would you rather 'pay'for it and bang 10s or wife up a mid bitch?

[willymonfrete]

I've been thinking about something lately,that is,most women are not 10s,most well the 95% of women out there are mid at best.so even if you looksmaxed,the chances of landing more than a 5/10 is slim at best.

most tens,they go for money and status.you didn't see a 10 at the grocery store,true 10s are on yachts and mansion parties,usually for sex like dan bilerian the billionare hires them.pretty women,exceptionally pretty women at that,are expensive and cost consuming.They have inflated egos etc and they always think they're better than you.It takes the wall,and the lack of male attention when the wall hits,to humble said women who are has beens.

But then you're settling for a woman that is settling for you,and wouldn't of had you in their early 20s.

Now take paying for it,some escort agencies only hire legit model tier women,they of course cost more than run off the mill agencies according to my research when I was living in holland where said stuff is fully legal,but it is much much cheaper than a 10 by relationship acquisition.

You can bang multiple ones,no matter how you look,and there is no difference between that and a golddigger 10 just that the former are cheaper and more upfront about their intentions.

I like sex,and banging tens,which I have done in amsterdam by paying for it was a much better experience and more thrilling and makes me feel like a man more than banging not so special women that liked me.

What would you rather do?Tradcons want us to betabux a mid woman,but I do not see that as appealing.

I am a christian but believe the bible,thus free grace and justification by faith alone.I would love a super hot poor wife from the likes of india or ethiopia but its not gonna be easy.I don't know what is best in this case?

what would you do?

[Lucas88]

what would you do?

I have no intention to wife up any "mid bitch" as you put it. Investing all of your resources into and giving up your freedom for a woman of mediocre looks who will most likely start to bore you or even make your life miserable a couple of years down the line is an extremely bad proposition. More often than not TMM (traditional monogamous marriage) is a dud product for men. Tradcons are idiots.

In light of this truth, I'd rather have a series of friends-with-benefits type relationships (usually more fun and a lot less stressful than those emotionally charged and schizophrenic romantic relationships) with average Latinas and Mulatas and then pay for sex with a smoking-hot modelesque "9" or "10" from time to time in a country where the price of escorts is reasonable such as Spain. The latter is simply to satiate my desire for certain perfected types of beauty rather than out of desperation.

Let's be honest, relationships suck. They are full of drama, take time away from more edifying pursuits, and often subject one or both people to gaslighting, emotional abuse and weird forms of codependency. Furthermore, couples usually fall out of love, grow to hate one another, sometimes start cheating as a way to cope with a loveless union, or one ends up being abandoned and having their heart broken by the other, which in turn gives rise to all kinds of psychological trauma. To me, TMM just seems like insanity.

I know that you mention religion and talk about the Bible and free grace. I'm not a Christian but I do believe that everything is the creation of a Primordial Intelligence and that our individual souls incarnate into the material world in order to accumulate experiences and evolve. I don't view sex between consenting adults as a "sin" but rather view it simply as a natural phenomenon and an interaction of energy completely devoid of any moral implications. I therefore find no shame or guilt in sex.

[WanderingProtagonist]

what would you do?

I have no intention to wife up any "mid bitch" as you put it. Investing all of your resources into and giving up your freedom for a woman of mediocre looks who will most likely start to bore you or even make your life miserable a couple of years down the line is an extremely bad proposition. More often than not TMM (traditional monogamous marriage) is a dud product for men. Tradcons are idiots.

In light of this truth, I'd rather have a series of friends-with-benefits type relationships (usually more fun and a lot less stressful than those emotionally charged and schizophrenic romantic relationships) with average Latinas and Mulatas and then pay for sex with a smoking-hot modelesque "9" or "10" from time to time in a country where the price of escorts is reasonable such as Spain. The latter is simply to satiate my desire for certain perfected types of beauty rather than out of desperation.

Let's be honest, relationships suck. They are full of drama, take time away from more edifying pursuits, and often subject one or both people to gaslighting, emotional abuse and weird forms of codependency. Furthermore, couples usually fall out of love, grow to hate one another, sometimes start cheating as a way to cope with a loveless union, or one ends up being abandoned and having their heart broken by the other, which in turn gives rise to all kinds of psychological trauma. To me, TMM just seems like insanity.

I know that you mention religion and talk about the Bible and free grace. I'm not a Christian but I do believe that everything is the creation of a Primordial Intelligence and that our individual souls incarnate into the material world in order to accumulate experiences and evolve. I don't view sex between consenting adults as a "sin" but rather view it simply as a natural phenomenon and an interaction of energy completely devoid of any moral implications. I therefore find no shame or guilt in sex.

I honestly believe relationships can and do often work, it just really depends on where you live in this world. You have people who have been together with the same person since they were in highschool and have never have had any problems what so ever in their relationship. They do exist, its just that nowadays it's hard to keep a person from straying. Me personally I can't do the type of thing you do I would go mad not having someone close to me. Take those men who are married to women from the countryside in Europe. Those relationships are very strong compared to relationships formed out of the city. So I think it just depends on circumstances and factors. Traditional women aren't so bad, they are just rare in the Western world because of what the culture promotes. That's what makes it so damn hard to near impossible to build up something meaningful. I also understand that commitment is not something everyone wants...I'm sure lots of those OF chicks feel so free being able to f**k as many men as they want. That's why I can never be into such women. It would be hard for me to f**k someone I don't care about, pass her off to someone else, move to the next girl, rinse and repeat. I'd struggle with such a life.

[WanderingProtagonist]

I've been thinking about something lately,that is,most women are not 10s,most well the 95% of women out there are mid at best.so even if you looksmaxed,the chances of landing more than a 5/10 is slim at best.

most tens,they go for money and status.you didn't see a 10 at the grocery store,true 10s are on yachts and mansion parties,usually for sex like dan bilerian the billionare hires them.pretty women,exceptionally pretty women at that,are expensive and cost consuming.They have inflated egos etc and they always think they're better than you.It takes the wall,and the lack of male attention when the wall hits,to humble said women who are has beens.

But then you're settling for a woman that is settling for you,and wouldn't of had you in their early 20s.

Now take paying for it,some escort agencies only hire legit model tier women,they of course cost more than run off the mill agencies according to my research when I was living in holland where said stuff is fully legal,but it is much much cheaper than a 10 by relationship acquisition.

You can bang multiple ones,no matter how you look,and there is no difference between that and a golddigger 10 just that the former are cheaper and more upfront about their intentions.

I like sex,and banging tens,which I have done in amsterdam by paying for it was a much better experience and more thrilling and makes me feel like a man more than banging not so special women that liked me.

What would you rather do?Tradcons want us to betabux a mid woman,but I do not see that as appealing.

I am a christian but believe the bible,thus free grace and justification by faith alone.I would love a super hot poor wife from the likes of india or ethiopia but its not gonna be easy.I don't know what is best in this case?

what would you do?

I honestly can't do the pay for it thing like some men can, I would rather just stay alone..It's hard for me but I don't see how paying for it would change or make me feel better. While I understand what @Lucas88 was saying when he mentioned a lot of negatives. I do to some extent see a few positives in having your own girlfriend. It's just in this day and age the culture is garbage where I am. America doesn't exactly promote loyalty, devotion, or honor. And then you have those men who are happy to cuck and be abused by their own woman because they have shit self esteem anyway and don't care. As for me I just want to meet one girl I can be involved with, messing around with multiple females would bore the shit out of me. Women only have inflated egos because of all the attention they get....Like I said before, there are a shit ton of women on Onlyfans and I can tell none of them care about ever settling or having one man in their life. They rather exploit male loneliness and get paid for it.

[jamesbond]

I've been thinking about something lately,that is,most women are not 10s,most well the 95% of women out there are mid at best.so even if you looksmaxed,the chances of landing more than a 5/10 is slim at best.

most tens,they go for money and status.you didn't see a 10 at the grocery store,true 10s are on yachts and mansion parties,usually for sex like dan bilerian the billionare hires them.pretty women,exceptionally pretty women at that,are expensive and cost consuming.They have inflated egos etc and they always think they're better than you.It takes the wall,and the lack of male attention when the wall hits,to humble said women who are has beens.

But then you're settling for a woman that is settling for you,and wouldn't of had you in their early 20s.

Now take paying for it,some escort agencies only hire legit model tier women,they of course cost more than run off the mill agencies according to my research when I was living in holland where said stuff is fully legal,but it is much much cheaper than a 10 by relationship acquisition.

You can bang multiple ones,no matter how you look,and there is no difference between that and a golddigger 10 just that the former are cheaper and more upfront about their intentions.

I like sex,and banging tens,which I have done in amsterdam by paying for it was a much better experience and more thrilling and makes me feel like a man more than banging not so special women that liked me.

What would you rather do?Tradcons want us to betabux a mid woman,but I do not see that as appealing.

I am a christian but believe the bible,thus free grace and justification by faith alone.I would love a super hot poor wife from the likes of india or ethiopia but its not gonna be easy.I don't know what is best in this case?

what would you do?

There have been studies done that show that when it comes to sex, it's actually cheaper to use escorts than it is to have a girlfriend. The amount of money you spend on your girlfriend (dinners, dates, birthday gifts, Christmas gifts, vacations) far outweigh the amount of money you would spend on an escort.

In a lot of European countries it's only 70 Euros to hire an escort. In southeast Asia, it's even cheaper than that. Also, some escorts let you have a "girlfriend experience" also known as a "GFE" where the two of you can go to dinner or a movie together.

[willymonfrete]

I have no intention to wife up any "mid bitch" as you put it. Investing all of your resources into and giving up your freedom for a woman of mediocre looks who will most likely start to bore you or even make your life miserable a couple of years down the line is an extremely bad proposition. More often than not TMM (traditional monogamous marriage) is a dud product for men. Tradcons are idiots.

Well said brother!I couldn't imagine wifing up a not so special woman that doesn't thrill me everytime I look at her,ready to pounce!looksmaxing is a dead end in this regard,true hotties go for money and status,but then the relationship is still escortcelling anyway.

do Traditional conservatives not get marriage for the sake of marriage is just a meme and a blind idea from their adherence to fundementalism?

In light of this truth, I'd rather have a series of friends-with-benefits type relationships (usually more fun and a lot less stressful than those emotionally charged and schizophrenic romantic relationships) with average Latinas and Mulatas and then pay for sex with a smoking-hot modelesque "9" or "10" from time to time in a country where the price of escorts is reasonable such as Spain. The latter is simply to satiate my desire for certain perfected types of beauty rather than out of desperation.

Same,I want FWB for validation here and there,but ultimately want to bang women that excite me.

Let's be honest, relationships suck. They are full of drama, take time away from more edifying pursuits, and often subject one or both people to gaslighting, emotional abuse and weird forms of codependency. Furthermore, couples usually fall out of love, grow to hate one another, sometimes start cheating as a way to cope with a loveless union, or one ends up being abandoned and having their heart broken by the other, which in turn gives rise to all kinds of psychological trauma. To me, TMM just seems like insanity.

Well said!how are tradcons going to give every man that joins their movement a wife that is actually loveable?most women are mid and not a good investment of time,labor,money or loyalty.

I know that you mention religion and talk about the Bible and free grace. I'm not a Christian but I do believe that everything is the creation of a Primordial Intelligence and that our individual souls incarnate into the material world in order to accumulate experiences and evolve. I don't view sex between consenting adults as a "sin" but rather view it simply as a natural phenomenon and an interaction of energy completely devoid of any moral implications. I therefore find no shame or guilt in sex.

I just put this there because certain fundies accuse me of being a hell bound sinner because I do not want to marry a traditional woman,usually only option is the phillipines,full of mid and ugly women with wierd accents and boyish bodies.

[willymonfrete]

I've been thinking about something lately,that is,most women are not 10s,most well the 95% of women out there are mid at best.so even if you looksmaxed,the chances of landing more than a 5/10 is slim at best.

most tens,they go for money and status.you didn't see a 10 at the grocery store,true 10s are on yachts and mansion parties,usually for sex like dan bilerian the billionare hires them.pretty women,exceptionally pretty women at that,are expensive and cost consuming.They have inflated egos etc and they always think they're better than you.It takes the wall,and the lack of male attention when the wall hits,to humble said women who are has beens.

But then you're settling for a woman that is settling for you,and wouldn't of had you in their early 20s.

Now take paying for it,some escort agencies only hire legit model tier women,they of course cost more than run off the mill agencies according to my research when I was living in holland where said stuff is fully legal,but it is much much cheaper than a 10 by relationship acquisition.

You can bang multiple ones,no matter how you look,and there is no difference between that and a golddigger 10 just that the former are cheaper and more upfront about their intentions.

I like sex,and banging tens,which I have done in amsterdam by paying for it was a much better experience and more thrilling and makes me feel like a man more than banging not so special women that liked me.

What would you rather do?Tradcons want us to betabux a mid woman,but I do not see that as appealing.

I am a christian but believe the bible,thus free grace and justification by faith alone.I would love a super hot poor wife from the likes of india or ethiopia but its not gonna be easy.I don't know what is best in this case?

what would you do?

There have been studies done that show that when it comes to sex, it's actually cheaper to use escorts than it is to have a girlfriend. The amount of money you spend on your girlfriend (dinners, dates, birthday gifts, Christmas gifts, vacations) far outweigh the amount of money you would spend on an escort.

In a lot of European countries it's only 70 Euros to hire an escort. In southeast Asia, it's even cheaper than that. Also, some escorts let you have a "girlfriend experience" also known as a "GFE" where the two of you can go to dinner or a movie together.

look at austin dunham,who is a roided high tier normie,sure women simp over him but they're all ugly and mid.the redpill lie that looks mean hot women,is just that,a lie.

if you want hot women,pay for it.

[MrMan]

There have been studies done that show that when it comes to sex, it's actually cheaper to use escorts than it is to have a girlfriend. The amount of money you spend on your girlfriend (dinners, dates, birthday gifts, Christmas gifts, vacations) far outweigh the amount of money you would spend on an escort.

In a lot of European countries it's only 70 Euros to hire an escort. In southeast Asia, it's even cheaper than that. Also, some escorts let you have a "girlfriend experience" also known as a "GFE" where the two of you can go to dinner or a movie together.

It would not just be 70 Euros or whatever if you pay for dinner and a movie. Does she pay for hers out of her fee? I don't think so. Maybe if she doesn't want to sleep with her and it's 70 an hour she might.

Technically 'escort' does not mean prostitute or is vague enough to try to raise some legal doubt. Supposedly you are hiring a girl to go on a date, like if you have an event. Does the girl ask for a prostitution fee on top of the escort fee? Your prices may be too low.

I was just thinking about my first couple of years of marriage before pregnancy got too far along with the first baby, and unless we were sick or travelling, my wife gave me some kind of action every night. Intercourse for her was every other night when she wasn't having her period. Maybe the female body is a bit less resilient. But I was getting some kind of action every afternoon/night if one of us wasn't sick or if we weren't traveling or something like that. If there were 50 'normal' weeks, action every night at that low 70 Euro price, that would come out to about $22,785 a year. Having a girlfriend is probably cheaper in Indonesia. The prices were a bit cheaper or there are some cheaper options.

When I married my wife, prices were a lot cheaper, still having not adjusted after the currency crisis.

So just a financial consideration, $22,785 a year worth of sex, but then she's keeping the place clean, cooking for me, and I get all kinds of real companionship, the experience of being loved, someone to build a life with. I married a virgin who had the moral character not to sleep around on me, so I had no fear of STDs with all the guilt free sex I needed. And if I wanted to go out, I didn't have to hire an extra escort to accompany me so I wouldn't be alone for social occasions in addition to the sexual activity. I don't have to put any parts in an orifices where 5k, 10k, 20k, or 50k other guys have been and left their most intimate, sometimes disease-ridden infected fluids. No HIV, warts, herpies, or long list of other diseases that you haven't even heard of.

My wife has been stay-at-home while I worked, but she has done a lot at different times to bring finances into the household. Her talent and most of the labor was behind a business we did in grad school. I did a lot of the physical heavy lifting, but the amount of work she put into it was incredible. That could be increasing by quite a bit in the future, too.

[willymonfrete]

There have been studies done that show that when it comes to sex, it's actually cheaper to use escorts than it is to have a girlfriend. The amount of money you spend on your girlfriend (dinners, dates, birthday gifts, Christmas gifts, vacations) far outweigh the amount of money you would spend on an escort.

In a lot of European countries it's only 70 Euros to hire an escort. In southeast Asia, it's even cheaper than that. Also, some escorts let you have a "girlfriend experience" also known as a "GFE" where the two of you can go to dinner or a movie together.

It would not just be 70 Euros or whatever if you pay for dinner and a movie. Does she pay for hers out of her fee? I don't think so. Maybe if she doesn't want to sleep with her and it's 70 an hour she might.

Technically 'escort' does not mean prostitute or is vague enough to try to raise some legal doubt. Supposedly you are hiring a girl to go on a date, like if you have an event. Does the girl ask for a prostitution fee on top of the escort fee? Your prices may be too low.

I was just thinking about my first couple of years of marriage before pregnancy got too far along with the first baby, and unless we were sick or travelling, my wife gave me some kind of action every night. Intercourse for her was every other night when she wasn't having her period. Maybe the female body is a bit less resilient. But I was getting some kind of action every afternoon/night if one of us wasn't sick or if we weren't traveling or something like that. If there were 50 'normal' weeks, action every night at that low 70 Euro price, that would come out to about $22,785 a year. Having a girlfriend is probably cheaper in Indonesia. The prices were a bit cheaper or there are some cheaper options.

When I married my wife, prices were a lot cheaper, still having not adjusted after the currency crisis.

So just a financial consideration, $22,785 a year worth of sex, but then she's keeping the place clean, cooking for me, and I get all kinds of real companionship, the experience of being loved, someone to build a life with. I married a virgin who had the moral character not to sleep around on me, so I had no fear of STDs with all the guilt free sex I needed. And if I wanted to go out, I didn't have to hire an extra escort to accompany me so I wouldn't be alone for social occasions in addition to the sexual activity. I don't have to put any parts in an orifices where 5k, 10k, 20k, or 50k other guys have been and left their most intimate, sometimes disease-ridden infected fluids. No HIV, warts, herpies, or long list of other diseases that you haven't even heard of.

My wife has been stay-at-home while I worked, but she has done a lot at different times to bring finances into the household. Her talent and most of the labor was behind a business we did in grad school. I did a lot of the physical heavy lifting, but the amount of work she put into it was incredible. That could be increasing by quite a bit in the future, too.

That's great and all but pretty asian girls are not attractive compared to other pretty women of other nationalities,and this is not possible for most men.not every guy has the white guy halo or chad looks like you did when you got her.

[MrMan]

I have no intention to wife up any "mid bitch" as you put it. Investing all of your resources into and giving up your freedom for a woman of mediocre looks who will most likely start to bore you or even make your life miserable a couple of years down the line is an extremely bad proposition. More often than not TMM (traditional monogamous marriage) is a dud product for men. Tradcons are idiots.

Well said brother!I couldn't imagine wifing up a not so special woman that doesn't thrill me everytime I look at her,ready to pounce!looksmaxing is a dead end in this regard,true hotties go for money and status,but then the relationship is still escortcelling anyway.

Well, every man has different tastes for looks, and I think some men aren't that particular (and hence end up with women that make you think the man isn't that particular.) But I couldn't help it. I wanted a pretty girl. I was selective, prayed a lot, and ended up with a woman whose looks appealed to me.

When I was young, I had a Korean English student probably in his early 30's. He invited me over to his house and gave me some unsolicited marital advice. He said that looks are important at first, but after you get married, they aren't the most important thing. He also talked with his dad about being sure enough to marry. He had said he was 67% sure. His dad said that was sure enough. They used to really marry them off in South Korea. I was there in the mid-1990's.

I have to agree that good character and getting along well are more important over all, but I also wanted to be able to tell my wife she was beautiful without feeling like I was lying. When I was at home alone with her, and she'd come out of the shower or we were engaging in some fun recreational activities alone, I wanted looking at her to thrill me. I think that's a normal desire.

If you marry a woman, you don't have to pick someone you consider 'mid-range.' I wouldn't even date a girl who I thought was definitely not 'marriagably good-looking.' I did date a couple of girls who were right at the bottom of my range, though. But my wife was a few notches up, for my own personal tastes. I know other men were vying for the attention of my 'lower range' dates, also.

If a girl is too good-looking, she might also get jealousy from other girls and some men might be afraid to approach her or have this attitude of 'what do you have to offer besides looks' so she might not always be a spoiled princess.

If little kids are cute in Indonesia, they call them 'ugly', too.

do Traditional conservatives not get marriage for the sake of marriage is just a meme and a blind idea from their adherence to fundementalism?

Sex outside of marriage is a sin. But I wanted sex... and marriage... with a beautiful woman. Fornicators who go out and get drunk probably have lower standards. A woman being just barely good-looking enough to have sex with, versus a woman who has to be good-looking enough to be the only women you ever have sex with... which one has to be good-looking. Like I said, some men aren't that particular, and that's how most people who marry not-the-best looking people end up together, or else they have different ideas of beauty and likes the looks of a woman I wouldn't care for that much. 'You have nice eyes' is what someone says when they get a partner who isn't the best looking, but has nice eyes. Of course, an attractive person could have especially pretty eyes, or a PUA tries not to over-complement a girl, so gives a little dose like that.

I suspect there are a lot of guys who have a 'low range' of their scale of looks for dating or sleeping around, the girl gets pregnant, the guy wants to be in the kids life, and he ends up marrying a woman not as good-looking as if he were picking one-and-only out for a life-long sex partner. Not as good-looking, or not as of high a moral character, or not as sane and stable.... There are also guys who get emotionally attached to a woman after hanging around with her and sleeping with her.

I just didn't date a girl unless she seemed to meet my basic standards and expectations, looks included. I didn't date all that much. I was selective. I didn't have to have someone on my arm. I could eat alone or with friends.

Well said!how are tradcons going to give every man that joins their movement a wife that is actually loveable?most women are mid and not a good investment of time,labor,money or loyalty.

I think I've got the quotes right, but I'm not sure if this is Willy.

Be happy if another man goes for 'mid' for looks. If she's a 9 or 10 for him, but a 4 or 5 for you, that leaves one more 8, 9, or 10 for looks on the marriage market for you. Let the other guys marry up the mids. It's all subjective.

I just put this there because certain fundies accuse me of being a hell bound sinner because I do not want to marry a traditional woman,usually only option is the phillipines,full of mid and ugly women with wierd accents and boyish bodies.

A raving feminist is NOT a traditional woman. It sounds like you WANT a traditional woman.

If you don't like the Filippina look, look elsewhere. I don't agree with your assessment of Filipinas. Lots of white women are mid or on the left of the bell curve for looks, and have boyish bodies. Some are fat. Some even have weird accents in the US, depending on your perspective. Sarah Palin wasn't a young woman on the marriage market when she ran for VP, but her accent was weird.

But don't you find some Filipinas to be attractive? I've seen some really beautiful faces on Filipinas. If you want a top-heavy woman, I mean by western standards, East or Southeast Asia is not the place to go. There is some range there. For me, I wanted a woman who had breasts and hips and buttocks-- shaped like a woman, not a boy. But I liked a thin woman with a flat stomach. The thin side of average build, with feminine jaw, girlish arms-- not fat or muscular arms or shoulders to model hourglass built was the range I found attractive. There were plenty of the thin, female shaped form in Southeast Asia.

Honestly, most Indonesian women's faces don't do much for me. It seems like 1- to 2% instead of 3 to 5% (like in the US or maybe China) of young, thin, college aged girl's looks might hit the minimum range for looks for me when I was young and looking for a wife. But there was the 1 to 2%, out of literally millions of people, where I was, I suppose, considered a prime catch, and the girls were seriously hoping for a marriage partner in the space of a few years. I was getting a lot of attention over there from girls, whether subtle cues or even direct statements of interest. When I first got there, a girl I had spoken with briefly at a bus stop gave me her business card-- with her name and phone number on it. Girls were sending gifts home with me to give my mom over Christmas (warm up a hopeful mother-in-law). Some were really direct with the flirtation. I even had a stalker. But if they weren't what I was looking for, I didn't ask them out just to have someone to date.

[Lucas88]

I honestly believe relationships can and do often work, it just really depends on where you live in this world. You have people who have been together with the same person since they were in highschool and have never have had any problems what so ever in their relationship. They do exist, its just that nowadays it's hard to keep a person from straying. Me personally I can't do the type of thing you do I would go mad not having someone close to me. Take those men who are married to women from the countryside in Europe. Those relationships are very strong compared to relationships formed out of the city. So I think it just depends on circumstances and factors. Traditional women aren't so bad, they are just rare in the Western world because of what the culture promotes. That's what makes it so damn hard to near impossible to build up something meaningful. I also understand that commitment is not something everyone wants...

With tradcon societies where you find couples who have been together for decades, you only see the happy and harmonious surface of fake smiles and appearances. But behind that happy and harmonious surface there often lies a dark underbelly of unhappiness, dysfunction, unfulfilled desires and all of the concomitant frustration, and cheating.

Now that I'm in my 30s and understand the ways of the world a bit better than I did in my naïve 20s, I consider TMM (traditional monogamous marriage) quite iffy to say the least. In societies that promote TMM, people are often encouraged to marry at a young age when they don't know anything about the world, and then are pressured to stay together and endure a loveless marriage even when they fall out of love, start to hate each other and feel unfulfilled. The result of this is droves of deeply unhappy and sexually and romantically frustrated people who outwardly feign normality for the sake of appearances and social respectability. However, people can only live like that for so long and before long you have both men and women sneaking around in the shadows and cheating on their spouse with other people. Many old-timers from that era will tell you just how much people cheated under the surface.

Back when I was in my early 20s, I thought that all manifestations of cheating were completely unacceptable. Boy was I naïve back then. In reality, many married people cheat not because they're dissolute sex maniacs but rather because they're trapped in unfulfilling marriages and need some sexual release and excitement in life in order to keep themselves sane. So the men go with prostitutes (often seen as the easiest option with less possibility of unwanted drama) or engage in hookups or extramarital affairs and the women often have their own love affairs too. Sometimes the woman knows that the man is sleeping with other women but doesn't even care. Their marriage is just for show, after all.

In many societies that have strict ideals pertaining to marriage, it is considered acceptable for married men to go with prostitutes. Thailand is one such society. Men are expected to fulfill their social responsibility of providing for their wives and raising a family but then at the same time fulfill their natural sexual desires with hoes at the local brothel. Even Japan with its obsession with appearances and social conformity is notoriously lenient when it comes to extramarital sex. Married men and women have affairs with somebody else in a love motel and there are sex services down every backstreet which cater to clients - often married men. Many Japanese couples don't even like each other and remain in sexless marriages. But people have to satisfy their sexual needs somehow.

So I now understand that TMM is iffy and doesn't work in most cases. And it's not just about "women these days are shit" either. More women these days are indeed shit due to a serious decline in culture and extensive social engineering on the part of the globalist elites, but even in more traditional societies the concept is already flawed due to its incompatibility with human nature. It only "works" when certain loopholes are permitted for people to achieve their much-needed releases. I'm sure that you will be able to find some examples of genuinely happy marriages that have lasted for 30 years or longer but they are not the norm.

I myself view TMM simply as an archaic and outmoded institution that may have had relevance in previous times but not today in the hypermodern 21st century.

Nowadays, after transcending the naïve notions of my 20s, I view relationships and encounters with women only in practical terms. Need sex and company? I'll look for a FWB type arrangement with a phat-ass Latina MILF (preferably verging on BBW proportions ) without any drama or emotional turbulence. Crave beauty? I'll hire an escort with modelesque looks and big silicone titties. Want progeny? I'll seek out an intelligent career woman who wants kids but doesn't care about having a relationship or an athletic female with good genetics (e.g., a preponderance of fast-twitch muscle fibers, somebody who does Jiujitsu like Mackenzie Dern) and come to an agreement on how we're gonna raise our kiddies without all of the restrictions and emotional ups and downs of married life or a relationship.

When it comes to procreation, I think that it makes more sense to seek out a mate on the basis of good genetic qualities, not anything as fuzzy and ephemeral as "love".

In fact, in the near future as technology advances, natural sexual selection will likely be largely replaced by preimplantation embryo selection together with gene editing using CRISP-Cas technology in order to artificially select for superior traits such as high intelligence, athleticism, good health, longevity, etc. I personally believe that this path is necessary for the improvement of the genetic health of humanity.

Of course, I wish well anybody who seeks to attempt TMM due to personal preferences and sincerely hope that it works out for them, but I myself find the arrangement iffy and antiquated and now consider things more in terms of their practical function.

[willymonfrete]

I honestly believe relationships can and do often work, it just really depends on where you live in this world. You have people who have been together with the same person since they were in highschool and have never have had any problems what so ever in their relationship. They do exist, its just that nowadays it's hard to keep a person from straying. Me personally I can't do the type of thing you do I would go mad not having someone close to me. Take those men who are married to women from the countryside in Europe. Those relationships are very strong compared to relationships formed out of the city. So I think it just depends on circumstances and factors. Traditional women aren't so bad, they are just rare in the Western world because of what the culture promotes. That's what makes it so damn hard to near impossible to build up something meaningful. I also understand that commitment is not something everyone wants...

With tradcon societies where you find couples who have been together for decades, you only see the happy and harmonious surface of fake smiles and appearances. But behind that happy and harmonious surface there often lies a dark underbelly of unhappiness, dysfunction, unfulfilled desires and all of the concomitant frustration, and cheating.

Now that I'm in my 30s and understand the ways of the world a bit better than I did in my naïve 20s, I consider TMM (traditional monogamous marriage) quite iffy to say the least. In societies that promote TMM, people are often encouraged to marry at a young age when they don't know anything about the world, and then are pressured to stay together and endure a loveless marriage even when they fall out of love, start to hate each other and feel unfulfilled. The result of this is droves of deeply unhappy and sexually and romantically frustrated people who outwardly feign normality for the sake of appearances and social respectability. However, people can only live like that for so long and before long you have both men and women sneaking around in the shadows and cheating on their spouse with other people. Many old-timers from that era will tell you just how much people cheated under the surface.

Back when I was in my early 20s, I thought that all manifestations of cheating were completely unacceptable. Boy was I naïve back then. In reality, many married people cheat not because they're dissolute sex maniacs but rather because they're trapped in unfulfilling marriages and need some sexual release and excitement in life in order to keep themselves sane. So the men go with prostitutes (often seen as the easiest option with less possibility of unwanted drama) or engage in hookups or extramarital affairs and the women often have their own love affairs too. Sometimes the woman knows that the man is sleeping with other women but doesn't even care. Their marriage is just for show, after all.

In many societies that have strict ideals pertaining to marriage, it is considered acceptable for married men to go with prostitutes. Thailand is one such society. Men are expected to fulfill their social responsibility of providing for their wives and raising a family but then at the same time fulfill their natural sexual desires with hoes at the local brothel. Even Japan with its obsession with appearances and social conformity is notoriously lenient when it comes to extramarital sex. Married men and women have affairs with somebody else in a love motel and there are sex services down every backstreet which cater to clients - often married men. Many Japanese couples don't even like each other and remain in sexless marriages. But people have to satisfy their sexual needs somehow.

So I now understand that TMM is iffy and doesn't work in most cases. And it's not just about "women these days are shit" either. More women these days are indeed shit due to a serious decline in culture and extensive social engineering on the part of the globalist elites, but even in more traditional societies the concept is already flawed due to its incompatibility with human nature. It only "works" when certain loopholes are permitted for people to achieve their much-needed releases. I'm sure that you will be able to find some examples of genuinely happy marriages that have lasted for 30 years or longer but they are not the norm.

I myself view TMM simply as an archaic and outmoded institution that may have had relevance in previous times but not today in the hypermodern 21st century.

Nowadays, after transcending the naïve notions of my 20s, I view relationships and encounters with women only in practical terms. Need sex and company? I'll look for a FWB type arrangement with a phat-ass Latina MILF (preferably verging on BBW proportions ) without any drama or emotional turbulence. Crave beauty? I'll hire an escort with modelesque looks and big silicone titties. Want progeny? I'll seek out an intelligent career woman who wants kids but doesn't care about having a relationship or an athletic female with good genetics (e.g., a preponderance of fast-twitch muscle fibers, somebody who does Jiujitsu like Mackenzie Dern) and come to an agreement on how we're gonna raise our kiddies without all of the restrictions and emotional ups and downs of married life or a relationship.

When it comes to procreation, I think that it makes more sense to seek out a mate on the basis of good genetic qualities, not anything as fuzzy and ephemeral as "love".

In fact, in the near future as technology advances, natural sexual selection will likely be largely replaced by preimplantation embryo selection together with gene editing using CRISP-Cas technology in order to artificially select for superior traits such as high intelligence, athleticism, good health, longevity, etc. I personally believe that this path is necessary for the improvement of the genetic health of humanity.

Of course, I wish well anybody who seeks to attempt TMM due to personal preferences and sincerely hope that it works out for them, but I myself find the arrangement iffy and antiquated and now consider things more in terms of their practical function.

Great post after mrman was trying to sell us on marriage .You absolutely debunked him!

https://heartiste.org/2019/05/06/scienc ... ment-12042

this site has alot of scientific articles to why women also hate good men and nice guys even if they're goodlooking,they may not even consciously be aware of their actions.as a scientific mgtow ala barbarosaaa or thinking ape tv/stardusk I also like to read such articles because it confirms what I've seen my entire life.

pretty women only want good men that are loyal and affectionate when hitting the wall.she will get bored and cheat on him,she cannot be attracted or respect a truly nice guy.

however,being a badboy has legal and social risks that are not worth it.

so just pay for it.I think alot of denialism and anger at women could be avoided if only men knew the science behind female desire,and that men and women are truly evolved to be reproductively antagonistic.

[Lucas88]

do Traditional conservatives not get marriage for the sake of marriage is just a meme and a blind idea from their adherence to fundementalism?

Obviously, true Christian fundamentalists adhere to TMM (or at least try to) because they take certain verses from the Gospels and Paul to heart and genuinely believe that sex outside of marriage is a sin. Those people are the true believers.

However, today's crop of "tradcons" in the internet age almost exclusively consists of deeply neurotic and sex-obsessed incels who mix their own sexual neuroses and all-consuming obsessions with Christian notions of purity, chastity and sin, thus creating a bizarre subculture with all of the hysteria and excitability of regular Christianity magnified to the nines. You find some people like that on this very forum. Since most of these incels are undesirable and low-quality men who very few women would ever want, those same self-styled tradcons wish for the materialization of a TMM-enforcing society that will supposedly force virginal girls to marry them and then make it next to impossible for those girls/women to ever leave them - even if they become immensely unhappy - through societal shaming, religious gaslighting and legal restrictions. As undesirable and low-quality men, they seek to trap girls/women in an inescapable marriage so that they'll always have access to sex. This is the overall psychology of the religious tradcon incel.

Of course, in most cases such men aren't genuinely religious. Despite preaching about the "truth" of Christianity at great length, these "pious" incels will talk about their experiences with strippers, escorts and other sex services and even advocate for institutionalized prostitution, thinking that they can interpret the Bible however they want to justify their own desires. Sexual neuroses and a profound frustration with their own undesirability are usually at the root of their religious commitments, not any kind of genuine faith derived from metaphysical arguments.

What's funniest of all is that those same tradcons describe themselves as "moral" or "righteous" due to their own "monogamy" and make out that they're somehow superior to others who are supposedly "immoral" or "unrighteous" when in reality those guys are nothing more than undesirable and low-quality incels in denial and many of them are probably dysgenic themselves. Lol!

I think that the phenomenon described in this post can be accurately understood in Nietzschean terms - the weak and disenfranchised priestly types consciously or unconsciously attempt to invert reality and portray their own weaknesses as "virtues" and "signs of morality" using an illusory mental framework (in this case religion) as part of their own covert Will to Power.

[WanderingProtagonist]

I honestly believe relationships can and do often work, it just really depends on where you live in this world. You have people who have been together with the same person since they were in highschool and have never have had any problems what so ever in their relationship. They do exist, its just that nowadays it's hard to keep a person from straying. Me personally I can't do the type of thing you do I would go mad not having someone close to me. Take those men who are married to women from the countryside in Europe. Those relationships are very strong compared to relationships formed out of the city. So I think it just depends on circumstances and factors. Traditional women aren't so bad, they are just rare in the Western world because of what the culture promotes. That's what makes it so damn hard to near impossible to build up something meaningful. I also understand that commitment is not something everyone wants...

With tradcon societies where you find couples who have been together for decades, you only see the happy and harmonious surface of fake smiles and appearances. But behind that happy and harmonious surface there often lies a dark underbelly of unhappiness, dysfunction, unfulfilled desires and all of the concomitant frustration, and cheating.

Now that I'm in my 30s and understand the ways of the world a bit better than I did in my naïve 20s, I consider TMM (traditional monogamous marriage) quite iffy to say the least. In societies that promote TMM, people are often encouraged to marry at a young age when they don't know anything about the world, and then are pressured to stay together and endure a loveless marriage even when they fall out of love, start to hate each other and feel unfulfilled. The result of this is droves of deeply unhappy and sexually and romantically frustrated people who outwardly feign normality for the sake of appearances and social respectability. However, people can only live like that for so long and before long you have both men and women sneaking around in the shadows and cheating on their spouse with other people. Many old-timers from that era will tell you just how much people cheated under the surface.

Back when I was in my early 20s, I thought that all manifestations of cheating were completely unacceptable. Boy was I naïve back then. In reality, many married people cheat not because they're dissolute sex maniacs but rather because they're trapped in unfulfilling marriages and need some sexual release and excitement in life in order to keep themselves sane. So the men go with prostitutes (often seen as the easiest option with less possibility of unwanted drama) or engage in hookups or extramarital affairs and the women often have their own love affairs too. Sometimes the woman knows that the man is sleeping with other women but doesn't even care. Their marriage is just for show, after all.

In many societies that have strict ideals pertaining to marriage, it is considered acceptable for married men to go with prostitutes. Thailand is one such society. Men are expected to fulfill their social responsibility of providing for their wives and raising a family but then at the same time fulfill their natural sexual desires with hoes at the local brothel. Even Japan with its obsession with appearances and social conformity is notoriously lenient when it comes to extramarital sex. Married men and women have affairs with somebody else in a love motel and there are sex services down every backstreet which cater to clients - often married men. Many Japanese couples don't even like each other and remain in sexless marriages. But people have to satisfy their sexual needs somehow.

So I now understand that TMM is iffy and doesn't work in most cases. And it's not just about "women these days are shit" either. More women these days are indeed shit due to a serious decline in culture and extensive social engineering on the part of the globalist elites, but even in more traditional societies the concept is already flawed due to its incompatibility with human nature. It only "works" when certain loopholes are permitted for people to achieve their much-needed releases. I'm sure that you will be able to find some examples of genuinely happy marriages that have lasted for 30 years or longer but they are not the norm.

I myself view TMM simply as an archaic and outmoded institution that may have had relevance in previous times but not today in the hypermodern 21st century.

Nowadays, after transcending the naïve notions of my 20s, I view relationships and encounters with women only in practical terms. Need sex and company? I'll look for a FWB type arrangement with a phat-ass Latina MILF (preferably verging on BBW proportions ) without any drama or emotional turbulence. Crave beauty? I'll hire an escort with modelesque looks and big silicone titties. Want progeny? I'll seek out an intelligent career woman who wants kids but doesn't care about having a relationship or an athletic female with good genetics (e.g., a preponderance of fast-twitch muscle fibers, somebody who does Jiujitsu like Mackenzie Dern) and come to an agreement on how we're gonna raise our kiddies without all of the restrictions and emotional ups and downs of married life or a relationship.

When it comes to procreation, I think that it makes more sense to seek out a mate on the basis of good genetic qualities, not anything as fuzzy and ephemeral as "love".

In fact, in the near future as technology advances, natural sexual selection will likely be largely replaced by preimplantation embryo selection together with gene editing using CRISP-Cas technology in order to artificially select for superior traits such as high intelligence, athleticism, good health, longevity, etc. I personally believe that this path is necessary for the improvement of the genetic health of humanity.

Of course, I wish well anybody who seeks to attempt TMM due to personal preferences and sincerely hope that it works out for them, but I myself find the arrangement iffy and antiquated and now consider things more in terms of their practical function.

That last few parts you mentioned about genetics and technology sound like some Globalist WEF/UN type NWO shit to me. Yeah advanced tech with people being born the way they want them to that THEY will be able to also control with that same technology, forget that hell.
RooshV also despite being the biggest fraud ever spent his entire life banging loads of women, turned 50 or so and the man even admits he hated the life he was living or feels unfilled despite the vast number of women he slept with. And he wouldn't be the first man to ever admit this about himself whether they feel that way because they are old and washed up or truly had some kind of awakening from the decisions they made before in the past. My own Uncle use to fool around a lot in his 20s, got bored and tired of it then decided to get married. And he's been with that same woman ever since. If he truly felt sick of her, he could easily get rid of her. But my Uncle isn't the type of man that needs to cheat to fulfill something his wife can't, if she can't he's man enough to tell her "this isn't working" vs running behind her back to mess around. I know my Uncle.

I still believe even if a guy screws around a lot, there's no guarantee he's going to be okay with this later on in his life. Some men admit that endless sex with various women leave them feeling empty or still unfulfilled. Mindless sex became the very reason I stopped enjoying pornography because it was making me depressed.

If you want a satisfying sex life then you have to find other stuff to do besides having regular ordinary sex with that same person. I mean shit, why not try some BSDM, Cosplaying or something new if a persons sex life is boring? That's what I'd do. Relationships can only be strong when the people involved are mentally strong enough to make them work. The problem is people don't want to put in the work to strengthen the bond between each other. In America you have all these dysfunctional people, societies, and communities because no one wants to work together at all to fix anything, when shit gets too tough, people rather run away.

If I had a void or issue in my relationship then I'd try to at least fix whatever it was that was broken with that relationship before I decide to part ways and split if all else failed and there were no other solutions. Men also choose prostitutes because that's the easy path, married men do it because they are bored and unhappy anyway even if they weren't married. Japan is already a miserable country so it doesn't matter what those useless slave mind Western owned people over there do anymore.

I don't know much about Thailand, but the Philippines do the mistress thing too and lots of women there still hate that. The 21st century is shit to me. If I met a woman that truly cared about me, made sacrifices. You can give me 400 women and i'd still chose her over the ones that don't give a care if I died tomorrow. What if you met a girl that was willing to die for you? Would you still see her as worthless and unnecessary? I know you and I have different takes and views on all of this. Sure times change, there are still lots of people who want a committed relationship. I just can't see myself jumping around from girl to girl and then acting as if I'm fulfilled.

When I was a teenager, dating the same girl didn't bother me at all. I also get attached to a person I really like. I can understand if people choose to avoid the heart ache and disappointing aspect of being involved. But if everyone was just going around doing the same shit, society would just remain one big souless universe. I have needs sure, but I'm 37 and my depression has made it tremendously hard for me to even care about sex anymore. Yet I still want a loving relationship with someone. It almost sounds like you're saying that everyone would be happier if we all just slept around and never made commitments to anyone other than ourselves.

[Lucas88]

That last few parts you mentioned about genetics and technology sound like some Globalist WEF/UN type NWO shit to me. Yeah advanced tech with people being born the way they want them to that THEY will be able to also control with that same technology, f**k that shit.

The NWO does indeed have a transhumanist agenda to use gene editing and the merging of biology and machine in order to better enslave people after the envisioned Great Reset. I even recently read a book on gene editing - Hacking Darwin by Jamie Metzl - and then shortly thereafter looked up the author and discovered that he was listed as a member of the World Economic Forum. Those people aim to use technology for diabolical purposes.

Nevertheless, technology itself is for the most part neutral and may be used either for the greatest good or untold evil. It all depends on the intentions and application. Gene editing and things like AI could be misused by a malevolent regime to turn people into compliant non-reproducing genderless slaves and then to monitor those people's every move and enforce strict conformity just as the Kabbalists envision for their nefarious "Messianic Age" of universal Gentile enslavement - a truly repulsive abuse of such emerging technologies -, or those same things could be applied by a benevolent government for the improvement of genetic health, correction of horrific defects and disabilities, acceleration of scientific and technological advancement, and a generalized improvement of life. The polarity will be determined by human intention.

The only way that civilization can ever progress further and above all in a healthy manner is if we the people of the 21st century are able to form a legitimate Gentile resistance movement and successfully overthrow the NWO before the implementation of the Great Reset. If we fail to do that, then we are collectively screwed and the NWO elites will simply have their way with us - or at least those of us who survive their global vax cull and WW3. However, if we do indeed manage to overthrow the NWO and establish our own benevolent governments run by actual Gentiles for the people, even then technology will still continue to develop and the smart thing to do would be to use it for positive purposes and human and societal advancement.

I am a futurist and value the great potential of technology but my vision of technology differs greatly from that of the current globalist elite.