Why does it seem a lot of mysognists are "homosexuals/gays? Both in the manosphere and in real life

[ArchibaultNew]

PS: First of I have nothing personal against homosexuals, but coming from a very religious upbringing I look at things from a more critical view point as opposed to simply accepting whatever the mainstream narrative say.

Hey guys,

Brief Background: I lived in America but also lived abroad and went to Polish style conservative Catholic school. In my community to be heterosexual was to be not homosexual. There was not such thing as Alpha or Beta. Guys would make fun of gays. Also I remember most guys would NOT be "bashing" women. They would focus on themselves.

Hobbying/Mongers: I met some hobbying/mongers who were in fact getting laid and doing p2p. However, none of these guys where misogynists per say. They would focus on having sex and writing about their experiences.

Club Promoters/"Pimps": Since this was a very conservative society men and women didn't socialize. And being a so called, "Pimp" was seen feminized role. I asked a friend, "Hey why does this guy want to make money off those women?" and my John friend told me, "Its because he is a homosexual and he has a lot of resented towards women."

Just like the whole childhood trauma seems to be absent when we talk about Homosexuals their resentment towards women seems to also be absent. Especially, in the Anglosphere websites there's an effort to not talk about this topic.

The Homosexual Element in the Anglo Manosphere

In many of these groups it there seems to be a dual strategy attract younger guys to the group through selling PUA and misogyny then slowly "converted" them into homosexuality.

The Roosh V Forum
I remember joining the Roosh forum primarily to look for advice to get laid abroad. However, I was taken aback by how hateful towards women some posts where. Soon enough I started to realize many of them would come from guys who were into the whole male sexualization.

Roosh said something like, "A lot of homosexuals follow me and i don't blame them. I can see how terrible American women are so they rather hang with each other as opposed to associating with them"

MGTOW
A similar pattern, these guys primarily the one's on the forums. Where the most vocals critics towards women, especially, Anglosphere women. Later I learned that they wanted "male only" groups. And they would meet up in secret to engage in homosexual practices.

Redpill
Similarly how come the most of these guys have names like, "gaylubeoil" and be leaders of men? It's nonsensical. I won't say any names but these whole idea of getting together with a bunch of guys primarily to "bash women" as opposed to doing game is questionable at best.

Blackpill
I always found it worrisome that these guys keep sharing photos of other dudes. Even some shirtless dudes and worshipping "Chad." Hence, why in a more traditional society wanting to be a "metrosexual" is frown upon as well.

Swoosh the World

Locker room talk, vulgarity, ignorance, misogyny, close-mindeness to guy who want to p2p, the result:

"It now appears that the website known as “Swoop the World” is a front for homosexual hook-ups
All the evidence points in this direction, above all their dogged insistence that nothing else matters in the manosphere than meet-ups"

[Outcast9428]

Brief Background: I lived in America but also lived abroad and went to Polish style conservative Catholic school. In my community to be heterosexual was to be not homosexual. There was not such thing as Alpha or Beta. Guys would make fun of gays. Also I remember most guys would NOT be "bashing" women.

That’s because they’re based.

The whole alpha/beta thing is kind of silly at best and a tool to divide men from one another at worst. I’m only really interested in whether a man shows virtue of character or not.

[WilliamSmith]

Good topic.
I'm not familiar with much of the new PUA material, and the redpill and MGTOW movements are new to me since I decided to get out of dodge and started researching expat destinations, and found this forum.

I like some of it, especially in terms of "red pilling" themselves out of a state of complete brainwashing to learn critical truths about what's really going on in the world and why, but much of what I see in the PUA scene looks like it's really gone downhill.

I didn't realize how ugly relations between men and women had gotten.

But I have noticed what you were saying: I found some guy who had some kind of 'barbarian' branded primal masculinity series, and was some kind of big middle eastern muscleman who was also openly gay.
It was obvious some of these guys are trying to exploit the MGTOW situation to foster more misogyny so they can convert men into a bunch of damned butt boys, as well as sell their own product.

A lot of the older PUA or seduction stuff (I don't like either term, but you know what I mean, "knowhow" with women) I used to read off that old "alt seduction fast" newsgroup (LOL), and stuff by some of the old timers was much better for helping frustrated men learn what women actually like, how to deal with your own mindset, be more masculine, female sexual psychology (men and women both are only going to get more and more lost on this if they listen to the woke and globohomo nutjobs), and how to give women what they want in bed.

As for the homosexuals:

I used to actually have some notoriety for being highly tolerant and friendly with gays (both females, where 'experimentation' amongst them is a far less serious deviation, but also male)... "faggots," as they were generally known in the 90's in my environs when they were still complete pariahs, and I was in the minority of being nice to them. I didn't call them "fags" myself in those days since I'm not mean to people, and only started using more flagrantly offensive terminology sometimes on purpose in reaction to the attempt to push the ludicrously Orwellian "hate speech" censorship agenda.
I just accepted them as an individualist despite having no clue what it was that made a man tick so differently he didn't want to nail a hot woman with Jessica Rabbit curves, tits, ass, etc. Our preferences on what types of women we like best vary, of course, but I can't even fathom what twisted mutation in a man's DNA somehow makes him actually direct male lust toward another f***ing man's backdoor, nutsack, armpits, or whatever these guys want to do to each other, LOL. (As a matter of fact, though, a sickening amount of this perversion comes from sexual abuse in a lot of cases, in some cases creating men who got buggered, often as boys or teens, and who I've read have a compulsive need for anal sex or wtf-ever homos do to each other, yet tragically remaining romantically attracted to women only despite this physical compulsion to buggery. There's theoretically probably a way to cure them of the deviation toward buggery, but obviously we're not going to be seeing that soon in the rotting cesspool euphemistically known as "the West" where pushing transgender operations on children under the age of 10 years is considered a step forward for "social justice."

I never became hostile toward them individually later when the globohomo agenda got revealed, but I am ardently opposed to what they've done with the downright twisted 'transgender' movement, and was completely taken by surprise that the masses out there allowed homosexuals to adopt children. Anyone in their right mind who knows anything about homosexuals should have been able to see from miles away that this would lead to a huge increase in the sexual molestation and rape of children, pedophilia. Especially homosexual men adopting children, it's just un-fuckin' believable they're being allowed to get away with this.

A hard segregation is going to be required for any type of solution. "Coexist separately," so to speak. I'm pretty sure @Outcast9428 is with me on this one, even if we aren't quite marching to the same drummer when it comes to based highly conservative traditionalism (him) vs me thinking travelling around the whole world nailing women and being in a state of bliss with women's arms and legs around me, their sweet-smelling hair in my face, and... well, better stop myself there.

[WilliamSmith]

That’s because they’re based.

The whole alpha/beta thing is kind of silly at best and a tool to divide men from one another at worst. I’m only really interested in whether a man shows virtue of character or not.

Fair enough points, but it all comes down to terms: When someone like me uses the term "alpha male," we're just going for a convenient term to talk about the kind of strong and confident men whose behavior and vibe automatically causes sexual attraction in heterosexual women (even if the women think the guy in question isn't necessarily the greatest match for her).
I definitely agree bullying betas is stupid and pointless, and I think a man poisons his own spirit with that kind of mean misanthropic behavior.
But it's not like there's no validity to the alpha/beta concept either.
If two guys get in an argument and one guy yells something at another, the other yells "bullshit" back, and then they start swinging at each other and fighting like lions, that might not be advisable, but fair enough to call those "alphas," vs if the guy being yelled at wilted and said "oh, gosh, maybe you're right" like George McFly... fair enough we've got a guy who's being a beta.
But that's not to label him as a p***y for life as though it's some kind of caste system, the goal from there should be to build himself up and learn to be a strong confident guy who doesn't let other people push him around, not become either a nice guy who has to suffer the McFly lifestyle, or worse: one of these spineless woke tantrum throwing gender-confused misanthropes trying to cancel anyone who makes him feel threatened.
Strong men being good alpha male (or choose your terms of preference) role models is one of the critical things missing in modern collapsing woke society: I don't resent it or hold a grudge against my own Dad, but just to be blunt, he never taught me jack-!@#$ in terms of actual masculine skills and knowhow, and it's the same with almost all my oldest friends except one. I had to learn it all first by watching 80s-90s action movies, Toshiro Mifune, and James Bond, then learn the more "red pill" knowhow about women from the internet later on in my early 20s. It would make a HUGE difference in improving men's lives if their Dads knew what they were doing about masculinity and taught it to their sons. Interesting topic for another time maybe since you're a good advocate for traditionalism.
Pardon me, I took the liberty of taking us off the subject of buttboys in the MGTOW movement in this particular post.

[ArchibaultNew]

That’s because they’re based.

The whole alpha/beta thing is kind of silly at best and a tool to divide men from one another at worst. I’m only really interested in whether a man shows virtue of character or not.

Fair enough points, but it all comes down to terms: When someone like me uses the term "alpha male," we're just going for a convenient term to talk about the kind of strong and confident men whose behavior and vibe automatically causes sexual attraction in heterosexual women (even if the women think the guy in question isn't necessarily the greatest match for her).
I definitely agree bullying betas is stupid and pointless, and I think a man poisons his own spirit with that kind of mean misanthropic behavior.
But it's not like there's no validity to the alpha/beta concept either.
If two guys get in an argument and one guy yells something at another, the other yells "bullshit" back, and then they start swinging at each other and fighting like lions, that might not be advisable, but fair enough to call those "alphas," vs if the guy being yelled at wilted and said "oh, gosh, maybe you're right" like George McFly... fair enough we've got a guy who's being a beta.
But that's not to label him as a p***y for life as though it's some kind of caste system, the goal from there should be to build himself up and learn to be a strong confident guy who doesn't let other people push him around, not become either a nice guy who has to suffer the McFly lifestyle, or worse: one of these spineless woke tantrum throwing gender-confused misanthropes trying to cancel anyone who makes him feel threatened.
Strong men being good alpha male (or choose your terms of preference) role models is one of the critical things missing in modern collapsing woke society: I don't resent it or hold a grudge against my own Dad, but just to be blunt, he never taught me jack-!@#$ in terms of actual masculine skills and knowhow, and it's the same with almost all my oldest friends except one. I had to learn it all first by watching 80s-90s action movies, Toshiro Mifune, and James Bond, then learn the more "red pill" knowhow about women from the internet later on in my early 20s. It would make a HUGE difference in improving men's lives if their Dads knew what they were doing about masculinity and taught it to their sons. Interesting topic for another time maybe since you're a good advocate for traditionalism.
Pardon me, I took the liberty of taking us off the subject of buttboys in the MGTOW movement in this particular post.

I think there's some validity to the terms, "Alpha" and "beta" and it can be used in some circumstances maybe with male friends and joking around. However, I also worry that its feminist ploy to divide men. Since in the West you are taught that "Alpha" deserve to get laid while "Betas" are losers and deserve nothing. In America and Anglosphere you have to "prove yourself" if you are worthy of getting laid or even worthy as a man. If you can become an "Alpha." Meanwhile, I have notice in Russia and Eastern Europe men are respected by virtue of being men. I have seen American women disrespect older men since they saw them as beta and losers. Where in any more traditional society this men would be considered seniors and given the respect the deserve. This is a weird society where "plain jane" women are valued much more than senior men. Complete opposite of some more traditional societies like some Asian societies.

[WilliamSmith]

I think there's some validity to the terms, "Alpha" and "beta" and it can be used in some circumstances maybe with male friends and joking around. However, I also worry that its feminist ploy to divide men. Since in the West you are taught that "Alpha" deserve to get laid while "Betas" are losers and deserve nothing.

Interesting discussion that I'm enjoying being part of, but I have no idea where you're coming from on this one? Where is anyone in the "West" taught anything to do with alpha stuff, when has a feminist ever encouraged a man to be alpha (!?!), and also what does it have to do with "deserving" to get laid, regardless? The guys who get laid like crazy are the ones who have figured out how to attract women and get them turned on. It's not an "entitlements" based process about who deserves what, like leftwing normies bitching about what entitlements and subsidies they should get from the government, LOL.

In America and Anglosphere you have to "prove yourself" if you are worthy of getting laid or even worthy as a man. If you can become an "Alpha." Meanwhile, I have notice in Russia and Eastern Europe men are respected by virtue of being men. I have seen American women disrespect older men since they saw them as beta and losers. Where in any more traditional society this men would be considered seniors and given the respect the deserve. This is a weird society where "plain jane" women are valued much more than senior men. Complete opposite of some more traditional societies like some Asian societies.

I don't get this either, because I don't see what it has to do with "proving" yourself or your worth vs turning the women on (or at least making them feel good, so things go in the right direction).
If a woman wants to get a man she wants into the sack, she needs to do feminine or sexy female stuff that turns him on and makes him feel good so he'll go after her and they both get what they want.
If a man wants to get a woman he wants into the sack, he needs to do masculine stuff that turns her on and makes her feel good, so she'll let him drive forward and "close the deal", so to speak, so they both get what they want.
The modern day stuff (and also some of the older stuff by some of the wimpier more over-cerebral PUAs), is too damn cerebral and theoretical, not to mention ideological with this stupid "SMV" horeshit that's totally counterproductive, and not dialed in to actual primal male/female biology.

Unless the vibe with women is so asexual that guys are going through the motions without much chemistry, then just hoping to get permission to get laid ("did I prove enough worth or SMV to get some p***y here yet, or what"?), in which case there was never anything very "alpha" about it to begin with.
If so, I think that's proving my point that they should learn the "knowhow" from the older generation. This "sexual market value" stuff and concepts that anyone needs to be proving worth/value/etc is a complete load of BS in my opinion, and the totally unstoppable "naturals" from the old days who women loved were often short and fat, and even though they often were successful businessmen in reality, they would deliberately tell harmless playful lies to the women they picked up about what their job was, saying they cleaned toilets or repaired disposable cigarette lighters for a living, LOL.

That's true that Russia and Eastern Europe are less f***ed up because of being less woke, but if men want to help themselves out, I think its problematic (for their sake) that so many men are bitching with all this kind of "I should be respected automatically, and women should do this, this, and that" mentality, which is similar to what the woke whining nutcase feminists are also using on the opposite side of the spectrum, and is causing the men to go running for the hills.
Meanwhile the woke karens are squawking and waving around checklists of what men should supposedly obediently and submissively do to obey them as they supposedly redefine the fundamental nature of masculinity, and of course if any men are dumb enough to actually do what they say, then the women are only going to want to get nailed by the guys keep a good masculine vibe but with them but completely ignore all their bullshit woke demands and do masculinity the old way.

Another observation about Russian and Eastern European men: I recall in old days (say around the 90s-2000s era), both American men and Eastern European or Russian men (100% white guys in these cases) could pretty much knock Western European over like bowling pins because both of them tended to be a lot more masculine than the typical Western European man. No offense Western European guys, then or now, but that's just how it is: Women get turned on by ACTUAL masculinity (not some kind of cerebral checklist about "SMV" or a javascript variable counting up "worth" points that they keep track of on their smartphone apps, and then say "OK I guess he earned it so I'll give him some p***y now").
There is quite a range of types of masculine men that can really turn them on and push the buttons right though. (For instance, a lot of them would be bananas for rather boyish guys like a young Leonardo DiCaprio in "Quick and the Dead", for example, who men's men in those times would actually make fun of saying he was supposedly too much of a p***y and looked like a girl, but a lot of the mousier, younger, and also older women would be totally crazy about.)
Also, I myself am being pretty coarse in my forum language use here amongst the manosphere, but that's not how I'd be talking to the women when trying to succeed: as @gsjackson said in a great post in another thread earlier today, being a complete gentleman is totally congruent with the full "primal" masculinity routine, and I think would also be a big improvement for most guys who are being either or too crude/cavemen, or too much of an asexual wuss. The gentlemanly primal masculinity is why women are hot for guys who can emulate some kind of a James Bond-like vibe, and I don't watch modern stuff but heard chicks talking about some guy called Don Draper rubbing them the right way too and saying they wish men acted more like those kinds of guys.
Also, in case that's of any interest to @Outcast9428 since he's expressed some interest in Japan, a lot of very nice and smart Japanese women go completely fuckin nuts (in a good way ) over this gentlemanly primal masculinity I've been describing, some of them even having a lifelong fantasy about this, and they have a term for it:
レディーズファースト
(in romanized katakana: re-di-zu-fa-su-to, which sounds more like "ray-dee-z fah-su-to" when they say it, LOL), meaning a "ladies first" etiquette ruleset, which in a romantic context means being a leading gentleman, showing consideration for her and opening doors for her, pulling her chair out for her, etc.
But ideally they need the masculinity as a prerequisite, so they don't end up going on too many dates and come across as a p***y who is going to keep buying dates over and over until she eventually gives him permission to escalate from there.
Shit, I'm spending a !@#$load of time having fun writing stuff on here, I like this place but am totally dropping the ball on stuff I had on my list to do today, so I'm breaking my own OCD success nerd rules here about setting specific time-measured goals, LOL. Later guys!

[Cornfed]

The guys who get laid like crazy are the ones who have figured out how to attract women and get them turned on.

It seems to be more passive than that. It is the guys who the government hasn't replaced and/or have a life history conducive to skanks wanting to have sex with them. Generally it is easy to see what is motivating the skanks.

[WilliamSmith]

The guys who get laid like crazy are the ones who have figured out how to attract women and get them turned on.

It seems to be more passive than that. It is the guys who the government hasn't replaced and/or have a life history conducive to skanks wanting to have sex with them. Generally it is easy to see what is motivating the skanks.

BULLSHIT. Stop being such a negative hater and being mean to women just because they like getting balled, that's just how they're wired biologically, regardless of what globohomo trannies and/or books from any/all bogus hoax slave religions created by satanic jews back in Constantinople or Egypt or wherever say about how bad women supposedly are. Lots of them (women, I mean, not satanic jews) choose traditionalism and stay faithful to their husbands voluntarily and yet everything I've said about masculinity turning them on will still apply, and they'd all like getting balled just as much or in some cases more than the girls who are supposedly such "skanks" that they'll get involved with guys like me or the old "naturals" I was talking about who have way more experience than me personally. @Outcast9428 has some good thoughts on this on another thread about how he thinks traditionalists have potential for the best sex lives (which is probably often true) that I'm looking forward to returning to later.
Cornfed, you a positive manosphere influencer in some respects though: I got interested in kettlebells thanks to your contributions, and got a bunch of books about those and other strength training topics by that Russian guy Pavel Something-or-other (ohh, Russians, "disinformation," LOL.
As for your other BS, I don't have anymore time for this so set you straight with this:

[ArchibaultNew]

The guys who get laid like crazy are the ones who have figured out how to attract women and get them turned on.

It seems to be more passive than that. It is the guys who the government hasn't replaced and/or have a life history conducive to skanks wanting to have sex with them. Generally it is easy to see what is motivating the skanks.

Agree with this to an extend. It seems like in more traditional societies hooking up with random girls is not seen as a "Alpha trait." Some people might see it as cool for college students. But aside from that not so much. I support guys who want to live a carefree lifestyle but we can't say that those guys are the "real men."

Under the modern feminist or progressive paradigm that it seems that man's only worth is to be able to attract women. When in fact in more traditional society a man's worth is based on his job, his ability to have a purpose, defend his friends and pro-social behaviors. Behaviors that could challenge the system. Like getting together with his fellow men and demanding a change. We see this more in South Korea.

@WilliamSmith
I'll send a more detailed response to your comment. But the idea is that those terms 'Alpha" and "Beta" are imposed from outside by feminists and other enemies of men. It like a girl saying, I'm the "madonna" or I'm the "whore." Imagine if the opposite where to happen if guys would say, "We'll that girl is a whore so she doesn't deserve anything" they would be a large outcry. However, that happens in Modern American circles girls will say, "The guy is a loser or a beta." It also breaks down solidarity between men. For instance, many guys are taught to see other guys as "betas/losers" and not to identify with them. It creates a "winner takes it all" type of culture and this is accepted by most American men, foolishly if you ask me, where you can have a promoter and a rich guy in one table at the VIP area with ten girls and all the "average/beta" guys outside at the "common area."

That's not the type of society where men will have ANY power. In more traditional societies, what I've seen is that Instead, by simply not using those terms you only have "Men" and "Homosexuals." You are either a man or you are not. You can accomplish anything another man can, and deserve the same respect by virtue of being a man.

[WanderingProtagonist]

Good topic.
I'm not familiar with much of the new PUA material, and the redpill and MGTOW movements are new to me since I decided to get out of dodge and started researching expat destinations, and found this forum.

I like some of it, especially in terms of "red pilling" themselves out of a state of complete brainwashing to learn critical truths about what's really going on in the world and why, but much of what I see in the PUA scene looks like it's really gone downhill.

I didn't realize how ugly relations between men and women had gotten.

But I have noticed what you were saying: I found some guy who had some kind of 'barbarian' branded primal masculinity series, and was some kind of big middle eastern muscleman who was also openly gay.
It was obvious some of these guys are trying to exploit the MGTOW situation to foster more misogyny so they can convert men into a bunch of damned butt boys, as well as sell their own product.

A lot of the older PUA or seduction stuff (I don't like either term, but you know what I mean, "knowhow" with women) I used to read off that old "alt seduction fast" newsgroup (LOL), and stuff by some of the old timers was much better for helping frustrated men learn what women actually like, how to deal with your own mindset, be more masculine, female sexual psychology (men and women both are only going to get more and more lost on this if they listen to the woke and globohomo nutjobs), and how to give women what they want in bed.

As for the homosexuals:

I used to actually have some notoriety for being highly tolerant and friendly with gays (both females, where 'experimentation' amongst them is a far less serious deviation, but also male)... "faggots," as they were generally known in the 90's in my environs when they were still complete pariahs, and I was in the minority of being nice to them. I didn't call them "fags" myself in those days since I'm not mean to people, and only started using more flagrantly offensive terminology sometimes on purpose in reaction to the attempt to push the ludicrously Orwellian "hate speech" censorship agenda.
I just accepted them as an individualist despite having no clue what it was that made a man tick so differently he didn't want to nail a hot woman with Jessica Rabbit curves, tits, ass, etc. Our preferences on what types of women we like best vary, of course, but I can't even fathom what twisted mutation in a man's DNA somehow makes him actually direct male lust toward another f***ing man's backdoor, nutsack, armpits, or whatever these guys want to do to each other, LOL. (As a matter of fact, though, a sickening amount of this perversion comes from sexual abuse in a lot of cases, in some cases creating men who got buggered, often as boys or teens, and who I've read have a compulsive need for anal sex or wtf-ever homos do to each other, yet tragically remaining romantically attracted to women only despite this physical compulsion to buggery. There's theoretically probably a way to cure them of the deviation toward buggery, but obviously we're not going to be seeing that soon in the rotting cesspool euphemistically known as "the West" where pushing transgender operations on children under the age of 10 years is considered a step forward for "social justice."

I never became hostile toward them individually later when the globohomo agenda got revealed, but I am ardently opposed to what they've done with the downright twisted 'transgender' movement, and was completely taken by surprise that the masses out there allowed homosexuals to adopt children. Anyone in their right mind who knows anything about homosexuals should have been able to see from miles away that this would lead to a huge increase in the sexual molestation and rape of children, pedophilia. Especially homosexual men adopting children, it's just un-fuckin' believable they're being allowed to get away with this.

A hard segregation is going to be required for any type of solution. "Coexist separately," so to speak. I'm pretty sure @Outcast9428 is with me on this one, even if we aren't quite marching to the same drummer when it comes to based highly conservative traditionalism (him) vs me thinking travelling around the whole world nailing women and being in a state of bliss with women's arms and legs around me, their sweet-smelling hair in my face, and... well, better stop myself there.

You think only homosexual men did things to kids? Dude, of all the stories I find of women in their 20s f***ing minors and even dogs. It's not just gay males, it's women too. The only difference is when a woman does that, you get a lot of men saying "Why cant I be that 11 year old boy?" Not to mention the majority of those women are usually young and very attractive so you never see any hate being thrown at them, not even from other women that find out about it.

[Lucas88]

It is true that a lot of homosexual men are secretly misogynistic. I have known of cases of this in real life. The reason for the misogyny of these homosexual men is resentment: they envy the fact that women can attract desirable men with ease.

You see, most homosexual men are not masculine; as male sexual inverts they are usually somewhat effeminate, either to an extreme degree like the extravagant flamers or to a more subtle degree. Even the somewhat "normal" gays have some effeminate mannerisms which occasionally come out and give them away. It is no secret that most homosexual men are attracted to masculinity or even hypermasculinity. They openly lust after rugged, manly straight dudes, not after other effeminate or semi-effeminate male sexual inverts. Some of the more physically feminine and small-framed "pretty boy" types become trannies and make themselves attractive to rugged, manly, gynephilic men through the acquirement of artificial feminine attractors (e.g., fake breasts and butt-enlargement surgeries). These are known in the sexological literature as HSTS or "homosexual transsexuals". Other gay men however are either too physically masculine in terms of bodily proportions to be able to pass as attractive trannies or don't have the courage to go through with such a transition and so they are forced to date and have sex with other effeminate or semi-effeminate men within the gay scene. This makes many of them extremely bitter.

So some gays secretly hate women and cruelly bully them. They want to be like them and have all the perks of being a desirable female but fate is obviously against them. Their resentment takes control of them.

An attractive Latin American girl whom I know personally went to live with some gay friends of hers but before long they started mistreating her and being bitchy with her and this went on for weeks. She had no clue why they were acting like this since she had done nothing wrong to them. When she finally asked why they were mistreating her one of them straight up told her that they envied her because she is an attractive female who can sleep with any hot straight hunk she wants while they as gay men cannot do that. Some gays just straight up hate women for this.

I don't know how many well-known personalities in the Manosphere are really homosexual men but it is certainly possible that such cases exist. The Manosphere is full of theatrics, people trying to sell you a product, conmen looking for ways to make money by preying on young men's insecurities. It makes sense that some gays motivated by financial gain would seep into the Manosphere and pose as PUA gurus and such. In that case the misogyny which pervades their websites and ideologies would come natural to them.

[shawnberwick]

Their resentment takes control of them.

An attractive Latin American girl whom I know personally went to live with some gay friends of hers but before long they started mistreating her and being bitchy with her and this went on for weeks. She had no clue why they were acting like this since she had done nothing wrong to them. When she finally asked why they were mistreating her one of them straight up told her that they envied her because she is an attractive female who can sleep with any hot straight hunk she wants while they as gay men cannot do that. Some gays just straight up hate women for this.

Interesting.

I was speaking to a transwoman from a Latin American country, and she said she believed or knew some gay men who had surgery and hormones to transition to a feminine body, just to be able to sleep with good looking men who wouldn't be attracted to masculine bodies. I remember reading the same from a gay journalist who looked into ladyboy culture in a South East Asian country, he said something along the lines of some of the ladyboys didn't transition due to gender dysphoria, they did it to sleep with men who like feminine bodies.

[MrMan]

Their resentment takes control of them.

An attractive Latin American girl whom I know personally went to live with some gay friends of hers but before long they started mistreating her and being bitchy with her and this went on for weeks. She had no clue why they were acting like this since she had done nothing wrong to them. When she finally asked why they were mistreating her one of them straight up told her that they envied her because she is an attractive female who can sleep with any hot straight hunk she wants while they as gay men cannot do that. Some gays just straight up hate women for this.

Interesting.

I was speaking to a transwoman from a Latin American country, and she said she believed or knew some gay men who had surgery and hormones to transition to a feminine body, just to be able to sleep with good looking men who wouldn't be attracted to masculine bodies.

By 'transwoman', do you mean a man who had his body modified to look like a woman, or just dresses like a woman and pretends to be one?

[Lucas88]

Interesting.

I was speaking to a transwoman from a Latin American country, and she said she believed or knew some gay men who had surgery and hormones to transition to a feminine body, just to be able to sleep with good looking men who wouldn't be attracted to masculine bodies. I remember reading the same from a gay journalist who looked into ladyboy culture in a South East Asian country, he said something along the lines of some of the ladyboys didn't transition due to gender dysphoria, they did it to sleep with men who like feminine bodies.

That is typically the case. You see, true transsexuals (the kind known in sexology as "HSTS") are in reality male sexual inverts or extremely effeminate gay men who decide to present as female in order to attract masculine men. Their wish to transition is sexually motivated and usually any dysphoria that they might experience (although not all necessarily experience dysphoria) is due to a subjective perception of not being stereotypically feminine enough to be considered attractive to the kind of males whom they desire. In other parts of the world like Latin America this is widely recognized. In those countries such transsexuals generally don't believe themselves to be women born in the wrong body or demand to be recognized as such; rather they know that they are feminized gay men and identify as "travestis". The notion of gender identity and transwomen as women born in the wrong body is actually a recent invention of modern Western liberal society. It is purely a product of trans-activism and has no basis at all in the available clinical research.

According to Blanchard's theory of transsexuality (which is based on clinical research and is the only scientific theory of transsexuality in the game), there are two distinct etiologies for transsexuality: sexual inversion (i.e., homosexuality) and autogynephilia. Transsexuals affected by the former (i.e., HSTS) are motivated by their powerful desire for masculine men. These are the extremely feminine ones (extremely feminine due to their innate condition of sexual inversion) who you find working as escorts and seeking to date men. Transsexuals affected by the latter (i.e., AGPs) are motivated by a fetishistic desire to become the object of their own sexual desire. These are the heterosexual/gynephilic crossdressers whose female embodiment fantasies get out of hand and lead them to desire medical transition and full-time transgender living. Needless to say, this second group of transsexuals tends to be quite masculine and also mentally unstable due to the fetishistic and ego-dystonic nature of their transition. What the media doesn't tell you is that these fetishistic autogynephiles make up the majority of the current trans-activist movement although the subject of autogynephilia has been made into a taboo.

So HSTS are gay men who seek to feminize themselves in order to attract masculine men. That is the fundamental essence of homosexual transsexuality. Some of these HSTS are that naturally effeminate that they have no choice but to transition since they don't fit into the gay community and are not desired by other gay men. Their only viable option is to become a Tgirl and pursue transphilic guys (it often turns out good for many Tgirls this way). Other gay men don't suffer from sexual inversion to that extreme but nevertheless come to judge that their bodies are sufficiently feminizable and take a chance with the hope of attracting masculine men. They often then work in prostitution and reap the rewards.

Of course, this infuriates regular gays who don't transition. They want what the transitioned HSTS are getting but are unable to get it for themselves. Because of this you find gays who are not only misogynistic but also despise trannies too and wish to exclude them from the LGBT community.

[shawnberwick]

By 'transwoman', do you mean a man who had his body modified to look like a woman, or just dresses like a woman and pretends to be one?

Not a genuine question, right?