Old men don't have a clue how hard it is for young men today

[HouseMD]

Life's easy enough if you're smart and have good social skills. But unlike the past, good jobs are hard to find for people who don't have the right degree, and your stability can't get you a leg up with women even if you do secure good employment since they're stable enough on their own.

[xiongmao]

Lol, like it was easier in my day. I graduated in 1993, and there were hardly any jobs out there. Even by 1997 it was very hard indeed to secure your first job, and I really busted my ass learning programming so I could find a job that was in demand.

My experiences of being in Europe this year have been that young people seem to have just given up, and are spending their time thinking about their next tattoo.

[Ghost]

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[Cornfed]

Lol, like it was easier in my day. I graduated in 1993, and there were hardly any jobs out there. Even by 1997 it was very hard indeed to secure your first job, and I really busted my a** learning programming so I could find a job that was in demand.

My experiences of being in Europe this year have been that young people seem to have just given up, and are spending their time thinking about their next tattoo.

How long has this shitty job market bullshit been going on anyway? I thought that things were relatively good until 07/08.

Oh hell no. It depends where you are. Things went to crap in the late 80s in my isolated home town, and sometime in the 90s elsewhere.

[Moretorque]

Lol, like it was easier in my day. I graduated in 1993, and there were hardly any jobs out there. Even by 1997 it was very hard indeed to secure your first job, and I really busted my a** learning programming so I could find a job that was in demand.

My experiences of being in Europe this year have been that young people seem to have just given up, and are spending their time thinking about their next tattoo.

How long has this shitty job market bullshit been going on anyway? I thought that things were relatively good until 07/08.

Oh hell no. It depends where you are. Things went to crap in the late 80s in my isolated home town, and sometime in the 90s elsewhere.

As usual the great one has spoken, if you were not out of college by the mid to late eighties and building a solid foundation by then you basically had the door for security on your future footing shut, at least they have been able to get their housing paid off but it appears their retirement funds are in deep trouble as well.

After the 1987 stock market crash and the SnL debacle the economy has been setup to be gutted except for finance, tech and military. They had the UN summit in 1992 on what America was getting for the 21st century so the early nineties is where they started to really pull the plug on America and her opportunities for the future of it's citizens unless you were well connected with the credit monopolies goals.

This is obviously a world wide scheme and they want no such middle class as America used to have just as stated in the Marxist manifesto.

Please pardon my interruption oh great one.

[HouseMD]

Lol, like it was easier in my day. I graduated in 1993, and there were hardly any jobs out there. Even by 1997 it was very hard indeed to secure your first job, and I really busted my a** learning programming so I could find a job that was in demand.

My experiences of being in Europe this year have been that young people seem to have just given up, and are spending their time thinking about their next tattoo.

How long has this shitty job market bullshit been going on anyway? I thought that things were relatively good until 07/08.

Oh hell no. It depends where you are. Things went to crap in the late 80s in my isolated home town, and sometime in the 90s elsewhere.

As usual the great one has spoken, if you were not out of college by the mid to late eighties and building a solid foundation by then you basically had the door for security on your future footing shut, at least they have been able to get their housing paid off but it appears their retirement funds are in deep trouble as well.

After the 1987 stock market crash and the SnL debacle the economy has been setup to be gutted except for finance, tech and military. They had the UN summit in 1992 on what America was getting for the 21st century so the early nineties is where they started to really pull the plug on America and her opportunities for the future of it's citizens unless you were well connected with the credit monopolies goals.

This is obviously a world wide scheme and they want no such middle class as America used to have just as stated in the Marxist manifesto.

Please pardon my interruption oh great one.

Investment opportunities weren't that bad post SnL. You'd have averaged over 9% returns in the market if you'd put money in starting in '90 and kept on going to today, even with both post-00 crashes factored in.

[Ghost]

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[MrMan]

I'm in Gen X, and when I was young, old people had lived through WWII or the Great Depression. My dad is too old to be a boomer, but he sure worked hard, long hours, hard construction work. My mom worked constantly at home, though she was from the boomer generation. She was a conservative girl from the South, and definitely not a Woodstock hippie. Honestly, they put me to shame with how hard they worked. I realize I need to toughen up a bit compared to them. Some of the boomers may have had it easy in terms of jobs and economy. I don't know. But some of them worked hard. Not all of them went to college and just went wild, and not all the ones who went to college were like that either.

[Cornfed]

Some of the boomers may have had it easy in terms of jobs and economy. I don't know. But some of them worked hard.

The difference is that hard work was actually rewarded back then.

[Ghost]

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[HouseMD]

Some of the boomers may have had it easy in terms of jobs and economy. I don't know. But some of them worked hard.

The difference is that hard work was actually rewarded back then.

Yes, and I'll flesh it out a bit: the work/jobs that the average guy has access to are superfluous, underpaid, and have no value. A shelf stocker at a big box store can't just quit and go learn the skills to be self-sufficient. Best case scenario he can learn those skills (slowly) anyway, but he can't extricate himself from the system of work-consume-taxes. He can reduce his costs some, cut down on consumerism (much harder to do in the U.S.), and learn skills to hopefully get a better job. That's best case scenario. For most men, it will never matter how many hours you put in at a McJob: high costs and shitty wages with no real opportunity for getting out of that rut mean working hard doesn't do much. Most shitty jobs have to be subsidized somehow anyway. They are inherently worthless jobs because they can't cover even basic needs fully. They can be subsidized by living at home with parents or by foodstamps/welfare, but they are subsidized from somewhere.

Why not acquire useful skills? Computer science, engineering, accounting, medicine, etc? You can pick these up at community college for a pittance (after state grants, they were actually passing me to go to college, for instance) and they're highly employable, particularly if you pick up a BS down the road.

[Guyver]

Some of the boomers may have had it easy in terms of jobs and economy. I don't know. But some of them worked hard.

The difference is that hard work was actually rewarded back then.

Yes, and I'll flesh it out a bit: the work/jobs that the average guy has access to are superfluous, underpaid, and have no value. A shelf stocker at a big box store can't just quit and go learn the skills to be self-sufficient. Best case scenario he can learn those skills (slowly) anyway, but he can't extricate himself from the system of work-consume-taxes. He can reduce his costs some, cut down on consumerism (much harder to do in the U.S.), and learn skills to hopefully get a better job. That's best case scenario. For most men, it will never matter how many hours you put in at a McJob: high costs and shitty wages with no real opportunity for getting out of that rut mean working hard doesn't do much. Most shitty jobs have to be subsidized somehow anyway. They are inherently worthless jobs because they can't cover even basic needs fully. They can be subsidized by living at home with parents or by foodstamps/welfare, but they are subsidized from somewhere.

Why not acquire useful skills? Computer science, engineering, accounting, medicine, etc? You can pick these up at community college for a pittance (after state grants, they were actually passing me to go to college, for instance) and they're highly employable, particularly if you pick up a BS down the road.

I agree with this. I finished my BS in Computer Information Systems last year, and now I got a job with a good salary. I'd also like to add that you need to make sure that whatever school you go to has good career services. My advisor had connections which got me interviews. Half of getting the job is who you know.

[Cornfed]

Why not acquire useful skills? Computer science, engineering, accounting, medicine, etc?

By the time they graduate, said skills will probably no longer be in demand, however useful they may be.