Beauty Is Rare And Not Relative

[my life is trash]

I'm an electrician

You're also a self-pitying autist who is unable to see reality. There is a recent post in this very forum about a woman whose dream sex partner was a literal dog (dogpill) and there also are apparently women who are attracted to people like @Voyager1. Love is blind.

While I understand your unwillingness to continue debating when you are on the losing side, for the sake of other readers I will note that your have never addressed the basic issue that genes that are inherently unattractive to all women tend to get weeded out rapidly. Women do not have to settle for men that are truly genetically undesirable to all women. Women can all get pregnant from the supposedly "top" men specimens. But they don't. On the contrary, substandard women tend to fall in love with and get pregnant from substandard men. The women who mate with Voyager1 would be a fine example of this. These women weren't forced to settle for that wretched male specimen nor did they do it for money because he is poor. They were simply as pitiful examples of the female sex as Voyager1 is of the male sex and like attracts like. What do you think, @yick?

Quite right, Frank!

You see that a lot in the locality where I am from, below average people ending up mating and very successfully too - they look similar and have similar habits, interests and IQ - they're happy and if not - they end up with someone of a similar standing to replace/be replaced. I know a guy who has never had a job and takes drugs but has fathered over 20 children - all daughters - but none of the women concerned would be battling for Miss World or even a full time job. Of course, none of these women would be in the range for a 'chad' but then I think the idea of being with one would freak them out.

Saying that, most men wouldn't even think about going abroad to find a woman that is an improvement on what they can get at home because most men have no imagination and are like Homer Simpson and donuts, if a woman is there and somewhat available - they will go for that option than going abroad so the mediocrity continues unabated - for centuries that is how it has been but of course with cheaper air travel and far away places becoming more affordable - the world is in a better place for men who don't want to 'settle' but it is a tiny minority.

It's always "I know a guy who..." argument which is bullshit and idiots like you lie and make up someone. Frank is an old retard who literally has to pay females to give him company (sugar daddy) yet he calls other people an incel. If his genetics weren't such shit he wouldn't have to do that, just like Yick wouldn't have to travel to poor shithole countries for sex because his incel genetics were too low quality to get a woman in the UK. This forum is basically a bunch of old loser incels in denial. You wouldn't have to go abroad to the shittiest countries or be a "sugar daddy" (having to pay women to be near you because your old, ugly, and mentally retarded) if you weren't incels yourselves. Making up lies about people you know or saw doesn't count as a real argument you f***ing mug, but you boomer retards are too dumb to understand that.

I go to countries to work, something you have no idea of you utter bum.

Dad also called me worthless tonight because I don't have a job or a girlfriend or a car or my own place.

[yick]

You're also a self-pitying autist who is unable to see reality. There is a recent post in this very forum about a woman whose dream sex partner was a literal dog (dogpill) and there also are apparently women who are attracted to people like @Voyager1. Love is blind.

While I understand your unwillingness to continue debating when you are on the losing side, for the sake of other readers I will note that your have never addressed the basic issue that genes that are inherently unattractive to all women tend to get weeded out rapidly. Women do not have to settle for men that are truly genetically undesirable to all women. Women can all get pregnant from the supposedly "top" men specimens. But they don't. On the contrary, substandard women tend to fall in love with and get pregnant from substandard men. The women who mate with Voyager1 would be a fine example of this. These women weren't forced to settle for that wretched male specimen nor did they do it for money because he is poor. They were simply as pitiful examples of the female sex as Voyager1 is of the male sex and like attracts like. What do you think, @yick?

Quite right, Frank!

You see that a lot in the locality where I am from, below average people ending up mating and very successfully too - they look similar and have similar habits, interests and IQ - they're happy and if not - they end up with someone of a similar standing to replace/be replaced. I know a guy who has never had a job and takes drugs but has fathered over 20 children - all daughters - but none of the women concerned would be battling for Miss World or even a full time job. Of course, none of these women would be in the range for a 'chad' but then I think the idea of being with one would freak them out.

Saying that, most men wouldn't even think about going abroad to find a woman that is an improvement on what they can get at home because most men have no imagination and are like Homer Simpson and donuts, if a woman is there and somewhat available - they will go for that option than going abroad so the mediocrity continues unabated - for centuries that is how it has been but of course with cheaper air travel and far away places becoming more affordable - the world is in a better place for men who don't want to 'settle' but it is a tiny minority.

It's always "I know a guy who..." argument which is bullshit and idiots like you lie and make up someone. Frank is an old retard who literally has to pay females to give him company (sugar daddy) yet he calls other people an incel. If his genetics weren't such shit he wouldn't have to do that, just like Yick wouldn't have to travel to poor shithole countries for sex because his incel genetics were too low quality to get a woman in the UK. This forum is basically a bunch of old loser incels in denial. You wouldn't have to go abroad to the shittiest countries or be a "sugar daddy" (having to pay women to be near you because your old, ugly, and mentally retarded) if you weren't incels yourselves. Making up lies about people you know or saw doesn't count as a real argument you f***ing mug, but you boomer retards are too dumb to understand that.

I go to countries to work, something you have no idea of you utter bum.

Dad also called me worthless tonight because I don't have a job or a girlfriend or a car or my own place.

Dad is correct @Rock

[Voyager1]

You were there on a tourist visa and working illegally? Figures.

Nope, I was there on a one year business visa with no work permit. So yes, technically I was working illegally.

Screw Russia anyway

[rehman]

I'm an electrician

never addressed the basic issue that genes that are inherently unattractive to all women tend to get weeded out rapidly. Women do not have to settle for men that are truly genetically undesirable to all women. Women can all get pregnant from the supposedly "top" men specimens. But they don't. On the contrary, substandard women tend to fall in love with and get pregnant from substandard men

You do realise, women can hold those same unattractive genes? did that idea ever cross your little coping brain or not? That's why I didn't address it, I didn't need to.

"Women can all get pregnant from the supposedly "top" men specimens." No, they CANNOT. I already addresses this in my example earlier when I compared good genetics to gold. Are you a f***ing idiot? This is why I gave up responding to you,

You are coping incredibly hard because you are physically repulsive to women. Goodbye.

[MrMan]

Where do you guys draw the lines on standards?

It's funny how a universal truth like lookism/genetic determinism is so easily ignored in attempts to cope with ones lack of genetic quality.

This post which is 13 fuckn years old hits the nail on the head. This forum irom what I can tell is full of average/below average looking men who delude themselves and others into believing that women outside their country are somehow immune to judging men as the women in the western world do. All women are the same.

The more egalitarian/feminist a society becomes, the more transparent a woman becomes with her choice in men. Women in the west don't need a man to depend on financially, this means less leverage for men. If not resources, what do women look for? LOOKS. It has always been about looks. Your looks show other people your genetic quality. This is how we judge people, we are all guilty of this.

Travelling to East Asia, Eastern Europe, South America etc will not rid you of your ugly face or your short stature, Being white may help you if you are in some Asian or South American countries but you will have to adjust to a whole new culture. Don't become a walking ATM. No woman will truly love you if you have lost the game of genetics, a game none of us wanted to play. At best, an ugly man's fate will be being a beta bux, a financial provider to his wife who would leave him in a heartbeat. This is the fate of men.

Let me guess. You get your pessimistic outlook on looks and relationships from reading or listening to online material either from Incel or MGTOW perspectives, right?

It's not true, either. The US and some other countries have high divorce rates, but some of us have known good-looking women who stayed with husbands who were old, fat, short, or whatever. Women can also respect men who have accomplished a lot-- the accomplished author, salesman, scholar, athlete, even if he isn't good-looking. There is also masculinity. A muscular man with resolve, who is a leader of men, may not be very good-looking in the face might attract women due his masculinity. If a man put son a uniform, some women like that. I overheard a girl in high school saying a man who was sweaty and dirty in a white t-shirt and a pair of genes could look hot. There might have to be some baseline level of looking attractive.

Us men are attracted to different looks on women, too. I think Jennifer Lawrence is a 7+, better than average, but she has a pair-shaped face. I remember saying she's not that good-looking and guys on here said she was hot. Cindy Crawford, back in the 1980s and 90s was considered the top supermodel. But something about her wasn't attractive to me-- that masculine brow. The same thing with Christie Allie from Cheers. I think some guys thought Drew Berrymore was pretty. My brother-in-law (an Indonesian) saw her in a movie we were watching and he said she was so pretty. I didn't care for the Roman nose. I mentioned her looks to an American friend of mine. He said she's a 6. Yeah, probably, when she was young. I remember riding with an Indonesian driver through a toll. The girl on the other side of the toll was a bit stout and kind of plain from my perspective. The driver said to the other guy in the car how cute the girl was. She looked like a 5 to me.

I can remember this really dark cashier who was really beautiful in Indonesia before I could speak the language. I'd think she was an 8.5 or 9 for looks, but since she was dark, locals probably thought she was a 5. And there are Asian woman I think are beautiful, and another poster on this forum who doesn't like Asian girls would say she's a two. I am not generally attracted to subsaharan African features. I might be attracted to an Ethiopian or Sudanese model, but I remember from the time I was a child hearing two black men on TV talking about how some girl was good-looking, and I just didn't see it. But some guys on here like African women's looks. But I probably find a lot more bi-racial women pretty than I did when I was younger. I think my perception changed over time.

For Hollywood actresses, I think a young Audrey Hepburn was one of the prettiest Hollywood actresses. I think most men, or most white men would agree, but some men would consider her too boney.

A friend of mine was telling me about an article from Psychology Today that said people tend to be attracted to women like their mothers. He was talking about a colleague who he perceived was probably attractive to a kind of pudgy plain (IMO) medium-dark skinned employee of his. He figured the guys mom was fat. You could show him pictures and he might say the model-looking woman is prettier, but then a guy like this might go marry a fat woman like his mamma.

It probably works for women, too.

So cheer up. Go find the daughter of an ugly fat man and an ugly fat women, whose genes mixed just right to make a pretty daughter. Then she can see you, and maybe she will be attracted to you.

I don't even know if I should entertain this insanely massive cope reply. In the animal kingdom, we see animals select for good genetics all the time, humans aren't so different. You have ignored science to cope with the fact that your fate isn't in your hands.

I also find it hilarious that you people say I would rather think this way... I wish this WASN'T the case. I wish the blackpill was NOT true, I am someone who is more concerned with the truth, nothing more. Cope all you want with "masculinity", you will be shocked at how many women are choosing more feminine men now.

Your idea that looks are subjective were from examples from a MAN'S perspective, we are talking about what women find attractive, this whole forum is about women for f**k sake.. why the f**k are you talking about what men find attractive? dude, are you hearing yourself?

Do you have a point?

I spent many years in Indonesia. White guys can get more attention there. Maybe part of it is money. But part of it is they like light skin and 'pointy' noses.

I'm not a woman. I don't know the female experience from their perspective. But I know they can disagree over what men they find attractive or what traits, from hearing them occasionally discuss it, just like men do about women.

[MrMan]

Vin Diesel was bald when he came out with his first movies, wasn't he? If you are bald, shave your head and hit the gym.

Have none of you ever seen an ugly man with a woman? Do you think no ugly man has ever had consensual sex? Is this in line with your experience? Do no ugly men have children that look like them? Really?

Now, it might be harder to get a pretty girl if you are not so attractive. You could marry one that isn't so attractive and turn off the lights.

Also, there are orphanages for the blind in places like India. You could find a girl when she turns 18 or whatever and is aging out, set up an arranged marriage or dates, and get to know her. She won't see that you are ugly.

But if you don't shower and don't brush your teeth, she might smell you. But the smell of curry could cover __some__ of that up.

[rehman]

Vin Diesel was bald when he came out with his first movies, wasn't he? If you are bald, shave your head and hit the gym.

Have none of you ever seen an ugly man with a woman? Do you think no ugly man has ever had consensual sex? Is this in line with your experience? Do no ugly men have children that look like them? Really?

Now, it might be harder to get a pretty girl if you are not so attractive. You could marry one that isn't so attractive and turn off the lights.

Also, there are orphanages for the blind in places like India. You could find a girl when she turns 18 or whatever and is aging out, set up an arranged marriage or dates, and get to know her. She won't see that you are ugly.

But if you don't shower and don't brush your teeth, she might smell you. But the smell of curry could cover __some__ of that up.

women settle.
everyone settles.

people who drive toyotas don't actually want a toyota, but it better than no car after all.

[MrMan]

Vin Diesel was bald when he came out with his first movies, wasn't he? If you are bald, shave your head and hit the gym.

Have none of you ever seen an ugly man with a woman? Do you think no ugly man has ever had consensual sex? Is this in line with your experience? Do no ugly men have children that look like them? Really?

Now, it might be harder to get a pretty girl if you are not so attractive. You could marry one that isn't so attractive and turn off the lights.

Also, there are orphanages for the blind in places like India. You could find a girl when she turns 18 or whatever and is aging out, set up an arranged marriage or dates, and get to know her. She won't see that you are ugly.

But if you don't shower and don't brush your teeth, she might smell you. But the smell of curry could cover __some__ of that up.

women settle.
everyone settles.

people who drive toyotas don't actually want a toyota, but it better than no car after all.

My daughter really wanted a Toyota. I don't really care what brand of car I get if it is reliable and it fulfills the function and I don't have to keep taking it to the shop, and also value for the money. I'd rather drive a Toyota than a Ferrari so I can take people with me if I want to, and I don't have a two-person vehicle in the driveway. But if I were to win a new car, I'd take the Ferrari so I could sell it and get something else, probably after driving it a bit and taking a few pictures.