Does anyone really think English is the devil's language?

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Outcast9428
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Re: Does anyone really think English is the devil's language?

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Lucas88 wrote:
December 11th, 2022, 4:07 pm
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December 11th, 2022, 2:29 pm
@Lucas88 Its interesting how autism can cause a person to either seek out an extremely reserved society like Japan or an extremely expressive one like Latin America. Japanese language does tend to be pretty straightforward with the words. Not really having conjugations. If it wasn’t for the writing system I’d say Japanese is one of the most simple languages in the world. I can understand the words and pronounce them pretty easily even compared to Romance languages.

Autism is related to a need for exact precision though which is why we either want a lot of complexity or a lot of simplicity but rarely something that is in the middle. I imagine the Romance languages being very tough for a Japanese person to understand, even compared to English.
An old tutor of mine once mentioned that a disproportionate number of autistic people gravitate towards Japan. She asked me why that could be. After pausing for a moment to reflect upon the question, I explained to her that Japan is an ideal place for those who enjoy solitude since the people generally mind their own business and leave others alone. Nobody will approach you and try to force you to socialize since that would be considered impolite. You'll just be like a ghost to most people. Whenever you go out, there's little chance that you'll end up being overwhelmed by unwanted social approaches. That might make the country more suitable for autistic people more on the shy or reserved side.

But what about Japan's complex social etiquette? Couldn't that be a problem for autistic people? Yes, it certainly could, but as a White foreigner you won't be held to the same level of expectations as a Japanese person would. The rules will be somewhat relaxed for you. Deviations from proper etiquette will be attributed to cultural misunderstandings rather than blatant nonconformity. Reasonable people won't be too hard on you.

As for me, I much prefer Mediterranean and Latin cultures, but I think that's more due to my own soul constitution than autism. I'm naturally an expressive, wild and spontaneous person, much more like a Spaniard or an Italian than an Anglo. It's simply that autism has resulted in social impairment which made me somewhat avoidant of social situations. But it was never that I longed for solitude. If my preference for Mediterranean and Latin cultures does indeed have any relation to autism, it will be because people from those expressive cultures usually encourage me to be expressive myself and give me something to work with. Conversely I find nothing more awkward than attempting to interact with a shy or reserved person who is largely taciturn, disengaged and doesn't give me much to work with. Most British people are like that. Many Japanese people are like that too (this is usually because they don't know how to deal with foreigners). But Mediterraneans and Latinos almost always proactively engage in conversation. That makes everything much easier for me.

With regard to Japanese, the grammar is more simple than that of many European languages in some ways since there are no personal conjugations and verb functions such as past tense, negation, passive, causative, desiderative, conditional, etc. are expressed by simple suffixes which are agglutinated to the verb stem in a logical sequence. However, in order to speak Japanese like a native, you need to learn various honorific and humble forms as well as an assortment of sentence-final particles or combinations of particles which express various different nuances. This can make post-intermediate Japanese quite difficult to master. As far as pronunciation goes, the basic phonemes are generally simpler than those of European languages and so it is easy to reach a level of pronunciation that allows you to be understood, but Japanese phonology includes pitch accent and so it might be harder to achieve native-like pronunciation.

I actually have the experience of teaching Spanish to a Japanese woman. She had just come back from a vacation in Costa Rica and was in love with the culture and begged me to teach her the language. I would go to her temple every evening and give her lessons in Spanish. She would often prepare nice cakes for me and we'd often have leisurely chats about philosophy and Buddhism during breaks. Anyway, I tried to teach her the basic verb forms, made all kinds of charts, and came up with example sentences, but in the end the reasons for each of the conjugations were lost on her. No matter how much I explained she couldn't understand why first person ends in -o, second person ends in -as, third person ends in -a, first person plural ends in -amos, etc. Then one day she asked me to teach her past tense conjugations and when I did she was like "this is impossible!". Yes, Romance languages are difficult for Japanese speakers.
I would say it’s probably because expressive people are easier to understand. They wear their emotions on their sleeve more so there’s less confusion.

I’d say the reason autistic people gravitate towards Japan is because the Japanese are more biologically similar to them. Neurotypicals in Britain typically score a 16 on autism scores whereas the Japanese typically score a 22.5. At 26 and above Asperger’s becomes a possibility and autism is considered a definite at 32 or above. The men in Japan score a 24 on average so they are really really close to the 26 score.

So basically the average Japanese person, especially the average Japanese man, is already bordering on a very mild form of autism.


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Outcast9428 wrote:
December 11th, 2022, 5:48 pm
I would say it’s probably because expressive people are easier to understand. They wear their emotions on their sleeve more so there’s less confusion.
In my experience, I as an autistic person find Mediterraneans and Latinos are easier to interact with for the following reasons:

1. They're easier to read because, as an expressive people, they express their emotions and intentions more clearly.

British people in contrast tend not to be outwardly expressive and so I am forced to read more subtle cues. Autistic people aren't good at that. The British style of communication also involves a lot of "reading between the lines" while Mediterraneans and Latinos are much more direct.


2. They're more proactive when it comes to conversation and so they give me considerably more to work with.

British people on the other hand are more reserved and don't make much effort to move the conversation forward. They give me little to work with and often awkward silence ensues.


3. They're more understanding and accepting of individual differences and don't make a big deal out of my social quirks.

British society on the other hand is quite judgmental and fixated on ideas of what is normal and abnormal. If you don't fit a certain social mold, people just think that you are weird and subtly ostracize you. Because of this I never feel comfortable among British people. I always feel so out of place.


As for Japan, I think that I don't fit in there simply due to cultural preferences and certain aspects of my own personality. I prefer informality, spontaneity, individuality and unbridled passion. Japan with its high level of formality and regimentation just isn't a place for me. Spain and Latin America fit my personality perfectly. I've learned through my own experiences that those cultures are where I belong.
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Today I watched the World Cup final between Argentina and France. I of course was rooting for Argentina. Even though it's not my favorite Latin American country I still feel more connection to any Hispanic country over France. Not that France is a bad country by any means. It's another Romance culture like Spain and Italy and therefore has its own cultural charm and beauty worthy of admiration, but I personally just resonate much more with the Hispanophone world over its Francophone counterpart.

I watched the match with my brother on whatever UK channel it was aired on and therefore with the English language commentary. Needless to say, the British commentary was pretty damn dull, soulless and uninspiring. My brother and I agree that British sports commentary is usually dull and bland by international standards. Often we feel like we're being lulled into sleep. Even though we had the English commentary throughout the match, at the end after Argentina's victory it switched over to the Argentinian commentators for a brief while and my brother and I could feel the uplifting passion in the Spanish language commentary. I often watch sports events such as MMA and wrestling with Spanish language commentary since Spanish is my favorite language. The greater level of passion and excitement is immediately apparent and gets me pumped up way more than the painfully monotonous English language commentary or even the crappy flat Japanese commentary that I've sometimes heard while watching PRIDE (the ultra-macho MMA kind, not the gay kind :lol: ) and Shooto events. Hugo Savinovich who did the Spanish language commentary for the WWF back in the day was freakin' legendary. So were Carlos Cabrera and Marcelito "El Guapo" Rodríguez (Mayuuuuuya!!! :lol: ). Man, language does change everything on an emotional level. In hindsight, my brother and I should have found the match on a Spanish language channel in the international channel section!

@MarcosZeitola mentioned changes of personality depending on what language we are speaking. I myself note a drastic change in my personality when I'm speaking Spanish. I all of a sudden become much more extraverted, more expressive, more passionate and more comical. I also sometimes become manic. I even feel hornier and become more sexually aggressive. I feel that Spanish brings out a much better side in me. I know from experience that I am able to socialize much better in Spain and Latin America. I even feel like a completely different person.

In a more general sense, I've even considered the possibility that the phonological qualities of every language might reflect the qualities and national spirit of the people who speak it. Like how British English sounds cold and soulless like the reserved and passionless Brits, Spanish and Italian sound upbeat and pleasantly musical like the warm and passionate Spaniards, Latinos and Italians, etc. This for me is another reason why choice of language is super important.
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I like Spanish and Portuguese as well as fusha Arabic and Hebrew.I also like arawak/wayuu language which I tried to learn some years back.

English suck but Americans we have the best accent and make it more pleasant and bearable?

American accent on a woman can be a turn on.

That said I don't like anything about any anglo cultures not the food,the women the architecture the music the work ethic the typically cold climate and the joylessness.

I go crazy in America nd hate becoming like them due to the environment and the energetic frequencies.

I love tropics or mediterennean .
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Lucas88 wrote:
December 11th, 2022, 8:52 pm
Outcast9428 wrote:
December 11th, 2022, 5:48 pm
I would say it’s probably because expressive people are easier to understand. They wear their emotions on their sleeve more so there’s less confusion.
In my experience, I as an autistic person find Mediterraneans and Latinos are easier to interact with for the following reasons:

1. They're easier to read because, as an expressive people, they express their emotions and intentions more clearly.

British people in contrast tend not to be outwardly expressive and so I am forced to read more subtle cues. Autistic people aren't good at that. The British style of communication also involves a lot of "reading between the lines" while Mediterraneans and Latinos are much more direct.


2. They're more proactive when it comes to conversation and so they give me considerably more to work with.

British people on the other hand are more reserved and don't make much effort to move the conversation forward. They give me little to work with and often awkward silence ensues.


3. They're more understanding and accepting of individual differences and don't make a big deal out of my social quirks.

British society on the other hand is quite judgmental and fixated on ideas of what is normal and abnormal. If you don't fit a certain social mold, people just think that you are weird and subtly ostracize you. Because of this I never feel comfortable among British people. I always feel so out of place.


As for Japan, I think that I don't fit in there simply due to cultural preferences and certain aspects of my own personality. I prefer informality, spontaneity, individuality and unbridled passion. Japan with its high level of formality and regimentation just isn't a place for me. Spain and Latin America fit my personality perfectly. I've learned through my own experiences that those cultures are where I belong.
Great post and agree.

Japan would be hell for me so rigid like USA but I like japanese people.

Also it's no wonder you're celtic lol only good northern Europeans and my great granddad was a celtic redhead.

Real English people they hate woggy people and the only ethnics they like are anglo blacks.specifically anglo.

It's in their dna to hate wogs and brown ethnics?

Like we're kryptonite to one another lol
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Kalinago wrote:
December 25th, 2022, 4:14 pm
English suck but Americans we have the best accent and make it more pleasant and bearable?

American accent on a woman can be a turn on.
That's exactly how I feel about English. As a language it mostly sucks and is nowhere near as good as the Romance languages (my favorite of these being Spanish even though I have much appreciation for Brazilian Portuguese and Italian too) but at the same time the American variety of English tends to sound somewhat nicer and more bearable than other varieties and also happens to be the medium of the best and most important current of pop culture of the 20th century.

Even though I generally dislike English, I am still bound to the language through my intense love of 80s, 90s and early 2000s American pop culture. The music, movies, television series and videogames from that era are still those which resonate with me the most and I just can't let go. Even to this day I spend hours listening to all kinds of old-school tracks by US artists and marking out to 80s and 90s action movies, programs like Miami Vice, the early GTA games and the late 90s/early 2000s WWF. That was back when American pop culture was actually good. After the mid 2000s it absolutely went to shit and it was incidentally around that time that I started to seriously get interested in foreign cultures and became obsessed with Hispanic culture in particular. I think that US culture has had its day. Since the mid 2000s little that has come out of the Anglosphere really interests me much and I overwhelmingly prefer other countries and their culture, most notably Spain and Latin America.

As for the UK, the place never interested me. I always found UK pop culture quite bland and considerably less imaginative than its US counterpart. I've also always found British English ugly and unbearable to listen to even though it's my (unwanted) native language.

American English sounds much more pleasant than British English but my favorite variety of the language is actually African American Vernacular English (and I'm not even into rap music, by the way). I really like its intonation, musicality and smoothness as well as its cool slang expressions. I don't care that it's considered low prestige by the mainstream. I find it by far the most pleasant variety of English, especially when it's spoken by an attractive and feminine Black female.
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I doubt it's the language.

In America, education is easiest, even a 4'11 farmer who immigrated from Africa can earn a phd. Social, dating, etc is hardest. The farmer often would travel back to his country of origin during vacation, which is only 11-15 days unless there's some exception, that's for the social needs not met by seeing a shrink.

In other English speaking countries, a certain type of person who is straight in the United States have it hardest. It is harder for the 4'11 farmer to get a phd.

It's not the language necessarily. It's probably that plurality of Americans are istj estj. Those who are esfj isfj, I mean they don't think, they also judge too.

I haven't studied linguistics, it's just unless you get a 780 790 800 on the SAT verbal with the fancy words, etc.

Canada, what I read online, further away from Pacific Northwest Vancouver bc you go, you'll find some French speakers. Australia, from what I read online, bugs and snakes would distract you. So that's about as time consuming as learning 2 languages the time ferris style. It's a good thing though, maybe not so good for the aspiring future tech CEO. Never been there.

England, from what I read online, the British accent is noticable to someone who is used to American accents (is there such?).Never been there. It's also close to a million other countries, so owning a speedboat or yacht could be fun during the summer. (What about owning a speedboat in Australia?)

For Australia, Canada, and UK, I also read that there's less gun violence so this is better for the aspiring future parents.

Again, America is good for the next aspiring tech CEO or department store CEO or the future bestselling fast food restaurant CEO. Problem is, it's not ideal for the average person in this website who has no such aspirations of being corporate CEO.
Then again, some people go all the way (cognitive dissonance/fallacy of incomplete evidence).

Eat dates.

The problem is iphones.

You definitely picked the wrong country.
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