What It Means To Be A Good Father

[Cornfed]

There's nothing moral about people being forced to sell themselves for sex just to make a living.

Most of us have to do stuff we might not otherwise want to do to make a living. That is in fact the whole basis of much of society. We can't all be trustifarians doing things on a whim and the results of that aren't generally so great anyway.

[Outcast9428]

I also agree. I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution. Prostitution only exists in the first place because we live in a shit society where a woman needs to sell her body to have sex and a dude needs to pay a prostitute just to have some intimacy with a woman. There's nothing authentic about it. No connection between either involved. I don't know why people would even advocate for such a thing.

The point of prostitution is to protect the chastity of other women, both wives and virgins, by giving men a safe outlet. This is why every productive civilization in history tolerated prostitution. And why prostitution was promoted by Solon (founder of Athens), the Old Testament (Proverbs 6:26), and Saint Augustine. Only the most degenerate cultures outlawed prostitution.

Why should their chastity matter if we don't give a f**k about the girls forced into prostitution? Who gets to arbitrarily decide which women be prostitutes and which will become wives? Seems like a shit deal for the women.

I'm sure a married woman would really appreciate her significant other sleeping with a prostitute and potentially bringing home a sexually transmitted disease.

How is a married man committing adultery with a prostitute different to a man committing adultery with a single woman? Unless we're looking at the prostitutes as less than human. The whole argument makes no sense.

A wank is a "healthy outlet" and much less disrespectful to the wife. A husband should have some damn self control. If he really can't stop himself f***ing other women then he shouldn't be married in the first place.

Married men should never sleep with prostitutes, but it is an invaluable service for young, single men.

[Cornfed]

Married men should never sleep with prostitutes, but it is an invaluable service for young, single men.

Prostitutes would be a good alternative if the wife were not up to the task and to encourage wives to keep themselves in good shape and not take their husbands for granted. It is like the saying that women want fried ice. They want to completely capture a desirable man, but when they succeed they then regard him as a loser and don't want him any more. If he has options with prostitutes, this will keep the wife interested.

[Outcast9428]

How is a woman selling sex to make money to survive and her not wanting to really do it something which is moral, yet two adults who find each other attractive and have a genuine connection not moral?

For one thing, the same reason working to get resources is often moral whereas panhandling is often not. For another, with a prostitute you are availing yourself of the services of a female who has already chosen that profession. With seducing females you are turning them into sluts when they might otherwise have made good wives, so you are ruining a potential future family with all the devastating future consequences for society just to save a few bucks.

There's nothing moral about people being forced to sell themselves for sex just to make a living. The immorality does not lie with the prostitute, who has no choice, but with the society which forces her into that lifestyle.

How many marriages do you know of that were saved by the husband sleeping with prostitutes?

What makes you think they are being forced into it? Every girl I've met who had that as her profession was a huge sex addict. I've been long term friends with several girls who worked in these kind of fields so its not like I'm just believing what girls I paid tell me. Talk to these girls outside of the paid arrangement and they pretty much say the same thing. Selling sex gives them both sex and money, and for the latter, they feel like they're basically not even working for it.

[kangarunner]

The discussion point is "What it means to be a good father" and look what happened.......SMH

[MrMan]

How is a woman selling sex to make money to survive and her not wanting to really do it something which is moral, yet two adults who find each other attractive and have a genuine connection not moral?

For one thing, the same reason working to get resources is often moral whereas panhandling is often not. For another, with a prostitute you are availing yourself of the services of a female who has already chosen that profession. With seducing females you are turning them into sluts when they might otherwise have made good wives, so you are ruining a potential future family with all the devastating future consequences for society just to save a few bucks.

There's nothing moral about people being forced to sell themselves for sex just to make a living. The immorality does not lie with the prostitute, who has no choice, but with the society which forces her into that lifestyle.

How many marriages do you know of that were saved by the husband sleeping with prostitutes?

What makes you think they are being forced into it? Every girl I've met who had that as her profession was a huge sex addict. I've been long term friends with several girls who worked in these kind of fields so its not like I'm just believing what girls I paid tell me. Talk to these girls outside of the paid arrangement and they pretty much say the same thing. Selling sex gives them both sex and money, and for the latter, they feel like they're basically not even working for it.

I've never had that conversation with a prostitute. My wife and I had a conversation with someone who'd been in the Church of Satan, and she talked about all the sex there. That's the closest to it I've seen.

But what you are saying doesn't make sense to me unless sex addicts just don't care much who they have sex with. If a woman sleeps around with men at the bar, she can pick one she finds attractive. But I'd imagine prostitutes get more men who aren't good enough looking to get a man based on their looks. Of course, an unattractive woman might have difficulty finding a man she finds attractive man at a bar, too.

[MrMan]

I also agree. I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution. Prostitution only exists in the first place because we live in a shit society where a woman needs to sell her body to have sex and a dude needs to pay a prostitute just to have some intimacy with a woman. There's nothing authentic about it. No connection between either involved. I don't know why people would even advocate for such a thing.

The point of prostitution is to protect the chastity of other women, both wives and virgins, by giving men a safe outlet. This is why every productive civilization in history tolerated prostitution. And why prostitution was promoted by Solon (founder of Athens), the Old Testament (Proverbs 6:26), and Saint Augustine. Only the most degenerate cultures outlawed prostitution.

Proverbs 6:26 is translated different ways, but I don't see how you can make it into a pro-prostitution verse. Does a prostitute bring a man to poverty, or are prostitutes cheap but adultery extracts a horrific price? Either way, there is no 'hurray for prostitution' here.

https://www.bibleref.com/Proverbs/6/Pro ... ous%20life.

[Lucas88]

@Tsar has a much more realistic view of how two virgins meeting each other and getting married will value each other more. If we did a social experiment I reckon the virgins would stay together and the young lads who slept with prostitutes would end up sleeping around or continuing to see prostitutes.

@Outcast9428 argues that encounters with prostitutes can prepare a young man for a monogamous life later down the line, but I know that in some men it can have the opposite effect. I started seeing prostitutes in my mid 20s while I was living in Spain and it only made me more promiscuous. I learned that I could just pay as little as 60 euros for a sexual encounter for a smoking hot, modelesque Latina with a perfect hourglass figure and much more attractive than any girl I could get naturally and then dating aesthetically mediocre girls in the real world just lost its appeal. I even became addicted to certain types of beauty and perfected physical features and reasoned that encounters with prostitutes are a better deal than having a monogamous relationship with one aesthetically mediocre woman. Given that I really fixate on aesthetics, I'd say that porn and escorts have made me more promiscuous than I would normally be.

[Cornfed]

@Outcast9428, @Cornfed and @fschmidt, if you guys had a daughter how would you feel about her becoming a prostitute? Would you be supportive or oppose it?

If she was not marriage material that would be a good use for her. I would hope she would be a high class educated prostitute. Being a high class prostitute and entertaining smart men is really the only reason for females to be particularly educated or give their opinions on any erudite subject. Otherwise they should STFU.

[Outcast9428]

For one thing, the same reason working to get resources is often moral whereas panhandling is often not. For another, with a prostitute you are availing yourself of the services of a female who has already chosen that profession. With seducing females you are turning them into sluts when they might otherwise have made good wives, so you are ruining a potential future family with all the devastating future consequences for society just to save a few bucks.

There's nothing moral about people being forced to sell themselves for sex just to make a living. The immorality does not lie with the prostitute, who has no choice, but with the society which forces her into that lifestyle.

How many marriages do you know of that were saved by the husband sleeping with prostitutes?

What makes you think they are being forced into it? Every girl I've met who had that as her profession was a huge sex addict. I've been long term friends with several girls who worked in these kind of fields so its not like I'm just believing what girls I paid tell me. Talk to these girls outside of the paid arrangement and they pretty much say the same thing. Selling sex gives them both sex and money, and for the latter, they feel like they're basically not even working for it.

I've never had that conversation with a prostitute. My wife and I had a conversation with someone who'd been in the Church of Satan, and she talked about all the sex there. That's the closest to it I've seen.

But what you are saying doesn't make sense to me unless sex addicts just don't care much who they have sex with. If a woman sleeps around with men at the bar, she can pick one she finds attractive. But I'd imagine prostitutes get more men who aren't good enough looking to get a man based on their looks. Of course, an unattractive woman might have difficulty finding a man she finds attractive man at a bar, too.

It doesn't make sense to me either. Plus, a couple of acquaintances tell @Outcast9428 they enjoy prostitution and suddenly this is applicable to all prostitutes. I sincerely doubt that the majority of prostitutes enjoy their work, but there are probably a percentage who do enjoy being able to make £130 an hour to sell sex to men instead of busting their asses for minimum wage in a factory somewhere.

It's still a society that forces this practice into existence in the first place. Through unreasonable costs of living and bullshit ideologies that turn men and women against each other. I would not want my daughter to be a prostitute even if she was on a thousand an hour. No parent in their right mind would.

@Outcast9428, @Cornfed and @fschmidt, if you guys had a daughter how would you feel about her becoming a prostitute? Would you be supportive or oppose it?

They were more then just acquaintances. I had really close friendships with them for about a year. I've heard the exact same thing from several other "actual" acquaintances who were doing this. Basically, its sex and money for no work. I even met some girls back in high school who told me they wanted to be strippers when they grew up. Seeing them as victims is really silly and in my experience, there's a universal hatred among prostitutes for people who view them as victims.

I'd still prefer my daughter to get married, but I'd much rather her be a prostitute then a slutty sorority girl.

[Outcast9428]

@Lucas88 @Pixel--Dude

60 Euros an hour? I've probably only spent about $200 on my girlfriend for going on dates so far and have spent somewhere between 50-100 hours with her in only about a month. Even with those cheap ass Spanish prices, you'd still need $3,000-$6,000 to get that much time. Why would anyone go to a brothel for $60 when they can just go back to their wife at home?

I really don't understand why guys, all my life, have whined about the money they spend on dates so much. I mean, $200 in a month is practically pocket change. Guys in general need to stop whining so much about spending money on girls.

[Lucas88]

@Lucas88 @Pixel--Dude

60 Euros an hour? I've probably only spent about $200 on my girlfriend for going on dates so far and have spent somewhere between 50-100 hours with her in only about a month. Even with those cheap ass Spanish prices, you'd still need $3,000-$6,000 to get that much time. Why would anyone go to a brothel for $60 when they can just go back to their wife at home?

I really don't understand why guys, all my life, have whined about the money they spend on dates so much. I mean, $200 in a month is practically pocket change. Guys in general need to stop whining so much about spending money on girls.

Did you even read what I wrote? Lol.

My comment wasn't even about money. It was about how my habit of seeing prostitutes made me more promiscuous because it encouraged my addiction to the pursuit of certain kinds of female beauty that I probably couldn't get in real life.

I wrote it with just one paragraph and in plain English. How could you not understand what I wrote? Why did you changed the topic to one of money and men who supposedly whine about spending money on women? Lol.

Are you pulling a WilliamSmith and logging on drunk today, Outcast?

[CaptainSkelebob]

I wouldnt know what it means to be a good father
My own daddy left me and my ma when I was young
I had to become the man of the house at a young age and I had to be strong for my ma!!!
Its possible I could have kids out there somewhere
Im like a big bee buzzing around with my giant f***ing stinger fellas and pollinating all the little flowers out there!!!
If I do have kids out there then they have the same start I did!!! Luckily they will have my superior genes and most likely survive
I might even have a beer with em when theyre 18
I learned from young that in this world you have to be strong to survive
I saw this in docunentarys about animals and bature
We aint so different
We are just smart apes
Well.....
Some of us are smart abyway

[MrMan]

All the apostles, except James who was dead, wrote a letter to the Gentile believers to abstain from fornication.

That might have been good advice for them. Is it good advice for us? Obviously not. In Acts they formed a commune. Does that mean that all Christians must be communists? You are just taking things out of context to justify a branch of Protestant feminism.

There is no command, "Thou must live in a commune" in the Bible. People give and shared of their own free will. When Ananias lied about giving the whole price of he land he sold, Peter asked Ananias after the land was sold, wasn't the money at his disposal.

Why would it be wrong for first century Christian men to have sex with prostitutes but not for modern Christians. That doesn't make sense.

[MrMan]

@Tsar has a much more realistic view of how two virgins meeting each other and getting married will value each other more. If we did a social experiment I reckon the virgins would stay together and the young lads who slept with prostitutes would end up sleeping around or continuing to see prostitutes.

@Outcast9428 argues that encounters with prostitutes can prepare a young man for a monogamous life later down the line, but I know that in some men it can have the opposite effect. I started seeing prostitutes in my mid 20s while I was living in Spain and it only made me more promiscuous. I learned that I could just pay as little as 60 euros for a sexual encounter for a smoking hot, modelesque Latina with a perfect hourglass figure and much more attractive than any girl I could get naturally and then dating aesthetically mediocre girls in the real world just lost its appeal. I even became addicted to certain types of beauty and perfected physical features and reasoned that encounters with prostitutes are a better deal than having a monogamous relationship with one aesthetically mediocre woman. Given that I really fixate on aesthetics, I'd say that porn and escorts have made me more promiscuous than I would normally be.

Exactly. And wouldn't having prostitutes so readily available only make it easier for men to cheat on their wives when they can have a discreet encounter for 60 euros? He'd already have experience with them in @Outcast9428's envisioned society, so it would be easy. And according to @Cornfed it wouldn't even be immoral either.

I'm not against prostitutes existing, but I don't agree they benefit relationships in any way at all. It's more of an easy way to make lots of money fast. The Hungarian prostitute I went to see was my only positive encounter with a prostitute and she told me over a cup of tea that she had a boyfriend and she was only doing what she was doing because it was the easiest way to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible. The reason she wanted to do this was so that she could fight her ex husband in court and get custody of her kids. Her ex husband was apparently some rich business man who hired top lawyers to win the custody battle, because like she said: "in this world if you have money you have a voice. If you don't have money you don't have a voice."

I wonder if the rich ex-husband's lawyers hired PIs who found out the ex was a prostitute, let the info out in court, and she lost custody for being a whore.