Here's A Business Opportunity: Do It or Make Excuses

[DarrylJenks]

I was simply addressing what interested me Of course these people are not going to do anything but complain and make excuses. That's what makes losers tick. Which is why I enjoy listing all my achievements in their face In fact, got a new swiss chick today.

Yep, there's Paggy. How fitting he decided to come back in such a thread as this.

He gave you a suggestion about putting an ad in Craigslist offering to do odd jobs. You said you like his idea better.

OK. Are you putting an ad in Craigslist? You have a month to work and you can start tomorrow. I know that an overseas English teacher doesn't necessarily have a lot of skills or credentials but surely you have the talent necessary to whip up an Odd Jobs Wanted ad in 30 minutes or so.

Or can you still "not get a job"? What is your excuse now?

He claims to live in a small town in the middle of nowhere, in a state that doesn't do well in even good economic times. Another lame excuse. My russia associate used couchsurfing.org and hostels to set up in NYC and stack 3-4k a month from odd jobs.

[Luc Furr]

nice "business" opportunity you have there, Devil Dog. You have what equates to a mobile shoe shine business....the headlights being the shoes. Bottom line is that in this world the "business" no longer matters it is the selling that matters. Like Robert Kiyosaki said my book does not say best writing author, it says best selling author"

[Devil Dog]

nice "business" opportunity you have there, Devil Dog. You have what equates to a mobile shoe shine business....the headlights being the shoes. Bottom line is that in this world the "business" no longer matters it is the selling that matters. Like Robert Kiyosaki said my book does not say best writing author, it says best selling author"

lol at the simple minded post. Typical drivel from you. You sad sack losers do stick together, don't you?

That is not what I do for a living. And if you had a little bit of reading comprehension ability you would know that I never claimed that I do it. I know someone who does.

What do you do for a living Lose Furr? And is Kiyosaki your business guru? I know a lot of businessmen and entrepreneurs, and I will assure you that Kiyosaki is seen as a joke in sophisticated circles. He made a lot of money selling snake oil to the unsophisticated.

Here is a cut and paste from the site of a random author, John T Reed:

Summary
Rich Dad, Poor Dad is one of the dumbest financial advice books I have ever read. It contains many factual errors and numerous extremely unlikely accounts of events that supposedly occurred.

Kiyosaki is a salesman and a motivational speaker. He has no financial expertise and won’t disclose his supposed real estate or other investment success.

Rich Dad, Poor Dad contains much wrong advice, much bad advice, some dangerous advice, and virtually no good advice.

Wikipedia says, “On August 20, 2012, Kiyosaki's company, Rich Global LLC, filed for bankruptcy in Wyoming Bankruptcy Court.”

[DarrylJenks]

What exactly is wrong with Robert Kiyosaki advice again? From wikipedia:

"He advocates financial independence and building wealth through investing, real estate investing, starting and owning businesses, as well as increasing one's financial intelligence to improve one's business and financial aptitude".

I don't see a problem with that. If someone had a decent income (5k a month) back in 2006 they could easily access over $500,000 in business credit for investing. Banks were practically giving away loans with limited paperwork back then. The trick was to have the proper set up. I bought 5 pre-existing PAPER corporations (corporate loans don't show up on your personal credit score) with 100k in primary tradelines that reported to EXPERIAN Business and EQUIFAX. This allowed me to access over 2 million in funding per round with just a personal guarantee. I was about to buy a hotel and a few other properties then the ‎financial crisis of 2007–08 hit

[Cornfed]

This headlamp business might work in cities that still have a lot of middle class suburbs and retain a culture of door to door services. Personally I would have thought people either were too poor to worry about whether their headlights were so great or would just get new cars every so often anyway, but maybe this is not the case in some places. I will send the idea to acquaintances who might give it a try in their area. There are of course other personal services that work well for some people in the some places, such as therapeutic massage, teaching rich tossers how to use their electronic gismos, doing phone sex from home etc.

It should be apparent that the fact that we are even seriously discussing this sort of stuff as a career is itself irrevocable proof of just how f***ed the economy really is. Men who have the ability to be captains of industry or world changing scientists or whatever are being advised to do tasks that people used to do themselves or pay the neighbors kids spare change to do, or that are just plain silly. The fact that it is in rare cases a good choice for them arguably makes the whole thing all the more pitiful. It is pathetic that people cannot see how pathetic this is. It is as if people looked back to women taking in their neighbors' laundry for payment during the last Great Depression, viewed it as a brilliant service-based entrepreneurial revolution and concluded that the only reason there was a Great Depression is that people then were just lazy, since they could have all got rich by doing each others' laundry.

[Ghost]

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[Cornfed]

Ironically, Kiyosaki probably would have recommended doing things like shining headlights because it's a business idea.

It is really self-employment rather than a business. He would have recommended hiring others to polish headlights and then setting up a headlight-polishing franchise or some such. BTW, yes, of course he is a fraud.

[Devil Dog]

Ironically, Kiyosaki probably would have recommended doing things like shining headlights because it's a business idea.

It is really self-employment rather than a business. He would have recommended hiring others to polish headlights and then setting up a headlight-polishing franchise or some such. BTW, yes, of course he is a fraud.

Semantics, but correct in a sense.

The way a startup or small business often works is that the founder learns the business for himself and the scales it by hiring others to work in it. (Nail it, then scale it.) You don't start out with employees because you haven't proven the concept and worked out the kinks. You first turn it into a smooth-running machine and THEN you make the machine bigger.

[Devil Dog]

This headlamp business might work in cities that still have a lot of middle class suburbs and retain a culture of door to door services. Personally I would have thought people either were too poor to worry about whether their headlights were so great or would just get new cars every so often anyway, but maybe this is not the case in some places. I will send the idea to acquaintances who might give it a try in their area.

You are falling into one of the fallacies of HA: That EVERYONE is at the extremes. In this case that EVERYONE falls into one of two categories: Rich people who buy a new car every year or poor people who don't even have a car.

The reality is that at least 75% of the US falls in between those extremes. And even a relatively rich family may have a 12 year old Civic that the kids drive. The reality is that the Toyotas and Hondas sold 10 to 15 years ago are still on the road (with foggy headlamps).

[Devil Dog]

What exactly is wrong with Robert Kiyosaki advice again? From wikipedia:

"He advocates financial independence and building wealth through investing, real estate investing, starting and owning businesses, as well as increasing one's financial intelligence to improve one's business and financial aptitude".

I don't see a problem with that.(

The problem with what you quoted is that it is so broad and vague that it is meaningless.

Here is a quote for you:

"Eat healthy foods in low to moderate quantities and maintain a high level of physical activity." -Devil Dog

Does that make me a health and fitness guru?


Back to Kiyosaki, he spouts general information which his unsophisticated audience perceives as being profound. He conveys it in an exciting manner which appeals to many people. But a more knowledgeable audience can see right through his bullshit.

It is analagous to this situation: Maybe you watch the news every day. You see the talking heads give snippets of information on a wide variety of things they deem newsworthy. You may be of the mindset that it is truth or maybe you think it is all lies. Most people buy it.

THEN, one day there is a news story on a matter that you have a huge depth of knowledge about. And you realize that the news people have no understanding whatsoever of the subject. THIS is misleading, THAT is an obvious misunderstanding, THE OTHER is just plain damn wrong.

And you realize that the news people probably got most of the other stuff wrong too. It's just that you don't have enough expertise to know for sure that they don't know jack shit about it.


And Kiyosaki is that way. People who really know the subjects which he preaches about know that he doesn't know what he is talking about. The other 99% of the people are taken in by his dynamic message and lap up his materials. The guy made a lot of money. If that is the only thing that matters then he is successful.

[DarrylJenks]

Nothing you said paints him as a misleading. In fact, what you said just sounds like HA jealousy. Are you some financial adviser or something? Are you upset he is selling common financial knowledge for $14.95 as oppose to $35/hour per person? I would be calling him a fraud too if that were the case

[Devil Dog]

Nothing you said paints him as a misleading. In fact, what you said just sounds like HA jealousy. Are you some financial adviser or something? Are you upset he is selling common financial knowledge for $14.95 as oppose to $35/hour per person? I would be calling him a fraud too if that were the case

As I mentioned before, I really don't give a damn what the guy does. But his advice is laughable. You sound like a fanboy. Tell us exactly what piece of Kiyosaki's advice you have implemented to make your financial life better.

And you should learn about the difference between "your" and "you're". They sound the same but have different meanings.

[DarrylJenks]

He's selling common financial knowledge bozo. So how is his advice laughable again? Once again

"He advocates financial independence and building wealth through investing, real estate investing, starting and owning businesses, as well as increasing one's financial intelligence to improve one's business and financial aptitude".

No shit, that's how you build f***ing wealth. So how is that misleading again? Or are you going to point out missing some common or other dumb shit? lol

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-bu ... al-2014-12

Some investors may remember Obama’s previous equity valuation comment from March 3, 2009 when the S&P 500 traded at 696: ”On the other hand, what you're now seeing is profit and earnings ratios are starting to get to the point where buying stocks is a potentially good deal if you've got a long-term perspective on it.” Since his observation, the S&P 500 has soared by 185% and this week reached a new all-time high of 1988.

[onethousandknives]

This headlamp business might work in cities that still have a lot of middle class suburbs and retain a culture of door to door services. Personally I would have thought people either were too poor to worry about whether their headlights were so great or would just get new cars every so often anyway, but maybe this is not the case in some places. I will send the idea to acquaintances who might give it a try in their area. There are of course other personal services that work well for some people in the some places, such as therapeutic massage, teaching rich tossers how to use their electronic gismos, doing phone sex from home etc.

It should be apparent that the fact that we are even seriously discussing this sort of stuff as a career is itself irrevocable proof of just how f***ed the economy really is. Men who have the ability to be captains of industry or world changing scientists or whatever are being advised to do tasks that people used to do themselves or pay the neighbors kids spare change to do, or that are just plain silly. The fact that it is in rare cases a good choice for them arguably makes the whole thing all the more pitiful. It is pathetic that people cannot see how pathetic this is. It is as if people looked back to women taking in their neighbors' laundry for payment during the last Great Depression, viewed it as a brilliant service-based entrepreneurial revolution and concluded that the only reason there was a Great Depression is that people then were just lazy, since they could have all got rich by doing each others' laundry.

I do agree, actually, about the state of affairs. However, you charge $50, you make the same as you would working a whole day min wage. Also for advertising, as much as in person is generally better, I think you'd actually have better luck if you made business cards or flyers and put them under people's wiper blades. This is still very common in some areas to advertise for everything. Vistaprint you can get a big amount of cards for not much money, Putting them under the wiper blades is actually relevant as you're doing a service on their car and all. And potentially, you'd get in less trouble for being "pushy" of a salesman or solicitor with the cards, though you will be wasting lots of cards compared to just cold approaching people walking out of the grocery store or whatever (most towns here technically even need permits to solicit door to door.) But then with the cards, you write on the card "I noticed your headlights were cloudy looking, I can help! For $50 I will restore both your headlights to brand new looking condition, and warranty it for one whole year. Please call now and we can arrange an appointment to fix your headlights." Or something like that. For me, I don't have really any issues doing this as I have a legal LLC in my state and could just piggyback the business onto my LLC, but yeah. So once weather stops being like 20 degrees out, I'll get on adding this.

Humans must adapt. If shining shoes makes more money than working at the grocery store, then f**k it, shine some shoes! But to deny that this country is going to be a legit third world country by the time any of our kids grow up I do believe is being delusional. Even in the 1970s, min wage was like $12 an hour. Nobody needed any fiscal discipline back then. Gas was cheap. People could spend spend spend. But, if you don't adapt, you die. That's the only choice in life. Adapt or die. So whether or not you think he's a dick or not, he's suggested a good adaptation strategy for the current environment.