Is a man who has intercourse with a ladyboy homosexual or bisexual or can he still claim he's "straight"?

[Outcast9428]

@MarcosZeitola @publicduende

It’s just gross… Not as gross as a girl getting gangbanged, that is absolutely disgusting, but it’s still gross. I want a girlfriend of mine to feel special because I have sex with her and not act like I’d just bang any girl who offered her body to me.

I don’t feel like it would be difficult to turn down such an offer at all.

Sorry, I am trying to get your "gross scale". What's more gross than a girl getting gangbanged...a three-foursome or sex with a ladyboy?

No the girl getting gang banged is the most gross one.

[MrMan]

With all due respect to @MrMan I don’t understand why the gay stuff bothers him and other traditionalists who think the same way so much… My best friend even seems to think the same way that getting rid of gay marriage needs to be a top priority. I even saw MrMan in another thread saying that gay marriage was worse then polygamy being legalized and that is a big “wtf?” For me.

Polygamy would literally cause the destruction of our civilization as we know it. The social ramifications of legalizing polygamy would be disastrous. From a biblical perspective adultery is much much worse then sodomy on the list of sins. Adultery is severe enough to be one of the Ten Commandments but sodomy is not.

In Old Testament times, some righteous men like Abraham and David were polygamists. David later fell into adultery with Uriah's wife. Both adultery and male same-sex sexual acts were death penalty crimes in the Old Testament.

More importantly though, there simply aren’t any social ramifications resulting from a tiny minority of genuinely gay men being left alone. I agree that the LGBT culture and propaganda is toxic but concentrating so hard on getting rid of gay marriage doesn’t make a lot of sense to me when there are much more pressing concerns. I’d rather us focus on stopping the proliferation of extreme pornography, on eliminating affirmative action, getting abortion banned, and instituting marriage loans to help heterosexual couples get married then on getting rid of gay marriage.

The loans in Hungary were to meet a specific population need. Why would we need that here? Affirmative action? It doesn't destroy society like gay marriage, porn, etc. I agree stopping extreme pornography would help our society. Abortion-- I understand why you put that above gay marriage as a concern, of course. The gay marriage thing is rebellious against God, who designed marriage and made it between male and female. To some extent in generations past, our judges tended to realize some things they dealt with in law were divinely ordained. If the SCOTUS hadn't forced gay marriage on the country, the LGBT crowd would have focused on that instead of trying to convince boys they are girls and girls they are boys.




I mean, I definitely believe heterosexuality is superior to homosexuality. I don’t believe they are equal. But I see them as not really being worth my attention either. As far as actually gay people are concerned, I feel very “meh” about them. Hookup culture is destroying heterosexual relationships across the country, ruining people for marriage and stripping men and women of their ability to find love and companionship in life. The sadomasochism epidemic is even worse, effecting a much larger percentage of the population, destroying heterosexual marriages and relationships and rendering people completely unfit for marriage in the first place… But some people are more concerned about whether gay people want to call their relationships a marriage or not? I don’t know, I feel like it’s a very misdirected use of energy.
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[Cornfed]

Both adultery and male same-sex sexual acts were death penalty crimes in the Old Testament.

Apparently the two passages in Leviticus could be construed as referring to polyandry rather than faggotry, which would make sense as the Bible was concerned with regulating actual sex rather than perverted masturbatory acts.

[Lucas88]

@CaptainSkelebob

I don't think that having sexual intercourse with a ladyboy/Tgurl necessarily makes a man homosexual or even bisexual in the true sense of the word. Homosexual men are by definition attracted to masculinity and most of them wouldn't dream of hitting it off with any person who looks like a woman. While ladyboys/Tgurls are indeed genetically male, they are not men in the sense of normal masculine males but rather are natural sexual inverts who already present high levels of physical and psychological feminization even prior to beginning hormone replacement therapy. They have a completely different vibe and energy to actual men. For those who might be interested, modern studies using brain scan techniques confirm the innate sexual inversion of true ladyboys/Tgurls.

I myself subscribe to the age-old Greco-Roman model of sexuality. If a man who has sexual intercourse with a ladyboy/Tgurl adopts the dominant masculine role, then he isn't gay since his attraction is directed at the ladyboy's femininity and he is playing the role of the man. However, if conversely the man adopts the passive feminine role and allows himself to be penetrated by the ladyboy then he is being emasculated by her and is therefore a faggot, even if he is exclusively attracted to femininity. This is why in Latin countries like Brazil, Colombia and Mexico masculine men can have sex with feminine travestis without feeling any loss of masculinity or thinking of themselves as gay. Transsexual prostitution is rife throughout Latin America and much of Southern Europe despite the culture of machismo and prevalence of homophobia.

I don't think that CaptainSkelebob is gay because of his sexual escapades with feminine ladyboys. First, the Captain is exclusively attracted to femininity but not at all to masculinity if we are to take his word at face value. Second, if I have understood him correctly, in all of his encounters he adopted the dominant masculine role penetrating the ladyboys and having them suck his dick and not the other way around. On top of that, the Captain says that he has only ever had penetrative sex with post-op ladyboys with artificial pussies and so what he does with them isn't really any different from having regular straight sex with a cisgender woman. I don't think that there is a strong case against Skelebob. I know that people want to make fun of him for banging ladyboys (and bragging about it ) but he's not a fag, and if he does have some bisexual tendencies, they are pretty minor. I don't buy into the "repressed homo" argument either. If the Captain really were a fag, he'd just have sex with masculine men as opposed to feminine ladyboys.

Since others are being honest about their experiences, I'll tell you guys about the time when I got sucked off by a Colombian Mulata Tgurl in Valencia. No homo, by the way! It all began at wrestling class. I was having a baddass session on the mats hitting blast doubles, single legs and even a high crotch left, right and center and having some awesome matches with my partners. Once I got out of class, I was just that pumped up with excitement that I made myself totally manic and, on the way home, I called my hardcore sex addict Latino buddy and asked him if he wanted to go cruising for putas. I took a shower at home and then shortly thereafter my buddy picked me up in the car and we went cruising around the port area not far from our barrio. We saw a lot of sexy Black and Latin American sex workers dressed in revealing clothing and some of them with their titties out. They gave us flirtatious compliments, blew us kisses and struck sexy poses. We stopped and began to talk to a pair of dark-skinned ladies. They were Colombians and it soon became apparent that they weren't ladies at all. They were both transformers but at the same time they were totally hot and stunning and extremely womanlike in terms of appearance. The shorter, thicker one of the two turned me on with her curves and big booty as well as her big fake titties and, already manic and feeling like Tony Montana on coke, I invited the hot transformer into the car and took her home.

The Tgurl was about 5'5", extremely curvaceous, had a big thick booty that turned out to be real (i.e., no silicone), and a nice pair of large round silicone titties. Her face was also cute and feminine. She was far hotter than any female I'd ever been with and I was so uncontrollably aroused. I put my hands around her hips and then began to caress her awesome Africanized booty (pura carne, nada de silicona, en serio ) and passionately make out with her. I violently threw her onto the bed, tore her clothes off her, mounted her like a crazed bull, and began to squeeze and kiss her titties which were just two domes of aesthetic perfection. But when I pulled off her lower underwear and saw a cock between her legs, I was immediately startled and didn't know how to react. I'm totally grossed out by anal sex and wouldn't even do it with a woman. In the end I just got her to suck me off and she sucked way better than any woman. I blew my load on her titties and then any feelings of shame were gone. What was there to be ashamed of? She was way hotter than most women anyway. I told @Pixel--Dude about my experience via WhatsApp and explained that she sucked my cock but I didn't touch her cock so that means that it wasn't gay. Pixel--Dude responded saying that the universe doesn't care whether or not it was gay!

I don't consider myself gay for getting sucked off by a hot, ultra-feminine transformer. I'm a masculine dude who does wrestling and MMA and see myself as being like a Mediterranean aristocrat from the time of the Renaissance with my powerful and dominant Greco-Roman masculinity and with the masculine instinct to hold down and sexually dominate a little feminized Tgurl made to look like a perfect girl. I really get off on the act of domination. I don't give a damn if people think that I'm a homo because of the Colombian Mulata or say that it's wrong. I do what I want! Why would I even give a shit about what the woman purists think? What's so good about real women anyway? Tgurls are often objectively more attractive than women, and a lot of women are insufferable bitches who men only tolerate because they have boobies and a pvssy! I can kinda understand why ultra-feminine transformers are the go-to choice for some men.

I found the discussion above between @Publicduende and @MarcosZeitola interesting. Interesting because it was discussed between a Mediterranean man and a Germanic man. Maybe it is revealing of two distinct cultural attitudes.

In my experience, the Mediterranean soul greatly values aesthetics. For the Mediterranean, everything must be beautiful and have an aesthetically pleasing form regardless of functionality. You see this in Spanish and Italian architecture and cities which are far more beautiful than anything in Northern Europe. Following this line of thought, I predict that Mediterranean men by and large would be more willing to have sexual intercourse with a transformer if she were totally feminine and extremely beautiful. That in conjunction with the lack of puritanism in the predominantly Catholic cultures of the South. I myself think and act much more like a Mediterranean and consider myself a Mediterranean soul at heart (I actually despise Anglo and Germanic cultures and perceive them as very alien to my own nature). Maybe that is why I, like Publicduende, was willing to go with an extremely attractive transformer and let her suck me off and don't even feel any guilt or shame about it.

I think that the Germanic peoples on the other hand give less importance to aesthetics and more importance to functionality. Their way of thinking is overwhelmingly utilitarian. So when it comes to the topic of sexual encounters with Tgurls, most Germanics and especially Anglos have the attitude of "No, that's a dude, she still has XY chromosomes, has no womb or ovaries, and cannot reproduce as a woman" and are hostile to the thought of a man sleeping with a transformer no matter how beautiful or aesthetically perfect she is. American men in particular seem to be extremely opposed to trans-attraction. And America together with the UK is perhaps the most crudely utilitarian culture in the world.

Well, that's my hypothesis on why Mediterranean and Latin cultures are more accepting of sexual encounters with transformers and why Anglo and Germanic cultures are more closed or hostile to the idea.

Thanks for reading my manic ramblings if you've came this far (today I feel manic as fcuk )! Wuuu wuuu wuuu! ¡Mulatas colombianas riquísicas y culoncísimas! ¡Todas unas mamasotas! Wuuu wuuu wuuu!

[Outcast9428]

@MarcosZeitola @publicduende

It’s just gross… Not as gross as a girl getting gangbanged, that is absolutely disgusting, but it’s still gross. I want a girlfriend of mine to feel special because I have sex with her and not act like I’d just bang any girl who offered her body to me.

I don’t feel like it would be difficult to turn down such an offer at all.

It's not as if girls will come up to you in the street and say "hey wanna bone me and my two super hot friends right now? Here's the hotel room number, please be there in fifteen minutes while we get started without you and engage in some warming-up lesbianism" lol. This is real life, not a porn movie of course. It's just that, in some places, in some circumstances and environments, a man can easily find himself wrapped up in varying degrees of debauchery, and yes, it can be rather enjoyable from time to time. For me it's mostly just been one-on-one fun with girls, yes I have done a threesome but never a foursome like @publicduende so he still has me beat there.

Sex is fun. And the world is full of beautiful girls. You are, as of now, madly in love. And thus blind to much of the world's female beauty. You close your eyes and it's only her you think of. And I think that's a wonderful, beautiful thing! However, if you place yourself in the shoes of a single man who is in a position of having sex with a fair number of beautiful women, is it really that hard to see the appeal? I'm not saying you should condone this, or that it is "good for society", but on an individual basis, it's not hard to see what would appeal about these sort of experiences to a man, is it? You just would not partake because you are a man of discipline and do not seek such things. But that does not mean that the appeal is entirely lost on you.

As for the subject at hand, @Outcast9428 surely you would agree that having sex with two biological females at the same time is still less immoral and less disgusting than having sex with a ladyboy tranny? I mean c'mon be honest, man. If someone were to put a gun to your head, in a hypothetical scenario where you are a single dude, and you either had to bang two chicks at once, or bang a tranny, and to not choose would mean to bite the bullet, surely you'd pick the two actual chicks right?

If you're holding a gun to my head, then yes, I'll opt for the threesome because I would find it less difficult, on a physical level, to go through. Morals wise, however, I think its better for a guy to sleep with ladyboys.

It was only a little over a month ago that I was single, I didn't forget what its like to be single that quickly . Still, when I was single, I had no desire to do that. Why would I want two girls in my bed? I presumably would already have my hands full (quite literally) with one. You might as well have asked me if I would find it irresistibly tempting to play two different video games at the same time.

[Outcast9428]

With all due respect to @MrMan I don’t understand why the gay stuff bothers him and other traditionalists who think the same way so much… My best friend even seems to think the same way that getting rid of gay marriage needs to be a top priority. I even saw MrMan in another thread saying that gay marriage was worse then polygamy being legalized and that is a big “wtf?” For me.

Polygamy would literally cause the destruction of our civilization as we know it. The social ramifications of legalizing polygamy would be disastrous. From a biblical perspective adultery is much much worse then sodomy on the list of sins. Adultery is severe enough to be one of the Ten Commandments but sodomy is not.

In Old Testament times, some righteous men like Abraham and David were polygamists. David later fell into adultery with Uriah's wife. Both adultery and male same-sex sexual acts were death penalty crimes in the Old Testament.

More importantly though, there simply aren’t any social ramifications resulting from a tiny minority of genuinely gay men being left alone. I agree that the LGBT culture and propaganda is toxic but concentrating so hard on getting rid of gay marriage doesn’t make a lot of sense to me when there are much more pressing concerns. I’d rather us focus on stopping the proliferation of extreme pornography, on eliminating affirmative action, getting abortion banned, and instituting marriage loans to help heterosexual couples get married then on getting rid of gay marriage.

The loans in Hungary were to meet a specific population need. Why would we need that here? Affirmative action? It doesn't destroy society like gay marriage, porn, etc. I agree stopping extreme pornography would help our society. Abortion-- I understand why you put that above gay marriage as a concern, of course. The gay marriage thing is rebellious against God, who designed marriage and made it between male and female. To some extent in generations past, our judges tended to realize some things they dealt with in law were divinely ordained. If the SCOTUS hadn't forced gay marriage on the country, the LGBT crowd would have focused on that instead of trying to convince boys they are girls and girls they are boys.




I mean, I definitely believe heterosexuality is superior to homosexuality. I don’t believe they are equal. But I see them as not really being worth my attention either. As far as actually gay people are concerned, I feel very “meh” about them. Hookup culture is destroying heterosexual relationships across the country, ruining people for marriage and stripping men and women of their ability to find love and companionship in life. The sadomasochism epidemic is even worse, effecting a much larger percentage of the population, destroying heterosexual marriages and relationships and rendering people completely unfit for marriage in the first place… But some people are more concerned about whether gay people want to call their relationships a marriage or not? I don’t know, I feel like it’s a very misdirected use of energy.

David? A righteous man? Does a righteous man commit genocide multiple times, engage in polygamy, and then kill a man in order to sleep with his wife? David is a monster.

Why would we not want a program that would significantly reduce the obstacles/barriers to marriage? I really don't understand how you could be opposed to this? Do you not want to see more people getting married? Do you not want people to get married at younger ages? The current average age of marriage being 29 years old for men and women is an abomination. It was once 21! The average man is in his 30s now when he gets married! The marriage rate in Hungary doubled as a result of this program. Besides our birth rate isn't a whole lot higher then Hungary's.

Legal, systemic discrimination against white males in America that harms our opportunity to provide for our families is less harmful then letting gay people have their little contract and pretend to be married? I don't understand how on Earth someone can believe that?

Gay people can't get married... Its spiritually impossible. If they want to sign a legal contract saying that their sexual relationship also involves joint management over their financial affairs then whatever.

Don't you think its more productive to focus your energies on improving life for heterosexual couples and creating a more marriage friendly society for heterosexual people to thrive in then it is to worry about whether gays want to play-act at being married?

[Tsar]

The man would not be straight but he also would not exactly be gay.

A straight man wants a biological female that looks and acts feminine.

A gay man wants a biological male that looks good, with varying preferences for looks, but still masculine.

Bi people prefer females and males according to nature and tradition.

A man engaging in sexual activities with a transwoman is closer to being bi or gay, but different. I would definitely say it's more disgusting than homosexuality. Homosexuality, if most of it wasn't caused by brainwashing, is natural in a tiny percentage of men in nature's.

Dominance was a much more common reason for homosexuality. Adult men or more mature men would often have sex with teen boys or younger men. That's something that the Ancient Greeks and Ancient Romans did.

@MarcosZeitola recently mentioned that there have been some rapes of new recruits in the Russian army. That's because it's a dominance thing and about power. A man could have a girlfriend and like girls, but also get off on raping younger guys as a power trip and get physical pleasure from the sex and psychological pleasure from exerting dominance.

I have a similar opinion to @MarcosZeitola's opinion. A girl must be a biological female with the female chromosomes, act feminine, and look feminine. All the girls that I like have high features that indicate high estrogen and femininity, or very high estrogen and feminity. A female needs to be able to have offspring.

A man who was modified to resemble a woman isn't a female. It's male that mimicks a female.

@CaptainSkelebob can do what he wants but it's deviant sexual behavior.

Men like @MarcosZeitola and I want real feminine biological females. I'm sure that @ MrMan and @Outcast9428 also share that opinion.

[Yohan]

The man would not be straight but he also would not exactly be gay.

A straight man wants a biological female that looks and acts feminine.
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I have a similar opinion to @MarcosZeitola's opinion. A girl must be a biological female with the female chromosomes, act feminine, and look feminine. ....
A man who was modified to resemble a woman isn't a female. It's male that mimicks a female.

@CaptainSkelebob can do what he wants but it's deviant sexual behavior.

Men like @MarcosZeitola and I want real feminine biological females. I'm sure that @ MrMan and @Outcast9428 also share that opinion.

I also share that opinion.

I was badly treated by women and kindly treated by most men when I was still a child. I should reject anything female, but nevertheless I turned out as a 100 % straight man - which means, I am only interested into a sexual relationship with a 100 % straight woman.

I feel nothing sexually for children regardless if boys or girls, I feel nothing sexually for ladyboys or gays or whatever such a person might be.

Tsar: A straight man wants a biological female that looks and acts feminine.

Let me say, it works in both directions. Also a straight woman wants a biological man only.

As far as I know from some rather rare to find statistics, more than 90 percent of all people are straight - naturally.

If you need surgery and other medical assistance to become a 'woman' or a 'man' - and if you feel a sexual desire others than for a straight person of the opposite sex, you cannot consider yourself to be 'straight'.

Also let me add, by my opinion, for me 'marriage' means a marriage between a straight man and a straight woman.

I consider anything else as co-habitation.
They can do whatever they like, live together with anybody they like - I am not against such people, but their life-style is different from my one.

[WanderingProtagonist]

Its baffling I never get mentioned in threads anymore, maybe I'm old news these days. But this is a topic you'd swear the Wandering Protagonist would have gotten mentioned at least once. Heh.

[Lucas88]

David? A righteous man? Does a righteous man commit genocide multiple times, engage in polygamy, and then kill a man in order to sleep with his wife? David is a monster.

I know. David was just another vile genocidal hook-nosed kike like the rest of the psychopathic Israelite monsters of the Bible who these crazy Jew-loving Evangelicals like to put on a pedestal. But David gets a free pass for his immorality because he's a chosenite of HaShem.

[MrMan]

If a man has sex with another man, knowing doctors and pharmacists have pumped him full of hormones and removed his genitals, retaining parts of it to make a fake vagina out of a hole they put in his abdomen, neither of them are 'straight.'

Someone who wants to have sex with ladyboys is 'bi' at the least.

But it is worse to engage in same-sex acts than to be 'gay'-- meaning attracted to men. So if you say you aren't 'gay', but are having sex with men, the act is worse than the attraction. It's a terrible thing to find oneness with such an affliction. In some cases, it may come on from acquiescing to more and more sexual perversion over time, watching porn and seeing guys junk, I suppose, or worse. There is also psychological literature suggesting that some boys who do not bond with their fathers or father-figure might eroticize male attention and associate that with sexual attraction. But men still have a choice what to do if they have certain feelings.

[MrMan]

With all due respect to @MrMan I don’t understand why the gay stuff bothers him and other traditionalists who think the same way so much… My best friend even seems to think the same way that getting rid of gay marriage needs to be a top priority. I even saw MrMan in another thread saying that gay marriage was worse then polygamy being legalized and that is a big “wtf?” For me.

Polygamy would literally cause the destruction of our civilization as we know it. The social ramifications of legalizing polygamy would be disastrous. From a biblical perspective adultery is much much worse then sodomy on the list of sins. Adultery is severe enough to be one of the Ten Commandments but sodomy is not.

In Old Testament times, some righteous men like Abraham and David were polygamists. David later fell into adultery with Uriah's wife. Both adultery and male same-sex sexual acts were death penalty crimes in the Old Testament.

More importantly though, there simply aren’t any social ramifications resulting from a tiny minority of genuinely gay men being left alone. I agree that the LGBT culture and propaganda is toxic but concentrating so hard on getting rid of gay marriage doesn’t make a lot of sense to me when there are much more pressing concerns. I’d rather us focus on stopping the proliferation of extreme pornography, on eliminating affirmative action, getting abortion banned, and instituting marriage loans to help heterosexual couples get married then on getting rid of gay marriage.

The loans in Hungary were to meet a specific population need. Why would we need that here? Affirmative action? It doesn't destroy society like gay marriage, porn, etc. I agree stopping extreme pornography would help our society. Abortion-- I understand why you put that above gay marriage as a concern, of course. The gay marriage thing is rebellious against God, who designed marriage and made it between male and female. To some extent in generations past, our judges tended to realize some things they dealt with in law were divinely ordained. If the SCOTUS hadn't forced gay marriage on the country, the LGBT crowd would have focused on that instead of trying to convince boys they are girls and girls they are boys.




I mean, I definitely believe heterosexuality is superior to homosexuality. I don’t believe they are equal. But I see them as not really being worth my attention either. As far as actually gay people are concerned, I feel very “meh” about them. Hookup culture is destroying heterosexual relationships across the country, ruining people for marriage and stripping men and women of their ability to find love and companionship in life. The sadomasochism epidemic is even worse, effecting a much larger percentage of the population, destroying heterosexual marriages and relationships and rendering people completely unfit for marriage in the first place… But some people are more concerned about whether gay people want to call their relationships a marriage or not? I don’t know, I feel like it’s a very misdirected use of energy.

David? A righteous man? Does a righteous man commit genocide multiple times, engage in polygamy, and then kill a man in order to sleep with his wife? David is a monster.

David was walking righteously before the sin with Bathsheba. He was also in the wrong about the census. When did David commit 'genocide'? Genocide isn't a sin, anyway. Murder is a sin. David fought battles righteously. He differentiated between slaying in warfare and murder. Even though Saul was pursuing him, he did not murder the king when he was taking a dump further up in a cave. As far as polygamy goes, David was walking within the light that had been revealed on this in his time. He sinned by committing adultery with Uriah's wife. Then he had Uriah put in a dangerous situation in a battle so that he would die. These were serious sins.

Why would we not want a program that would significantly reduce the obstacles/barriers to marriage? I really don't understand how you could be opposed to this?

I think our economic system is fragile, and the idea that we should just digitally print a bunch of money and give (or lend) it out to this or that cause seems an unwise use of money. We are feeling it with inflation right now. At some point, this made-up economic system would collapse. There are other governmental levers that could be pulled besides giving away free money. How about stick rather than carrot? Divorce taxes for example, or laws like the one you mentioned in NC where it is really hard for an adulterer to get custody. How about no-fault divorce filers don't get custody, imprisoning adulterers?

The Hungarian president wanted to preserve Hungary as a nation, and not have it filled up with Muslim Turks in the next generation. The population was low on the bottom of the pyramid. Is our problem as severe in the US? Will Muslims take our place? Maybe Hondurans, but not Muslims, for the most part. Our population has been growing for the past 20 years. Some of that is immigration, but it has already happened, whether all of it was legal or not.

Do you not want to see more people getting married? Do you not want people to get married at younger ages? The current average age of marriage being 29 years old for men and women is an abomination. It was once 21! The average man is in his 30s now when he gets married! The marriage rate in Hungary doubled as a result of this program. Besides our birth rate isn't a whole lot higher then Hungary's.

Back when it was 21, was there a huge government program where the government threw money at people to marry?

Legal, systemic discrimination against white males in America that harms our opportunity to provide for our families is less harmful then letting gay people have their little contract and pretend to be married? I don't understand how on Earth someone can believe that?

Do you live somewhere where affirmative action is widely practiced? I hear about it, but I don't see it much. It's unfair, but it's something that happens on the margins. I think they should stop discriminating in favor of women, and certainly not discriminate in favor of people based on perverse sexual preferences.

Don't you think its more productive to focus your energies on improving life for heterosexual couples and creating a more marriage friendly society for heterosexual people to thrive in then it is to worry about whether gays want to play-act at being married?

If this is about marriage loans, I see a problem with squeezing money out of one segment of society just to give it to another. We have a whole lot of that in this country already. It's why taxes are so high. But they borrow a lot of it, and run huge deficits, and it doesn't make sense. At some point, it seems to me, that the Ponzi scheme will collapse. I am not in a rush to bring it down.

[MrMan]

Both adultery and male same-sex sexual acts were death penalty crimes in the Old Testament.

Apparently the two passages in Leviticus could be construed as referring to polyandry rather than faggotry, which would make sense as the Bible was concerned with regulating actual sex rather than perverted masturbatory acts.

Which passages? Do you mean the two passages against a man lying with a man as one does with a woman? How could that be polyandry if no woman is involved?

[Cornfed]

How could that be polyandry if no woman is involved?

It could be translated as "And with another man, do not lie with a woman, for it is abomination".

[Outcast9428]

@MrMan

David commits a whole bunch of genocides for the Philistines.

1 Samuel 27.8-12

And David and his men went up, and invaded the Geshurites, and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites: for those nations were of old the inhabitants of the land, as thou goest to Shur, even unto the land of Egypt.

And David smote the land, and left neither man nor woman alive, and took away the sheep, and the oxen, and the asses, and the camels, and the apparel, and returned, and came to Achish.

And Achish said, Whither have ye made a road to day? And David said, Against the south of Judah, and against the south of the Jerahmeelites, and against the south of the Kenites.

And David saved neither man nor woman alive, to bring tidings to Gath, saying, Lest they should tell on us, saying, So did David, and so will be his manner all the while he dwelleth in the country of the Philistines.

And Achish believed David, saying, He hath made his people Israel utterly to abhor him; therefore he shall be my servant for ever.

David was never a righteous man, he's a complete, psychopathic mass murderer. To say genocide is technically not murder is absurd. Genocide is committing numerous murders whereas "murder" could just be one murder. Obviously, slaughtering tens of thousands of people is a lot worse then killing one person.

In the 1950s, it wasn't necessary to have this program in large part because the houses weren't nearly as expensive to get. The average man made about $3,500 a year and lived in a $12,000 home. The equivalent today would be like men getting paid $70,000 and living in $240,000 homes (pretty much the minimum if you want to live in a house with more then two bedrooms). The average man today, however only makes about $35,000. We only effectively make half of what we used to make... In large part because the corporations introduced so many women into the workforce that its now become an expectation, from corporations, that both parents work full time in order to make ends meet. As one anti-feminist I was watching put it, the impact of pushing women into the workforce is the equivalent of having 160 million immigrants flood our country over the course of a decade or two. Corporations don't pay men with the expectation that he will be the breadwinner like they used to, they pay him the minimum they think is necessary for both a man and a woman, working full time, to own a home.

But if enough women drop out of the workforce, then men's labor will become more scarce, thus valuable again and they will be able to demand higher wages. Hungary's government is also trying to encourage women to be stay at home moms both through media propaganda and through the marriage loans.

Affirmative action is practiced everywhere. Its not practiced as much in blue collar environments because there are so few women applying for these positions in the first place but if you try to get any white collar job, its really hard to get as a white male. Even the most entry level positions imaginable are difficult to get.