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Winston wrote:
September 30th, 2021, 2:46 am
Yes but you also bashed me before for writing all these long essays and dissertations here, remember? I was replying to that too. You told me I should put them all in an offline word processing file or other forums. I explained above why I didn't do that. Do you understand my reasons now? On Whatsapp I often send links to people and having it all here in this thread makes it easier to do that. So I do stuff for multiple reasons.
No, you explained it before already.

You do not have to repeat yourself.


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Gali wrote:
September 30th, 2021, 2:53 am
Winston wrote:
September 30th, 2021, 2:46 am
Yes but you also bashed me before for writing all these long essays and dissertations here, remember? I was replying to that too. You told me I should put them all in an offline word processing file or other forums. I explained above why I didn't do that. Do you understand my reasons now? On Whatsapp I often send links to people and having it all here in this thread makes it easier to do that. So I do stuff for multiple reasons.
No, you explained it before already.

You do not have to repeat yourself.
You still don't understand? What don't you understand? Haven't I explained everything clearly and simply? What's your problem?
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Winston wrote:
September 30th, 2021, 3:10 am
Gali wrote:
September 30th, 2021, 2:53 am
Winston wrote:
September 30th, 2021, 2:46 am
Yes but you also bashed me before for writing all these long essays and dissertations here, remember? I was replying to that too. You told me I should put them all in an offline word processing file or other forums. I explained above why I didn't do that. Do you understand my reasons now? On Whatsapp I often send links to people and having it all here in this thread makes it easier to do that. So I do stuff for multiple reasons.
No, you explained it before already.

You do not have to repeat yourself.
You still don't understand? What don't you understand? Haven't I explained everything clearly and simply? What's your problem?
I did and do understand your perspective. That is why you do not have to repeat yourself.
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I thought of a 10th model for why we are here.

10. We are in a Purgatory between Heaven and Hell. Or perhaps we are in a level of Hell.

I think I have a theory for why Murphy's Law exists now, which no one wants to touch or try to explain. But it's a very grim theory. Not the optimistic kind that New Agers and Americans like.

I've come to suspect that we live in a PURGATORY here, that's why there is so much suffering and only a few pleasures. Because suffering feeds the matrix, so it has to be engineered and brought out as much as possible. It's like a tax we pay for being here, so we all have to suffer to some degree, even if we are rich and have a comfortable life. Because the purpose of purgatory is to suffer, so we all gotta pay our fare share of it.

This would also explain Murphy's Law and why there seems to be a perverse force that likes to skew things against you in a consistent manner that chance alone cannot account for, as if it were deliberately trying to maximize your suffering. That's why life and this world contain a lot of UNNECESSARY and EXCESSIVE suffering, pain, disappointment, and bad luck, much more than would be needed if this matrix were just a learning environment or training school for the soul. This perverse force must be controlled by some AI or automated system, like the kind that regulates all the cells and organs in your body, or like the automated system that runs computer servers. Its purpose is to extract more suffering, stress, fear, anger, and frustration from us than we would like, in order to feed the purgatorial matrix which feeds on suffering.

That's why this world and all life on it, seem to be parasitic in nature. Because it's all designed for suffering and this matrix itself is a giant organism that feeds on suffering and pain. I know all this is grim, but it would explain a lot of things in general about life and this world.
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Those of us who are left are here to serve the master race. THE CHINESE as Alex Jones says.
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https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/maughamws-s ... -00-h.html

At that time (a time to most people of sufficient ease, when peace seemed certain and prosperity secure) there was a school of writers who enlarged upon the moral value of suffering. They claimed that it was salutary. They claimed that it increased sympathy and enhanced the sensibilities. They claimed that it opened to the spirit new avenues of beauty and enabled it to get into touch with the mystical kingdom of God. They claimed that it strengthened the character, purified it from its human grossness and brought to him who did not avoid but sought it a more perfect happiness. Several books on these lines had a great success and their authors, who lived in comfortable homes, had three meals a day and were in robust health, gained much reputation. I set down in my note-books, not once or twice, but in a dozen places, the facts that I had seen. I knew that suffering did not ennoble; it degraded. It made men selfish, mean, petty and suspicious. It absorbed them in small things. It did not make them more than men; it made them less than men; and I wrote ferociously that we learn resignation not by our own suffering, but by the suffering of others.

All this was a valuable experience to me. I do not know a better training for a writer than to spend some years in the medical profession. I suppose that you can learn a good deal about human nature in a solicitor's office; but there on the whole you have to deal with men in full control of themselves. They lie perhaps as much as they lie to the doctor, but they lie more consistently, and it may be that for the solicitor it is not so necessary to know the truth. The interests he deals with, besides, are usually material. He sees human nature from a specialized standpoint.
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I thought of a 10th model for why we are here.

10. We are in a Purgatory between Heaven and Hell. Or perhaps we are in a level of Hell.

I think I have a theory for why Murphy's Law exists now, which no one wants to touch or try to explain. But it's a very grim theory. Not the optimistic kind that New Agers and Americans like.

I've come to suspect that we live in a PURGATORY here, that's why there is so much suffering and only a few pleasures. Because suffering feeds the matrix, so it has to be engineered and brought out as much as possible. It's like a tax we pay for being here, so we all have to suffer to some degree, even if we are rich and have a comfortable life. Because the purpose of purgatory is to suffer, so we all gotta pay our fare share of it.

This would also explain Murphy's Law and why there seems to be a perverse force that likes to skew things against you in a consistent manner that chance alone cannot account for, as if it were deliberately trying to maximize your suffering. That's why life and this world contain a lot of UNNECESSARY and EXCESSIVE suffering, pain, disappointment, and bad luck, much more than would be needed if this matrix were just a learning environment or training school for the soul. This perverse force must be controlled by some AI or automated system, like the kind that regulates all the cells and organs in your body, or like the automated system that runs computer servers. Its purpose is to extract more suffering, stress, fear, anger, and frustration from us than we would like, in order to feed the purgatorial matrix which feeds on suffering.

That's why this world and all life on it, seem to be parasitic in nature. Because it's all designed for suffering and this matrix itself is a giant organism that feeds on suffering and pain. I know all this is grim, but it would explain a lot of things in general about life and this world.
karma makes no sense. Whats the purpose of physical pain if our brain has no memory for it? you dont remember the pain of kidney stones or any other physical pain do you

and why would a 6 month or 2 year old die of starvation or disease? I see no karmic purpose on that
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Woodwater,
Karma does make sense. It's simple cause and effect. A higher power definitely exists. The atheist paradigm is a lie. That's for sure. But karma isn't a system of reward and punishment. It's more of a balancing of your soul. Karma isn't always logical or linear though. Just like God, it can work in mysterious ways that we can't understand. Keep in mind that just because you don't understand something or it doesn't fit linear logic, doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all. Maybe it exists in a way you can't comprehend? Obviously you can't remember your past lives because it would overburden you. So a new life is like a new reset. Plus we are the victim of black sorcery to make us forget who we really are. Many movies tell us this using fiction and fantasy. See this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXYJUR ... F-mhs0kbcg. And see this playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... Jhg10lCBng
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Winston wrote:
November 14th, 2021, 10:32 am
Woodwater,
Karma does make sense. It's simple cause and effect. A higher power definitely exists. The atheist paradigm is a lie. That's for sure. But karma isn't a system of reward and punishment. It's more of a balancing of your soul. Karma isn't always logical or linear though. Just like God, it can work in mysterious ways that we can't understand. Keep in mind that just because you don't understand something or it doesn't fit linear logic, doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all. Maybe it exists in a way you can't comprehend? Obviously you can't remember your past lives because it would overburden you. So a new life is like a new reset. Plus we are the victim of black sorcery to make us forget who we really are. Many movies tell us this using fiction and fantasy. See this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXYJUR ... F-mhs0kbcg. And see this playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... Jhg10lCBng

https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/maughamws-s ... -00-h.html

At that time (a time to most people of sufficient ease, when peace seemed certain and prosperity secure) there was a school of writers who enlarged upon the moral value of suffering. They claimed that it was salutary. They claimed that it increased sympathy and enhanced the sensibilities. They claimed that it opened to the spirit new avenues of beauty and enabled it to get into touch with the mystical kingdom of God. They claimed that it strengthened the character, purified it from its human grossness and brought to him who did not avoid but sought it a more perfect happiness. Several books on these lines had a great success and their authors, who lived in comfortable homes, had three meals a day and were in robust health, gained much reputation. I set down in my note-books, not once or twice, but in a dozen places, the facts that I had seen. I knew that suffering did not ennoble; it degraded. It made men selfish, mean, petty and suspicious. It absorbed them in small things. It did not make them more than men; it made them less than men; and I wrote ferociously that we learn resignation not by our own suffering, but by the suffering of others.

All this was a valuable experience to me. I do not know a better training for a writer than to spend some years in the medical profession. I suppose that you can learn a good deal about human nature in a solicitor's office; but there on the whole you have to deal with men in full control of themselves. They lie perhaps as much as they lie to the doctor, but they lie more consistently, and it may be that for the solicitor it is not so necessary to know the truth. The interests he deals with, besides, are usually material. He sees human nature from a specialized standpoint.
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Interesting theory about why we are here in this prison matrix and loosh farm that I saw in a YouTube comment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9elKADCfP3M

Ty Gorton
3 weeks ago
More and more, I'm convinced that our true consciousness is housed within a star, with each star representing one soul/consciousness. It is from the star that our awareness is beamed into these meat sacks for the simulation of physicality. The creeps' goal is to get as many stars to "fall" as they can (which would be why the pinnacle of Hollywood fame is represented as a star on a sidewalk... truly fallen, something people walk on). So many things make sense within this context and there is evidence of it across all forms of media. Given that most of us here know that outer space, as presented by the creeps, is complete nonsense... what is a show like Star Trek actually depicting? What happens every episode? They encounter some new consciousness in "space". They are simply encountering the souls that live in different stars. In this way, the creeps "show" a version of the truth, but as always, it is wrapped up in some absurd metaphorical presentation that most take literally.

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Interesting 🤔. Never thought of this, I’m intrigued. In fact I had to come back and say that kinda put me in the mind of twinkle twinkle little star. I don’t doubt anything anymore but this idea sounds great I love the idea ⭐️⭐️💫✨

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I have always had that same vision of reality so it rings true to me. Here is one more piece to that puzzle for you. Since we are 4D beings at least(3D plus time) then our home stars would also be. The 3D shape they ALWAYS have us focused on is the pyramid and they are always pointing up. When you combine a downward pyramid with a earthbound pyramid -you would get the shape of the new freedom tower that replaced the twin towers of Joachim and Boaz fame. 2 into 1 has been their favorite theme. So I assume our stars are conjoined pyramids-thus eight sided octagonal stars. They are constantly trying to get us to warp our connection to our Spiritual connection by replacing it with their own connection instead. Total overreach and probably fantasy—but it just feels right and I’ve learned to trust the things that resonate with my soul

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3 weeks ago
@Quantum Dave I've been
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@Billie Phillips Nice. Yeah, once the idea is in your mind, you start to pick up on hints of it all over the place. This could of course play right into Matt's exploration of retro-causality on some level. A big one for me is the song by the Pixies 'Where is My Mind'. The lyrics have always intrigued me:
"With your feet on the air and your head on the ground
Try this trick and spin it, yeah
Your head will collapse
But there's nothing in it
And you'll ask yourself
Where is my mind?
Where is my mind?
Where is my mind?
Way out in the water
See it swimming"
If you are open to the idea that the Bible is accurate when it says there are waters above and waters below, then it becomes clear that what we call stars are actually in the waters above. So when the song asks, "Where is my mind?" and the answer comes back "Way out in the water, See it swimming", well, it just makes sense if our true consciousness is housed in a star floating up there in the waters above the firmament.
studying gematria codes religiously every day for 2 1/2 years..it's an addiction now, and what I've pieced together is that humans are spiritual beings also known as angels or stars and that we are made of light photons. Part of our photonic consciousness is fractalized and trapped somehow in this matrix and then mirrored in a carbon basedmaterial world through alien technology DNA. We are a fractalized hologram in this reality. A twin of our higher selves. Now DNA can be recoded and thus every incarnation we will look different and possibly be a different gender because of the coding ability of genetics.

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@hogiebb1 the CIA literally said what you have worked out. It was a very long time ago, but they seriously said we are in some kind is hologram projection.
You are absolutely on the right track and should continue to try work things out. I look at a lot of stuff also. But I try and relate it finance to try and get monetary gain to help my people. You should look heavy into XRP, the crypto and David Schwartz. Your curiosity will unlock the truths to this reality. It will help evolve your life and bring light to others. Onwards

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That's an interesting theory. The Divine Secret Garden series I read says a similar theory: That our souls are trapped in the 4th dimension and our consciousness is projected here into the 3rd dimension by advanced 4th dimensional technology by Lucifer and his Watchers. We were lured into his 4D matrix and deceived and locked there. Then projected here into this prison matrix to be used as loosh batteries. Supposedly this matrix is being generated with advanced technology from the 4th dimension. That's why the matrix is digital yet organic, unlike any simulation we have seen in our computers. It sort of makes sense if you think about it.
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Interesting video talk about whether our reality is a school, a prison, an experiment, or a hostage situation, meaning we are all here as some sort of hostage.

https://freevoice.io/blog/2022/03/15/na ... xperiment/

"Nature of Reality- School, Prison, Hostages or Experiment?

I take the usual question that gets asked, is our reality a school or a prison, and expand it to discuss the possibility that we may be a type of hostage or that this can be a type of experiment.
Looking forward to reading your comments."

More of this guy's videos. He's similar to Matt of Quantum of Conscience that I follow. They both know each other too.

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I've enjoyed reading your thoughts Winston. I've ascribed to a few of these models throughout my life.

The spiritual models of reality that resonate with me have been ones that teach that acquiring loving-kindness based virtues are the keys to living a fulfilling life, and that reality is comprised of esoteric energies and multidimensional entities - nourishing or damaging.

I believe we are born with predetermined (physical, psychological, and spiritual) needs that we are fated to try to meet and that they are inescapable, but I also believe we can choose how we meet those needs. I believe that meeting our needs in a non-zero sum game way, in a way that is congruent with our personality and values, is basically what leads to a fulfilling life.


The Problem Of Suffering

I have not come across an answer from anyone that resonates with me, that reconciles a loving God with the level of suffering that we witness on the planet. (e.g. Children being sold by parents to become sex slaves, women literally being kept for months on end as sex slaves before being killed, people being tortured to death, mental illnesses that drive people to suicide or to commit acts of abuse, etc.)

Though I believe in a loving God based on personal experience and the research of Near Death Experiences, the only conclusion I have is that we have a mixture of predetermined patterns and free will. Some Near Death experiencers say that in the afterlife our human life seems almost inconsequential, when contrasted with eternity - basically the significance of our suffering is relative to our human life. Living a human life currently, the suffering is extremely significant to me.
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Your proposed models of reality are by no means mutually exclusive, @Winston. Indeed I believe that reality is far more complex than any of the simplistic models that religions and the New Age present as truth.

I myself am of the view that our world was originally a realm of action into which our souls incarnated in order to evolve through a variety of experiences but then at some point in the past a botched parasitic species led by Yahweh and known to the Gnostics as "archons" took control over our planet, infected it with their own darkness, trapped our souls within their matrix of enslavement and plunged our race into the depths of suffering. I base my interpretation on the extensive research which I have done into ancient religions and mythological histories, knowledge of the occult and paranormal entities, and also to a lesser degree on insights obtained through the use of psychedelics.

The Original State of our World

The material universe exists as a densified creation of the Primordial Consciousness or the Transcendental Absolute (known in Hinduism as Brahman). Its purpose is the evolution of our individual souls which are fragments of the Primordial Consciousness and incarnate into one of its many worlds of dense matter in order to live various experiences conducive to their growth. Matter is not inherently evil as certain Gnostic schools of though asserted. It is absolutely necessary for the evolution of the soul since it provides a strictly organized and coherent realm of action with challenges and opportunities for adventure. Without it we could not evolve at all. Think of all of the edifying activities through which we grow. Think of things like martial arts, writing, art, etc. They all require a world of strictly organized matter and a physical body. Even spiritual practice such as Yoga and meditation require a physical body too. The material world exists for our development. It is a requirement for our spiritual evolution.

Why does suffering exist within this densified creation of the Primordial Consciousness? Natural suffering has always existed in the creation as part of its unavoidable dualistic nature. Because of its differentiation as opposed to the unitary monism of the original state of the Primordial Consciousness itself, the material universe necessarily has its opposite values which include both positive and negative poles. Without this it could not serve its function as a realm of action aimed at soul evolution. If there exists good then there must also exist evil. Likewise for pleasure and pain, success and failure, etc. This was explained to me in depth during my session with Ayahuasca. The dualistic nature of the material world is just part of the game. A game without negative outcomes or the possibility of failure just wouldn't serve as a good evolver of consciousness (just like how a videogame without challenging missions or the possibility of failure wouldn't be any fun).

The Archon Invasion and the Extreme Suffering of Kali Yuga

The extreme suffering which we see today on our planet however is of no didactive value whatsoever. Since the inception of Kali Yuga many simply starve to death and live in crippling poverty and suffer under the oppression of abusive tyrants and obscurantist religions. Today we live under the tyranny of the New World Order. Let's be clear. What we have today is not simply a school for our spiritual maturation as per the New Age nor is it just a natural cycle of the cosmos as per the Vedanta; rather it is purely a matrix of enslavement at the hands of a horde of perverse archontic invaders.

The archons are Yahweh and his "angels", not "Lucifer", not Enki either. They invaded our planet after a dispute with Enki and his allies, conspired to remove all true spiritual knowledge and subjected us to their deceptive religions which only talk about human "sin", demand sacrifice and slavish obedience, and blame humanity for all of the evil of the world. Yahweh and his archontic thugs condemned our original gods (Enki and the Watchers, also the Pagan gods of our pre-Christian Gentile civilizations) and banished them to the "abyss" for having revealed to humanity advanced occult knowledge for our true spiritual evolution (i.e., the Kundalini and the alchemical Opus Magnum). All of the claptrap about giants, tyranny, sin and cannibalism from the Book of Enoch is just Jewish blackwashing of our true gods. After their successful conquest of the Earth, Yahweh and the archons began to fill our world with their own filth. They even installed their own "Chosen People" programmed for the infiltration and subversion of all Gentile civilizations. Its end goal would be the establishment of the New World Order.

On a metaphysical level Yahweh and the archons have our souls trapped in their perverse matrix since millennia. They enjoy torturing us and maybe even extract some kind of energy or sustenance from our suffering. We are unable to escape. They have sealed off the exits and we are therefore forced to reincarnate here since reincarnation into this world is better than suffering in the "gulag" which they have created on the astral plane. The angelic beings seen in near-death experiences are a deception. So are the sightings of Jesus and Buddha as well as the beings claiming to be our own deceased relatives. Their purpose is to lure us into the light, through the tunnel and into the astral gulag. The archons may capture us and force us to reincarnate with their own imposed soul plans which involve negative experiences and suffering or we evade the archons and reincarnate by ourselves making our own rudimentary life plans and making do with what is available to us. This is why some people incarnate into lives of misery while others have incarnations that don't really suit them and just seem to be fumbling their way through life. The reincarnation system has been hijacked by the aforementioned negative entities. Most of us are just suffering aimlessly and needlessly in the archons' warped counterfeit system.

The archons are like an infection which has arisen somewhere in the cosmos and taken over and corrupted our original world like a computer virus. One can only speculate about their origin but they may be a race which veered to far into the dark side within this dualistic reality through greed and lust for power or maybe even a botched species, a defective creation (like in the Gnostic Sophianic myth as interpreted by John Lash). @Pixel--Dude and I are of the view that the creative processes of the Primordial Consciousness are experimental to a large degree and that it is therefore possible for failed or defective creations to emerge. The archons could be a defective race similar to how psychopaths are defective souls here on Earth. Yahweh and his archons are a defective infection. Anti-virus measures are necessary for their complete removal from the cosmos.

That brings us to the Jews (or at least the Jewish elite). Yahweh's Chosen People serve as organic vessels for the dark archontic forces aimed at the subversion and destruction of Gentile societies and our eventual enslavement (this plan is outlined in the "prophecy books" of the Old Testament). Some of the higher Jews may even serve as physical bodies for archontic-demonic souls themselves. These would be the incarnate "reptilians" and the Jewish souls from another dimension who, according to the perverse rab-eye Laitman, have incarnated on Earth to subvert and subjugate Gentile nations as part of a Messianic mission. Although today many Zionists hide behind a mask of "Satanism" in order to conceal their true identity, they are really the same agents of Yahweh and the archons and the earthly architects of Yahweh's nefarious NWO. They have been behind so many evil movements such as Christianity (pathetic slave creed for the Goyim), Bolshevism, countless wars and genocides, etc.

Then there are the NPCs/organic portals. These are the masses of basic artificial souls created and incarnated by the archons and sustained by a hivemind/collective consciousness which they believe to be "god". The NPCs/organic portals serve as a slave race for Yahweh and the Jews. They are the "beasts of burden" who Yahweh created in human form to serve his Chosen People. They also serve as "Agent Smiths" within the matrix to control souled humans through their superior influence and keep us in line. NPCs/organic portals are slavish beings who belong to Yahweh. Many of them blindly worship him since they truly are his creation. But they are unaware that true human souls have our origin in the Primordial Consciousness which is the true originator of reality and are sons and daughters of Enki who gave us true spiritual knowledge before the destruction of the old order and the fall of the Earth to the impostors.

Conclusion

Our world was once a realm of incarnation for our soul evolution (something akin to a school you could say) but unfortunately it was subverted by dark archontic entities and turned into a soul trap of enslavement and suffering. It has been thoroughly denatured from its original divine state.
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Winston wrote:
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We all know the timeless q...

I will give my analysis of the above in a later post below.
Winston, you are naive. This means you lack something that would've protected you in high school.

As of the human species, we are here because something started a long time ago (details debatable) and once its started it cannot be reverted.

Now why do we suffer? Because it cannot be reverted.

Now you're talking about (such a waste of time if you ask me) all the maps (not maps - the better term is "ways of seeing the world" that make it easy to not have to think or use logic or rationale", thelogicjunkie coined the term on maps, I think its labels
Then again, some people go all the way (cognitive dissonance/fallacy of incomplete evidence).

Eat dates.

The problem is iphones.

You definitely picked the wrong country.
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Why We SUFFER - The Reason We Suffer In Our Simulated Universe



The Importance of Suffering (2019) - The Role of Suffering Inside a Simulation.
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In today’s video I’m going to answer why suffering and pain are a necessary part of our world and why it shouldn’t be looked at as all bad. This video could also be titled: The role of suffering inside a simulated universe.

I’ve put out several videos on simulation theory to date. In the comment section of those videos, I see have the same reoccurring question about suffering. It goes something like this: Why would it (meaning the simulation) have been programmed to make the characters suffer pain, depression, loss etc. Whoever is responsible must be a cruel sadist.

This is a common question in regard to simulation theory. In fact, one of the arguments these people make is that this world couldn’t have been created by a loving God who genuinely cares about us. Instead those people see our world as a prison planet and a place they wouldn’t want to return to. It’s a world made by an uncaring, unloving creator who enjoys seeing us suffer.

Indeed, with so many people and animals hurting in the world, this is a completely reasonable line of thought. There’s no denying that there is an ocean of pain and sadness all around us. It’s a wonder people even make it into old age. And even in old age, most spend their final years physically limited, ill and in constant agony.
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Comment I posted under a video on the Sanity Machine channel, which claims that this whole matrix is full of nothing but suffering and disses everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2i-Zz5XAC4

To Sanity Machine: I agree that the excessive and unnecessary suffering in this world means we cannot be in a School of Life like New Agers claim. However you need to take into account several things:
1) First, not everyone is suffering all the time. There are plenty of well off people who are living relatively comfortable lives with plenty of money and live in nice houses and have stable families. You can't project your feelings onto everyone since everyone is living different lives.
2) Second, you can't rule out that if you are suffering then you may have bad karma from a past life. That cannot be ruled out and is a possibility on the table.
3) Third, ancient religions teach that the "sins of the fathers get passed down to their sons". Even the Bible says that. So it could be that if your ancestors have bad karma or a curse placed on them, then that would pass onto you too. The bad karma or curse could be passed on to you through your genes. It may not be your fault and it may not be just, but that's the way it is. God may not be perfect and may be powerless to prevent universal law. He does not have to be perfect and may have to abide by cosmic laws too. That's why families like the Kennedys and the Bruce Lee family had a lot of mysterious unexplained deaths, because such families may have been cursed, which affected all family members, even if they were innocent. A lineage will pass on a curse or bad energy.
4) Fourth, there may be a universal law of duality that states that if you had a good life in the previous incarnation then you have to pay for it with a bad one this time around. Just like night and day switches places, because the dualities have to balance. So it might be nothing personal, just a balancing act between two polarities. If you read the Kybalion and the 7 Hermetic Principles in it, it explains this. Without polarity the matrix may collapse so even the gods have to work with it and are not above it.

I'm not judging you or saying these explain everything. But they are possibilities to put on the table and consider because they make some sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxt474gtvfE

Sanity Machine, you seem to be saying that whoever runs this matrix or world must be pure evil. However logic says that since good and bad and good and evil exist in this world, that the creator must be good and evil too. Even the Bible in the book of Isaiah says that God creates both good and evil. And anyone who studies Eastern philosophy knows that a duality of all opposites is needed to maintain this matrix, that's why we have day and night and the four seasons. So God has to be both good and bad, he has to be both God and Satan, two sides of the same coin. So isn't that the most logical conclusion about the God or Demiurge that runs this reality? Why posit that he must be 100 percent evil? Isn't that cherry picking and focusing on the worst examples? There is good and joy and happiness in this world too, why do you forget that? Can you explain? This is an honest question. I asked Matt McKinley and Howdie Mickoski about this too, but they didn't reply. Why do you and most truthers always see the glass as half empty? For sure, that's what truthers all have in common, they always see the glass as half empty. The world is full of bad things but you can make choices to only pursue the good healthy things right? That's why wise people would tell you. What do you think?
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