You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

[The_Adventurer]

Laws have nothing to do with it. It's the culture.

Have you ever seen some of these articles on what happens to some muslim refugee women when they make to England or wherever? They start dressing like ho's and running the streets. Now there are laws against that in their home country, and some man, father, brother or husband, would beat the shite out of them for doing such things, but they know no one can beat them in England, or whatever European place, because new laws allow women to, how did you say?, act like beasts and get away with it.

[Yohan]

I still think it's strange that a married man can call himself a MGTOW.

It's actually goes against the definition of what MGTOW means, which is guys who want nothing to do with women.

This is NOT the definition of what MGTOW means - this is what hateful feminists in USA are telling you and you believe that drivel.

Generally said, MGTOW are not against women, but against feminists.

Feminist – a person who believes that women should have legal and cultural advantages over men.

MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way.
This is a broad term to describe men that choose to define their lives based on their own desires. Some men choose to marry, some live the PUA lifestyle, some ghost, etc.

The MGTOW philosophy does not attempt to constrain men into some pre-defined lifestyle.

[Adama]

Laws have nothing to do with it. It's the culture.

Have you ever seen some of these articles on what happens to some muslim refugee women when they make to England or wherever? They start dressing like ho's and running the streets. Now there are laws against that in their home country, and some man, father, brother or husband, would beat the shite out of them for doing such things, but they know no one can beat them in England, or whatever European place, because new laws allow women to, how did you say?, act like beasts and get away with it.

Because in our culture, which includes that of GB unfortunately, women are equal to men and therefore the man has no recourse or authority in the relationship.

The laws are a result of the feminist culture and our leaders being agents for Satan.

In traditional relationships, men have the authority. This is willing subjection on the part of the woman. This is also the individual woman, not women or a group of women.

Also, because a certain percentage of Muslim women have dared to defect, it doesn't mean much of anything in the grand scheme of things.

Remember this here:

But, to my knowledge, Thai men who have trouble with women are relatively small in number, and are not online starting movements or making Youtube videos.

There are all types of people, some are on one side of the line, some are on the other side. Just like a relative few Thai men online aren't necessarily representative of all of Thai men, we can't say that just because a few Muslim women moved to England and became hoes that it's a matter of laws. It's a matter of that woman wanting to be a whore. That's it.

I have no problem with a woman being a whore. None. All I am saying is, beware of whores (and whores are dogs). Educate yourself so that you don't pick one by accident. And even though there are many whores, that doesn't mean there are no good girls. It just means you need to know exactly what a good one is when you find her. What is a good woman? One who adheres to her gender role as the woman.

[Adama]

Generally said, MGTOW are not against women, but against feminists.

Feminist – a person who believes that women should have legal and cultural advantages over men.

MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way.
This is a broad term to describe men that choose to define their lives based on their own desires. Some men choose to marry, some live the PUA lifestyle, some ghost, etc.

The MGTOW philosophy does not attempt to constrain men into some pre-defined lifestyle.

The definitions change depending on who is defining the term. To feminists, feminism is about equality. Likewise MGTOW also define MGTOW only in terms that make them look good. Objective observers know the difference.

[The_Adventurer]

And why can't western men? Because both the men and the women are out of alignment from their biological gender roles. This is a readily admitted goal of feminism and communism. This should not be a shocking revelation, neither should it be hard to accept. This is the only problem. Now you know the problem and how to fix it. Too bad, it's too late for some.

You'll get no argument there, and it is getting worse here in China. I have had this discussion with my Chinese business partner, who fights with his wife all the time. He blames the feminist aspects of communism, even though he is a card carrying party member. It's a different brand of feminism, of course, but still...

I missed the "how to fix it" part, though... I don't think it can be fixed in the west...

[Adama]

And why can't western men? Because both the men and the women are out of alignment from their biological gender roles. This is a readily admitted goal of feminism and communism. This should not be a shocking revelation, neither should it be hard to accept. This is the only problem. Now you know the problem and how to fix it. Too bad, it's too late for some.

You'll get no argument there, and it is getting worse here in China. I have had this discussion with my Chinese business partner, who fights with his wife all the time. He blames the feminist aspects of communism, even though he is a card carrying party member. It's a different brand of feminism, of course, but still...

I missed the "how to fix it" part, though... I don't think it can be fixed in the west...

If you're already married to a tough cookie then it's too late. You win when you choose the woman. You pick the woman who pleases you because it pleases her to do so. Remember that God explained this in the last clause of Genesis 3:16 KJV.

Therefore from the outset, just pick the woman who is obedient. If she is not obedient in the start, she will not ever be obedient to you thereafter. A woman is either in willing subjection to you or she isn't. If she isn't in willing subjection, you should find one who is.

I say willing but it is more automatic or a compulsion; attraction is not a choice and neither is submission, just that some women will submit to you while others will not but will to other men, and some women refuse to submit to any man. That is all there is too it. Naturally she could refuse if she wanted, but it pleases her to submit and she does so. It also disturbs her to upset you, so she does not. (This rules out argumentative women also.)

Unfortunately if you're married you can't divorce as a believer. At least you're not supposed to. I give no advice to sever any marriage.

[Adama]

You'll get no argument there, and it is getting worse here in China. I have had this discussion with my Chinese business partner, who fights with his wife all the time. He blames the feminist aspects of communism, even though he is a card carrying party member. It's a different brand of feminism, of course, but still...

I missed the "how to fix it" part, though... I don't think it can be fixed in the west...

By the way, a woman who submits to you also loves you from the start, in her soul, otherwise she would not submit herself to you. That's why it isn't a choice. It comes from the soul. You can't just find one of these women. They are gifts from the Lord. He must give you one. Even some bad men I know have good wives, amazingly. God is generous. That's why I wait for Him to deliver any gift to me, instead of hunting for it. When the opportunity comes, all I have to do is be brave enough to open my mouth to speak.

[yick]

Is Yohan a MGTOW? He obviously isn't but he supports their general aims regarding a way of life. Because you support something you don't have to actually be one. He is married and has daughters - so he has a life surrounded by women he loves and I am sure he wants the best for them - but still, he can say 'I agree with aspects of it'.

I agree with aspects of it as well, especially as a temporary measure, some men could do with taking a break from the dating scene and spending some quality time with getting themselves sorted out. The last thing some men need is a woman as they bounce from one bad relationship to another.

One man who I think - well actually - two men who could do with just concentrating on themselves and self improving is Matt Hanson and Winston - Winston claims he is searching for the next love of his life. What he needs is a break from women, from sex and get his weight sorted out, same with Matt Hanson - in fact, if Matt Hanson got into shape - he would easily get a woman in America - he could probably also do with going on a 'How to win friends and influence people' course.

Of course, not everyone needs sex - some people have a high sex drive and some can go without for years, some people don't want kids, in fact - I know people who have kids who envy my 'freedom' they have wives, kids, mortgages and they hate their lives - MGTOW is right for some people, but for some people it isn't - all they need is to sort themselves out.

Take time out to travel, learn a language, get fit, put some muscle on your body, learn kung fu, learn how to bake bread, get a degree, get a masters degree, climb a mountain, learn to swim, learn to drive, swim with the dolphins, sort your wardrobe out - sort yourself out first and foremost and the woman will come - I don't know what kind of woman but there is actually someone for everyone.

How many men have died in Thailand because they picked the wrong woman, how many men's last view was of the pavement from 50 feet up as they were about to be chucked out of their condominium that they bought with their life savings by their 'loved one' and the 'boys' - sometimes, you are best off being on your own as you work things out and sort yourself out - the wrong woman is far worse than no woman, and sometimes, you only find out she is the 'wrong' woman far too late.

Having a wife and children are great targets to aim for, but it needs to be with the right person and you need to be the best version of yourself to attract the best person for you - that involves positive 'me' time to sort your life out - if that is temporary MGTOW then that is only a positive thing.

[Yohan]

Is Yohan a MGTOW? He obviously isn't but he supports their general aims regarding a way of life. Because you support something you don't have to actually be one. He is married and has daughters - so he has a life surrounded by women he loves and I am sure he wants the best for them - but still, he can say 'I agree with aspects of it'.

He obviously isn't.... Can you explain, why not?

It's an interesting definition, I never heard before - he obviously isn't but he supports their general aims.....

As far as I know there is nothing in the MGTOW ideology which says a MGTOW cannot marry, at least not with MGTOW outside of USA.
Only in USA I found some really hateful MGTOW online communities, as bad as US-feminist websites.

But USA is not the entire world.

I am surrounded by women? Yes, but I am not living in Europe anymore, I am in Japan, Philippines and Thailand.
I enjoy to be a foreigner and neither my wife nor my 2 daughters and their husbands can speak my native language. Same is true with my Filipina foster daughter in Cebu.

Surrounded by women, that's a bit exaggerated. My 2 daughters are married, not living with us anymore, my foster daughter is in Cebu, I see her only by webcam most of the time and by video chat - it is now only my Japanese wife who is with me all the time.

Supporting MGTOW? Yes, sure. I keep a MGTOW-Forum running as admin together with some other men and sponsor it also financially to avoid advertisers. I welcome MGTOW-men if they want to meet me personally and are passing by in Tokyo, of course I am banned from most mangina and feminist forums and blogs.

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In USA, because of very aggressive MRA/MGTOW groups I think the misunderstanding about MGTOW is the fix brainwashed idea that MGTOW is teaching to reject any contact with ALL women. This is plainly wrong. MGTOW is about rejecting feminism.

The other big misunderstanding is about that MGTOW must be always about a man rejected or badly treated by a Western female as a partner - simply said the claim that MGTOW is exclusively related to a sexual relationship. This presumption is wrong.

Many men became MGTOW because they made very bad experiences and were facing bad treatment and rejection with Western women under totally different circumstances, which are in no way about a sexual relationship. -

For example between them when still very young and their own mother, or sisters, and other female relatives, men who were deeply disappointed about their daughter etc. Other men changed into MGTOW because they feel they were badly treated by the Western legal system.

Simply said, if you talk about MGTOW, you have to get away from the USA-only way of thinking. Try to look beyond its borders, you have to see MGTOW in a wider aspect. You have to ask WHY men changed their life-style into MGTOW.

[yick]

He obviously isn't.... Can you explain, why not?

Because MGTOW (for me) is an actual physical act, something like being a vegetarian - if you say you are a vegetarian but eat meat then you aren't a vegetarian.

You can support the aims of vegetarianism and laud people who become vegetarians without being one yourself (for whatever reason) for me, MGTOW is a positive step towards from freeing yourself from an unhealthy attatchment from female approval (for some men...) this should include for a period of time - abstination, sorting your life out.

Surrounded by women, that's a bit exaggerated.

Except it isn't - you have a wife, two daughters and a foster daughter which is great, as far as I know - none of them are the subject of any kind of doctrine where their aims, ambitions or future lives are curtailed, they all have been or are going to university, they have careers, are married - I mean, I don't really know, just from what you tell me - but there are women in your life. That is all I meant, I didn't mean you are living a Hugh Hefner lifestyle - you have close family relations with a few women, probably more than most men, never mind the ones that post on here. That is all I meant but not an exaggeration in regards relatives - you have a close relationship with four women.

The other big misunderstanding is about that MGTOW must be always about a man rejected or badly treated by a Western female as a partner - simply said the claim that MGTOW is exclusively related to a sexual relationship. This presumption is wrong.

I agree with this, but probably not with the more narrower aims.

A lot of men are their own worst enemies.

If we see the actions of Ryan Locheter in Rio - this kind of behaviour exemplifies the worst traits of spoilt brat, soft American milennial men - the men and women of America are two sides of the same coin.

A lot of men need to take action to improve themselves, blaming feminism and western women can only get someone so far in getting what they want - because sooner or later, they have to search the mirror for the answer to improve their own lives.

I have nothing against rejecting western women personally - if that is the way forward, but a lot of the men don't understand they are the same product as the women they are rejecting in the first place they need to start in regards re-programming is themselves.

The problem with MGTOW at the moment is that there isn't a detailed manifesto - it means whatever it means to whoever adopts it.

To you - it is about a rejection of feminism and misandry, to others, it might mean something different. I don't have a problem with it if an individual dedicates time and effort into making themselves the best they can be instead of taking part in pity wanks with other men about how beastly white western women are.

[Adama]

Because MGTOW (for me) is an actual physical act, something like being a vegetarian - if you say you are a vegetarian but eat meat then you aren't a vegetarian.

You can support the aims of vegetarianism and laud people who become vegetarians without being one yourself (for whatever reason) for me, MGTOW is a positive step towards from freeing yourself from an unhealthy attatchment from female approval (for some men...) this should include for a period of time - abstination, sorting your life out.


To you - it is about a rejection of feminism and misandry, to others, it might mean something different. I don't have a problem with it if an individual dedicates time and effort into making themselves the best they can be instead of taking part in pity wanks with other men about how beastly white western women are.

MGTOW is mostly about the part you dislike, and that is they only hate western (white) women.

I like your implication that it is for a short time, but most of them think it is for a lifetime.

[yick]

MGTOW is mostly about the part you dislike, and that is they only hate western (white) women.

I like your implication that it is for a short time, but most of them think it is for a lifetime.

It seems that way, and it is a shame because MGTOW could be something that could be beneficial to a lot of men to take proactive action into improving themselves.

I find hating western white women counter-productive.

I don't want to date anyone from there but there are some decent people in that demographic - just like some white western men are decent people - they aren't all douchey, whiny, soft, entitled wankers.

I think MGTOW should be loving yourself, striving to be the best you can be within a timeframe of improvement.

It shouldn't matter what white women think - does anyone care what white men think of them? Same f***ing same - or it should be.

The lifetime aspect - I think it is because the gentlemen who want a lifetimes dis-association from women is because they haven't got the answers regarding self improvement - no-one is really around to help them so if they divorce themselves socially from women, it saves them pain - or so they think.

The problem is - MGTOW has no manifesto, no leader - so it can mean whoever it wants to whomever it wants. Yohan feels is means xyz - so, he is correct, my version of MGTOW differs from his

[Yohan]

I find hating western white women counter-productive.

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The problem is - MGTOW has no manifesto, no leader - so it can mean whoever it wants to whomever it wants. Yohan feels is means xyz - so, he is correct, my version of MGTOW differs from his

The 'Western white women hater' of MGTOW you will find in some crazy groups in USA only. Hardly anywhere else -and yes, such men are counter-productive to MGTOW. However in USA you can find any kind of group, any kind of people you can image.

In USA there are plenty of hateful feminist groups, hating ALL straight men, and what about them?

There are also groups of white people hating black people, groups of black people hating white people, Asian groups men and women, hating only white men and their Asian girls with them, English speaking groups hating Spanish speaking people from Mexico, and the list continues. There is no end of such groups. Christian groups hating atheists, Muslims hating Christians, certain groups of Asians hating only other Asian immigrants etc. etc. So what about them?

If you look around in some other MGTOW outside of USA, this is not the case. You will find plenty of messages written by me and others directed to newcomers in the Niceguy and Antimisandry Forum (both NOT USA-based) that 'hate' is a way to nowhere and must be removed out of your mind, regardless what women did with you. - Instead of non-productive 'hating', you should pack your things and move away, to another town or best to another country and start a new life with new people and CUT all contacts with people of your past. - It is the only correct MGTOW solution if you find yourself already in troubles with females. -

I know and met personally other men who followed this advice and are now with a foreign wife since many years without any problems, it's not only about me. - I know also the other side, men who followed their ex-girlfriend or ex-wife, sometimes their daughters, were severely provoked and were ending even in jail. - Simply said, you want to be successful as MGTOW, calm down and remove all and everything what is related to your past - you will never forget, no need even to forgive, but you will start soon to look to your future and not to your past.

You said, MGTOW has no leader or manifesto, there is no universal guideline. - You can say however the same about feminism. US-based feminism is full with hateful literature and quotes by leading US-feminists, going so far to recommend to kill all men, to cage them in a sperm farm, to beat them up, to excuse any crime from women against men etc. and this is all stuff you learn in so-called pro-feminist 'gender studies'. - However you will not find such hateful feminist literature outside of USA/Canada/Australia. Feminism of the Anglosphere is indeed the most toxic movement I know but nobody says any word about it.

In USA feminism is about extorting privileges and advantages without any justification except being a female - feminism is not productive and needs money from outside - it's not only about extorting some extra support from a few men, it is about a huge sum of money extorted also from companies, universities, misusing public funds...

MGTOW is reacting differently - we do not receive money from anywhere, of course compared to powerful feminism, MGTOW are small groups often with different agendas worldwide, and we have to do this out of our own wallet. - MGTOW in India have other problems than MGTOW in Germany for example. So what kind of leadership or manifesto do you expect?

[Yohan]

MGTOW is mostly ..... they only hate western (white) women.

MGTOW do not 'hate' anybody. About certain women - feminists - not necessarily 'white' - we plainly ignore them.

It also should be noticed that 'feminists' are not necessarily 'women', there are male feminists too.

MGTOW is about to learn how to say 'NO' and not to give in to feminist demands.

There is no law which says a man MUST socialize with every kind of local women around him if he does not want that.
Men have to learn that they are under no obligation to please everybody who has a p***y.

Men have a choice too, they might stay single, they might look for a foreign wife, they might just have some friends but no sexual relationship like these Japanese herbivore men.

Simply said, Adama, MGTOW is about that men have a choice too.

[Cornfed]

MGTOW is about to learn how to say 'NO' and not to give in to feminist demands.

Of course they really are giving into the real feminist demand of females being owned by the ZOG and white genocide.