Why MGTOW is gaining

[Yohan]

That's why you who are children of the world listen to me and think I'm nuts, when I've got more sanity in my pinky than you may ever possess yourself (from Jesus Christ who is the light of life).

You're sane? Opposite Day is Wednesday.

Obviously a case of megalomania, considering himself to be enlightened as a messenger from Jesus, he saw him just a few minutes ago when ordering a BigMac in the McDonalds shop at the next corner. LOL

[Eightfold Path]

That's why you who are children of the world listen to me and think I'm nuts, when I've got more sanity in my pinky than you may ever possess yourself (from Jesus Christ who is the light of life).

You're sane? Opposite Day is Wednesday.

Obviously a case of megalomania, considering himself to be enlightened as a messenger from Jesus, he saw him just a few minutes ago when ordering a BigMac in the McDonalds shop at the next corner. LOL

You're German, right? Don't you lot have a significant atheist population?

[Adama]

That's why you who are children of the world listen to me and think I'm nuts, when I've got more sanity in my pinky than you may ever possess yourself (from Jesus Christ who is the light of life).

You're sane? Opposite Day is Wednesday.

Obviously a case of megalomania, considering himself to be enlightened as a messenger from Jesus, he saw him just a few minutes ago when ordering a BigMac in the McDonalds shop at the next corner. LOL

Thank you, Yohan.

[Vendri]

MGTOW is just an Ideological Copy of Feminism, that is in some ways Worse than the thing it claims to hate so much. I will list a few reasons below.

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MGTOW=Feminism #1: Rejection of Family (If you get married or have Children with a woman, EVEN if she is the sweetest, most feminine, man-loving woman on the planet, you are immediately attacked and ostracized from the cult-like herd because you are "Serving" a Woman...Feminism attacks women who get married to masculine, leader-like, loving men and have children with them, and are branded the enemy and ostracized from the cult-like herd because you are serving a Man. Sound familiar or similar?)


MGTOW=Feminism #2: Opposite Gender is Inherently Evil (MGTOW says Women are inherently evil, regardless of what Ethnicity or Nationality they are, NO exceptions. Feminism says Men are inherently evil, regardless of what Ethnicity or Nationality they are, UNLESS they come out and tout the party line of "Women are oppressed by my gender, I must fight for them!", then you are just a puppet to be used for the agenda. Sound familiar or similar?)


MGTOW=Feminism #3: Independence preaching (MGTOW says you must achieve Total independence from Women and Never need them for Anything, even the NATURAL desire to have Children. Feminism says you must achieve Total independence from Men and Never need them for Anything, even the NATURAL desire to have Children, unless the Children tout the party line and can be used as a financial weapon against the Man in the inevitable Divorce of "I'm bored with this, I filed for divorce" which comes ALOT from American women who are bored with a nice stable life with a nice loving man. Sound familiar or similar?)
I even saw an example of this on ID (Investigation Discovery) on a show called Fatal Vows, portraying an American couple, where a nice, loving, family-oriented Introverted man eventually got married to a "Fun"-loving, Extroverted woman with a previous mentally unstable background and Already had two children before even Meeting him, I believe. She eventually got bored of her man, got divorced, used the children as a weapon, et cetera...and when he Finally got the kids Full Custody from her, she set him up to be Killed. How did this start? Why was this man's life taken, what were the roots? She was "Bored" in her marriage, he was not "Fun enough", That was the catalyst.


MGTOWers seem to ignore the fact that, with a Patriarchal, Traditionally-minded, Nuclear family unit (Man as the head, Woman being subservient to the Man, children being subservient to Both, with a moral framework stemming from Traditional values), whatever way varying societies and cultures implemented it through out our species' lifespan, societies FLOURISHED, the Human species continued onward... jump to 1970s-present day, with Feminism from Women, and MGTOW from Men...the Traditional, Patriarchal, Nuclear family unit is no longer in abundance in the West, if even At All, and everything is falling apart. With MGTOW, they make Pro-Patriarchy videos, but they simultaneously tout the line of "Completely ignore women", regardless of said women being Foreign, or American (Anglo). What Patriarchy would these MGTOWers want, a Patriarchy where women, even GOOD ones who are looking to have children with a dominant yet loving man, are ignored and ostracized on impulse of "Oppressing me by serving a woman by taking care of her and her kids which I helped create"? How can this be possible? We have seen from Feminism, that a society with Women ignoring and attacking men, even GOOD ones who are looking to have Children and a nice stable family life are ignored and ostracized on Impulse of "Having to serve a man and stay home to take care of children? Oppression!", is a system that is DOOMED to FAIL, so how can the gender Opposite be ANY different? It's NOT.


These are just the main reasonings that why I see MGTOW as being no more but a Copy of Feminism for the weakest swimmers in the Male gene pool who are ready to ostracize ALL women after a couple bad relationships with Murican women, and not even Bothering to look abroad, where the women, even online, are MUCH friendlier and willing to speak to a man, MUCH more traditional, et cetera. It is pathetic, in my honest opinion..a defeatist, Nihilist ideology which says "To hell with Women, do what YOU want to do", which is a echo of Feminism's "To hell with Men, do what YOU want to do". And what I have read from this thread, It has been further cemented that this "Movement" of MGTOW is doomed to fail, hopefully in a much quieter way, as at least These MGTOWers are not reproducing and dying out old, alone and miserable, in Stark Contrast to Feminists, who ARE reproducing but are spawning more foot soldiers to tout and aggressively implement the Feminist party lines and demands by Force.


I also oppose MRA/MRM and PUAs, but that's a whole other nest of Vipers altogether. For another time, or even Here, if any would indulge me in my opposition to Those movements.

[Yohan]

MGTOW is just an Ideological Copy of Feminism
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I also oppose MRA/MRM and PUAs, but that's a whole other nest of Vipers altogether. For another time, or even Here, if any would indulge me in my opposition to Those movements.

If you oppose MGTOW, MRA and even PUA, I wonder what do you NOT oppose?

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MGTOW are financially independent.

Feminism and MGTOW - there is a very big difference, especially financially. Feminists are not able to survive without sources from outside giving them constantly money.

I also do not know anything about MGTOWs who are trying to take money away from feminists, from public funds or filing lawsuits against companies claiming 'discrimination'.

On the other side feminists are not ashamed to extort money mainly from ex-husbands and ex-boyfriends by claiming 'alimony' 'palimony' and child support even if this man is NOT the biological father.

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Feminism is openly promoting publications of highly revered feminists calling for genocide of all men (Valerie Solanas) and are claiming all sexual contact between a man and a woman should be considered as rape (Adrea Dworkin).

I do not know anything about MGTOW supporting such violent publications against women. If you know such literature, please let me know.

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Rejection of Family - this is a feminist idea from Linda Hirshman, urging married women to file for divorce and to leave their husband and sons.

I never heard something like that from any person who identifies himself as MGTOW urging husbands to leave behind their wives and their children - MRAs are doing exactly the opposite, they fight for their visitation rights.

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Women are oppressed by my gender - this is not true. MGTOW say, that FEMINISM is creating a society considering men as 2nd class people.

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The weakest swimmers in the Male gene pool are not MGTOW, but male feminists. They end badly, and even female feminists do not trust them and dump them. Check out the stories of prominent male feminists and what happened to them.

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At least these MGTOWers are not reproducing and dying out old, alone and miserable, in Stark Contrast to Feminists, who ARE reproducing
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I am sorry to disappoint you, I am MGTOW since many years, I am married and I have children, (and also one foster daughter) - just to add, unlike lesbian feminist couples, I did it myself with my wife together and without using any sperm-bank.

Many MGTOW I know personally have children, but are not interested after divorce to try it again, either because of age or because of financial obligations - I am sure you are aware it is always the man who has to pay the bills after divorce.

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"To hell with Women, do what YOU want to do", which is a echo of Feminism's "To hell with Men, do what YOU want to do"

Somewhat sad to read this. You basically suggest that I should stop supporting my foster daughter in Philippines and not to pay for her education anymore because she is a female and I am MGTOW? Her university costs me now really a lot of money, so you think it is better for me to use this money for myself - as MGTOW are anyway doomed?

I have no intention to do so, but just for your information, many MGTOW are paying for their children, even for children who are not from them as fathers.

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I also noticed you are rather misinformed about what makes men (and sometimes women too) MGTOW.
It's often NOT because of a sexual relationship between a man and a woman going wrong.

And anyway, what is wrong if a man decides to remain single? Can you explain me that?

[Vendri]

@Yohan

"If you oppose MGTOW, MRA and even PUA, I wonder what do you NOT oppose?"

I am aligned with the Happier Abroad crowd and it's Ideals of Traditionalism and going abroad to find Happiness and the family people like Me desire. You know how in politics there is what is called a "Third-Position" or "Third Way"? I consider Going abroad and living Happily with a traditional wife and kids, and Not wasting time convincing men to Never give women a chance (MGTOW),Negotiating a nonexistent middle ground with Feminists (MRM/MRA/Gender Egalitarians), or "Banging" women left and right and not ever having a Meaningful relationship with them, be it Romantic or Platonic (PUA/Pick-up Artist) a Fourth-Position, a Fourth Way. I have been following this site in the shadows since 2013, and I appreciate most of what I see here, except for posts like This.


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Feminism and MGTOW - there is a very big difference, especially financially. Feminists are not able to survive without sources from outside giving them constantly money.

I also do not know anything about MGTOWs who are trying to take money away from feminists, from public funds or filing lawsuits against companies claiming 'discrimination'.

On the other side feminists are not ashamed to extort money mainly from ex-husbands and ex-boyfriends by claiming 'alimony' 'palimony' and child support even if this man is NOT the biological father"

I am aware of this sir. That is why I mentioned how Feminists use children as weapons against the Husband, do not thnk I am unaware.

2 -Feminism is openly promoting publications of highly revered feminists calling for genocide of all men (Valerie Solanas) and are claiming all sexual contact between a man and a woman should be considered as rape (Adrea Dworkin)."

Julie Bindel is the latest example of this, I am aware. If savages like her are swaying women in Britain, then it further deters me from Ever going there to find a family, not that I ever wanted to go there to begin with.

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"Rejection of Family - this is a feminist idea from Linda Hirshman, urging married women to file for divorce and to leave their husband and sons.

I never heard something like that from any person who identifies himself as MGTOW urging husbands to leave behind their wives and their children - MRAs are doing exactly the opposite, they fight for their visitation rights."

That is Not rejection of family, that I would consider Relinquishing of Family AKA giving up or Throwing Away your family. What I refer to is MGTOW convincing men to not even CONTEMPLATE accepting the task of creating a family (Reject): Just completely ignore the natural desires and mirror the sort of "I'm strong independent and need No man" rhetoric that Feminists throw out, except replace "Man" with "Woman". Relinquishment and Rejection are two different things, buddy, with Two different definitions. Feminists use a hybrid of both, and MGTOW uses straight-up REJECTION propaganda tactics of "Ignore All Women".


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"Women are oppressed by my gender- this is not true. MGTOW say, that FEMINISM is creating a society considering men as 2nd class people"

This quote of "Women are oppressed by my gender" I apply to Male Feminists and others like them, not MGTOWs.

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"The weakest swimmers in the Male gene pool are not MGTOW, but male feminists. They end badly, and even female feminists do not trust them and dump them. Check out the stories of prominent male feminists and what happened to them."

Which is why I said Male Feminists are puppets of the agenda: When they slip up or have no further use, they Rid themselves of them, like Trash. MGTOWs are puppets as well, by not reproducing and letting their time on the planet to go to waste.


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At least these MGTOWers are not reproducing and dying out old, alone and miserable, in Stark Contrast to Feminists, who ARE reproducing
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"I am sorry to disappoint you, I am MGTOW since many years, I am married and I have children, (and also one foster daughter) - just to add, unlike lesbian feminist couples, I did it myself with my wife together and without using any sperm-bank."

The Married-MGTOWer paradox... For a "Movement" that preaches Independence, Going your Own Way, and Not Needing Women, you do Not know what that means. As soon as you commit to having a Wife and Children, you stop "Going your Own Way" and at the point when the child is birthed, you walk alongside her, Hand in Hand, down the path (Way) of the Family. Not exactly going your "Own Way" after childbirth then, is it? At the point of putting that ring on her finger and kissing the bride, MGTOW is mute, most MGTOWs and their ringleaders accept this as Fact within MGTOW.

"Many MGTOW I know personally have children, but are not interested after divorce to try it again, either because of age or because of financial obligations - I am sure you are aware it is always the man who has to pay the bills after divorce."

Yes. And?

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"To hell with Women, do what YOU want to do", which is a echo of Feminism's "To hell with Men, do what YOU want to do"

"Somewhat sad to read this. You basically suggest that I should stop supporting my foster daughter in Philippines and not to pay for her education anymore because she is a female and I am MGTOW? Her university costs me now really a lot of money, so you think it is better for me to use this money for myself - as MGTOW are anyway doomed?"

See, now you are trying to paint me as a misogynist because of your Cognitive Dissonance involving a contradictory set of ideals (MGTOW+Traditionalism, being Married with offspring) which do NOT go together. One preaches similar things Feminists do such as No Marriage, No Family, Independence reigns Supreme, et cetera, and the OTHER Embraces Marriage, Embraces Family and keeping the family afloat and Happy is Essential. This tactic of yours won't work.


"I have no intention to do so, but just for your information, many MGTOW are paying for their children, even for children who are not from them as fathers."

Not exactly GTOW, is it?

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"I also noticed you are rather misinformed about what makes men (and sometimes women too) MGTOW.
It's often NOT because of a sexual relationship between a man and a woman going wrong."

Women MGTOWers? WHY would there be Women in a "Movement" which attacks from ALL angles, encourages ostracization of them
and sees Women as inherently Evil, a "Movement" with the abbreviation MGTOW (MEN Going Their Own Way)? Stop with the paradoxes, twisting words around and contradicting yourself, None of it is helping your attempt at a case.



"And anyway, what is wrong if a man decides to remain single? Can you explain me that?"


That should be up to the individual, and the individual ALONE. Why feel the need to propagate others to do the same thing, and potentially rob them of a nice life with a beautiful foreign lady? Just make the decision and move on with your life, don't propagate other men to follow your failed "Movement"'s lead down a cliff that, if ascending high enough into MGTOW. Is LEAVE society altogether.

Many people in this thread see MGTOW as incredibly flawed at the core, foolish and doomed, and I share this opinion wholeheartedly. I have not seen One coherent argument in FAVOR of MGTOW, except This:

Have an MGTOW attitude (Reject American women and Marriage with them) while in America, but after moving Abroad, Relinquish (see what I'm doing?) the MGTOW attitude and look for a Traditional married lifestyle, but even That is a double-edged sword, as you'd have to give up the horribly flawed ideals MGTOW has anyway.

It has No real foundation to stand on, even borrowing certain Feminist rhetoric, attitudes and ideals. Prove me, and many others, wrong. For example, RockingMrE, a Libertarian Youtuber, came out a long time ago and attacked it, calling MGTOW a Cult similar to Feminism in a lot of ways.

[Yohan]

The Married-MGTOWer paradox... For a "Movement" that preaches Independence, Going your Own Way, and Not Needing Women, you do Not know what that means. As soon as you commit to having a Wife and Children, you stop "Going your Own Way"

MGTOW is not against ALL women in general, and not against marriage, but it is against feminism.
If you think, MGTOW is against ALL women you read too many feminist websites and too few MGTOW-blogs.

"I have no intention to do so, but just for your information, many MGTOW are paying for their children, even for children who are not from them as fathers."
Not exactly GTOW, is it?

There is no reason for MGTOW to run away from their obligations regarding their children, more the opposite. MRAs are strongly fighting for their visitation rights, exposing ridiculous court rulings against men, etc.

About not paying for their children, you should check out child support payments from females to their ex-husbands - such court rulings are rare but they do exist, but they are ignored by most mothers without facing consequences.

As man you might even face jail for non-payment, but I was never able to trace even a single case of a woman unwilling to pay child-support who was sent behind bar. - Not even one!

Women MGTOWers? WHY would there be Women in a "Movement" which attacks from ALL angles, encourages ostracization of them
and sees Women as inherently Evil, a "Movement" with the abbreviation MGTOW (MEN Going Their Own Way)? Stop with the paradoxes, twisting words around and contradicting yourself, None of it is helping your attempt at a case.

MGTOW do not attack women, they attack feminism. You seem to be tricked and blinded by feminist lies.

And yes, there are female GTOW, not so many but they do exist - they join mostly because of their sons, who got in trouble and lost everything in Western feminist society despite they had good intentions. Some other women made good experience with their fathers in their childhood, but were badly treated or abandoned by their mothers and strongly questing the mindset of 'bad fathers, good mothers' - etc.

You see MGTOW only between men and women who are into a sexual relationship. This is the wrong way to go if you want to understand MGTOW.

MGTOW is often not about that, but about mothers and boys, fathers and daughters, abandoned children rejected by mothers, disputes between brothers and sisters, mistreatment of children by female relatives, false accusations by female class-mates and co-workers and so on.

Often MGTOW has nothing to do with a sexual relationship.

Many MGTOW do not really like to be MGTOW, I agree with you in this aspect. We see it however as an obligation to talk back to feminism. Somebody must go ahead and wash this dirty laundry, which otherwise would be 'forgotten', 'ignored' 'pushed away by biased court-rules' etc.

I have not seen One coherent argument in FAVOR of MGTOW, except This:
Have an MGTOW attitude (Reject American women and Marriage with them) while in America, but after moving Abroad, Relinquish (see what I'm doing?) the MGTOW attitude and look for a Traditional married lifestyle, but even That is a double-edged sword, as you'd have to give up the horribly flawed ideals MGTOW has anyway.

Your idea is similar to many members I meet in MGTOW Forums all the time - first they act like MGTOW, after they move away and find a foreign woman, find a job abroad etc. and settle down overseas and disappear into silence and inactivity. - This works often for a few years and we hear nothing about them.

I can assure you however many MGTOW members are coming back later on and tell us what happened to them in the MGTOW Forum I am using since over 10 years. They did not forget us. Some are telling us they found now a peaceful life but keep a little contact with us, others are telling us it went wrong and they will try to start again. Well...

We do not know about our future, but we as MGTOW help some men to avoid some certain mistake in their life.

[NorthAmericanguy]

That is the uncomfortable truth. Most people on this forum appear to be sex tourists. There are a few decent, driven men who actually want to find love and build up a life for themselves, but lust and a need to be validated drives the vast majority. This is a truth so uncomfortable and inconvenient, people would rather not hear it.

For most people on this site, HappierAbroad is not about finding love or a wife. It is not something they do as a return to traditionalism, it is not something they do to strike a blow at feminism. Their beef with feminism is not that feminism kills the family unit, or that it promotes boundless promiscuity, infidelity as "empowering", creates an anti-male rhetoric... this does not matter to them as much as they claim. Their beef with feminism is "feminism promotes promiscuity and bitches STILL won't suck my cock!"
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Personally, I take offence to this. A man who is looking for a wife is no more decent than a man who is involved in different uncommitted romantic relationships. Good god, not everybody wants to get married nor should they, and looking for love after the age of 25 I feel is rather juvenile.

Sex for a male is an important need that needs to be satisfied to stay sane and healthy regardless if you are married or not.

[Adama]

and looking for love after the age of 25 I feel is rather juvenile.

That just shows you are not thinking clearly.

[Yohan]

That is the uncomfortable truth. Most people on this forum appear to be sex tourists. There are a few decent, driven men who actually want to find love and build up a life for themselves...
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Personally, I take offence to this. A man who is looking for a wife is no more decent than a man who is involved in different uncommitted romantic relationships.

I think, there is no reason at all to take offence to anything which is written here in this HA-Forum.

If you really do, better to quit as soon as possible as you might suffer a heart attack.

This forum is a place for everybody, coming from everywhere, with totally different opinions about how to arrange their way of life.

To find in this forum a 'place in the middle' is totally impossible. If somebody is for it, another one is against it whatever this might be.
You cannot please everybody. You cannot be friend with everybody.

This is a free speech forum with almost not existing moderation. A very unique creation. Do not take it seriously whatever you read here!

You will find here sex-tourists vs. a man who dreams of a long-term relationship with a foreign wife and many children.
Apossible solution between - and this is not a joke - might be to create a child with a foreign girl and leave her for a fun-tour to elsewhere to meet women who are superior to her.

You will find MGTOW comments vs. feminist-friendly postings even questioning the idea to move away from USA, the best place in the world to pay for hostess-services.

You will meet religious bigots against atheists, the Bible against a fake-Buddhist showing up with arguments about the Jews.

There are Asian-Americans who feel even more discriminated than black people in USA who in return will respond with racist BS-talk. The next step is coming in from a white American, claiming that black people are not even humans, but primates. And the next thread showing up on your screen is nothing but a troll posting data-garbage about the end of this world...

Take this forum as it is - sometimes I don't know if I should laugh or cry - but after thinking it over for a moment I choose to laugh...
Really anything you can imagine you will find in this HA-Forum.

TAKE IT EASY. THIS HA-FORUM IS FUN!

[Yohan]

Most MGTOW are interesting in contact with females - MGTOW are not against women, but against feminists.

You are using the NAWALT-fallacy though... a fallacy (Not All Women Are Like That!) used by MGTOWs to mock men who believe some women are different then the stereotypical immoral valley girl American.

By using the NAWALT-argument as an accusation, it is clear that the movement IS, at it's core, against women the same way feminism is against men. NAWALT is used by MGTOW to shame men who believe foreign women are different, and who claim being with a woman and getting married is essentially a trap anywhere you go.

It seems you are misinformed.

NAWALT is not a term created by MGTOW and is never used by MGTOW to mock other men.

NAWALT is used by women to create an exemption of the rule. 'I am the different girl' - It is a feminist standard excuse to justify unacceptable bad behavior of females when exposed to public. -

It has often nothing to do with MGTOW but feminists use it as 'shaming language' against men.

Women are not violent, says the feminist.

If MGTOW tell her, this is not true and offering her various evidence and asking why are these women not in jail, the feminist will answer NAWALT.... or 'What about the menz...?'

She will never say violent women should be sentenced to the same jail term as men....

[The_Adventurer]

You will find here sex-tourists vs. a man who dreams of a long-term relationship with a foreign wife and many children.
Apossible solution between - and this is not a joke - might be to create a child with a foreign girl and leave her for a fun-tour to elsewhere to meet women who are superior to her.

Preposterous! Who would do such a thing?!

[Vendri]

It seems you are misinformed.

NAWALT is not a term created by MGTOW and is never used by MGTOW to mock other men.

In my experience, it is. And I have actually visited MGTOW blogs, read their discussions, their posts, their threads. They shame men who go after foreign women, for believing foreign women to be any different. In the MGTOW perspective, the most widespread and dominant view seems to be: all women are the same, by nature. They are all hypergamous. They are all fickle. And every single one of them, no matter who she is or where she's from, will leave you the second she can exchange you for a "superior man". This is their belief.

They demonize women to the same ridiculous degree as feminists demonize men. And no, they don't just focus on feminimsm: the woman in general is "the enemy". Marriage, family, is a trap. This is the mindset. The entire movement is focused on one gender: men. It is not focused on improving relations between the genders. It is not focused on the rights of men. Rather, it is about seeing every woman and having serious relationships with one as a risk, and being, as you yourself often stated: "risk averse".

Women are dangerous. Women are a risk. Relationships, families, stability, a risk. Love, a risk, if they even still believe in love. All risks that should be avoided at all costs. This is MGTOW's core belief. A man who will say: "actually, there are good women out there", will be dismissed as "naive". They may even call you naive, Yohan, and say that since you found your wife many decades ago your views are no longer accurate as quality of women have since detoriated even abroad.


The "man going his own way" is determined to die alone. He is not so easily persuaded otherwise.

So have I. I have done the same and visited the threads, watched the videos, read the quotes, et cetera...they are against Marriage, against women, they HATE women....they have gone on record SAYING this. If they didn't hate women, why would they discourage looking ABROAD for women like Winston Wu has been doing on HappierAbroad?

It is because MGTOW is NOT on our side, they are working AGAINST us, by using Anti-Feminist rhetoric, which MGTOW all ends at "Well, you now know Western women are terrible, and ALL women are like that, so don't even Bother with Foreign women or Marriage to a foreigner or children and live like US! Strong, independent, don't need no woman (Sound familiar?)!"

To suggest that MGTOW is strictly against Feminism and Not women in general, coming from a MGTOW Pundit, even After people absorbing all of the evidence Stating my case and evidence that goes Against what he is saying, is simply Lies. Have he no shame?

[Yohan]

..they are against Marriage, against women, they HATE women....they have gone on record SAYING this. If they didn't hate women, why would they discourage looking ABROAD for women...
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To suggest that MGTOW is strictly against Feminism and Not women in general, coming from a MGTOW Pundit, even After people absorbing all of the evidence Stating my case and evidence that goes Against what he is saying, is simply Lies. Have he no shame?

Prove it!

I cannot see any evidence in your comment. I see only empty accusations, but nothing which is proving what you say about MGTOW and against me personally.

Show me any of these MGTOW Forums, which are AGAINST men who are looking abroad for foreign women.
Show me any MGTOW Forum, which openly says it supports HATE against ALL women.

I am firmly with MGTOW sites since over 10 years, I am supporting a MGTOW-Forum financially and have admin-rights, I also made over 10.000 comments.

What about showing me such HATE-comments in the forum I am using all the time? There are over 700.000 comments, have fun to read them all.

I have never posted 'ALL-WOMEN-HATE' comments in my life or never said MGTOW is not supporting international interracial marriage.
I am not aware of such comments by other members in the MGTOW-Forum I am using every day.

[Yohan]

I have actually visited MGTOW blogs, read their discussions, their posts, their threads. They shame men who go after foreign women, for believing foreign women to be any different.

Show me such a MGTOW-Forum which is supportive to shame MEN who are looking for a relationship with a foreign woman.



I am very familiar with several MGTOW Forums. I am strongly supportive to one MGTOW forum where I have admin-rights.
I am not aware of such comments, despite I am using it since over 10 years and the forum contains over 700.000 comments.

Prove what you say. Show me those comments - links please.

it is about seeing every woman and having serious relationships with one as a risk, and being, as you yourself often stated: "risk averse".
Women are dangerous. Women are a risk. Relationships, families, stability, a risk. Love, a risk, if they even still believe in love.

I see nothing wrong with being risk-averse. Please explain, what is so bad or wrong with being risk-averse. So you think, because a woman claiming she is in love, you should marry her and take over her unpaid student loans? Or live together with a woman who has already 3 children from 3 different fathers taking over their child-support even after a possible breakup? What about dating women in prison? Plenty of websites offering desperate girls behind bars.

They may even call you naive, Yohan, and say that since you found your wife many decades ago your views are no longer accurate as quality of women have since detoriated even abroad.

So far this is not the case, at least not in MGTOW forums I am using since over 15 years - MGTOW members were always nice to me.

About HappierAbroad, it is not really a MGTOW-site, despite some elements are quite similar.
I do not take it seriously if something is written against me, but it is strange that members of a website which is promoting living abroad, socializing with foreign women etc. are calling me naive or being a liar etc.

I am accustomed to abusive and threatening comments from feminists, racists and religious bigots from USA. I simply do not care.