I have come to a difficult decision......

[Winston]

OP,
I don't understand the basis of your complaint. In a free speech forum, you are going to get the good, the bad, and the ugly, because human nature contains the good, the bad, and the ugly. This is true in world history, in the Bible, and even in literature.

It's the same with the topic threads that you see here everyday on the View Active Topics page:
search.php?search_id=active_topics

There you will see great topics, deep intellectual topics, useful topics, general neutral topics, stupid topics, interesting topics, crazy topics, weird topics, shocking topics, and maybe some trollish ones too. Such is the myriad of human nature.

Thus it is not reasonable to expect every topic on that page to be substantive and high quality and useful. You can't expect that. In a free speech forum, you will get all kinds of topics.

You are supposed to decide which topics interest you and separate the wheat from the chaff. Everyone here does that. I do that too. What else do you expect? Such is to be expected and understood by common sense and reason.

What is wrong with that? Can you elaborate?

[onethousandknives]

OP,
I don't understand the basis of your complaint. In a free speech forum, you are going to get the good, the bad, and the ugly, because human nature contains the good, the bad, and the ugly. This is true in world history, in the Bible, and even in literature.

It's the same with the topic threads that you see here everyday on the View Active Topics page:
search.php?search_id=active_topics

There you will see great topics, deep intellectual topics, useful topics, general neutral topics, stupid topics, interesting topics, crazy topics, weird topics, shocking topics, and maybe some trollish ones too. Such is the myriad of human nature.

Thus it is not reasonable to expect every topic on that page to be substantive and high quality and useful. You can't expect that. In a free speech forum, you will get all kinds of topics.

You are supposed to decide which topics interest you and separate the wheat from the chaff. Everyone here does that. I do that too. What else do you expect? Such is to be expected and understood by common sense and reason.

What is wrong with that? Can you elaborate?

He decided the chaff to wheat ratio wasn't good and left, like you advocate doing to America. The OP's complaint is pretty dead on with this board.

[Tsar]

China is going downhill, it's on a downward slope. But it's not China that Bao is aiming at. I am sure his life will be traditional and free of feminism and modernity.

Why is China on a downward slope? I thought they were a rising superpower?

[Anatol]

China is going downhill, it's on a downward slope. But it's not China that Bao is aiming at. I am sure his life will be traditional and free of feminism and modernity.

Why is China on a downward slope? I thought they were a rising superpower?

Hello,

[~} I don't know why you have a woman as your icon. I don't understand why you would choose a female as an icon ~ it's one matter to see a photo of a female but another entirely to have one represent you. I always want to look at the world through a male's eyes so I don't understand this behaviour of wanting to see the world through a female lens. But I will now deal with your question ~

[~} Superpower means nothing if the 'quality of life' suffers. One part of the answer is ~ China is economically stronger because it has its females working but the LOSS of femininity, the loss of power over wives, the loss of dictating to women what they should wear, the loss of having no p**-marital re*ations, the loss of two separate male-female societies, the loss of mystery between man and woman, the loss of normal women who are submissive and effeminate and their minds aren't filled with virile thoughts ~ all these are components that must be weighed and compared to the gain with bringing women into the workforce and treating them as equals. When thinking and weighing the pluses and negatives of women's rights, a normal man and normal country should be highly opposed to the economic gain from having women's rights. The losses are much greater for men.

It is similar to living how Americans do everyday {(and now the entire world does)} ~ rushing from one place to another and eating burgers in cars and calling this breakfast. The 'quality of life' in this sort of living is horrendous.


Here is another topic explaining the 'quality of life' by me ~ viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24925

[Tsar]

[~} I don't know why you have a woman as your icon. I don't understand why you would choose a female as an icon ~ it's one matter to see a photo of a female but another entirely to have one represent you. I always want to look at the world through a male's eyes so I don't understand this behaviour of wanting to see the world through a female lens. But I will now deal with your question ~

I like art, especially fantasy type art, which is why I selected it. It's difficult finding an aesthetic icon with a male character that I love. I was also told that I should switch to something other than art that was in anime type style, which is why I went on Deviant Art and other websites to look for nice avatars.

[The]

Dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out!

[Ghost]

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[Anatol]

China is going downhill, it's on a downward slope. But it's not China that Bao is aiming at. I am sure his life will be traditional and free of feminism and modernity.

Why is China on a downward slope? I thought they were a rising superpower?

The world economy has stalled, including China, but that's everywhere. China is a difficult place to unlock, and it never fully unlocks for any foreigner. That said, it's got a lot going for it if you're a good guy with an interest in the country and a desire to be there. Though, I could say that about many countries. But it has resisted feminism quite well, in large part because it has resisted democracy. So just saying it's on a downward slope doesn't define things too well.

Hello,

Why do you keep lying??? You're tricking men into coming there and I will expose you. China has accepted feminism fully ~ it MAY NOT become matriarchal {(female-dominated)} but it's definitely 100% feminist!

[Ghost]

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[Jester]

He decided the chaff to wheat ratio wasn't good and left, like you advocate doing to America. The OP's complaint is pretty dead on with this board.

[Anatol]

China is going downhill, it's on a downward slope. But it's not China that Bao is aiming at. I am sure his life will be traditional and free of feminism and modernity.

Why is China on a downward slope? I thought they were a rising superpower?

The world economy has stalled, including China, but that's everywhere. China is a difficult place to unlock, and it never fully unlocks for any foreigner. That said, it's got a lot going for it if you're a good guy with an interest in the country and a desire to be there. Though, I could say that about many countries. But it has resisted feminism quite well, in large part because it has resisted democracy. So just saying it's on a downward slope doesn't define things too well.

Hello,

Why do you keep lying??? You're tricking men into coming there and I will expose you. China has accepted feminism fully ~ it MAY NOT become matriarchal {(female-dominated)} but it's definitely 100% feminist!

I'll gladly debate you anytime. But first you need to define what "totally feminist" means. From your posts, you apparently think that a country even having, for example, one female basketball team (even if it is segregated from mens' sports) would make it "totally feminist." That line of logic is absurd and is why I and others call you a troll. That is like saying a house having a few ants in the kitchen means it has an infestation problem.

Now, back to the challenge for you, Anatol: I'll gladly debate you on this matter of whether or not China is feminist. We can do it point by point, which would be easiest. First, define what a country being totally feminist means. All that I require is that you be rational. (In other words, don't be absurd. Should be easy if you have half a brain.)

Here are some topics you might wish to start with. Feel free to look up the answers, and we'll see just how feminist China is. By finding sources for the answers, we'll discover evidence for what degree China is feminist.

-What does Chinese culture say should be the woman's role? What does the culture dictate should be the man's role?
-How much do Chinese women generally get paid in relation to men? (Higher or lower wages/salaries?) Why?
-How well are females in China divided into 'wife class' and '<> class'?
-What misandrist laws does China have? (Does it have alimony laws, child support laws, no-fault divorce laws used to screw over the man as in the West, etc.?)
-In the event of a divorce in China, how do matters of custody typically turn out? (Does the man or woman usually get the kids?)
-In the event of a divorce, who gets the house, and what is the reasoning behind this?

These are just a few simple topics we can begin with. And please give me some questions of your own. We'll easily be able to figure out how feminist China is. I welcome debate. All I request is that you be rational and civil. (Not using flamboyant rainbow colors in your posts is a bonus and makes you appear more level-headed, but this optional.)

Hello,

We have already discussed these issues.

Feminism is women's education, women's sports and women's jobs.

[~} In China, the gender roles are gone. In traditional Chinese culture till even 20 years ago, most women were not educated and if they did work, only worked minimum-wage jobs. They certainly didn't go to college and university to study physics. If one looks at China in 1965, he will see no females riding bicycles there. This was because the females were not allowed to do manly things like riding a bicycle. And this is correct and how it must be!

[~} A wage-disparity {(if it exists. I don't think it does)} doesn't mean there is no feminism. Feminism means women's education, women's sports, women's jobs. A wage-disparity is something feminism has a grievance against but certainly not feminism's entirety or even its root-beliefs.

[~} I have no idea and see no relation to the core-ideas of feminism on your 3rd point. Your statement may be true but again is not the krux of feminism and simply another issue that feminists have.

[~} I hope it doesn't have these type of laws. Because in the U.S.A., there is a matriarchal society {(female dominated in all spheres)}. Remember the spectral depiction ~ PATRIARCHY ----------------------------- FEMINIST------------------------------- MATRIACHY

[~} I have no idea but if the father usually gets the children, it's a win for the patriarchy. If both have an equal chance then it's a win for feminism. If the female gets the children usually, it's a win for matriarchy {(and for feminism, since matriarchy is extreme feminism)}.

[~} Same as previous point above.

[Ghost]

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[Anatol]

Feminism is women's education, women's sports and women's jobs.

And yet you never mention things like misandrist laws. Just another detail suggesting you're a troll.

In China, the gender roles are gone. In traditional Chinese culture till even 20 years ago, most women were not educated and if they did work, only worked minimum-wage jobs. They certainly didn't go to college and university to study physics. If one looks at China in 1965, he will see no females riding bicycles there. This was because the females were not allowed to do manly things like riding a bicycle. And this is correct and how it must be!

The gender roles are gone? Nope, I've been there, lived there, and seen it: there are definitely traditional gender roles in Chinese society. (We're talking about the mainstream society, not the exceptions.) Mainstream Chinese society still holds to Confucian values in many ways, and certainly in terms of its Patriarchal prescriptions for society.

A wage-disparity {(if it exists. I don't think it does)} doesn't mean there is no feminism. Feminism means women's education, women's sports, women's jobs. A wage-disparity is something feminism has a grievance against but certainly not feminism's entirety or even its root-beliefs.

A wage disparity does exist (the man gets paid more than the woman) but this typically manifests in higher level jobs. I think a server in a restaurant or a shop assistant will be paid the same regardless of the sex of the worker. Above low-level work though, the male earns more than the female salary. So a male doctor will make more than a female doctor in China. Though I will add that there shouldn't be female doctors in the first place; it is far from ideal on this point, but not a mimic of Western social policy, which says females should make more than the males. Improving things for females employed in lesser work, is that females typically have to give their money to the household, not keep it for themselves. This is true for much of Asia.

[~} I have no idea and see no relation to the core-ideas of feminism on your 3rd point. Your statement may be true but again is not the krux of feminism and simply another issue that feminists have.

It's important because in a sane, patriarchal society, women are divided up into wife class and whore class. There is no toleration of slutting up females in sane societies. (If it does occur, it is a crime committed in secret, and if found out, typically severely punished, often by death.) Normal women (wife class) are required to be virgins at marriage and faithful thereafter. Prostitution exists and is tolerated, giving men a sexual outlet (thereby keeping them from corrupting normal girls, competing for women, and raising productivity - no Elliot Rodgers in those societies.) Legal p4p allows men to be free from women controlling them sexually - which is a major component of feminism! Hence, by your refusla to accept p4p as a legitimate need for a sane society, you are advocating for a feminist "value."

I hope it doesn't have these type of laws. Because in the U.S.A., there is a matriarchal society {(female dominated in all spheres)}. Remember the spectral depiction ~ PATRIARCHY ----------------------------- FEMINIST------------------------------- MATRIACHY

I already know the answer. I was asking you to expose your ignorance, which you certainly did not shy away from showing. So look it up and report back here. Does China have misandrist laws? Answer the question.

I have no idea but if the father usually gets the children, it's a win for the patriarchy. If both have an equal chance then it's a win for feminism. If the female gets the children usually, it's a win for matriarchy {(and for feminism, since matriarchy is extreme feminism)}.

Again, you admit that you don't know. You "know" that China is feminist, but you don't actually know anything about it. What an idiot you are...your ignorance is severe. Well, here, I'll clue you in on this one: the father typically is awarded custody.

Anatroll, it wouldn't take you but about half an hour to learn about many of the things you talk about, and yet all you do is spout your baseless, ignorant nonsense.

Hello American filth,

Once again, you have shown nothing to counter my statement that women's education, women's sports and women's jobs don't exist in China. Feminism in it PUREST meaning means letting women study, work and play sports.

If the world is smart it will give every American man 24 hours to leave its nation or be beheaded. If I was China I would kick your dishonest, double-faced, lying fat American body out of the country and make sure you never come back. But Chinese men are too stupid to realise the grave threat America and its evil feminism is.

[Ghost]

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[Anatol]

You're <. worthless <> and one of the most egregious feminist infiltrators on this forum. Not that everyone can't see it clear as day, mind you. You ignored my points and you still haven't looked into the questions I asked you. I guess the point of your trolling was to be the anti-HA type. You're probably some feminist living in her mom's basement and trying to use deception to discredit the idea of Happier Abroad.

Hello American filth,

Come to Kansas, U.S.A. See if you talk this tough-man talk. Men like you should be eviscerated by the Chinese and Indian governments ~ YOU are the problem and you who is the feminist. Whenever someone points the truth about feminism spreading world-wide you simply call him a madman. Hence it is obvious who is the traitor to the male-gender. You unscrupulous American men have always been too greedy and back-stabbers ~ and now you're so greedy the last 30 years that you'll even betray your own gender. That is why I repeatedly tell the Chinese and Indian governments to get rid of spies and infiltrators like you. But the idiotic Chinese and Indian men.........

NEVER LEARN.