Is a man who has intercourse with a ladyboy homosexual or bisexual or can he still claim he's "straight"?

[Outcast9428]

If you're holding a gun to my head, then yes, I'll opt for the threesome because I would find it less difficult, on a physical level, to go through. Morals wise, however, I think its better for a guy to sleep with ladyboys.

It was only a little over a month ago that I was single, I didn't forget what its like to be single that quickly . Still, when I was single, I had no desire to do that. Why would I want two girls in my bed? I presumably would already have my hands full (quite literally) with one. You might as well have asked me if I would find it irresistibly tempting to play two different video games at the same time.

If mankind is a bunch of animals, and in a sense we are, to mate with a drugged up faggot surgically altered to resemble a female of our species would be senseless, whereas mating with two attractive, young fertile females would be a wise decision from a genetic point of view. To bone a tranny cannot result in pregnancy, so the "best" thing you'd get out of the ordeal is, perhaps, dodging an STD if you're lucky. Having sex with two women, while not necessarily "good for society" or moral, would benefit a man personally as he could potentially spread his genes through them. Either way he'd feel an ego boost after the act regardless of the outcome of coitus because he just laid with two attractive women, as opposed to a disgusting tranny with a lopped of dong and sillicone breastesses.

Now, sure, we can debate the morality of things. And in a sense I'm "with you" on this because sleeping around willy-nilly with random hoes and sluts may feel, temporarily, like one is "living it up" but much like drinking too much booze, after the debauchery comes the inevitable hangover. That "post nut clarity" where you sort of, go over your own actions of the night prior and ask yourself... "Why?" And just like with booze, even though we swear to never partake in such debauchery ever again, chances are, we will. Because as the Bible says: "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak". I own up, to my weak flesh. Willing spirit, yes, but weak flesh all the same. At least my weakness doesn't spread AIDS and doesn't feed into the ridiculous delusion that a man could ever "become" a woman. He cannot... and he will not trick me. And the very act to try and go against nature in such a depraved way is for fags and their demented doctors to play God. Which I feel they shouldn't do.

At the same time, I know people I'm quite fond of who have been tricked by these creatures. Lured in by their siren calls. I have, for instance, tremendous respect for @publicduende and I am also quite fond of @Lucas88 as a poster, whereas both of them have fallen for this siren call a few times, stopping short, I believe, of full intercourse. Then there's @WanderingProtagonist who, earlier this thread, bemoaned being left out of the discussion... he, too, heard that siren call of the tranny but he was able to resist it and not lay hands on these chemically altered petite homosexuals. For that, I commend him and tip my imaginary hat to him. I don't like to normalize or even really accept trannies and ladyboys because, in my opinion, a man is a man and a woman a woman. And never the twain shall "switch". It's an abomination in my view... but an abomination capable of morphing into outwardly attractive shapes and forms capable of fooling certain men.

I wouldn’t say I’m really accepting them… By the left’s standards, they’d think I am seriously homophobic. I can’t stand having all the gay characters on TV and I wish they wouldn’t show any gay sex scenes… Not in normal TV shows. I also agree that school children should not be taught any gay stuff, at all. A truly gay person will figure it out on their own but I think society absolutely should be “heteronormative.”

When it comes to people having sex with ladyboys though, I guess I just shrug my shoulders. It’s a very low priority for me. I think people transitioning is stupid as f**k and it should be illegal for anyone under 18 to transition or go on puberty blockers but if someone does transition, they made their bed and are lying in it I suppose.

[CaptainSkelebob]

Ppl who dont find the ladyboys I posted attractive must be gay. They look like women and they have pussys
Some of them are hot and it cant be denied by a straight man who is attracted to women!!
So no @Lucas88 it wouldntmake you gay to get sucked off by a hot ladyboy
Even if she had a cock!!!!
To all you other fellas here sayin stuff like fuckin a surgical wound that is bollocks....
Ur all in denile
Its a p***y!!!
A p***y attached to a gorgeous voluptuous woman
Who gives a f**k if she was a man before shes a hot piece of ass now
How is it even a bit gay if ur attracted to women and you f**k a hot woman???

[MrMan]

How could that be polyandry if no woman is involved?

It could be translated as "And with another man, do not lie with a woman, for it is abomination".

If you have been reading LGBT propaganda against the Bible, they are notorious for making junk up about Hebrew that isn't true. There is no 'another man' in the verse. Maybe a look at this interlinear will clear it up for you a little. I'm assuming that you don't read Hebrew.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/leviticus/18-22.htm

I'm wondering if you have some sort of motivation, now, to be soft on homosexual sex for some reason.

[MrMan]

Ppl who dont find the ladyboys I posted attractive must be gay. They look like women and they have pussys
Some of them are hot and it cant be denied by a straight man who is attracted to women!!

Some of them were a bit odd looking.

Those who look like women are grosser. I don't sleep around, so I'm not going to experience the horror story of finding out someone I slept with was a biological male. But if I had to get tied down and raped against my will, I'd much rather it be one of those hefty actual female 3s or 4s that Lucas88 might be attracted to than a biological man who looks like a woman.

Just think about it. You are getting all those male pheremones rubbed all over you, getting you accustomed to gay sex. If you aren't gay or bi... why would you want that?

To all you other fellas here sayin stuff like fuckin a surgical wound that is bollocks....

That's reality. It might be a work of art, but it is what it is. You are the one who is in that river in Egypt.

[Cornfed]

If you have been reading LGBT propaganda against the Bible, they are notorious for making junk up about Hebrew that isn't true.

A non-LGBT Hebrew speaker said it could be translated either way.

[WanderingProtagonist]

Its baffling I never get mentioned in threads anymore, maybe I'm old news these days. But this is a topic you'd swear the Wandering Protagonist would have gotten mentioned at least once. Heh.

I do recall you telling me before how you used to talk quite a bit with trannies and ladyboys. You said you felt extremely lonely and miserable in those days and reached out to them in desperation, you had some good conversations with them and found them to be quite friendly, and interesting. You also said that you never actually made out with any of them, had sexual intercourse with any of them, or even did anything sexual or romantic whatsoever. Still, if I remember it correctly, some people gave you some shit over this. Personally, the way you explained it, you were just at a bad point in your life. You considered doing something with them, perhaps, but thought better of it and never fornicated with a tranny. As a result, I saw little point in mentioning you specifically. I didn't want to bring it up or open you up to criticism.

Now that you're here, however, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter at hand. You talked quite a bit with trannies back in the day, maybe you came close to "doing stuff" but for whatever reason, you didn't. Does it mean that the notion of actually doing stuff with them repulsed you, or what? Would you, or could you, have gone through with it? By all means, weigh in, man.

This would be a whole lot to respond to, but I only spoke to them and had conversations with them mainly from the Philippines and Latin America since the ones from America at least if they weren't involved with pornography were just flat out ugly, some still had facial hair, or they just looked horrific in the face and body wise so I avoided the Western ones. Aside from that no I didn't have sex with any of them but the truth remains they are way more capable of loyalty than actual women are for the most part if you can make something work. This is because women will always stray if she feels something "better" came along where these trans know that most people desire them for sexual reasons and it's a lot harder for them to find someone willing to commit since some of these guys will have sex with one for the experience because these people are viewed as exotic and can provide better sexual experiences than women can at least what I've been told.

So men will go to them, after the experience is over they ditch the trans and go back to women. This feeling leave most trans people depressed and emotionally distorted because they hate being seen as a sexual experience aside from the ones that have their little Onlyfans and shit that will gladly fulfill some mans desire without a commitment involved. To be fair I just wanted a relationship where I wouldn't end up insecure about someone plotting to leave me. Women are a lot harder to trust than ladyboys are, plus they are more likely to do a lot of things women won't even do so that's another reason why they get attention from men. I understand how some people few them as disgusting people, and while I hardly recognize them at all. I've done a lot of things in my life out of desperation.

I only gave up pursing anyone because everyone I met lived in some other country I could never travel to. At least from my understanding with these people they will at least give a guy a chance including the ones that can easily rival women in looks and appearance. When I met attractive women on any social media site, my chances of building a relationship with them were always slim to none since these women receive enough attention as it is from thousands of men every damn day. The trans ones on the other hand will get a lot of attention too but at the same time they will still give a man a shot at them if he's serious compared to all the shit he has to go through to get an actual attractive woman, and one that won't stray. Most men will claim they are still heterosexual when they pursue trans people, but I think it's best to just be honest about it and admit that you are homosexual/bi-sexual vs lying and claiming to be heterosexual. I hear people say all the time people who are gay are attracted to masculinity, this is FALSE.
Most gay men aren't masculine at all, and the femboy types look like effeminate women. I'm sure everyone know what those Kpop guys look like, and they aren't masculine but most gay guys look exactly like they do, hyper feminine and I would assume that a woman with lesbian tendencies might be attracted to those kind of males since they all look like tomboys but just effeminate as hell. There are women who also have masculine traits, that's why the term stud dyke exist and even if they aren't a dyke/lesbian. Some women still have masculine traits that some men are attracted to but doesn't necessarily want a man at all, just a masculine woman because he find female aggression and control sexy perhaps.

I doubt those women that box or do MMA are married or dating men weaker than themselves yet her masculinity of being able to dominate other women and beat on them doesn't cause men who can do the same to other men to be put off by her female masculinity either. Trans people are attractive to most men because of the Exotic nature they carry of having the ability to be both genders and have high levels of sexual energy compared to actual women. The ones that never removed their dicks and can still get erections are heavily sought after vs the ones that decided to go Post-Op and cut it off. Those are the trans people that have the hardest time finding someone because a lot of men want a trans with a functioning dick regardless if he wants to be smashed by it

As for me, I just wanted to fill in the void in my empty life.
I struggle with trusting women and porn, tiktok, cellphone culture,
onlyfans, etc only made it ten times harder to trust them now that they have access to so many different men.
At least with trans people I got to experience what it's like to have people who are afraid of losing me for a change.
Women rarely ever get worried if a man is going to leave them for someone else unless he's truly someone she believe is top level special in some way to get worried about him leaving out of her life because they know they'll just easily find another man. For men this isn't that easy when they lost a woman and have to start over again. But I've seen the fear in these trans people
eyes when they believe a man is going to ditch them for someone else, or if he's talking to others they get extremely nervous,
and overprotective because they don't want to be single again or alone especially if they become attached to you and most of them
I've met didn't stick around for very long, they became flaky after awhile or just disappeared.

[publicduende]

The number of post-op ladyboys in the Philippines is extremely low. I don't have the stats at hand but I can imagine why it's maybe less than 10% than Thailand. A few points based on experience and my own conclusions.

1. Ladyboys in the Philippines tend to hail from the lower strata of society. I already exposed my theory of why this happens (high level of estrogens contained in the pork meat bought from local markets or direct from farmers). Therefore, they tend to be poor and unable to afford Hormone Replacement Therapy, let alone sex change surgery. Bar a few exceptions (e.g. the occasional comedian celebrity, like Vice Ganda), ladyboys and trans also tend to land in a relatively low socio-economic bracket: they take jobs as hairdressers or make-up artists, maybe call centers or other service jobs if they're lucky. This means they will be unlikely to afford sex change surgery even later in life, when they have some savings of their own.
2. Due to moral stigmas as well as a lack of professional training, very few surgeon urologists in the Philippines have the inclination and skills to perform sex change surgery. These kinds of surgeries are much more common in Thailand, and probably even cheaper once a decent surgeon and clinic are found.
3. When I spoke to the few ladyboys I met, they all told me that they were OK having a penis and they feared the consequences of a traumatic surgery, such as sex change. Two of them even, the hot ones on HRT, said they considered themselves "perfect" as they were and wanted to be accepted as they were. I wouldn't say their were being arrogant, just confident about their looks (and who could blame them!) and their affirmation.
4. The only post-op ladyboy I met was super cute but quite deluded. She was the only one who didn't want to admit she was a ladyboy, perhaps because she thought she could fool anyone with her pretty face and her bushy fake vagina. I recognised him immediately and tried to calm her down, telling her she was welcome and had nothing to fear. We ended up having a nice night in the small condo I had rented in Manila for the night (I was still living in Davao at the time). We kissed and touched and she gave me one of the best BJs ever. She told me I was "very handsome" and she fell for me. Even though we met through Tinder, I didn't have any reason to think she was a prostitute or a sugar babe. No money was exchanged, just some time and a bit of passion. She wanted to meet me again but I told her I didn't live in Manila and didn't know when I would be back in Manila (which was true).

[publicduende]

It is true, a ladyboy or any other sort of tranny has little chance of ever finding true love and commitment with a man. Like you said, virtually all men willing to fool around with them will regard them as little more than just a curiosity, a "flavor of the month", a once in a lifetime experience they'll shamefully hide away from the world. A man will not claim a ladyboy as "his woman", won't flaunt her on social media, won't show the ladyboy off or walk around proudly in public in broad daylight. So this creature, no longer a man, often missing vital parts or the functionality of them, and not quite a woman either, lives a rather pitiful existence.

I've known a ladyboy/bakla in Manila who looked rather nice at first glance, although upon close inspection, her hands were a little too large, wrists too thick and shoulders too wide. Had a good job too and everything, the works. This "lady" dated some high quality men, a famous chef, a successful Filipino basketball player, and the chief of security of a major politician who shall remain unnamed for obvious reasons. And yes, she had the pictures to prove it. All of these men she dated, however, they were on the "down-low". It was all very hush-hush. Secret little rendezvous in hotels or privately owned condos, sneaking in and out the backdoor at ungodly hours to have her "backdoor" used by men who never in a million years would post a status update on Facebook saying: "This is my girl".

Those men had wives, girlfriends, families. Those still single would eventually marry a biological woman and have children by her. The ladyboy would just, fade out. These creatures, it has to be said, do not age well. The hormones f**k up their bodies, the many years of estrogen injections cause brittle bones and all sorts of serious health issues further down the line. Don't expect a ladyboy to live healthily into her eighties... sixties is pushing it, for most. Suicide rates are through the roof. They're just a curiosity. They know they're just a curiosity. Even the "beautiful" ones do not get claimed, nine out of ten times. And the men that do, they better prepare to have people snicker behind their backs for the entirety of the relationship, whether it be in Asia or abroad. It's a no-go area, really.

And then there are the desperate men. The men who couldn't quite make it in life, in love. Perhaps they do not know their own value as a man, so they opt to go for a tranny instead of an actual woman with a womb, ovaries and titties given to her by Mother Nature instead of monthly injections that'll enlarge her veins, weaken her bones and slowly kill her because her very existence is an affront to God. The desperate man may marry the ladyboy. Take her to whatever Western land he hails from, and, provided gay marriage is legal there... marry the poor creature. Peace at last, for the ladyboy. The type of peace that requires quite a bit of cognitive dissonance. The laughing continues. The silent gossip does, too. It never ends. There are no winners in these types of situations.

What you just said is true, and sadly true. It is hard for ladyboys to be liked and loved as who they are. They might attract some passing interest, maybe a lot of it from a lot of men, but I dare even 5% of those men to hang out with them in public, hand in hand, proudly telling everybody that they are committed to their ladyboy girlfriend or fiancee. I actually know one man, a former colleague, who developed a penchant for ladyboys since his first trip to the Philippines (I advise him to, after his divorce - and he has 4 kids by the way). I suspect he is a massive closet gay but never told him straight-faced as we're not so intimate.

As you call them, they're "ephemeral creatures" who try to live in the present, hoping to grab whatever crumble of affection, passion and love they can catch. Also true that they won't age well. Their HRT later in life will cause them all sorts of conditions, whatever freshness they had in the past a but a pale memory.

Also true that sometimes it's the most desperate old men who marry ladyboy. There was a video I watched on YT, about a man who actually married a ladyboy not even knowing she was one. She had fended off his sexual advances on the basis of "virtue", that she would only do it after marriage. On wedding night, she let him fumble around, leaving him clueless as to "what was down there"...

Ironically, what the poor man complain about was not the lack of sex, but the fact she would drag her "best friend" wherever she went, even let her sit next to her and hubby during the wedding ceremony.

As usual in the Philippines, it's an "eat or be eaten" world. Either one smartens up and avoids these kinds of scams squarely, perhaps taking advantage of people's extreme gullibility and playing a few scams of their own, or they will succumb, lose time, money, life energy like there's no tomorrow.

[MrMan]

If you have been reading LGBT propaganda against the Bible, they are notorious for making junk up about Hebrew that isn't true.

A non-LGBT Hebrew speaker said it could be translated either way.

Modern Hebrew speaker? Was he rather left wing? The language is not the same.

If that is the case, I would expect LGBT apologists to jump all over that. I haven't seen that.

I studied a bit of Hebrew in college, but wouldn't say I really know Hebrew. But I am just seeing one man in the verse, and the passage is written as if the reader/hearer is male, as scripture generally is.

[WanderingProtagonist]

This would be a whole lot to respond to, but I only spoke to them and had conversations with them mainly from the Philippines and Latin America since the ones from America at least if they weren't involved with pornography were just flat out ugly, some still had facial hair, or they just looked horrific in the face and body wise so I avoided the Western ones. Aside from that no I didn't have sex with any of them but the truth remains they are way more capable of loyalty than actual women are for the most part if you can make something work. This is because women will always stray if she feels something "better" came along where these trans know that most people desire them for sexual reasons and it's a lot harder for them to find someone willing to commit since some of these guys will have sex with one for the experience because these people are viewed as exotic and can provide better sexual experiences than women can at least what I've been told.

So men will go to them, after the experience is over they ditch the trans and go back to women. This feeling leave most trans people depressed and emotionally distorted because they hate being seen as a sexual experience aside from the ones that have their little Onlyfans and shit that will gladly fulfill some mans desire without a commitment involved. To be fair I just wanted a relationship where I wouldn't end up insecure about someone plotting to leave me. Women are a lot harder to trust than ladyboys are, plus they are more likely to do a lot of things women won't even do so that's another reason why they get attention from men. I understand how some people few them as disgusting people, and while I hardly recognize them at all. I've done a lot of things in my life out of desperation.

I only gave up pursing anyone because everyone I met lived in some other country I could never travel to. At least from my understanding with these people they will at least give a guy a chance including the ones that can easily rival women in looks and appearance. When I met attractive women on any social media site, my chances of building a relationship with them were always slim to none since these women receive enough attention as it is from thousands of men every damn day. The trans ones on the other hand will get a lot of attention too but at the same time they will still give a man a shot at them if he's serious compared to all the shit he has to go through to get an actual attractive woman, and one that won't stray. Most men will claim they are still heterosexual when they pursue trans people, but I think it's best to just be honest about it and admit that you are homosexual/bi-sexual vs lying and claiming to be heterosexual. I hear people say all the time people who are gay are attracted to masculinity, this is FALSE.
Most gay men aren't masculine at all, and the femboy types look like effeminate women. I'm sure everyone know what those Kpop guys look like, and they aren't masculine but most gay guys look exactly like they do, hyper feminine and I would assume that a woman with lesbian tendencies might be attracted to those kind of males since they all look like tomboys but just effeminate as hell. There are women who also have masculine traits, that's why the term stud dyke exist and even if they aren't a dyke/lesbian. Some women still have masculine traits that some men are attracted to but doesn't necessarily want a man at all, just a masculine woman because he find female aggression and control sexy perhaps.

I doubt those women that box or do MMA are married or dating men weaker than themselves yet her masculinity of being able to dominate other women and beat on them doesn't cause men who can do the same to other men to be put off by her female masculinity either. Trans people are attractive to most men because of the Exotic nature they carry of having the ability to be both genders and have high levels of sexual energy compared to actual women. The ones that never removed their dicks and can still get erections are heavily sought after vs the ones that decided to go Post-Op and cut it off. Those are the trans people that have the hardest time finding someone because a lot of men want a trans with a functioning dick regardless if he wants to be smashed by it

As for me, I just wanted to fill in the void in my empty life.
I struggle with trusting women and porn, tiktok, cellphone culture,
onlyfans, etc only made it ten times harder to trust them now that they have access to so many different men.
At least with trans people I got to experience what it's like to have people who are afraid of losing me for a change.
Women rarely ever get worried if a man is going to leave them for someone else unless he's truly someone she believe is top level special in some way to get worried about him leaving out of her life because they know they'll just easily find another man. For men this isn't that easy when they lost a woman and have to start over again. But I've seen the fear in these trans people
eyes when they believe a man is going to ditch them for someone else, or if he's talking to others they get extremely nervous,
and overprotective because they don't want to be single again or alone especially if they become attached to you and most of them
I've met didn't stick around for very long, they became flaky after awhile or just disappeared.

It is true, a ladyboy or any other sort of tranny has little chance of ever finding true love and commitment with a man. Like you said, virtually all men willing to fool around with them will regard them as little more than just a curiosity, a "flavor of the month", a once in a lifetime experience they'll shamefully hide away from the world. A man will not claim a ladyboy as "his woman", won't flaunt her on social media, won't show the ladyboy off or walk around proudly in public in broad daylight. So this creature, no longer a man, often missing vital parts or the functionality of them, and not quite a woman either, lives a rather pitiful existence.

I've known a ladyboy/bakla in Manila who looked rather nice at first glance, although upon close inspection, her hands were a little too large, wrists too thick and shoulders too wide. Had a good job too and everything, the works. This "lady" dated some high quality men, a famous chef, a successful Filipino basketball player, and the chief of security of a major politician who shall remain unnamed for obvious reasons. And yes, she had the pictures to prove it. All of these men she dated, however, they were on the "down-low". It was all very hush-hush. Secret little rendezvous in hotels or privately owned condos, sneaking in and out the backdoor at ungodly hours to have her "backdoor" used by men who never in a million years would post a status update on Facebook saying: "This is my girl".

Those men had wives, girlfriends, families. Those still single would eventually marry a biological woman and have children by her. The ladyboy would just, fade out. These creatures, it has to be said, do not age well. The hormones f**k up their bodies, the many years of estrogen injections cause brittle bones and all sorts of serious health issues further down the line. Don't expect a ladyboy to live healthily into her eighties... sixties is pushing it, for most. Suicide rates are through the roof. They're just a curiosity. They know they're just a curiosity. Even the "beautiful" ones do not get claimed, nine out of ten times. And the men that do, they better prepare to have people snicker behind their backs for the entirety of the relationship, whether it be in Asia or abroad. It's a no-go area, really.

And then there are the desperate men. The men who couldn't quite make it in life, in love. Perhaps they do not know their own value as a man, so they opt to go for a tranny instead of an actual woman with a womb, ovaries and titties given to her by Mother Nature instead of monthly injections that'll enlarge her veins, weaken her bones and slowly kill her because her very existence is an affront to God. The desperate man may marry the ladyboy. Take her to whatever Western land he hails from, and, provided gay marriage is legal there... marry the poor creature. Peace at last, for the ladyboy. The type of peace that requires quite a bit of cognitive dissonance. The laughing continues. The silent gossip does, too. It never ends. There are no winners in these types of situations.

I look at where I live at, America. Women don't age very well either. I think by the time everyone gets in their 40s and it up it starts to show. Me and my brother on the other hand have looked like we are 15 years old since we were that age. My brother is 33 and he still looks 14 with or without facial hair.

[Lucas88]

I hear people say all the time people who are gay are attracted to masculinity, this is FALSE.
Most gay men aren't masculine at all, and the femboy types look like effeminate women.

The first thing that you say here simply isn't true. Most gays - and especially the effeminate sexual invert types - are indeed strongly attracted to masculinity. They would ideally like to be with a masculine man, but unfortunately for many gays, that's not always possible.

As you have rightly observed, most gay men aren't too masculine and the flamboyant effeminate type certainly does predominate. This means that many men within gay communities simply have to settle for less masculine boyfriends otherwise they would end up all alone since masculine straight men want nothing to do with a (non-transitioned) homosexual while masculine gay guys are in limited supply. Often effeminate gay guys are frustrated with having to settle for other effeminate gay guys. Many of them lust after masculine straight men but that fantasy is completely unrealistic. I know this to be true. At my college there were quite a few flamboyantly effeminate gays for some reason and they had their own circle of friends, but I caught them checking me out and giving me lustful looks on more than one occasion. Most twinky little gayboys would absolutely love to be held down and fcuked hard by a rugged heterosexual stud if they could.

This brings us back to the topic of Tgurls - the true, sexually inverted homosexual type, or what Ray Blanchard calls HSTS (as opposed to the fetishistic AGPs). Those Tgurls are exactly the same as other flamboyant effeminate gay men in terms of their physical and sexual constitution but, rather than living like their fellow effeminate gays and settling for a similarly effeminate partner, they decide to transition and develop feminine features in order to attract masculine straight men and seduce them into sleeping with them. That is the sexual strategy of the HSTS: - make herself look like a female and then hijack the sexual attraction of gynephilic men who are usually far more masculine than any male they could have dated in the gay community. This strategy works tremendously well. In any given city there are thousands of rugged handsome men who would happily fcuk a feminine tranny - men who mostly like women. In fact, even an average-looking tranny can easily take up escorting and then get paid decent money to be fcuked by an almost endless supply of the same kind of desirable men. Tgurl transition really is a win for those effeminate gayboys who are petite and delicate enough to pull it off convincingly.

[WanderingProtagonist]

I hear people say all the time people who are gay are attracted to masculinity, this is FALSE.
Most gay men aren't masculine at all, and the femboy types look like effeminate women.

The first thing that you say here simply isn't true. Most gays - and especially the effeminate sexual invert types - are indeed strongly attracted to masculinity. They would ideally like to be with a masculine man, but unfortunately for many gays, that's not always possible.

As you have rightly observed, most gay men aren't too masculine and the flamboyant effeminate type certainly does predominate. This means that many men within gay communities simply have to settle for less masculine boyfriends otherwise they would end up all alone since masculine straight men want nothing to do with a (non-transitioned) homosexual while masculine gay guys are in limited supply. Often effeminate gay guys are frustrated with having to settle for other effeminate gay guys. Many of them lust after masculine straight men but that fantasy is completely unrealistic. I know this to be true. At my college there were quite a few flamboyantly effeminate gays for some reason and they had their own circle of friends, but I caught them checking me out and giving me lustful looks on more than one occasion. Most twinky little gayboys would absolutely love to be held down and fcuked hard by a rugged heterosexual stud if they could.

This brings us back to the topic of Tgurls - the true, sexually inverted homosexual type, or what Ray Blanchard calls HSTS (as opposed to the fetishistic AGPs). Those Tgurls are exactly the same as other flamboyant effeminate gay men in terms of their physical and sexual constitution but, rather than living like their fellow effeminate gays and settling for a similarly effeminate partner, they decide to transition and develop feminine features in order to attract masculine straight men and seduce them into sleeping with them. That is the sexual strategy of the HSTS: - make herself look like a female and then hijack the sexual attraction of gynephilic men who are usually far more masculine than any male they could have dated in the gay community. This strategy works tremendously well. In any given city there are thousands of rugged handsome men who would happily fcuk a feminine tranny - men who mostly like women. In fact, even an average-looking tranny can easily take up escorting and then get paid decent money to be fcuked by an almost endless supply of the same kind of desirable men. Tgurl transition really is a win for those effeminate gayboys who are petite and delicate enough to pull it off convincingly.

You're making it sound like everyone desires the same type of male and I don't agree with this. First people claim only women desire masculine males, now I'm hearing gays and trans people all desire the same type of male. No way in hell am I going to buy into this that everyone is interested in masculine men, because they aren't. You're going to lust after people who hate your ass? And none of the trans I met cared about whether or not someone was masculine. If anything they avoided men like that because of their inability to be loyal to them. The only time I see these people lusting after masculine individuals is when it's a fetish thing, and fetishizing people is quite appalling to me, this is why I could never stand white women once all the interracial shit was forced on black and white people more so than any other group of people in the West.

It's not like gay males can't be masculine if they wanted, it's just that their entire community isn't other than dykish lesbian women who don't have this problem of finding a dominant woman.

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You're making it sound like everyone desires the same type of male and I don't agree with this. First people claim only women desire masculine males, now I'm hearing gays and trans people all desire the same type of male. No way in hell am I going to buy into this shit that everyone is interested in masculine men, because they aren't. Otherwise gays wouldn't complain about homophobic most masculine guys are. You're going to lust after people who hate your ass? And none of the trans I met gave two f***s about whether or not someone was masculine. If anything they avoided men that looked like that because of their inability to be loyal to them.

It's not like gay males can't be masculine if they wanted, it's just that their entire community isn't other than dykish lesbian women who don't have this problem of finding a dominant woman. But like I said before, I'm not buying into the notion that women and now males all desire masculine males. Maybe those cuckoldry fags that watch BLACKED that get off to those overly muscular jacked faggot looking black males probably want that but I doubt this is what gay males in all countries are after. I don't get whats so exciting about hyper masculine guys anyway. They desire and lust after people that would rather bash their faces in vs people that would actually love and care about them. Sounds quite ignorant of gays to me.

I never said that all gays and Tgurls require their sexual partners to be hypermasculine, but they generally do prefer for their sexual partners to be at least normal in terms of masculinity and not flamboyantly effeminate. They are attracted to MEN after all. This is especially true of Tgurls who often openly say that they don't like other faggots (sexually) and only like real men. What I described about many effeminate gay men and future Tgurls not being satisfied with dating other effeminate gay men in the gay community is not something that I've just pulled out of my ass. I've heard the same story from Tgurls themselves who says that they never felt happy with the gay scene because most of the men were too unmasculine for their tastes and then explain that that all changed after they decided to transition and started dating masculine trans-attracted men. Even Ray Blanchard observed this in his clinal studies of HSTS and identified a strong desire to attract masculine (meaning at least normal) and nominally heterosexual men as part of their motivation to transition. Again, by masculine I mean having the constitution of a normal guy, not necessarily ultra-jacked hypermasculine.

I don't know how masculine you are but I'm sure that you're at least masculine enough to be generally perceived as a normal guy and never to be confused with a flamboyant effeminate homosexual, right? That's why Tgurls were sexually attracted to you. If you had presented yourself as a flaming fag queen, they wouldn't have shown any sexual or romantic interest. They certainly do care about whether a prospective partner of theirs is masculine.

Plenty of effeminate gay males are unable to become convincingly masculine even if they try. They are just too naturally feminized as sexual inverts and will always have that cute pretty boy look and those flamboyant mannerisms and that sissified gay voice. Because of this some of them choose to go the other way and opt for complete feminization. For those gays, becoming a Tgurl is much easier.

Yep, most masculine heterosexual guys would beat the shit out of a gay guy if that gay guy tried to flirt with him but that doesn't mean that they don't have fantasies about the masculine heterosexual guys who they know. Like I said, it's a completely unrealistic fantasy, and the only gays who really get to experience straight (at least nominally) men are those who transition.

[Lucas88]

But I'm also intensely traditional when it comes to this insanely strong desire I feel to "spread my genes". Overcome with this desire at an early age, I cannot bring myself to sleep with someone who doesn't have a womb... it feels wrong, for me. Whether or not my pull-out game is strong enough to prevent a pregnancy or not, I need there to be this possibility. I need the girl to be young, I need her to be fertile. Breedable. There's a thrill to it that I cannot quite put into words, and as evidenced by the great number of biological children I have thus far fathered, I'm a man who "puts his money where his mouth is" so to speak.

For me, recreational sex and breeding are not strongly related and remain largely compartmentalized. I see them as two completely different things, the first being exclusively for pleasure and Dionysian exultation of the spirit, and the second being of a practical nature with the right carefully selected breeding stock. I don't really get off on the idea of potentially impregnating a female during sexual intercourse, and to be honest, I'd never even thought about it.

I admit that I am extremely visually oriented when it comes to sex and fixate a lot on aesthetics. Some people might perceive this as superficial but it is what it is. I'm obsessed with certain kinds of boobs, asses, body shapes, facial features and ethnic phenotypes. I also regard female bodies as works of art and wish to experience certain pieces of art in the flesh. I'd even say that the pursuit of certain forms of beauty has possessed my soul at times and driven me to spend considerable money on escorts over the years.

Because my sexual attraction is so motivated by aesthetics and isn't dependent on any need for reproductive functionality like yours is, I can easily find myself attracted to highly feminine and aesthetically desirable Tgurls since their feminized physical features are often so tempting. Beauty is my weakness. Therefore, when the options are an absolutely stunning transformer and an average-looking woman, the stunning transformer will catch my attention a lot more. That's why the Colombian Mulata was able to tempt me so easily with her near-perfect body and alluring femininity and I was totally powerless to resist until I saw a cock and realized that I'm incapable of performing anal sex out of complete disgust for the act.

Maybe I do simply have a more Mediterranean psychological constitution and fixation on aesthetics really is a Mediterranean thing as I previously proposed. I'm under the impression that Mediterranean and Latin cultures are more lenient towards the idea of having sexual intercourse with Tgurls (travestis) if they are hot and feminine. It seems to be much more of a Latin thing with travesti prostitution being extremely widespread in countries like Brazil, Colombia, Spain and Italy among others. The greater level of acceptance in the Latin world probably goes back to Roman times and in the Catholic nations of the South was never stamped out by any kind of puritanism which is, in my opinion, rather alien to the Latin soul.

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Alright, so, 82% of the currently active forum members think boning ladyboys is... kinda queer. There ya go. I knew it. Not to shame anyway, by all means, "do you", ya know? But yeah. It's honestly refreshing to see a lot of people finally agree on something for a change, because people here often seem to be at each other's throats a lot lol.

At the end of the day @MarcosZeitola, there are plenty of occasions where men become occasionally happy with homosexual intercourse. Curiosity, genuine attraction, even necessity or desperation (think inmates). That doesn't make them fully gay or veering on the queer side. I still fail to understand why, in a country like the Philippines which bursts at the seams with young, cute and lustful girls, one needs to head straight to the "unusual" experience of full sex with a ladyboy.