Is Our Earth FLAT and Motionless, Not a Spinning Globe?

[Yohan]

https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/science ... 26-158083/

December 26, 2023

TOKYO (Jiji Press) — The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) said Monday that it has successfully put into the moon’s orbit a lunar lander launched by an H-2A rocket in September.

JAXA projects the Smart Lander for Investigating Moon (SLIM) to touch down Jan. 20 next year.

An engine operation for putting the lander into an elliptical orbit at an altitude of 600 to 4,000 kilometers to the moon was carried out Monday night as planned, according to JAXA.

SLIM is a small probe about 2.4 meters high and weighing about 200 kilograms excluding fuel.

If the landing ends in success, SLIM will be the first Japanese probe to touch down on the moon and make Japan the fifth county to do this, only after the former Soviet Union, the United States, China and India.

[Yohan]

@galii

@Yohan
@Pixel--Dude

Check this out. I thought something is fishy with the Eratosthenes story
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Not really, also read the follow-up comments of this video.

Eratosthenes was living about 1200 years before Al-Biruni,
and as I explained, Al-Biruni did a similar experiment, but direction was more to east-west and not north-south and he used a much longer distance, considering time difference...and he did not do it alone and observed shadow and angle over a long time.
But his result was therefore much more precisely calculated.
Also with Al-Biruni, he and his students wrote everything down, in all details, but maybe only about one quarter of his original writings do still exist.
But about Eratosthenes how much did really survive?

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There were other astronoms who were living about same time as Al-Biruni in Syria (now this place is a part of Turkey)

check out Al-Battani

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Battani

He came to the same conclusion independent from Al-Biruni and also some of his scripts survived, even in Latin Language.

[galii]

@Yohan

I think you did not understand what I am talking about.

Did you watch the video? Did you agree or disagree with Neil?

In this case it is not about the size of the earth. It is about the shape. It is strictly and only about Eratosthenes. It is about how Carl Sagan was wrong about assuming a flat earth explanation would not be possible.

[Yohan]

@Yohan

I think you did not understand what I am talking about.

Did you watch the video? Did you agree or disagree with Neil?

In this case it is not about the size of the earth. It is about the shape. It is strictly and only about Eratosthenes. It is about how Carl Sagan was wrong about assuming a flat earth explanation would not be possible.

Eratosthenes made various errors, and as I said in previous comments I do not think such findings of people who were living more than 2200 years ago are very accurate.

About arguments, I usually refer to Al-Biruni, 1200 years later than Eratosthenes. Al-Biruni (and some others too) is totally ignored in the Western world of education, obviously for the reason of Christianity to give preference to some people like Galileo ...

Errors: For example Eratosthenes was thinking the moon makes its own light and also considered the earth as the center of the universe etc.
Also his calculation about the distance earth to sun was not correct...

He got however the right idea about the earth is a globe, but what he did with the measure of shadows from sunlight is not a proof. Too superficial, not looking for other ways to prove his findings.

The distance he used is by far too short - if he did that between Egypt and South Africa the result of the shadows with 3 different places would be totally different and it might be seen as a proof that the earth is a globe, not a flat disk. (I said, it MIGHT BE seen...)

See the drawing and see the angle:


There are much better arguments about the earth as a globe, for example this video I would use as response:

Just watch the stars north and south of the equator of the earth, you see different stars...
Nowadays people can travel by airplane...and see yourself!



Destroying Flat Earth Without Using Science - Part 2: The Stars

galii: In this case it is not about the size of the earth. It is about the shape.

It is, just my opinion, about the size of the earth.

The measuring points were too near to see the difference clearly.

The same can be said about the curve of the earth, even in an airplane you cannot see the curvature of the earth, because you are not high enough....but this does not mean that the earth is flat...

[galii]

@gsjackson
@Pixel--Dude

Check this out. Witles Witsit gets smacked by his fellow flattard. So I have to take it back. It is not a 100 percent echo chamber. So who is the king of the flattards? What do you guys think?

It starts by 2h 00 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6StSaFjYl6g
British Flattard Nathan Oaklay abuses american flattard Witsit Getsit and friends

[publicduende]

Why is this thread still ongoing?

[galii]

Why is this thread still ongoing?

Because it is the best thread on HA.

Pixel Dude and Yohann already are members. Come join. Don't be shy.

[Yohan]

Why is this thread still ongoing?

Why not?

Alone the life of Al-Biruni, who is not so well-known in Western countries is worth a discussion.

Do you know that Al-Biruni was born in Usbekistan and an entire city where he was born is named after him?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beruniy

The city underwent many name changes, including Fil and Shobboz.
In 1957, it was renamed Beruniy in honor of the scholar and polymath Abū Rayḥān al-Bīrūnī who was born and raised in the town.

Also a crater on the moon was named after him
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Biruni_(crater)

And also '936 Al-Biruni', an asteroid, was named after him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9936_Al-Biruni

[galii]

Why is this thread still ongoing?

Why not?

Alone the life of Al-Biruni, who is not so well-known in Western countries is worth a discussion.

Do you know that Al-Biruni was born in Usbekistan and an entire city where he was born is named after him?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beruniy

The city underwent many name changes, including Fil and Shobboz.
In 1957, it was renamed Beruniy in honor of the scholar and polymath Abū Rayḥān al-Bīrūnī who was born and raised in the town.

Also a crater on the moon was named after him
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Biruni_(crater)

And also '936 Al-Biruni', an asteroid, was named after him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9936_Al-Biruni

I love that stuff too. So much interesting things to learn. Life is not only about simping for women.lol.

[Yohan]

@Yohan the video you shared does give a good argument against flat earth. The only problem is that I really hate that sanctimonious prick Professor Dave. The stars argument is a good one though. It would be interesting to see @gsjackson or @Winston attempt to refute it.

Maybe such a website fits you better than 'Dave'?

https://www.spacecentre.nz
https://www.spacecentre.nz/resources/
https://www.spacecentre.nz/resources/faq/
https://www.spacecentre.nz/resources/fa ... arth/flat/

[galii]

@Yohan the video you shared does give a good argument against flat earth. The only problem is that I really hate that sanctimonious prick Professor Dave. The stars argument is a good one though. It would be interesting to see @gsjackson or @Winston attempt to refute it.

This guy 'Flat Earth Math' is the 'Anti-Prof. Dave'. He is the Mother Theresa and Gandhi of Globers. He is extremely respectful.
He tries to bring people out and do their own experiments. This is his channel. I listed for the experiments:

https://www.youtube.com/@FlatEarthMath/ ... xperiments

[Yohan]

@Pixel--Dude

This is maybe an interesting article for Pixel-Dude, link for full text below.

@Pixel--Dude
I agree that the simulation theory or these kind of theories have their legitimacy depending on the context. In this thread I do not think they have the legitimacy.

Why does simulation theory not have legitimacy when discussing flat earth? When trying to ascertain the nature of reality we could combine simulation theory with flat earth to add credence to the theory.

We can't just dismiss simulation theory because it could make flat earth a possibility. If anything we should entertain the theory and challenge our own beliefs with a critical mind.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... ve-it.html

Are we living in a simulation? Scientist claims we're simply characters in an advanced virtual world - and says he has an easy way to prove it
Physics professor outlines the clues that suggest this world is not what it seems
He has also devised an experiment to test if we’re living in a computer simulation

28 December 2023

If you feel like you're living in a computer simulation like The Matrix, you might actually be onto something.

That's according to Melvin Vopson, an associate professor in physics at the University of Portsmouth.

Our lives contains several clues that suggest we're merely characters in an advanced virtual world, he claims – and he's planning an experiment to prove it.

For example, the fact there's limits to how fast light and sound can travel suggest they may be governed by the speed of a computer processor, according to the expert.

The laws of physics that govern the universe are also akin to computer code, he says, while elementary particles that make up matter are like pixels.

Melvin Vopson, an associate professor in physics at the University of Portsmouth, has outlined the clues that suggest we live in a simulated reality

Is this the real life? An expert: maybe not

One of the most convincing clues, however, is the symmetry that we observe in the everyday world, from butterflies to flowers, snowflakes and starfish.

Symmetry is everywhere because it's how the machines 'render the digitally constructed world', Professor Vopson told MailOnline.

'This abundance of symmetry (rather than asymmetry) in the universe is something that has never been explained,' he said.

[galii]

Nathan Oaklay is a flat earther who is basically in fight with the dominant flat earth group around Witsit Getsit.

Here Nathan took a respectable challenge. He gets questioned by 3 no flerfs it seems.

https://rumble.com/v24ss9i-the-earth-ch ... m-et-.html
The Earth Chronicles Ep 6: FLAT EARTH DEBATE

Edit

Grifterflatters Witsit and Appdave get challenged
https://www.youtube.com/live/lWRbPOfE7E ... ture=share

edit 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eepKLrFPyAs&t=2s
DEBATISM Ep 14: Craig FTFE vs. Jeran from JERANISM -Earth Shape: What we are taught or not? 12/27/23

edit 3
In the Nathan debate it appears to be 2 globers against 2 flerfs

edit 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ATeeiuA5yc
What happens when a flat earther quits?
SciManDan
How a popular flatearther became a glober influencer

[Yohan]

These videos are crazy, to be honest.
These people talking something and are unable to clearly present their opinion, as they are always interrupted,

There should be a setup like a presentation - every person has 20 minutes to present his opinion - and then the next one who has an opposite opinion can also speak - they should talk one after the other, but not all at the same time.

[galii]

These videos are crazy, to be honest.
These people talking something and are unable to clearly present their opinion, as they are always interrupted,

There should be a setup like a presentation - every person has 20 minutes to present his opinion - and then the next one who has an opposite opinion can also speak - they should talk one after the other, but not all at the same time.

Actually there is the platform 'modern day debates' . There is also a moderator and things are professional there. The thing is the flattard grifters don't like it because they got exposed there. They mostly do their debates now on their platform to have the control and more importantly to have the money.


Edit 1

There are still anti globers who do ok job moderating their discussion.

The anti gloober Jeranism makes a ok job. His globe guests McToon and FTFE are good glober guests there. I did put the links somewhere in the thread.


Edit 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8t1OAyHeWA
Interview With an Ex-flat Earther!
SciManDan

edit3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ZYBNOKKHE
Michael sartain vs appdave and jeran

Edit 4

I posted before Nathan Oaklay video on rumble. Where he looks like a psychopath.
Now there is this one weirdo 'Mindshock' who did a review of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAviuAqSO7Q