Is life better for men without having kids?

[Spencer]

I think there is a optimum time for children in a mans life and that is when he is young enough to raise them with the energy he needs and the patience, he has to have something of the child in himself to be somewhat successful I feel.

I think I am too old to have children now, I wanted children once but that was when I was in my twenties and thirties, by the time my kid turned 18 if I had a kid right now, I will be an old aged pensioner which isn't a good thing to be when my kid needs me. I am a middle aged man and still need my parents just for emotional support, can you imagine leaving my kid to this world barely out of their teens, wouldn't be fair?

Also, when you get to be my age, you're set in your ways, could I have a kid with a young lady and be a good father? I think I could and would make a good father but I don't think I would be at all suitable, I could teach the kid good life choices and educate it properly and bring it up instead of dragging it up but that time has definitely come and gone for me.

You make strong wise case that no size fit all for we see earthworld up almost 8 billion mouths that eat everyday and assholes releasing toxicity shiites everyday so if you not have kid would world suffer or benefit for we go back many decades to timing where have 5 billion then 3 billion even 2 billion so what so so great about the peoples that every vagina in world need shiite out pupys more and every functional dick need spread seedlet far and wide in 100s vagnals why why why

but talk only talk for in fact you not have kid is fine and the hypocritical public duende same your age also no kid even before have colonbia wife so long time and for wiseton we see he special role of the world for truthig and set free man in bondage so his genetics need spreading especimente for salvage weak genetics of phlipin for angelo one day maybe follow dady wiseton bold bootstraps continuation salvage goodman all the worldwise

[Spencer]

Oh but you are the public duende for you admit in briefly state exasperate after you lost it for we not know you take any medcasyons but after you make the frustrated public admit no shit sherloc it come too late go back flimsy liarman

let you and me have phone call or beter yet video and if you not public duende i pay the $250 america money give firstly to wiseton escrow for if i wrong i let wiseton keep $100 then send rest for you then i would make apologises public but i know for truth fact and can proof that you are the public duende and after lockdown subsiding i have travel money go phlipin for meet wiseton and imbestegasyon you for your liarman trollings for you knowing phlipin become stricts and you maybe the undesirable there so you deserving all to come your way

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PAG, or whatever you want to be called. You are wasting your time talking to me as if I am someone else. I have no idea what you are talking about. You surely seem to know Publicduende far more than I do. Why don't you PM him and fix whatever beef you have with him directly?

You're a troll and I shouldn't even be entertaining you. However it's quite obvious that you're posting pages and pages of text to bash someone who cannot give you an answer.

I will expose that man you claim not existing and if you want me stop you need stop for you the one come here stirup toxicity stewpot and i standby wiseton now my dream to meet in person and hunt down all the truthings and each every hotel i will know and insert into italiano networking far wide phlipin and my dream become goodfriend to wiseton become special asistant even to meet all the aborder gang in angelcity and so so hope wiseton will acepting me no mater what i striving make forum great again thew truthing as a 100% truther for i see you and will keep on keeping on then ramping up expose fraudster badman public duende

[hypermak]

I will expose that man you claim not existing and if you want me stop you need stop for you the one come here stirup toxicity stewpot and i standby wiseton now my dream to meet in person and hunt down all the truthings and each every hotel i will know and insert into italiano networking far wide phlipin and my dream become goodfriend to wiseton become special asistant even to meet all the aborder gang in angelcity and so so hope wiseton will acepting me no mater what i striving make forum great again thew truthing as a 100% truther for i see you and will keep on keeping on then ramping up expose fraudster badman public duende

Why don't you go back to https://culturewhiz.org/? Your doge-like English would probably need a bit of a polish, but you would be much more useful there...

[Spencer]

I like to practice making them, and then withdraw in the last few seconds.

Good not make single momy at least for why o why flipino man not same for we see phlipin only country of huge asia regional not make so big reduction birthing rate from begin 21 century and wala we see from all aborder reporting especialmente wiseton reporting phlipin stagnation state but go kmer go thai go china that gain big advancements and hi lifing quality

but what what about aborting for this so so sad for it helping by visibility standard but inovling kills on inocents so truth solution go same yick abstanant or wear the jacket on dick not impregnate and never aborting for wiseway to nip at seed never let flow into the vaginal til you have duck lined up with childmoney and stability relational with hi status goodgirl

[CannedHam]

I like having kids. Here are my thoughts.

1. You need a stable, hard-working wife.

2. You also need to know years 0-3 can be very, very difficult. Years 3-11 are awesome. Years 11-18 are a total wild card.

3. It really helps to have family nearby to watch kids or help out once in a while.

4. Keep it to 2 kids - max. Once you add a third kid, costs start escalating. You'll probably need a minivan or SUV, two hotel rooms, etc.

5. Try to have your last kid by age 35 so they are on their own in your early 50s. My wife's friend, originally from Thailand, just had a kid. Her husband is in his mid 50s and just had hip replacement surgery a few months later. Raising young kids is difficult enough when your in your 20s and 30s - I can't even imagine doing it in my 50s and 60s.

6. Keep your finances in check. Don't buy a huge house with an enormous yard and 6 bedrooms. A small 3BR townhouse in a good school district is probably better. The most important thing is for kids to have two good loving parents, not a huge yard, dogs, lavish vacations, etc. Put the savings towards their college funds and paying off the house.

[Spencer]

I will expose that man you claim not existing and if you want me stop you need stop for you the one come here stirup toxicity stewpot and i standby wiseton now my dream to meet in person and hunt down all the truthings and each every hotel i will know and insert into italiano networking far wide phlipin and my dream become goodfriend to wiseton become special asistant even to meet all the aborder gang in angelcity and so so hope wiseton will acepting me no mater what i striving make forum great again thew truthing as a 100% truther for i see you and will keep on keeping on then ramping up expose fraudster badman public duende

Why don't you go back to https://culturewhiz.org/? Your doge-like English would probably need a bit of a polish, but you would be much more useful there...

OK if you go there stay way from here i go to for lead by example you liarman public duende

i ready talk you on skype too talk face face man to man

[Spencer]

I like having kids. Here are my thoughts.

1. You need a stable, hard-working wife.

2. You also need to know years 0-3 can be very, very difficult. Years 3-11 are awesome. Years 11-18 are a total wild card.

3. It really helps to have family nearby to watch kids or help out once in a while.

4. Keep it to 2 kids - max. Once you add a third kid, costs start escalating. You'll probably need a minivan or SUV, two hotel rooms, etc.

5. Try to have your last kid by age 35 so they are on their own in your early 50s. My wife's friend, originally from Thailand, just had a kid. Her husband is in his mid 50s and just had hip replacement surgery a few months later. Raising young kids is difficult enough when your in your 20s and 30s - I can't even imagine doing it in my 50s and 60s.

6. Keep your finances in check. Don't buy a huge house with an enormous yard and 6 bedrooms. A small 3BR townhouse in a good school district is probably better. The most important thing is for kids to have two good loving parents, not a huge yard, dogs, lavish vacations, etc. Put the savings towards their college funds and paying off the house.

What you say is 100% truth yes yes yes but maybe have few exceptional mid eldering man want child but if money big enough maybe same contarian maybe can be ok for compensate factor but idealism you hit nail on head canham

[Contrarian Expatriate]

I think there is a optimum time for children in a mans life and that is when he is young enough to raise them with the energy he needs and the patience, he has to have something of the child in himself to be somewhat successful I feel.

Right. And the point he was making in the video that optimal age is now when men don’t have enough wealth built up due to the exorbitant expense of raising children.

Two sets of my great grandparents had over ten kids because kids were part of the family wealth enterprise on farms.

Today, kids are more of an expense and burden in the West. If you really want to have the full time job of raising them along with paying for the privilege of doing so, have at it. I’ll pass...

[Cornfed]

Today, kids are more of an expense and burden in the West. If you really want to have the full time job of raising them along with paying for the privilege of doing so, have at it. I’ll pass...

That's all well and good until your gibs are cut off and you are reduced to eating road kill.

[CannedHam]

I think there is a optimum time for children in a mans life and that is when he is young enough to raise them with the energy he needs and the patience, he has to have something of the child in himself to be somewhat successful I feel.

Right. And the point he was making in the video that optimal age is now when men don’t have enough wealth built up due to the exorbitant expense of raising children.

Two sets of my great grandparents had over ten kids because kids were part of the family wealth enterprise on farms.

Today, kids are more of an expense and burden in the West. If you really want to have the full time job of raising them along with paying for the privilege of doing so, have at it. I’ll pass...

I think the point is fair - and I think that having kids in your 20s is a huge financial burden. Waiting until mid 30s is probably much more financially comfortable but then they won't be on their own until your mid 50s.

On the other hand, a lot of American parents are f****g idiots when it comes to spending money on their kids. Raising kids doesn't have to be that expensive. A while back I posted on this, but you don't need a 6 bedroom house and two fully loaded minivans, you don't need to take kids on lavish vacations or pay a fortune for activities. At the place I used to work one woman spent like $30k/year on figure skating for her daughter from the time she was 5 until 18 years old. This woman was flat out broke, her daughter left for college out of state and weighs like 200lbs now

I remember one of my childhood friend's had an enormous RV that they probably paid $100k for to drive to camp. They later declared bankrupcty and moved away. Whereas my dad took us camping at the local forest with a simple tent and we had just as much , if not more fun fishing, running in the woods, playing sports, and cooking food over a campfire.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

I think there is a optimum time for children in a mans life and that is when he is young enough to raise them with the energy he needs and the patience, he has to have something of the child in himself to be somewhat successful I feel.

Right. And the point he was making in the video that optimal age is now when men don’t have enough wealth built up due to the exorbitant expense of raising children.

Two sets of my great grandparents had over ten kids because kids were part of the family wealth enterprise on farms.

Today, kids are more of an expense and burden in the West. If you really want to have the full time job of raising them along with paying for the privilege of doing so, have at it. I’ll pass...

I think the point is fair - and I think that having kids in your 20s is a huge financial burden. Waiting until mid 30s is probably much more financially comfortable but then they won't be on their own until your mid 50s.

On the other hand, a lot of American parents are f****g idiots when it comes to spending money on their kids. Raising kids doesn't have to be that expensive. A while back I posted on this, but you don't need a 6 bedroom house and two fully loaded minivans, you don't need to take kids on lavish vacations or pay a fortune for activities. At the place I used to work one woman spent like $30k/year on figure skating for her daughter from the time she was 5 until 18 years old. This woman was flat out broke, her daughter left for college out of state and weighs like 200lbs now

I remember one of my childhood friend's had an enormous RV that they probably paid $100k for to drive to camp. They later declared bankrupcty and moved away. Whereas my dad took us camping at the local forest with a simple tent and we had just as much , if not more fun fishing, running in the woods, playing sports, and cooking food over a campfire.

Chasing that American Dream malarkey and trying to outdo the Joneses causes that debt slavery.

I think more and more Americans are waking up to it, but most still fall prey to the consumption at all costs trap.

[yick]

The reason people have kids is some vainglorious bullshit about leaving your valuable genes around for mankind If you get to the truth of why Winston had young Angelo that will be the reason whether he admits it or not.

It's a selfish desicion in most cases. Mediocre people raising kids to be mediocre, at least I have the self-reflection not to burden this planet with my offspring, the last thing this planet needs is one more person because it comes from my loins. The Chinese, the Filipinos, many countries in Africa, India - none of them are stopping anytime soon in producing billions of useless human garbage without an original thought between them, who have no use to anyone but to take up more of the world's resources (as well as being violent, dishonest, greedy, stupid, selfish etc - just basically of no use to anyone), someone has got to stop the madness of brainless reproduction - we will see out our lives without food and water shortages but 100 or 200 years into the future - this will start to become a problem as the world population gets up to 10-15 billion people on this planet and plentiful food and a fresh water supply starts to become a problem in maintaining.

I didn't mention the First World because they are managing to socially depopulate their populations, making it harder to raise kids these days - my dad raised a rather large family on one wage, impossible these days. Not many of my friends back home have kids.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

The reason people have kids is some vainglorious bullshit about leaving your valuable genes around for mankind

It's a selfish decision in most cases.

I actually look for people who say, "I want to have kids." That is a telltale sign of self-absorption and narcissism.

I only view positively those who say, "I would like to RAISE children," which is a hugely different set of expectations. Merely having kids is something any village idiot can do. But RAISING them into super productive and successful adults is altogether different and that is unachievable for most parents. Most kids turn out average and unremarkable.

[Cornfed]

I actually look for people who say, "I want to have kids." That is a telltale sign of self-absorption and narcissism.

It's a pretty extraordinary death-cultish view that you see not wanting to go extinct as a character flaw. However, don't let me discourage you. The last thing the world needs is more blacks.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

I actually look for people who say, "I want to have kids." That is a telltale sign of self-absorption and narcissism.

It's a pretty extraordinary death-cultish view that you see not wanting to go extinct as a character flaw. However, don't let me discourage you. The last thing the world needs is more bjlacks.

And how many kids do you have? None? To what can we attribute your inability to have kids when you so strongly advocate having them? I’m sure we can all figure that out without much thought.

And I hate to break it too you, but my family has been pumping out TONS of children over the years. How about yours?