What It Means To Be A Good Father

[MrMan]

Would you take your daughters to the whorehouse to give it a go there?

You seem to have really imbibed the Satanic cult belief of treating people as androgenous.

Huh? I wouldn't want my daughters working in a whorehouse, so why would I take my son to have sex with someone else's daughter who works in a whorehouse?

If you want to apply the golden rule only to white males, you still shouldn't do it.

I Thessalonians 4
3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6 that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. 7 For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. 8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 13:4
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Any study of how Christian society works clearly shows that whores of various kinds are essential to making marriages work. If your daughters' calling is to be whores then setting them up with a good brothel would be a good thing. Far better that than the worthless sluts they are almost certain to become in modern America.

Read what Paul said:

8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.

[Tsar]

I don’t think I’d really be mad at my daughter for having sex with her boyfriend. I really think waiting until marriage is a noble ideal but it simply isn’t realistic and even most people who are truly passionate about traditional values can’t do it. What am I supposed to say to a sweet, beautiful girl who’s in love with me and practically begging for sex? I want to make my girl happy and making us both frustrated for an entire year just isn’t practical.

It’s like I’ve said before, if you really want people to wait until marriage then you need to normalize arranged marriages. Until then it just isn’t realistic. Even most religious traditionalists can’t do it, if we can’t do it then how the hell are we going to sell that idea to the liberal masses who can’t even be convinced not to pump and dump people like a used can of soda?

It's definitely doable and possible. All that needs to change is the system. The current system makes it undoable. People aren't explained things in a way that reaches them and they can relate with.

If people fornicate then marry that person, it doesn't count. But fornication between a guy who deflowers a virgin girl with no intention of marrying her and being with her for life is a serious thing. Another serious thing is when a girl when lost her virginity to a guy breaks up or leaves him because she's become ruined. Fornication undermines the fabric of society more than any other immoral act. Men marrying virgin girls is the greatest way to create a strong and traditional society. It's the greatest way to end feminism and increase birth rates. Men must marry virgin girls (meaning the girl they deflower) and age differences must be accepted and viewed as normal.

[MrMan]

I don’t think I’d really be mad at my daughter for having sex with her boyfriend. I really think waiting until marriage is a noble ideal but it simply isn’t realistic and even most people who are truly passionate about traditional values can’t do it.

This kind of attitude is one of the big things that is wrong with a lot of churches out there.

Paul has some words for you from I Thessalonians 4
8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.

If you reject the teaching to abstain from fornication, which is the will of God, then God is the avenger of those who do so, and you are rejecting God by doing so.

I Corinthians 5 shows us that allowing a fornicator to stay in the church can lead to the spread of leaven/yeast. We are to purge that out. Hebrews 11 teaches Christians to be on the lookout for a fornicator. Many can be defiled.

Your compromise over sin contaminates those you fellowship with. If you have been fornicating, you need to repent and receive forgiveness from God, and walk in the holiness God has called you to. God gives the grace to do so.

[Cornfed]

Read what Paul said:

8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.

Either you could see what Paul said as directing the very small Christian communities of the time to be goody-two-shoes to attract more converts or you could see Paul as simply being wrong about some things. Paul was after all a bad guy who was later used for good purposes for that reason. There is no reason to hang on his every word if it is clearly contrary to the rest of Biblical teaching.

[MrMan]

Read what Paul said:

8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.

Either you could see what Paul said as directing the very small Christian communities of the time to be goody-two-shoes to attract more converts or you could see Paul as simply being wrong about some things. Paul was after all a bad guy who was later used for good purposes for that reason. There is no reason to hang on his every word if it is clearly contrary to the rest of Biblical teaching.

I see you have a low view of scripture. You seem to care a lot for some rather general issues related to Christian culture than the specifics of the faith. Previously, you were arguing against the resurrection of the dead, a rather core Christian doctrine.

The rest of Biblical teachings? Jesus taught that fornications proceed from the heart and are among the things that defile a man. All the apostles, except James who was dead, wrote a letter to the Gentile believers to abstain from fornication.

[Tsar]

Huh? I wouldn't want my daughters working in a whorehouse, so why would I take my son to have sex with someone else's daughter who works in a whorehouse?

Of course the things our sons do are not the same as the things our daughters do; a daughter who fornicates loses her honor, but a son who has a girlfriend and has sex with her before marriage is a fairly normal bloke. As for whores, I would not advocate my sons making use of their filthy services, but I'd argue that the moment a woman falls into a life of prostitution and sells her body for money, she stops being "someone's daughter" and becomes just another hole desperate men use to stick it in... Which is sad, I agree, but that is the reality of this depraved world we live in.

I completely agree. Treating sons and daughters the same is a mistake. Males and females are different. Modern society trying to treat sons and daughters the same hurts them. I also agree that taking a son to use a whore is filthy and nasty. It's a waste and provides him with no accomplishment. There's a reason guys that are banging girls who give it to them for free is positive for a guy but men who use a whore are weak and pathetic, at least on some level. I won't have a weak son, if I have a son, he would be strong with a warrior spirit and noble soul.

[Cornfed]

All the apostles, except James who was dead, wrote a letter to the Gentile believers to abstain from fornication.

That might have been good advice for them. Is it good advice for us? Obviously not. In Acts they formed a commune. Does that mean that all Christians must be communists? You are just taking things out of context to justify a branch of Protestant feminism.

[Outcast9428]

@MrMan and @Tsar

I don't know, I feel like y'all are somehow being more autistic about this issue then I am. I mean, I am already a very "black and white" thinker so to speak. But I still realize that you just can't be so extreme about this. Y'all don't accept any middle ground between virgin and slut and Tsar, I'm sorry, but that rule is really really holding you back when it comes to dating. I can understand saying "I won't date a girl with a double digit partner count." But the whole "she must be a virgin" thing. I mean, if you date a girl who's only slept with one guy or two guys, its basically the same as dating a virgin. She's still really inexperienced, hasn't been jaded by frequent heartbreak, and the chances that her boyfriend was bad or mediocre in bed are really high.

And MrMan, you're basically saying 97% of women are whores who have defiled themselves and only 3% of women out there are good. Even my mother has defiled herself by your standards even though my father is the only man she ever slept with. I mean, I respect you for having followed through on your beliefs, but not everybody can do that.

[Cornfed]

I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution.

In a non-deranged society prostitution exists to teach young men about sex so they can be mentors to their virgin wives, to remove the temptation for men to turn normal females into sluts and to add spice to marriages. Whoring in general (actresses, other performers etc.) exists to expand the female contribution into the public sphere while keeping wives in the private sphere where they belong.

[fschmidt]

I also agree. I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution. Prostitution only exists in the first place because we live in a shit society where a woman needs to sell her body to have sex and a dude needs to pay a prostitute just to have some intimacy with a woman. There's nothing authentic about it. No connection between either involved. I don't know why people would even advocate for such a thing.

The point of prostitution is to protect the chastity of other women, both wives and virgins, by giving men a safe outlet. This is why every productive civilization in history tolerated prostitution. And why prostitution was promoted by Solon (founder of Athens), the Old Testament (Proverbs 6:26), and Saint Augustine. Only the most degenerate cultures outlawed prostitution.

[Outcast9428]

I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution.

In a non-deranged society prostitution exists to teach young men about sex so they can be mentors to their virgin wives, to remove the temptation for men to turn normal females into sluts and to add spice to marriages. Whoring in general (actresses, other performers etc.) exists to expand the female contribution into the public sphere while keeping wives in the private sphere where they belong.

Exactly...

Men need some experience going into a relationship/marriage. It helps a lot when they are marrying an inexperienced/virgin girl because inexperienced girls have no idea what will please them in the bedroom. If the guy has already been taught about sex from prostitutes though, he can go in and blow her mind and she'll be loyal to him forever.

[Outcast9428]

I also agree. I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution. Prostitution only exists in the first place because we live in a shit society where a woman needs to sell her body to have sex and a dude needs to pay a prostitute just to have some intimacy with a woman. There's nothing authentic about it. No connection between either involved. I don't know why people would even advocate for such a thing.

The point of prostitution is to protect the chastity of other women, both wives and virgins, by giving men a safe outlet. This is why every productive civilization in history tolerated prostitution. And why prostitution was promoted by Solon (founder of Athens), the Old Testament (Proverbs 6:26), and Saint Augustine. Only the most degenerate cultures outlawed prostitution.

This is something I have brought up as well that the only cultures in history that have actually succeeded in truly eliminating prostitution from society were either communist regimes or extremely polygynous cultures.

If Medieval Europe with its incredibly rigid adherence to Christian theology allowed prostitution while all the Communist societies that hate Christianity outlawed it, then being against prostitution is definitely not traditional.

[Outcast9428]

I don’t think I’d really be mad at my daughter for having sex with her boyfriend. I really think waiting until marriage is a noble ideal but it simply isn’t realistic and even most people who are truly passionate about traditional values can’t do it.

This kind of attitude is one of the big things that is wrong with a lot of churches out there.

Paul has some words for you from I Thessalonians 4
8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.

If you reject the teaching to abstain from fornication, which is the will of God, then God is the avenger of those who do so, and you are rejecting God by doing so.

I Corinthians 5 shows us that allowing a fornicator to stay in the church can lead to the spread of leaven/yeast. We are to purge that out. Hebrews 11 teaches Christians to be on the lookout for a fornicator. Many can be defiled.

Your compromise over sin contaminates those you fellowship with. If you have been fornicating, you need to repent and receive forgiveness from God, and walk in the holiness God has called you to. God gives the grace to do so.

If you banned every person who had premarital sex from your church, you'd have a lot of practically empty churches. How is a religion supposed to spread itself and find new followers when it is banning 97% of its potential followership because their rules are too extreme? How are you ever going to help people if 97% of them feel like they are beyond redemption now?

[Cornfed]

How is a woman selling sex to make money to survive and her not wanting to really do it something which is moral, yet two adults who find each other attractive and have a genuine connection not moral?

For one thing, the same reason working to get resources is often moral whereas panhandling is often not. For another, with a prostitute you are availing yourself of the services of a female who has already chosen that profession. With seducing females you are turning them into sluts when they might otherwise have made good wives, so you are ruining a potential future family with all the devastating future consequences for society just to save a few bucks.

[Outcast9428]

I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution.

In a non-deranged society prostitution exists to teach young men about sex so they can be mentors to their virgin wives, to remove the temptation for men to turn normal females into sluts and to add spice to marriages. Whoring in general (actresses, other performers etc.) exists to expand the female contribution into the public sphere while keeping wives in the private sphere where they belong.

Exactly...

Men need some experience going into a relationship/marriage. It helps a lot when they are marrying an inexperienced/virgin girl because inexperienced girls have no idea what will please them in the bedroom. If the guy has already been taught about sex from prostitutes though, he can go in and blow her mind and she'll be loyal to him forever.

Do you have any experience with prostitutes? Have you ever been to see one? There is no similarity between an encounter with prostitute and a loving relationship. An encounter with a prostitute is cold and transactional. You say you hate hook up culture, but by taking your son to sleep with a prostitute you're just teaching him that women are just there to be f***ed.

How is a woman selling sex to make money to survive and her not wanting to really do it something which is moral, yet two adults who find each other attractive and have a genuine connection not moral?

@Tsar has a much more realistic view of how two virgins meeting each other and getting married will value each other more. If we did a social experiment I reckon the virgins would stay together and the young lads who slept with prostitutes would end up sleeping around or continuing to see prostitutes.

Yes I have a lot of experience with prostitutes. It doesn't just help, it is a gamechanger for young men. Cornfed is right, its like going to a sexual mentor. I would not be where I am today had I refused to go to prostitutes. You are not meant to stick to prostitutes for the rest of your life. You are supposed to graduate from them eventually and find an actual relationship.

Hookup culture completely suffocates relationships and dating out of existence. People can't even find love based relationships because of hookup culture. It is infinitely more toxic and destructive then prostitution is. Prostitution stays in its own lane and doesn't threaten marriages and loving relationships.

Why the f**k would anybody continue seeing prostitutes if they are married? Going to a prostitute is not as good as being with a girlfriend, and its really expensive too.