Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
MrMan wrote:
Would I want any of my relatives to not want to be responsible for or raise his kids? No.
Virtue signaling alert! There is nothing in MGTOW that encourages people not to be responsible for their kids. For you to suggest that is disingenuous and a sign that your position is weak. That is as bad as if said I would not want any of my married relatives to physically harm their children (suggesting that you support that.) This is partly why you are branded a Cuck, because cucks do this sort of thing.
It's not MGTOW. One could follow MGTOW religiously and be celibate like a monk. You've posted in favor of prostitution and posted about picking up women at bars and trying to sleep with them. If you do that, even with a condom, you could have some little bastards children running around in different parts of the world that you do not know about and that you did not raise. Encouraging men to sleep around with prostitutes or with chicks they meet in bars encourages this sort of thing.
If 'cucks' like to brand people wrongly, what do you call someone who uses a word like 'cuck', to refer to a cuckhold, but to someone who has a different position on family. Cuck, a word that rhymes with the f-word.
If you had something decent to say, you wouldn't have to resort to name-calling. But this is a MGTOW thing in my experience. They like to call names and accuse, especially when presented with a well-reasoned argument.
MrMan wrote:
Trying to push this philosophy on all men doesn't make sense either.
Virtue signaling alert? Here you go again, but this time you are PROJECTING. MGTOW does not "push" anything on anyone.
Duh. What are you posting for? What was all that about trying to keep young men from making mistakes. You do push this philosophy in your posts. I promote things like marriage, sexual morality, and raising your own kids.
Men gravitate to MGTOW when it validates what they always believed deep down but women and Cucks like yourself attacked or shamed them for it. Again, this is partly why you are branded a Cuck, because cucks make these kinds of baseless accusations.
If I shame someone, I've generally got some real substance to shame them with. You just use a name in a way that doesn't fit the definition and call people 'cucks.' In my conversations with MGTOWs, they tend to call names when presented with well-reasoned arguments.
But your "hard wiring" argument is foolish. Some people are introverts and some are extroverts by their hard wiring. You are making the false assumption that because you are not able to function without a relationship, everyone else is as weak and needy as you are in that regard. Not true.
I am talking about relationships, not just 'a relationship.' If some men want to go be single for life, that's fine with me. They just shouldn't throw stones at those who have families and raise the next generation who will fry the burgers, run the cash registers, and deliver goods and services to the store they shop at in the next 20 to 25 years. MGTOWs live in a world that exists as it does because other people do have relationships with other people.
What I am saying is it is not healthy to be totally disconnected with other people. Relationships include family relationships with parents and children, not just with a wife or girlfriend. F Friendships are relationships.
And plenty of men who are introverts date, get married, have kids, etc. Your introvert v. extrovert argument isn't valid. Introverts are supposed to be those who feel 'energized' by spending time alone, and extroverts feel 'energized' by being with people. But it is a matter of degree. One could be an introvert and still spend a lot of time with people, have families, etc.
MrMan wrote:
Caring about other people besides yourself is a normal thing. It's also a good thing. It's not bad if a man wants a woman he can care for who can care for him, if he wants to take care of his kids.
Virtue signaling alert! Here you go again... No one will dispute that caring for other people is good, but MGTOW men know that caring for oneself is first and foremost for men in systems and cultures where men are exploited as utilities and bank machines.
You just use a word that rhymes with f&*#@ then make up definitions as you go along? And you complain about 'shaming' men?
Legal injustices in the western world are no reason for men to give up on having a woman, having a family, or other natural and normal things they want. It isn't good for society either for every man to go MGTOW. MGTOWs like yourself benefit from the stability that those who have stable families contribute to the world.
If all the men went MGTOW, and in your 70's, all the other men are retired and there are no young men to deliver a washing machine to your house, what would you do? If all men were monks who had nothing to do with women, we'd all suffer when everyone retired or was too old to life goods. If kids aren't raised by their fathers, the crime rate increases, kids grades go down. That effects safety, technological development and other things.
Again, this is partly why you are branded a Cuck, because cucks like yourself often ignore the interest and well being of the individual man in favor of "others" especially women.
You ignore the interest of society, so does that make you Cucktrarian expat? Men's interests and needs do not fundamentally change if unjust laws are passed. Lobby to change the legal system if you think it is a problem.
And I read that you were in Russia. Does the arguments for MGTOW even apply in their system? The legal system doesn't extract large sums of money and give them to men where I live.
MrMan wrote:
Other people are valuable, and it is good to have children, people who came from you that you have a relationship with, family to share your life with.
Virtue signaling alert! People are valuable? Really? MGTOW could never have realized this without your brilliant revelation! But on a serious note, you again are focused on just how valuable "Other people" are over the value of the men themselves. I am noticing a pattern here with you. Also, it is not always "good" to have children. Some people go bankrupt because of children, some people produce criminals and murderers among their children, and some people live horrible, deprived lives because some idiot told them that having children was "Good" just because. Again, this is partly why you are branded a Cuck, because cucks make these kinds of blanket statements about what is "Good" without critical thought about the impact on the individual man and what he wants.
I could just list a bunch of things you are doing and arguing for that I dsagree with and say, "A cuck does"--- whatever it is you are doing. I suspect the reason you resort to name-calling and empty shameless tactics is because of the lack of substance of your viewpoint.
It is good to have kids and raise them. It's good to have foster kids. Am I saying everyone should have foster kids? No, but that's a good thing. Your the one interpreting things as a 'blanket statment.' Does that make you a cuck?
MrMan wrote:
Men who have kids and then just choose not to raise them, those are the one who are being immoral. It's selfish, and it's wrong to go around impregnating women and not raise the offspring. I want to raise all my kids. That's wrong. It doesn't make me a 'cuck', either.
What does men not raising their kids have to do with MGTOW? Falsely suggesting that MGTOW advocates men having kids and not raising them, is makes you a veritable Cuck, not the encouraging of men to raise the kids they sire.
If you don't get married or get in relationships with women, how likely is it that you are going to actually raise your own child, in your home? Dad being out of the home is disadvantageous for children on a number of measures. Do you read any manosphere stuff besides MGTOW?
MrMan wrote:
You can call a man who wants a woman of his own and to have kids a 'cuck.' That doesn't change the hard wiring, and it doesn't make your philosophy right.
We call men who cowardly demonize other men who want to be free to do what is right for themselves over being a slave to marriage and family Cucks
If you call men who demonize other men who want to be free to do what is right for themselves 'cucks', then you should call yourself Cucktrarian expat.
which is what you are. The fact that MGTOW is a lifestyle and mindset that is right for men is what makes it right in general, but not for you since you play for the team that demonizes the male prerogative and side with traditionalism and females.
You have just bought in to the cowardly overreaction of MGTOWs. If the legal system is messed up, men ought to rise up and change it, not go run from women. It sounds like you went the player route.
You talk about being rich. For ages, a simple measure of wealth that even a poor man could obtain was to have a woman of his own.
That is immoral and that is why less and less men are agreeing with you as time goes on. MGTOW is growing, and CUCKS like you are perishing in a slow and deserved death.
You should get a grip on reality. There are thousands of little philosophies, conspiracy theories, etc. that have followings of thousands on Youtube and other parts of the web. That doesn't mean the philosophy, etc. is making a huge impact on society.
There has been a decrease in marriage. That doesn't mean the whole MGTOW philosophy has grown to any significant number, percentage wise.
For every case of a woman or wife doing something good for a man like your examples, I can give you TWO cases of women harming, poisoning, or even killing a man when she could no longer control him for her selfish purposes.
I've been married quite a long time. That's a woman cooking thousands of meals for me, some of them gourmet. My wife changed a little bandage on my back I couldn't get to for a wound I got last week. If I really thought it through, or kept count, there are thousands and thousands of things? How many murders can you realistically keep count of? You couldn't even collect enough stories of women taking men to the cleaners in divorce court as a married man married to a decent woman could recount acts of kindness. I'm sure I've had sex with my wife more times than you could recount incidents of wives murdering or divorcing their husbands. Do you have a few thousand accounts of wives murdering their husbands? She's cooked me more meals.
It is dangerous in some ways to marry in the US, especially if one is not very, very selective. But there are decent women out there who don't ever divorce their husbands, and there are good strong marriages. That may be the minority, but they do exist. There are ways to put oneself in a position where, statistically, the chances of divorce are low.
But the MGTOW arguments don't work in much of the world. Get out of the Anglo and Western Europe sphere where the government doesn't penalize men for their wives leaving them, and there aren't a lot of strong MGTOW arguments to be made.
Again, this is partly why you are branded a Cuck, because Cucks view women as never being in the wrong when they disagree with any man.
Well, then I'm not a cuck, then, so there you go. The pro-marriage men on these forums recognize that women can be wrong.
MrMan wrote:
Well when you die you cannot take your children with you either! But with my money, I can leave it to anyone or anything that I wish. I have a will already and when I die there will be charities, friends, and causes which will be richly rewarded. When you die, you will leave likely children in poverty, sadness, and broken lives.
You can't take your children with you.
You have no reason to think that my kids will be in poverty when I do, or that my kids will live broken lives. You are just grasping at straws, and following the MGTOW practice of hurling insults due to the lack of solid, reasoned, arguments.
I have a good career. I also have insurance for my wife and kids. That's probably a small expense you don't worry about. My kids may be sad when I die. Were you sad at your parent's funeral, or do you think you will be if they are still alive? If I die, my kids will most likely cry at my funeral. Even if they are adults, they'll probably shed some kind of tear somewhere, or at least be a bit sad. Do you think any of those booty calls of yours will cry at your funeral? Will they bother to show up?
Not everyone wants to be alone without family. If you do, go your own way. But don't call people names for going their own way if that way includes having a family and people in their life they take care of.
You absolutely deserve your title of Cuck and before you tell people not to call other people names, you should first stop trying to mischaracterize MGTOW with things that are not associated with it. You've done it repeatedly in this post and you have been put in your place because of it.[/quote]
You should read what I say and not jump to conclusions. I did not say that all the ideas of yours that I responded to were 'MGTOW' beliefs. A lot of MGTOWs seem more like bitter celibates than players.
Finally, given the nature of your writing here, I would highly encourage you to verify that your children are really even biologically your children. In my experience, men so deeply Cucked in their views are often unknowingly raising children who were biologically fathered by other men. Not saying that is true with you, because you might already know that your children are not biologically yours!
Again, trashy insults instead of substantial arguments. You can't win at an argument, so you result to these kinds of insults. For much of our marriage, there just weren't that many white men around to father my half-white kids who have half my genes and half my wife's.
