Getting accused of being a pedophile

[Rock]

I'm in Barrio Bareta area of Subic Bay now. Went to a go-go / slash pub w my girlfriend who just came down to join me. Saw a punter come in with 2 girls, one looked very suspicious and the other was surely under 15. The girls were just standing behind him giving him a shoulder and body massage and it was looking pretty intimate. I couldn't help myself so I asked the waitress about it (usually I mind my own business) and she in turn said something to the girl. She came back and told me the girl claimed to be 19 but I could tell by the look in her eyes and the way she answered that she didn't buy it anymore than me. But that was it. She didn't say anything to the manager and the behavior continued. I don't think that would be tolerated in a Manila or Angeles City bar (you need to be 18 or over just to enter). But apparently, this shit may be getting less attention in more out of the way places.

Don't get me wrong. I think its a shame how the US has made adult males guilty of being a creepy pedo or stalker if anything he does could possibly be misinterpreted along those lines. But I am still totally against the 'real deals', the guys who come out to Asia to abuse children and if I see them, I want them to be stopped immediately. I've always considered 18 as a cut-off age unless local laws fix it higher. But a lot of late teenagers are still like children inside so even 18 or 19 to early 20s can be a gray area IMO.

[momopi]

Generally speaking, I define morality as religious-influenced values based on the concept of good vs. evil, and ethics as a secular or philosophical value based on the concept of right vs. wrong. And then there are "social norms" that do not qualify as a moral or ethical issue.

Age discrimination in dating and marriage is more of a "social norm" than moral or ethical issue. From self-interest perspective, if you were a young college guy, you'd hate to see 50 year old wealthy men "take" your college girls. And as an older man, you'd want the young college girls to be open to dating you. If you want to make an ethical issue out of it, I'd say that it's better for people to date within their general age range or within acceptable customary/social norms. This does not mean being restricted to dating someone your own age, as social norms lean toward older men with younger women within x year age difference.

In places with more poverty & wealth gap, you're more likely to find older men & younger women couplings. An extreme scenario would be a poor farming village where most of the single young women have left to either work in the cities or married off as a mail order bride to a foreigner. In 1995, there were 1,476 mail order brides from Vietnam in Taiwan. By 2003 there were over 60,000, and by 2007 there were 75,000. The typical age for the Taiwanese groom was 36-38, while the brides are much younger. There were so many Taiwanese men going to Vietnam and depopulating young girls from local villages, both governments had to step in to put a stop to it. From a personal freedom's perspective, we'd like to think that people should have the right to choose whoever they want to marry (so long as they're consenting adults). But from the Vietnamese government's perspective, the Taiwanese (and S. Korean) men are taking the girls and creating gender imbalance in the villages, leaving future social problems that they'd have to deal with. There is no "free lunch" here, someone will end up paying for it sooner or later.




"Vietnamese bride introduction, guaranteed to marry and relocate within 3 months, only NT 20,000."
"Four guarantees: 1. Guaranteed to be virgin, 2. Complete marriage and relocation within 3 months, 3. no additional fees, 4. if she runs away within the year, the agency will provide replacement bride at no cost."

[Rock]

Generally speaking, I define morality as religious-influenced values based on the concept of good vs. evil, and ethics as a secular or philosophical value based on the concept of right vs. wrong. And then there are "social norms" that do not qualify as a moral or ethical issue.

Age discrimination in dating and marriage is more of a "social norm" than moral or ethical issue. From self-interest perspective, if you were a young college guy, you'd hate to see 50 year old wealthy men "take" your college girls. And as an older man, you'd want the young college girls to be open to dating you. If you want to make an ethical issue out of it, I'd say that it's better for people to date within their general age range or within acceptable customary/social norms. This does not mean being restricted to dating someone your own age, as social norms lean toward older men with younger women within x year age difference.

In places with more poverty & wealth gap, you're more likely to find older men & younger women couplings. An extreme scenario would be a poor farming village where most of the single young women have left to either work in the cities or married off as a mail order bride to a foreigner. In 1995, there were 1,476 mail order brides from Vietnam in Taiwan. By 2003 there were over 60,000, and by 2007 there were 75,000. The typical age for the Taiwanese groom was 36-38, while the brides are much younger. There were so many Taiwanese men going to Vietnam and depopulating young girls from local villages, both governments had to step in to put a stop to it. From a personal freedom's perspective, we'd like to think that people should have the right to choose whoever they want to marry (so long as they're consenting adults). But from the Vietnamese government's perspective, the Taiwanese (and S. Korean) men are taking the girls and creating gender imbalance in the villages, leaving future social problems that they'd have to deal with. There is no "free lunch" here, someone will end up paying for it sooner or later.




"Vietnamese bride introduction, guaranteed to marry and relocate within 3 months, only NT 20,000."
"Four guarantees: 1. Guaranteed to be virgin, 2. Complete marriage and relocation within 3 months, 3. no additional fees, 4. if she runs away within the year, the agency will provide replacement bride at no cost."

Morals and ethics are subjective. If we want to be exact, I suppose there are some 6 bn or so sets of standards, a different one for each person on the planet. Moreover, these standards are context dependent - people generally apply much easier one when judging themselves, family members, close friends, or others they like than when judging strangers or especially those they do not like.

But certain intentions and actions fall within the bounds of clearly wrong for most so-called reasonable people from most developed countries. Killing a random person is probably considered a serious wrong by over 95% of the population. A grown man (especially an older one) connecting intimately with an early to mid-teens girl is probably going to be considered wrong by most as well. Just imagine the girl as you daughter or younger sister to see how it makes you feel. Even most prisoners loathe inmates convicted on pedo crimes. When someone sees something he or she believes is clearly wrong, its natural for him or her to want to see it stop unless they have a beneficial stake and are corrupted. People are masters at rationalizing and justifying their own bad deeds.

BTW, I like the last part of your post about guaranteeing the bride won't run away for a whole year. Gives you an idea of how these girls may often react to their new husbands.

[TRADER1972]

I was in my 30ies and had an 18 year old girlfriend and people in the US would grumble and call me all sorts of names. But they had their 40 year old wives whom they probably could not stand by now and here I enter with my photos of my 18 year old tropical flower. Jealousy unbridled. You sicko! ( read- You devil, you! Look who you've brung up, I'd give an arm and a leg just to talk to one like that for 5 minutes, and you spent night after night with that girl in bed doing all kinds of wild things! I am dying of jealousy)

That is exactly what is boils down to.
Screw them! They wanted to marry a white woman who turned into a whale by 40, tough crap.
God, are there any AW who are not miserable bitches by 40?

I guess the considerate thing to do is not advertise to the guys the girls you are with or your girlfriends because they are most likely just going to get really jealous and steamed.

[TRADER1972]

I was participating in a study at a college I attended to find out if older men should be with younger women. After contacting a lot of psychologists and marriage counselors, among many other types of people, we found out it is indeed what nature intended! A lot of people in our society won't believe this, but the best relationships do have at least a 15 year age difference.

Any evidence to support that would be greatly appreciated.

[TRADER1972]

I'm not saying its impossible for the old bull in SE Asia to find some nice fresh grass to chew on. .

Best line I have heard in a while.

[TRADER1972]

Anyway, as far as being accused because one is around kids, when I was in Ukraine, one girl told me a story about a Ukrainian guy who went to the US and as he would do in his home country, he met some kids and started taking pictures with them. I guess he patted one kid on the head or seated someone on his knee (in Ukraine it is normal to make friends with kids, and paedos are virtually unknown as there are also virtually no gays/lesbians) and someone reported him. He was arrested and put in prison for 6 months, then he was deported from the US and banned from Schengen countries as well- for life!
I am sure that his explanations of how it is in Ukraine did not convince the judge.

This is exactly whats wrong with America. The INJUSTICE system. I mean, it would be odd to have a stranger do that here, not that its bad, but some photos and a child on the knee gets 6 months in prison? And deportation?

Hell, Mary Kay Letourneau "plead guilty and was convicted of two counts of second-degree child rape. She was sentenced to six months in the county jail."

Are the "crimes" in any way equal?

[TRADER1972]

Today, there is an ideological war against men in America. The feminists are a hate group whose motive is to slander the reputation of straight men, setting them up for the persecution to come.

Truer words have never been spoken. Quite a shame isn't it?

[TRADER1972]

This is in no way to justify pedophilia, but I wonder if the age difference stigma in the US contributes to wayward men seeking out vulnerable children who are easier to manipulate and exploit.

Pedophilia is only an epidemic in the US and other countries where anything more than 2 to 3 years age difference is a scandal. Again, this is just a theory as to its potential cause, not a justification.

If these men could interact with young twenty-somethings, maybe they would less inclined to resort to children. Thoughts?

I think your views are correct.
Use Dateline To Catch a Predator as the example.

In this country, a guy in his late 30s-50 is in a tough situation. The girls his own age are useless,past expiration date or uninterested.

The younger girls (20s) will not be interested in him unless he has money or famous, etc.

Prostitution is illegal and not always easy to come by.

Imagine how many MILLIONS of SEXUALLY FRUSTRATED MEN BETWEEN 35-55 exist in America?

So then these guys go online and start chatting. As soon as they are told the girl is 15 they should log off but they no longer think rationally because they are so sexually frustrated and the next thing you know they find out who Chris Hansen is.

I actually feel sort of sorry fro most of these guys. These guys are not pedophiles, they are horny guys with few options. These same guys would not have to resort to this in most other developing countries because women of various types would be more easily available.

[odbo]

So then these guys go online and start chatting. As soon as they are told the girl is 15 they should log off but they no longer think rationally because they are so sexually frustrated and the next thing you know they find out who Chris Hansen is.

I actually feel sort of sorry fro most of these guys. These guys are not pedophiles, they are horny guys with few options. These same guys would not have to resort to this in most other developing countries because women of various types would be more easily available.

That show has several purposes. One is to demean men and make females further paranoid of them. But the main purpose seems to be altering people's perception of what a paedophile is. Paedophiles don't target 12-16 year old girls like that garbage show portrays, 5-10 year old boys are and always have been the main target of these Judaic, Catholic, pederasts who run our world.

Host of "To Catch a Predator" Chris Hansen gets raped

[TRADER1972]

That video is damn funny!

[Inter2002]

I am male. I totally understand men and what they are going through. i have next door neighbors whom are straight from mexico. Their kids i LOVE. and the kids are excited to see me. i enjoy playing with them and so do the kids. what is funny is that non of the mexican people around have a problem with this not even the mexican family do. they see me doing it. but they don't see me as a predator stalking kids or anything.

instead its americans i see that are next door neighbors staring at me with an angry look, especially women. these americans gossip about me ( i found this out from a friend ). they see me as a rapist or something. HAHAHAHA. Im not.

and as soon as i get myself cash money in hand i am getting out and living either in eastern europe or maybe even mexico. mexicans are so friendly, i feel comfortable around them.

Especially the mexican women. they are super easy to meet. they REALLY enjoy me flirting with them. they have charisma. they actually get physical when they flirt with me in public. i can not wait. i am tired of being american.

Are you a white American? Well I'm Hispanic and I have to say that is true what you've said. I remember a few times in the past which was 11 years ago back when I was 17, my sister who was 8 at that time, both of use were waiting in this room, then a mother with 2 girls one was like 7 and the other was like 10 got to socialize with us, and play with my sister. The mother was totally fine with it.

[Mr Natural]

Use Dateline To Catch a Predator as the example.

In every episode I remember, the actual girl they used to lure the guy into the house was something like 20 or 21 years old. Maybe they did say online she was 15 or whatever, but people online aren't exactly known for truthfulness. However, the girl they follow into the house (and presumably used for pics online) is always clearly over 18. Seems like any decent lawyer would destroy those cases in court as long as the guy didn't convict himself. I remember wondering how the cases turned out.

[Rock]

Use Dateline To Catch a Predator as the example.

In every episode I remember, the actual girl they used to lure the guy into the house was something like 20 or 21 years old. Maybe they did say online she was 15 or whatever, but people online aren't exactly known for truthfulness. However, the girl they follow into the house (and presumably used for pics online) is always clearly over 18. Seems like any decent lawyer would destroy those cases in court as long as the guy didn't convict himself. I remember wondering how the cases turned out.

Noooo, the crimes they were convicted of was soliciting sex with a minor online. Some states have stricter laws on that than others but I believe in all cases, as long as the chat logs could be attributed to the suspect and the suspect was 18 or older, he could easily be charged and convicted of a serious felony sex offense. As I remember, not every single guy was convicted though. In the early days, they didn't even work with police. But I believe the conviction rate after they started working with perverted justice and the police was at least 85%.

[Inter2002]

Use Dateline To Catch a Predator as the example.

In every episode I remember, the actual girl they used to lure the guy into the house was something like 20 or 21 years old. Maybe they did say online she was 15 or whatever, but people online aren't exactly known for truthfulness. However, the girl they follow into the house (and presumably used for pics online) is always clearly over 18. Seems like any decent lawyer would destroy those cases in court as long as the guy didn't convict himself. I remember wondering how the cases turned out.

Noooo, the crimes they were convicted of was soliciting sex with a minor online. Some states have stricter laws on that than others but I believe in all cases, as long as the chat logs could be attributed to the suspect and the suspect was 18 or older, he could easily be charged and convicted of a serious felony sex offense. As I remember, not every single guy was convicted though. In the early days, they didn't even work with police. But I believe the conviction rate after they started working with perverted justice and the police was at least 85%.

I feel that those shows created more paranoia, throughout society. Pedophiles have been around forever, whether let it be 10,20,50,80,100 years ago. I think that today it's just that the news is reporting more of sexual offenses against a minor, whereas in the past it was barely reported throughout the media. Still the this statistic holds true today that 76% of sexual abuse, rape against a minor is someone who THEY KNOW. Whereas the 24% accounts for STRANGER DANGER.