RamZpaul on mudshark murder

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Adama wrote:Why not just become a Christian and then actually go to heaven? Sounds better than taking the old testament yet not going to heaven. You can invent any rules you want for your household, as long as it doesnt oppose God's laws.
Everyone should believe what makes sense to them. I am not going to choose a belief based on what it promises, that would be dishonest.

In any case, there is no conflict between the Old Testament and the New Testament, so any Christian can follow both, and that would put me and them on the same side since I support anyone who follows the Old Testament regardless of their other beliefs. (The Talmud twists the Old Testament beyond recognition, so Talmudic Judaism does not follow the Old Testament.)


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fschmidt wrote:
Adama wrote:Why not just become a Christian and then actually go to heaven? Sounds better than taking the old testament yet not going to heaven. You can invent any rules you want for your household, as long as it doesnt oppose God's laws.
Everyone should believe what makes sense to them. I am not going to choose a belief based on what it promises, that would be dishonest.

In any case, there is no conflict between the Old Testament and the New Testament, so any Christian can follow both, and that would put me and them on the same side since I support anyone who follows the Old Testament regardless of their other beliefs. (The Talmud twists the Old Testament beyond recognition, so Talmudic Judaism does not follow the Old Testament.)
So let me get this straight, Franklin. You encourage your wife to talk back to you, and you don't want eternal life.

Jesus said to the Pharisees that if they had believed Moses and his writings that they would have accepted Jesus as their savior. The real reason they rejected Jesus is because they didnt believe the Old Testament.

Anyone who believes the Bible is 100% true will go to heaven. But those who don't believe in Jesus will never believe the Bible is true. They think they are just illustrations on how to live and a means of control.
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Adama wrote:So let me get this straight, Franklin. You encourage your wife to talk back to you, and you don't want eternal life.
I encourage both my wife and my kids to "talk back" to me. Encouraging debate is one aspect of Judaism that I like. I know that my wife and kids can stand up for their beliefs because if they can debate with me, they can debate with anyone.
Jesus said to the Pharisees that if they had believed Moses and his writings that they would have accepted Jesus as their savior. The real reason they rejected Jesus is because they didnt believe the Old Testament.
Where did Jesus say this (first sentence)?

Your second sentence is true. The Pharisees twisted the Old Testament (just as the Talmud does) and Jesus was arguing for the real meaning of the Old Testament. I like Jesus, I just don't consider him divine.
Anyone who believes the Bible is 100% true will go to heaven. But those who don't believe in Jesus will never believe the Bible is true. They think they are just illustrations on how to live and a means of control.
I am fundamentally a skeptic, I question everything, that is my nature. It just so happens that the Old Testament stands up to my skepticism better than anything else. And in fact with regards to heaven, the Old Testament reflects my skepticism in Ecclesiastes 3:19-21. So my concern isn't heaven, but rather trying to do the best I can here on earth.
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fschmidt wrote:
Adama wrote:So let me get this straight, Franklin. You encourage your wife to talk back to you, and you don't want eternal life.
I encourage both my wife and my kids to "talk back" to me. Encouraging debate is one aspect of Judaism that I like. I know that my wife and kids can stand up for their beliefs because if they can debate with me, they can debate with anyone.
Jesus said to the Pharisees that if they had believed Moses and his writings that they would have accepted Jesus as their savior. The real reason they rejected Jesus is because they didnt believe the Old Testament.
Where did Jesus say this (first sentence)?

Your second sentence is true. The Pharisees twisted the Old Testament (just as the Talmud does) and Jesus was arguing for the real meaning of the Old Testament. I like Jesus, I just don't consider him divine.
Anyone who believes the Bible is 100% true will go to heaven. But those who don't believe in Jesus will never believe the Bible is true. They think they are just illustrations on how to live and a means of control.
I am fundamentally a skeptic, I question everything, that is my nature. It just so happens that the Old Testament stands up to my skepticism better than anything else. And in fact with regards to heaven, the Old Testament reflects my skepticism in Ecclesiastes 3:19-21. So my concern isn't heaven, but rather trying to do the best I can here on earth.


Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? John 5:45-47
You don't believe the Bible because you don't believe in Jesus. In order for you to believe the stories of the Bible, you'd have to have faith in Jesus first. Only after that can the truth be revealed, not before. You'll just be going through the motions of Judaism while in a state of unbelief. You may actually be held more responsible for certain sins (deeper punishment in hell), because you can not use ignorance as an excuse, the punishment might be greater without any grace from Jesus.


God may not even hear you if you do not believe in Him through Jesus Christ:
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:23
You can not believe in God without believing in Jesus. He just told us so. You're denying Jesus.

I think debate may increase the Jewish IQ a few points. Unfortunately I think that is part of Jewish culture which destroys Jewish women. If the Jewish family life was the way to live, then you would be able to live with a non-talmudic Jewish woman. But you can't, because they have those personalities from being raised to debate. Just my opinion on that one though.
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Adama wrote:Jesus said to the Pharisees that if they had believed Moses and his writings that they would have accepted Jesus as their savior.
Where?
Adama wrote: The real reason they rejected Jesus is because they didnt believe the Old Testament.
Nope. They believed the Old Testament.
Adama wrote:Anyone who believes the Bible is 100% true will go to heaven.
Nope.
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fschmidt wrote:Reading Cornfed reminds me of the Talmud. The Talmud says that Jews are not to have sex with gentiles because it is bestiality.
The bestiality idea stems from the question of whether blacks are in fact human, as discussed in another thread. But the important point made here is that white and other human females are putting themselves in great danger by keeping blacks as pets in preference to normal romantic relationships, as are men for that matter.
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pandabear wrote:
Adama wrote: The real reason they rejected Jesus is because they didnt believe the Old Testament.
Nope. They believed the Old Testament.
Nope they believed in the Talmud, i.e. the oral tradition of Rabbis based loosely on the Old Testament.
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Here's some more of Jesus talking about the Jews and their Oral Tradition blocking the commandments of God:

From Mark 7

1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.

2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.

5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.


10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Talmudic Judaism is the oral tradition of the Rabbis. The Pharisees are the spiritual ancestors of modern day Jews. There were previously many forms of Judaism prior to the time of Jesus, but by His time, there were only Pharisees and Sadducees. Modern Jews are the Pharisees, which you can see if you do a simple google search.
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Adama wrote:Talmudic Judaism is the oral tradition of the Rabbis. The Pharisees are the spiritual ancestors of modern day Jews. There were previously many forms of Judaism prior to the time of Jesus, but by His time, there were only Pharisees and Sadducees. Modern Jews are the Pharisees, which you can see if you do a simple google search.
At the time of Jesus there were still a number groups, for example the Essenes. And today we still have Karaite Judaism which is not based on the Pharisees.
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fschmidt wrote:Reading Cornfed reminds me of the Talmud. The Talmud says that Jews are not to have sex with gentiles because it is bestiality.
Perhaps Cornfed is a closeted Jew.
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Adama wrote:Here's some more of Jesus talking about the Jews and their Oral Tradition blocking the commandments of God:

From Mark 7
Okay, I concede. I looked it up. Although the Talmud was written some centuries later, it was based on prior oral traditions, which dated from before the Roman destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem.
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