Why do UNAmericanized women have such different faces?

[Devil Dog]

Can't you see that fake, proud, vain American smile? Winston can easily detect that, but for some reason it's invisible to folks like AmericanInBangkok and others.

Winston projects what he expects to see and ignores everything which does not conform to his worldview. When he hangs out with strippers/bar girls who get paid to spend time with him he falls in love with them because they are so "genuine".

Read AIB's story and Winston's story. Then get back to me and let me know who can "read" faces and people. Who is living in Asia, making a living in Asia, married to an Asian, and living with his family? Who is living in Vegas, having abandoned his girlfriend and son? Do you really think that Winston is the guy to look to as an example?

[Falcon]

Yeah, I can't see it either.

To me, the American girls look happy. But even if it is a "fake smile", they're posing for a picture. So they're not going to be smiling as if someone just told them a joke. In other words, it might look more fake because of the situation.

The foreign girls look pissed off, in my opinion.

I'm a bit surprised to see you guys defending these American women on HA. And it's not just Winston who sees it, but many others too who've had plenty of experience. When I showed Rock some pictures of Asian-American women, even he could instantly tell that they have that "fake American smile", and so could Monkro. AiB is a former boxer who's used to being tough and hanging out around tough, macho people, so that's why he isn't as sensitive to those subtler facial expressions.

Happy? Yes, American women in customer service are notorious for looking so-called "happy" with their "Hi, how can I help you?" and cheesy grins when they're expected to do so. A courtesy smile doesn't mean that much. On Facebook, whenever these Asian-American women post pictures in which they're not putting on their fake smiles that much, they get bashed with comments such as, "Why so serious?" or "Aw, you didn't smile!"

In many rural third-world areas, people don't smile unless they are genuinely happy on the inside. They often actually consciously avoid smiling in photos to not look like grinning fools. "Pissed off?" That's the authentic look. At the end of the day, they'll be much friendlier, warmer, more open than the American women with superficial smiles who'd just say they're busy and have to go.

I've been around these Asian-American women for more than two decades, and have traveled many months among the rural hills tribes of southern China. The latter can often be more serious at first sight, but they're far more soulful and not hollow and empty at all like Americanized people.

[Repatriate]

I honestly don't think the issue is these girl's smiles as much as it is how badly America mind f***ed you from ever looking at attractive women again and raped your manhood.

[Falcon]

I honestly don't think the issue is these girl's smiles as much as it is how badly America mind f***ed you from ever looking at attractive women again and raped your manhood.

Hahaha.

But your last reply about how you'd date in Thailand was gold. Those are really helpful posts with plenty of great practical tips that would be of huge help to many folks. I know that making fun of others can be fun at least for yourself (as with your jabs at Winnie), but, it's posts like these that actually make the forum much more worthwhile.

You seem to be an extrovert. At least you exhibit extrovert tendencies from what I can tell from your posts and you genuinely enjoy chatting and getting to know people.

I'm getting the impression you aren't a very sexual guy around women or maybe you're too innocent boyish. From what you've said about your experiences on this forum your type of flirting probably comes across as innocent harmless playing to a lot of women.

Great guesses. But you know, it all really depends. I can be seen as "extroverted" or "introverted" depending on the situation I'm in, and the more I travel and experience life, the more I realize how I can't slot myself into certain categories. I always try to adapt depending on the situation.

As for being innocent boyish, I'm only that way with women who appear to not like flirting, as with many more reserved Taiwanese women or standoffish American women. Naturally I don't wanna be that way all the time. But I've get sexually flirty and playful with Mexicans, Filipinas, Indonesians, and others.

I'm also wondering how you had dated Asian-American women in California? How were they different from your dates in Thailand?

[Repatriate]

As for being innocent boyish, I'm only that way with women who appear to not like flirting, as with many more reserved Taiwanese women or standoffish American women. Naturally I don't wanna be that way all the time. But I've get sexually flirty and playful with Mexicans, Filipinas, Indonesians, and others.

Read what I wrote about before when talking with girls who are decent to good looking. You have to proceed a little differently because they tend to have lots of guys (awkwardly) hitting on them all the time. That's why some of them can seem cold initially.

All this social stuff is not as apparent because you're going for really low hanging fruit. It's almost no challenge at all because you can speak whatever nonsense gibberish you want to some of these not attractive and impoverished girls because you are simply higher class to them and a "mismatch" that works in their favor.

Why not try talking with fairly attractive girls that are Mexican, Filipino, Indonesian, etc.. ? You're still not dealing with American girls so I don't see why you're so reluctant to do it. You're bound to get rejected sometimes but the payoff is way more interesting. You're probably going to get rejected the vast majority of the time with a certain quality of woman just keep that in mind. Most guys do and don't let it effect you.

I'm also wondering how you had dated Asian-American women in California? How were they different from your dates in Thailand?

Women are women everywhere to a certain extent. In CA it was very much social circle orientated and just coming into contact with women when I was going to college etc.. I didn't find it to be super difficult. Just talked with these women in class or in study groups, asked them out to do individual stuff like have lunch or something interesting. College was the best because there was always a really good excuse to take a girl back to my place because I lived in a shared house and had the master bedroom.

The biggest thing is sexuality. Know when to use it and not in a cornball way either. Dancing around with a girl and playfully teasing and making light sexual jokes is still very boyish. It's what middle school kids do with girls they like. Upgrade your sexual intent more to the adult level.

I feel the main difference in Thailand is that it was just more natural. Less pretensions about what was going to eventually happen when the girl liked me and I liked her. Feelings were more open. I could tell on the first date if we were holding hands or touching what it meant. I find thai girls to be pretty transparent, if they like you then they like you and they will show it. There's less emotional one upsmanship or various tests that you often get with American girls.

[In2dadark]

Sometimes when "americanized" women see a good looking man & it catches them off guard their natural instincts kick in. Then they catch themselves & snap back. They are engaging in a great deal of repression & it's gone on far too long (for many of'em) for them to turn back. I believe that is where a lot of the unnatural look & anger is coming from. Betraying the, so called, sisterhood is no longer an option for them, as much as it would be the healthy thing to do.

[OutWest]

As for being innocent boyish, I'm only that way with women who appear to not like flirting, as with many more reserved Taiwanese women or standoffish American women. Naturally I don't wanna be that way all the time. But I've get sexually flirty and playful with Mexicans, Filipinas, Indonesians, and others.

Read what I wrote about before when talking with girls who are decent to good looking. You have to proceed a little differently because they tend to have lots of guys (awkwardly) hitting on them all the time. That's why some of them can seem cold initially.

All this social stuff is not as apparent because you're going for really low hanging fruit. It's almost no challenge at all because you can speak whatever nonsense gibberish you want to some of these not attractive and impoverished girls because you are simply higher class to them and a "mismatch" that works in their favor.

Why not try talking with fairly attractive girls that are Mexican, Filipino, Indonesian, etc.. ? You're still not dealing with American girls so I don't see why you're so reluctant to do it. You're bound to get rejected sometimes but the payoff is way more interesting. You're probably going to get rejected the vast majority of the time with a certain quality of woman just keep that in mind. Most guys do and don't let it effect you.

I'm also wondering how you had dated Asian-American women in California? How were they different from your dates in Thailand?

Women are women everywhere to a certain extent. In CA it was very much social circle orientated and just coming into contact with women when I was going to college etc.. I didn't find it to be super difficult. Just talked with these women in class or in study groups, asked them out to do individual stuff like have lunch or something interesting. College was the best because there was always a really good excuse to take a girl back to my place because I lived in a shared house and had the master bedroom.

The biggest thing is sexuality. Know when to use it and not in a cornball way either. Dancing around with a girl and playfully teasing and making light sexual jokes is still very boyish. It's what middle school kids do with girls they like. Upgrade your sexual intent more to the adult level.

I feel the main difference in Thailand is that it was just more natural. Less pretensions about what was going to eventually happen when the girl liked me and I liked her. Feelings were more open. I could tell on the first date if we were holding hands or touching what it meant. I find thai girls to be pretty transparent, if they like you then they like you and they will show it. There's less emotional one upsmanship or various tests that you often get with American girls.

I likely should have made this a separate thread, but many times, even in America, you can get what you want IF YOU ARE UP TO IT. Most American men would rather just bitch and moan...,
little "guy" man-lets that they are. I know a former poster on this forum who is back in Portland
Oregon- age 55 who has been banging the crap out of several Portland State coeds. Go figure.
All of them are slender blondes...LOL. I met his current girl this last summer...

I think the "rules" become excuses for failure and laziness. That said, can anyone do the same?
No they cannot. That is true ANYWHERE in the world.

[Maverick]

Yeah, I can't see it either.

To me, the American girls look happy. But even if it is a "fake smile", they're posing for a picture. So they're not going to be smiling as if someone just told them a joke. In other words, it might look more fake because of the situation.

The foreign girls look pissed off, in my opinion.

I'm a bit surprised to see you guys defending these American women on HA. And it's not just Winston who sees it, but many others too who've had plenty of experience. When I showed Rock some pictures of Asian-American women, even he could instantly tell that they have that "fake American smile", and so could Monkro. AiB is a former boxer who's used to being tough and hanging out around tough, macho people, so that's why he isn't as sensitive to those subtler facial expressions.

Happy? Yes, American women in customer service are notorious for looking so-called "happy" with their "Hi, how can I help you?" and cheesy grins when they're expected to do so. A courtesy smile doesn't mean that much. On Facebook, whenever these Asian-American women post pictures in which they're not putting on their fake smiles that much, they get bashed with comments such as, "Why so serious?" or "Aw, you didn't smile!"

In many rural third-world areas, people don't smile unless they are genuinely happy on the inside. They often actually consciously avoid smiling in photos to not look like grinning fools. "Pissed off?" That's the authentic look. At the end of the day, they'll be much friendlier, warmer, more open than the American women with superficial smiles who'd just say they're busy and have to go.

I've been around these Asian-American women for more than two decades, and have traveled many months among the rural hills tribes of southern China. The latter can often be more serious at first sight, but they're far more soulful and not hollow and empty at all like Americanized people.

I'm not defending anything. I'm just applying what I believe to be simple logic in this situation. I just call it like I see it.

I currently work in a consumer-driven field (most fields are actually consumer-driven). Sometimes, I feel like sh*t and smile anyway because it puts the customers at ease and won't result in me getting a complaint. This is the standard in the US.

Again, I think American women, for the most part, are unpleasant to date, but as friends, co-workers, bosses, and employees, I have no problem with them at all.

[Devil Dog]

I likely should have made this a separate thread, but many times, even in America, you can get what you want IF YOU ARE UP TO IT. Most American men would rather just bitch and moan...,
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I think the "rules" become excuses for failure and laziness.

You should have made a separate thread.

What you wrote is the Cliff's Notes version of the attitude of the loser faction (the majority) of HA posters. HA provides a support group which is happy to reinforce any loser's rationalization for his failures.

"It's too hard to get western women, so they all are garbage."
"It's too hard to make money, so the game must be rigged against me."
"I would go to school and get a useful degree, but the economy will crash in January so it would be a waste of my time."
"Game isn't real, so I will not work on my conversational skills."
"Being more attractive to the opposite sex is only important in the emotionally shallow West, so I will not make any effort to get in shape. But I will criticize western fattie girls and I expect my Thai or Filipina to be beautiful."

[Devil Dog]

Again, I think American women, for the most part, are unpleasant to date, but as friends, co-workers, bosses, and employees, I have no problem with them at all.

I agree. But there are 158 million of them.