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MarcosZeitola wrote:Money won tonight.
Is this what you meant?

Why MONEY wins over MANNY?
-DrCarlBalita

1) It happened in America, and Philippines has no MGM. They have more MONEY!
2) Judges are Americans coz Filipinos cant even find and buy tickets; it is all about MONEY!
3) The boxing fans should be left hanging and protesting to hunger for more, be willing to buy again for the MONEY!
4) Filipinos can just joke out of a loss, Americans can't; but they have the MONEY!
5) Pacquiao has the Philippines behind him, Floyd has his country divided; many Americans were behind Pacquiao and willing to bet their MONEY.
6) Boxing has no rules against running; it is a business of making MONEY!
7) Defense can indeed be the best offense; Running is not a violation; Ellusive boxer becomes a delusional winner with more MONEY!
8) There is no overtime in Boxing, unlike basketball; it makes a lot of MONEY!
9) There is no reality txt VOTING and the judges make final judgment and noone can question them, except Mapia who has all the MONEY.
10) Because Floyd needed to win for his world record and his MONEY, Pacquiao simply need to give a good show and rally Pinoy and the World unite behind his sportsmanship;
11) Pacquiao has GOD; Floyd has MONEY;
12) Because Pacquiao is People's Champ even if he loses, he still makes MONEY; Floyd heard the boooo- and retreats to his delusion that he is great! Indeed he is great, but to the fans all over the world, the Pacman is GREATER!!! That is something MONEY cant buy and BELT cant match.


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Mr Natural wrote:Majority of people don't understand how boxing is scored. Mayweather's style, much like Muhammad Ali's, lends itself to winning by points. The biggest difference between amateur and pro boxers is that the pro has to learn much better defensive skills, and Mayweather's defense is some of the best in the history of the sport. He doesn't do that much himself offensively although he does have tremendous hand speed, it's just that he is so incredibly difficult to hit. The running, bobbing & weaving, shoulder rolls etc are techniques that work well for winning points the way boxing is scored. Personally I don't agree with it and also I think they should fight until somebody wins. But even then those defensive skills would be very valuable. I don't like Mayweather either but hard to blame the guy for playing the game as it's dictated by others. He is just too fast for anyone to beat him under the current scoring rules.
I had Mayweather winning 8 rounds to 4, which is pretty much how the announcers and two of the 3 judges saw it.
Well that's a testament to lameness. I see a lot more visceral and exciting violence when I watch a good Muay Thai match than I did from that contest (it didn't even seem like a truly serious fight).

Didn't boxing used to be legitimately aggressive and violence packed sport? There are so many amazing knockouts by the likes of Tyson when you search his best moments. Ali was a charismatic guy who could move around the ring like a bumblebee but then deliver killer blows. This match was, in the words of Tyson himself, underwhelming. And that's putting it mild.
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Mayweather is 2.5 inches taller and has a 4 inch reach advantage over Pacman. The fighter with the longest arms usually wins.
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Taco wrote:Mayweather is 2.5 inches taller and has a 4 inch reach advantage over Pacman. The fighter with the longest arms usually wins.
So how do you explain Tyson's many wins over guys who towered over him and outreached him by many inches???
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Rock wrote:
Taco wrote:Mayweather is 2.5 inches taller and has a 4 inch reach advantage over Pacman. The fighter with the longest arms usually wins.
So how do you explain Tyson's many wins over guys who towered over him and outreached him by many inches???
Tyson had megaton punching power and the best trainer in the world. After he fired Teddy Atlas as his trainer his career and personal life quickly made a turn for the worse.

Here's Tyson in his prime.

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Winston wrote:How are boxing matches scored? Do you get points for landing punches or something? How does the scoring system work? Is it objective or subjective? Can't they just play the video of the match to neutral impartial judges and verify if it was correctly scored?
There is no money in being honest. That is why brainless sports like Boxing, MMA is popular in America as the rules could be twisted to make more money.

American corporations do not like CHESS as there will be a clear winner without they getting a hand on deciding on the outcome.

Its all subjective. At this time - it doesn't matter...Vegas mafia controls everything -

I'm just happy that Manny won - Who cares about corrupt official score - He never lost a single fight since coming out of Philippines - his loss to JMM was juiced up on steriods, Bradly - Corrupt judges...Now they even twisted the compu score saying Floyd hit more punches than Manny :lol:
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Mr Natural wrote:Majority of people don't understand how boxing is scored.
You can say that about many competitions, not only about sports - for example musicians playing etc.
Scores are difficult to count and to justify - same with other sports like gymnastics, or even dancing tango, any beauty contest etc.

Who is the best is very difficult to decide if all of them are professionals.

Sometimes electronic helps, like for ski-racing. I remember a situation from my native country where the difference between no. 1 and no. 2 was only 4 cm, a fragment of seconds but could be clearly seen on the camera together with using sensitive measuring instruments.

About boxing, the only clear winner by my opinion is the guy who will finish the other with a correct K.O. punch.
If one is unable to continue the fight, you need not to ask who is the winner.
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Mayweather won the fight . I re-watch the fight and I gave Pacman 4 rounds to 8 rounds for Mayweather. Boxing can be subjective but you look at ring generalship, damage taken, effective aggression etc..

Mayweather won by controlling the fight ..Pac had to be more aggressive which he was for round 4 but after that Pac didn't do much. The thing about Mayweather is that he fights boring and he clinchs allot so that's why people are complainging about mayweather. I don't think they would have a re-match ..it be tough to make one plus Pac man has shoulder issues which might of contributed to him under performing for this fight.
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I'm a Pac supporter but the fight went down just how I thought it would. Mayweather won a predictable boring decision and he outstruck Pacquiao almost 2 to 1. Pac is clearly past his prime and just doesn't have the speed or power anymore to connect with Mayweather. Pacquiao, who clobbered De La Hoya only managed to land an average of 6 punches a round against Mayweather, he was simply clearly outclassed by a superior fighter. I understand it wasn't very exciting for the casual fan or non-fan but I appreciate Mayweather's blistering quick defense, he is a true master and I don't even like Mayweather. If you want to learn boxing defense you could do a lot worse than emulating Mayweather.
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Seeker wrote:I'm a Pac supporter but the fight went down just how I thought it would .... I appreciate Mayweather's blistering quick defense, he is a true master and I don't even like Mayweather.
Yes exactly as I thought too. Mayweather's defense and speed are just too good for almost anyone to overcome. As I said before, I don't think "fights" should be scored that way, it rewards running and dodging and playing games. But it is and that's how the powers that be evidently have wanted it for a long time. As much of a jerk he and his father are, hard to blame him for simply taking advantage of rules and scoring system others created.
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Even the official fight stats released just after the fight was rigged as is now shown in the video. Even HBO who was suppose to side with Manny LIED. It seems the entire system wanted manny to loose. The HBO commentators from the first bell were extremely negative on Manny.

It looks like even the CIA and entire US Military Might was involved to see Manny defeated to keep the fakeness of great American dream alive.....:lol: :lol:

Even before the fight it was like, Manny had to knock out Floyd just to get a draw :D
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starchild5 wrote:
Even the official fight stats released just after the fight was rigged as is now shown in the video. Even HBO who was suppose to side with Manny LIED. It seems the entire system wanted manny to loose. The HBO commentators from the first bell were extremely negative on Manny.

It looks like even the CIA and entire US Military Might was involved to see Manny defeated to keep the fakeness of great American dream alive.....:lol: :lol:

Even before the fight it was like, Manny had to knock out Floyd just to get a draw :D
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Winston wrote:How are boxing matches scored? Do you get points for landing punches or something? How does the scoring system work? Is it objective or subjective? Can't they just play the video of the match to neutral impartial judges and verify if it was correctly scored?
Scoring in boxing is one of the most disputable topics in the sport. It is based off of a ten point system. The winner of the round gets 10 points, loser gets 9. A point is deducted for knockdowns and illegal blows. Most rounds are 10-9 rounds, with some being 10-8 or even 9-8 or 9-9. They judge who wins based off of numerous things including punch accuracy, power punches landed, knockdowns, and who's the aggressor.

Here's the issue with the scoring system. Say one fighter wins 8 incredibly close rounds. Rounds that could of gone either way but loses 4 rounds in which he gets knocked down twice and dominated in the rest. Who wins? The fighter with the most points does, even if he got the shit kicked out of him the final few rounds. Its like scoring 10 runs in one inning in a baseball game but giving the other team 9 for not winning that inning, even though they didn't score anything. The system is flawed.

Mayweather is very rarely the aggressor and has limited power. He is incredibly accurate when he throws however, and is very defensive. Any sign of trouble and he ducks and hugs his way out. Mayweather legitimately won the boxing MATCH because of points but I give the fight to Pacquiao because of aggressiveness and better power punches landed. Mayweather out boxed Pacman, but didn't out fight him. Neither fighter was damaged at all at the end of the fight and I felt like they could have went another 12 rounds.
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Moretorque wrote:
starchild5 wrote:
Even the official fight stats released just after the fight was rigged as is now shown in the video. Even HBO who was suppose to side with Manny LIED. It seems the entire system wanted manny to loose. The HBO commentators from the first bell were extremely negative on Manny.

It looks like even the CIA and entire US Military Might was involved to see Manny defeated to keep the fakeness of great American dream alive.....:lol: :lol:

Even before the fight it was like, Manny had to knock out Floyd just to get a draw :D
Welcome to communism Star Child, my only ? is how did the extraterrestrials bet on this.
Boxing is very ancient and its the sport White People played when they had culture aka Star Wars before it was destroyed by the dark force..

The reason, boxing makes so much money is not due to Blacks or Latinos or Filipinos... :lol: Its the White People Past memories related to Boxing that pays the bill.

So no, Blue ETs and other don't bet on Boxing, only Nordic Aliens do :)

Boxing goes way deeper than any other sport for white culture. :roll:
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