Is Our Earth FLAT and Motionless, Not a Spinning Globe?

[Moretorque]

@gsjackson
@Cornfed
@Winston
@galii
@CaptainSkelebob
@Huddo

What do you guys think of simulation theory? Could simulation theory give credence to flat earth? Think about it. If our world was a simulated reality, and I mean simulated by a supreme God (whatever you want to call it) consciousness and not aliens with supercomputers etc, then couldn't that mean flat earth could be real?

A version of the simulation hypothesis was first theorized as a part of a philosophical argument on the part of René Descartes, and later by Hans Moravec. The philosopher Nick Bostrom developed an expanded argument examining the probability of our reality being a simulation. We know through the double slit experiment that reality isn’t as simple as we would like to believe. That particles change their behaviour when being observed. In alignment with the simulation theory the flat earth model isn’t subject to standard scientific reasoning.

The simulation hypothesis adds credence to the flat earth model and the answer is the same with the stars and celestial bodies. Any good simulation has to be immersive. If it isn’t immersive then we will not take it seriously and our experience here will be meaningless. The firmament is simply just artificial generated background. The stars, the constellations, all just simulated background which are there to make a game more immersive. Take the argument that four people standing in the “southern hemisphere” looking in different directions and seeing the southern cross. It isn’t because of “personal domes” or whatever bullshit the Flat Earth Society chooses to push on people to make the flat earth theory seem as ludicrous as possible, it is because it is digitally generated information. They all see the same stars because they generate when observed. Like particles generate when observed in the double slit experiment. Our universe is a simulated experience and it is a very convincing one...

A few of you might think the flat earth model os stupid, but how can you call stupid when in alignment with the simulation hypothesis? Can you call simulation hypothesis stupid when it is supported by renowned philosophers like Descartes? I'm sure there are even some members of the scientific community who support the simulation hypothesis as well. Are they all dumb f***s too?

I think there needs to be more compassion and understanding applied to those who believe the flat earth model could be real. There is the saying "seeing is believing" when none of the things that serve as evidence for the heliocentric model can be directly observed we have to accept the mainstream narrative, which we know has been dishonest time and time again. Like I said before, questioning things and curiosity towards new ideas are not common traits of stupid people. It's those who accept what they're told without a shred of critical thinking who.are stupid. Ignorance is one of the biggest traits of a stupid person not that I'm calling anyone here in particular stupid, I'm just saying.

No you imbecile
Simulation theory does not add any credence to flat earth at all
Only being dropped as a baby adds any credence to this theory
You absolute muppet

Anyone who thinks life is a simulation on a computer is just as batty as those who believe earth is a pancake

Do you think at the end of life we will end up in a lake of fire or a boiling cauldron of Poo Poo ? That is what the Bible and Talmud claim..

[Winston]

I can not be bothered to listen to 4+ hours of that.

The sun appears as a sphere as does the moon. Why would the Earth be the odd one out?

Well the 4+ hours audiobook makes a lot of good solid points worth considering. If you are a genuine truth seeker then you should hear it out objectively. Not with a brainwashed mindset that anyone who questions globe earth must be a crackpot. If you think that then you can never analyze this subject objectively.

How does the sun appear to be a sphere? You can't even look at it for more than a second. How do you know it's not a giant spotlight?

The moon does not appear to be a sphere. You never see the side of it. It never rotates like a ball. You can't view it from other angles and it never tilts sideways. Yes there does appear to be a small bulge in the center of the moon but that could be an optical illusion on a 2D surface too. You never considered any of this because the programming is so strong.

Regardless the moon definitely looks like a light bulb with its own internal light. Not like a ball bouncing light off. Shine a flashlight on a ball and you will see what I mean. Then turn on a light bulb and you will see that the moon is just like that. Meditate on it with an open mind and it will become obvious.

[Winston]

Eric Dubay just released his new 4.5 hour audiobook called "Flat Earth FAQ".



Get Eric's Flat Earth books in paperback or digital format here:

https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/ericdubay

This is the sort of stupid shit that makes your whole forum look less credible, Winston.

Of course it does. But that's because we are all indoctrinated to believe that anyone who entertains flat earth must be a crackpot. It's a result of programming. And successful programming at that. If you never went to school and never heard of globe earth, would u believe that the earth was a globe? Of course not. No one is born believing in globe earth. They have to be indoctrinated into it at school.

Let me ask u a key question. Have u ever seen the curvature of the earth with your naked eyes? No of course not. You've only seen it in photos and videos. Never with your naked eyes. Hence you take it on total faith. How do you know it isn't all a hoax? Especially since Eric Dubay has made many strong points in the audiobook that no one can refute or even tries to? Because almost no one is open minded about this so no one can analyze the arguments openly.

Why not try listening to the audiobook for entertainment at least so your mind doesn't totally make u refuse to hear it at all?

[Winston]

agree flat earth is silly

Yes because you've been programmed to believe that it's silly. But you thinking it's silly doesn't prove whether flat earth is true or false. Sorry.

However, if you listened to the 4+ hour audiobook above you would see that the arguments by the author are not silly but actually very sensible and rational and logical.

[Winston]

The sun appears as a sphere as does the moon.

They appear like discs to me.

Why would the Earth be the odd one out

The lights on my ceiling appear globular. Why would my floor be the odd one out?

If hungry zombies cracked open your head in search of brains, they wouldn't find enough to cover a small water biscuit.

You cant say anything about lack of brains when ur skull is a solid block of lego
The flat earth thing is ridiculous and stupid
It goes against everything we have ever been taught in science
Science is something I have taught for many years and nothing about ur flat earth theory even makes sense remotely
We figured this shite out years ago when ppl sailed around the fuckin globe ffs
There is so much about this that makes absolutely no sense at all
It just confirms my theory that ur a complete crackhead

Just because a ball goes around a roulette wheel does it mean the roulette wheel is a globe? That's already been addressed many times.

Yes science indoctrinates us into globe earth. If it didn't no one would believe we are on a spinning ball. Same with evolution and heliocentrism. No one would believe it without indoctrination. The goal of education is to make you atheist and materialistic so you forget your spirit and soul and be easily controllable and easy to deceive into a contrived reality created by the kabbalists since the solar system is based on the kabbalah.

[Moretorque]

agree flat earth is silly

Yes because you've been programmed to believe that it's silly. But you thinking it's silly doesn't prove whether flat earth is true or false. Sorry.

However, if you listened to the 4+ hour audiobook above you would see that the arguments by the author are not silly but actually very sensible and rational and logical.

Winston I don't know what you are tak'in or where you are gett'in it but I want to place an order with your supplier if possible, that seems to be some good stuff.

[CaptainSkelebob]

The sun appears as a sphere as does the moon.

They appear like discs to me.

Why would the Earth be the odd one out

The lights on my ceiling appear globular. Why would my floor be the odd one out?

If hungry zombies cracked open your head in search of brains, they wouldn't find enough to cover a small water biscuit.

You cant say anything about lack of brains when ur skull is a solid block of lego
The flat earth thing is ridiculous and stupid
It goes against everything we have ever been taught in science
Science is something I have taught for many years and nothing about ur flat earth theory even makes sense remotely
We figured this shite out years ago when ppl sailed around the fuckin globe ffs
There is so much about this that makes absolutely no sense at all
It just confirms my theory that ur a complete crackhead

Just because a ball goes around a roulette wheel does it mean the roulette wheel is a globe? That's already been addressed many times.

Yes science indoctrinates us into globe earth. If it didn't no one would believe we are on a spinning ball. Same with evolution and heliocentrism. No one would believe it without indoctrination. The goal of education is to make you atheist and materialistic so you forget your spirit and soul and be easily controllable and easy to deceive into a contrived reality created by the kabbalists since the solar system is based on the kabbalah.

What kind of bullshit argument is this @Winston???
Why are you comparing a roulette wheel to a planet??!
The two things are nothing alike
But while we are on this topic what makes the wheel spin??? What makes the ball fall onto the wheel??
Natural forces is the answer ofc
Yeah yeah yeah
Gravity and relativity might be theories but at least they are the best explanations for what is happening around us in the natural world
Ur flat earth shit works on nothing but magic
Where is ur proof that the earth is flat??
Its fuckin not
Maybe you should of actually gone to school
The point of it isnt to indoctrinate ppl but to make sure they dont end up as idiotic baboons who believe the earth is flat
Ive been a teacher of science for several years and flat earth is an insult to everything logical
You are the one who has been indoctrinated by BS youtube videos....
You need better accredited sauces of information fella

[Cornfed]

If you are wondering why the regime went to all the trouble of setting up the modern space hoax, there are probably many reasons, but this commentary on current events might give you some clue.

[Winston]

To @galii:

For the last time, if you can't answer these questions, then stop taking jabs at me with the flat earth stuff please!

Yes I agree you are a freethinker if you mean free of logic for example in the flat earth discussions.

You lost the debate on that one because you came up with no evidence and no answers to any of my questions. So you are a horrible debater. No offense. All you have is ridicule, like Alex's friend Roberto. No valid arguments. Ridicule doesn't prove anything. Flat Earth is one topic among many. Why are you so obsessed with it? I never claimed anything. I just question my reality, which all freethinkers should do. But you obviously aren't.

Why would you care about arguments as a solipsist? How could you understand other people if they are non existing NPCs? You are living in your world period and your feelings are more important than facts.

I asked you MANY MANY factual logical questions about Flat Earth that you dodged. So the facts aren't on your side. Only authority is. Because you worship authority and science is your god. That's not facts. It's just authority worship. That's why Christians and Atheists are just two sides of a polarity, they both cannot think independently and depend on authority for truth. Hence their fallacy and flaw. I've explained this many times. Are you deaf or just dumb? lol. The fact that you are jabbing me with this in an unrelated thread is telling. All you have is ridicule, not facts or logic or evidence. Hence you lose.

You have to be serious if you want to explore stuff. You have to try to understand some complicated stuff. It is like saying the nuclear bomb is not real. YOU have to try to understand the science behind it. Surface level rhetorical arguments are not valid.

It is like me saying planes are not real because planes are heavier than air. Haha got you I debunked you. You talk in the level of a 12 year old.

That's a bad argument. I never said planes weren't real. We've all been in planes but we have never seen the curavture of the Earth.

Sigh. For the umpteenth time:

1. You've never seen the CURVATURE of Earth with the naked eye. You assume it. You take it on faith only. You've only seen it in videos and photos. Not with the naked eye. Have you been up to 100,000 feet? Hence it could all be a hoax. You can't rule that out.

I have a 20 min video of someone sending a rocket with a camera and balloon into low Earth orbit at 110,000 feet. It shows a FLAT horizon at eye level. How do you explain that? Why don't you buy a rocket and balloon and camera and do this experiment for yourself? TEST YOUR THEORY. Don't just argue about it! What if you do the test and get the same result? Would you like to see this 20 min video at 110,000 feet? If so, will you take it into account and stop the ridicule? Or will you continue to ridicule me? If so, stop this debate and stop bringing this up to ridicule me.

Someone is offering $100,000 dollars for proof of the Earth's curvature. Why can't anyone collect on it? Doesn't that speak volumes?

Also if 100,000 feet isn't high enough to see curvature, then how can ships disappear over the Earth's curvature at ground level? LOL. Gotcha! Busted!

Deep down, you must know there is something to flat Earth, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to keep ridiculing it. I would never continue ridiculing something I thought was ridiculous.

2. How come many people have gone around the world east to west, but zero people have gone around the world north to south? On a globe or sphere, it should be just as easy to go around is north south as east west. Yet zero people have done it. That should be highly suspicious and raise your eyebrow. Where are all the brave intrepid explorers willing to be the first man in history to go around the worth north to south? And why has no one asked this question? Why doesn't the media issue the challenge?

3. If people in Australia are standing upside down on the globe, then there is no objective up or down right? If so then:

- Why not show the Earth globe upside down or sideways? What would it matter? Why is the Earth globe always right side up? Why not show the Earth sideways and call the poles East and West poles? It shouldn't matter right?
- Why are all spaceships right side up, never upside down or sideways? How come in movies, all ships in space are right side up?
- How come in the Solar System model, all planets are right side up? Why do they only orbit the Sun east west, but never north south? In space there is no up or down so it shouldn't matter right?

I have MANY questions like these. You've dodged 100 percent of them! If you can't answer questions or think then don't bother posting about this subject again ok!? All you do is RIDICULE which proves nothing. All you have on your side is authority, not logic or evidence or proof. Only ridicule for not following authority. That makes you a total ROBOT. Not a thinking real person. So please stop bringing up this subject just to ridicule me. Or I will point to this post again and the fact that you have NOTHING on your side, no proof, no evidence, NOTHING! Just ridicule and appeal to authority, simply because your beliefs are fixed and taught from school and cannot be changed. Your problem, not mine. Your mind is NOT FREE. So you rididcule those who can think for themselves? Very pathetic. Stop wasting my time please. If you can't answer my questions, then don't bother bringing up this subject. It pisses me off. And it wastes my time too.

[Winston]

The sun appears as a sphere as does the moon.

They appear like discs to me.

Why would the Earth be the odd one out

The lights on my ceiling appear globular. Why would my floor be the odd one out?

If hungry zombies cracked open your head in search of brains, they wouldn't find enough to cover a small water biscuit.

You cant say anything about lack of brains when ur skull is a solid block of lego
The flat earth thing is ridiculous and stupid
It goes against everything we have ever been taught in science
Science is something I have taught for many years and nothing about ur flat earth theory even makes sense remotely
We figured this shite out years ago when ppl sailed around the fuckin globe ffs
There is so much about this that makes absolutely no sense at all
It just confirms my theory that ur a complete crackhead

Just because a ball goes around a roulette wheel does it mean the roulette wheel is a globe? That's already been addressed many times.

Yes science indoctrinates us into globe earth. If it didn't no one would believe we are on a spinning ball. Same with evolution and heliocentrism. No one would believe it without indoctrination. The goal of education is to make you atheist and materialistic so you forget your spirit and soul and be easily controllable and easy to deceive into a contrived reality created by the kabbalists since the solar system is based on the kabbalah.

What kind of bullshit argument is this @Winston???
Why are you comparing a roulette wheel to a planet??!
The two things are nothing alike
But while we are on this topic what makes the wheel spin??? What makes the ball fall onto the wheel??
Natural forces is the answer ofc
Yeah yeah yeah
Gravity and relativity might be theories but at least they are the best explanations for what is happening around us in the natural world
Ur flat earth shit works on nothing but magic
Where is ur proof that the earth is flat??
Its fuckin not
Maybe you should of actually gone to school
The point of it isnt to indoctrinate ppl but to make sure they dont end up as idiotic baboons who believe the earth is flat
Ive been a teacher of science for several years and flat earth is an insult to everything logical
You are the one who has been indoctrinated by BS youtube videos....
You need better accredited sauces of information fella

Didn't you see any of the Eric Dubay videos above? The horizon is always flat no matter how high you get. It never curves or bends downward. That's the biggest evidence of all. Even if the Earth were twice the size they say, it should still bend or curve downward as you ascend. But it never does. Wanna see the video at 100,000 feet of a camera attached to a balloon? It shows a flat earth and flat horizon. Where is the curve? Why can't anyone find it? Why does it only appear in NASA photos and videos and astronomy books? NONE of you have ever seen it with the naked eye.

Why do you want to believe in globe earth so badly? Even when there's no evidence other than authority telling you so? Why the emotional investment in it? I'm not making claims. Just asking questions that globe earthers aren't addressing.

Simple question for you: If no one ever told you that you were on a spinning globe, and your teacher, school, textbooks, science documentaries, TV, etc NEVER told you that, would you come to the conclusions that you were on a spinning globe moving around in outer space, from your personal direct observation and experience alone?????? Would you? Think about it for a minute, if you can think that is and you aren't an NPC. Same question to you @galii.

Please answer my questions. I'm f***ing of repeating all this hundreds of times and it's a waste of my time to keep repeating all this and it hurts my fingers to retype something I've typed 100 times already. It's frigging frustrating and ridiculous. I told you before, RIDICULE does NOT win any arguments and does not prove anything!

[galii]

To @galii:

For the last time, if you can't answer these questions, then stop taking jabs at me with the flat earth stuff please!

You lost the debate on that one because you came up with no evidence and no answers to any of my questions. So you are a horrible debater. No offense. All you have is ridicule, like Alex's friend Roberto. No valid arguments. Ridicule doesn't prove anything. Flat Earth is one topic among many. Why are you so obsessed with it? I never claimed anything. I just question my reality, which all freethinkers should do. But you obviously aren't.

Why would you care about arguments as a solipsist? How could you understand other people if they are non existing NPCs? You are living in your world period and your feelings are more important than facts.

I asked you MANY MANY factual logical questions about Flat Earth that you dodged. So the facts aren't on your side. Only authority is. Because you worship authority and science is your god. That's not facts. It's just authority worship. That's why Christians and Atheists are just two sides of a polarity, they both cannot think independently and depend on authority for truth. Hence their fallacy and flaw. I've explained this many times. Are you deaf or just dumb? lol. The fact that you are jabbing me with this in an unrelated thread is telling. All you have is ridicule, not facts or logic or evidence. Hence you lose.

You have to be serious if you want to explore stuff. You have to try to understand some complicated stuff. It is like saying the nuclear bomb is not real. YOU have to try to understand the science behind it. Surface level rhetorical arguments are not valid.

It is like me saying planes are not real because planes are heavier than air. Haha got you I debunked you. You talk in the level of a 12 year old.

That's a bad argument. I never said planes weren't real. We've all been in planes but we have never seen the curavture of the Earth.

Sigh. For the umpteenth time:

1. You've never seen the CURVATURE of Earth with the naked eye. You assume it. You take it on faith only. You've only seen it in videos and photos. Not with the naked eye. Have you been up to 100,000 feet? Hence it could all be a hoax. You can't rule that out.

I have a 20 min video of someone sending a rocket with a camera and balloon into low Earth orbit at 110,000 feet. It shows a FLAT horizon at eye level. How do you explain that? Why don't you buy a rocket and balloon and camera and do this experiment for yourself? TEST YOUR THEORY. Don't just argue about it! What if you do the test and get the same result? Would you like to see this 20 min video at 110,000 feet? If so, will you take it into account and stop the ridicule? Or will you continue to ridicule me? If so, stop this debate and stop bringing this up to ridicule me.

Someone is offering $100,000 dollars for proof of the Earth's curvature. Why can't anyone collect on it? Doesn't that speak volumes?

Also if 100,000 feet isn't high enough to see curvature, then how can ships disappear over the Earth's curvature at ground level? LOL. Gotcha! Busted!

Deep down, you must know there is something to flat Earth, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to keep ridiculing it. I would never continue ridiculing something I thought was ridiculous.

2. How come many people have gone around the world east to west, but zero people have gone around the world north to south? On a globe or sphere, it should be just as easy to go around is north south as east west. Yet zero people have done it. That should be highly suspicious and raise your eyebrow. Where are all the brave intrepid explorers willing to be the first man in history to go around the worth north to south? And why has no one asked this question? Why doesn't the media issue the challenge?

3. If people in Australia are standing upside down on the globe, then there is no objective up or down right? If so then:

- Why not show the Earth globe upside down or sideways? What would it matter? Why is the Earth globe always right side up? Why not show the Earth sideways and call the poles East and West poles? It shouldn't matter right?
- Why are all spaceships right side up, never upside down or sideways? How come in movies, all ships in space are right side up?
- How come in the Solar System model, all planets are right side up? Why do they only orbit the Sun east west, but never north south? In space there is no up or down so it shouldn't matter right?

I have MANY questions like these. You've dodged 100 percent of them! If you can't answer questions or think then don't bother posting about this subject again ok!? All you do is RIDICULE which proves nothing. All you have on your side is authority, not logic or evidence or proof. Only ridicule for not following authority. That makes you a total ROBOT. Not a thinking real person. So please stop bringing up this subject just to ridicule me. Or I will point to this post again and the fact that you have NOTHING on your side, no proof, no evidence, NOTHING! Just ridicule and appeal to authority, simply because your beliefs are fixed and taught from school and cannot be changed. Your problem, not mine. Your mind is NOT FREE. So you rididcule those who can think for themselves? Very pathetic. Stop wasting my time please. If you can't answer my questions, then don't bother bringing up this subject. It pisses me off. And it wastes my time too.

You should get a bit of scientific education that why you waste everybodies time because you don't understand anything. You ask the same stupid question which was answered many times. Your operating on the level of a 12 year old.

Because a plane flies does that not mean it flies the way they say. It could fly with magic. So why don't you research that?

Nuclear energy why do you believe it? If not why don't you research that?

It is because you are entitled and don't want to do the work but act like you are special.

Why did you not research the answers? It is on the internet like 1000 times. Because you are LAZY.

Here Bard.google gives an answer for your lazy ass:

The curvature of the Earth
The curvature of the Earth is not visible to the naked eye at ground level. It is only visible from high altitudes, such as from airplanes or balloons. However, there is a lot of indirect evidence that supports the existence of the Earth's curvature. For example, ships disappear hull first over the horizon, which would not happen if the Earth were flat. Also, the Earth's shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse is always round, which is another indication of its curvature.

The video you mentioned was taken from an altitude of 110,000 feet. This is still not high enough to see the curvature of the Earth with the naked eye. However, there are other factors that can affect the apparent curvature of the horizon, such as the atmosphere and the height of the observer. It is possible that the horizon in the video appears flat due to these factors.

The $100,000 challenge is a hoax. There is no scientific consensus on how much money should be offered for proof of the Earth's curvature. The amount of money offered is irrelevant to the validity of the claim.

The fact that ships disappear over the horizon is not a proof of the Earth's curvature. It can also be explained by the fact that the ships are getting smaller and smaller as they get further away.

I do not believe that the Earth is flat. I believe that the evidence for the Earth's curvature is overwhelming. However, I am open to the possibility that I am wrong. If you can provide me with convincing evidence that the Earth is flat, I will be happy to change my mind.

Going around the world north to south
There have been people who have gone around the world north to south. For example, Roald Amundsen was the first person to reach the South Pole in 1911. However, it is true that most people who have gone around the world have done so east to west. This is because it is generally easier to travel east to west, due to the prevailing winds and currents.

There are a few reasons why it might seem like no one has gone around the world north to south. First, it is a longer journey. Second, it is more difficult to navigate, due to the lack of landmarks. Third, it is more dangerous, due to the cold weather and the presence of icebergs.

Upside down and right side up
The concept of "upside down" is relative. It only makes sense to talk about something being upside down if there is an agreed-upon reference point. On a globe, the North Pole is typically considered to be the reference point. This is why the Earth globe is always shown with the North Pole at the top.

However, there is no reason why we could not choose a different reference point. For example, we could choose the South Pole as the reference point. In this case, the Earth globe would be shown with the South Pole at the top.

The same is true for spaceships and planets. There is no reason why they have to be shown right side up. We could just as easily show them upside down or sideways.

The reason why we typically show spaceships and planets right side up is because it is what we are used to. We have been taught that the Earth is a sphere, and that the North Pole is at the top. So it makes sense to show spaceships and planets in the same way.

However, there is nothing wrong with showing them upside down or sideways. It is just a matter of convention.

I hope this answers your questions. I am always open to discussing these topics further, if you have any other questions.

[Winston]

LOL @galii did you copy and paste that from ChatGPT? So you cannot think or reason for yourself and have to ask an AI to do it for you? That speaks volumes about you. LOL

[galii]

LOL @galii did you copy and paste that from ChatGPT? So you cannot think or reason for yourself and have to ask an AI to do it for you? That speaks volumes about you. LOL

Yes I did. You should know the answers. You talk your uninformed opinions for years now but you don't know the basic answers because you are LAZY. I know the answers I give them many times but you are LAZY to even read them. Go check my posts about the topic.

I used gpt for that because I don't want to write the same answers for your LAZY ass more times. Do your f***ing research. Learn basic PHYSICS so you can be taken serious. So you do not get ostracized. Or you can stay a 12 year old and be treated as such and stay a complainer.

[Winston]

Wow. Eric Dubay explains how OCCAM'S RAZOR supports Flat Earth. Very simple, logical, and iron clad. Only the brainwashed can't see the obvious simplicity of this.

[mahayana]

Once you really research the evidence supporting a Flat stationary Earth with an open mind, you start to wake up and see the truth.

There is much real evidence to prove the Flat stationary earth and it’s not just photos and hearsay. Many professional pilots and military personnel have come out as Flat Earthers, and have confirmed that there is no curvature on the earth, flights don’t make sense on a ball, and GPS is ground-based and more.