Have you found nightclubs to be really negative places?

[Rayn]

Aren't night clubs supposed to be places FOR entertaining oneselves and their friends? Where does this whole 'getting someone to screw with' thing gets included into that?

[marklambo]

Aren't night clubs supposed to be places FOR entertaining oneselves and their friends? Where does this whole 'getting someone to screw with' thing gets included into that?

Women mainly go to nightclubs to have fun, dance with their friends, etc.

Men mainly go to nightclubs to try to hook up.

This is why you always see ladie's nights, free admission/free drinks for women, etc.
The more women they bring to the club, the more men will come and spend money on drinks. It's a formula that has been going on for many years.

Of course not all people go to nightclubs to try to hook up but a large majority do. It has always been this way

[kai1275]

Aren't night clubs supposed to be places FOR entertaining oneselves and their friends? Where does this whole 'getting someone to screw with' thing gets included into that?

Women mainly go to nightclubs to have fun, dance with their friends, etc.

Men mainly go to nightclubs to try to hook up.

This is why you always see ladie's nights, free admission/free drinks for women, etc.
The more women they bring to the club, the more men will come and spend money on drinks. It's a formula that has been going on for many years.

Of course not all people go to nightclubs to try to hook up but a large majority do. It has always been this way

You are the only guy in HA that gets it Mark. Well DJ and a few others too, but that is it. Most of these guys in HA are either too old or have shit for game. Clubs and certain kinds are bars are not for all men. Shit, the reality is that there are better options for all men but that requires imagination, some work, and a little game. Too hard for most here....

That formula you described worked "okay" back in the day, but when women started to zip up the p***y and being flaky feminist-bots, it no longer became worth it. Remember back when 8-10's with lots of class hardly ever went to clubs? I'm talking bout legit choir church girls, etc. Only those loose 3-7 women would go. No big deal. No one was looking for a wife in the club back then anyway. Not most sane men at least. You could get a number or 3. Go on a few dates (booty calls really...). Smash and go on about your business. . Rinse and repeat. Then go on a real date with a nice girl you met at school or church, etc.

Since then all number ranges go to the clubs now and most women have about the same class level these days. All these broads do is simply increase the cock teasing to a level higher than it used to be. They laugh at the end of the night on how many free drinks, how many guys they gave fake numbers to, etc. and the no-game having cave men are scratching their heads. Men with game smash here and there still, but they are trapped in an endless loop of trying to improve the limits of their game, without realizing how much harder things have gotten. Lots of 3-6 hookups, a few slumpbuster 1-3's in a dry spell, and the only occasional 8-10s are not quality enough to bring home to mom or keep in your apartment, due to batshitcrazyness.

No one wins really. Except only the girls now of course like you mentioned.

[rudder]

Aren't night clubs supposed to be places FOR entertaining oneselves and their friends? Where does this whole 'getting someone to screw with' thing gets included into that?

Women mainly go to nightclubs to have fun, dance with their friends, etc.

Men mainly go to nightclubs to try to hook up.

This is why you always see ladie's nights, free admission/free drinks for women, etc.
The more women they bring to the club, the more men will come and spend money on drinks. It's a formula that has been going on for many years.

Of course not all people go to nightclubs to try to hook up but a large majority do. It has always been this way

You are the only guy in HA that gets it Mark. Well DJ and a few others too, but that is it. Most of these guys in HA are either too old or have shit for game. Clubs and certain kinds are bars are not for all men. Shit, the reality is that there are better options for all men but that requires imagination, some work, and a little game. Too hard for most here....

That formula you described worked "okay" back in the day, but when women started to zip up the p***y and being flaky feminist-bots, it no longer became worth it. Remember back when 8-10's with lots of class hardly ever went to clubs? I'm talking bout legit choir church girls, etc. Only those loose 3-7 women would go. No big deal. No one was looking for a wife in the club back then anyway. Not most sane men at least. You could get a number or 3. Go on a few dates (b***y calls really...). Smash and go on about your business. . Rinse and repeat. Then go on a real date with a nice girl you met at school or church, etc.

Since then all number ranges go to the clubs now and most women have about the same class level these days. All these broads do is simply increase the cock teasing to a level higher than it used to be. They laugh at the end of the night on how many free drinks, how many guys they gave fake numbers to, etc. and the no-game having cave men are scratching their heads. Men with game smash here and there still, but they are trapped in an endless loop of trying to improve the limits of their game, without realizing how much harder things have gotten. Lots of 3-6 hookups, a few slumpbuster 1-3's in a dry spell, and the only occasional 8-10s are not quality enough to bring home to mom or keep in your apartment, due to batshitcrazyness.

No one wins really. Except only the girls now of course like you mentioned.

Define "game." Are you talking about the Mystery method? Or just being a loquacious meat-head?

[kai1275]

Aren't night clubs supposed to be places FOR entertaining oneselves and their friends? Where does this whole 'getting someone to screw with' thing gets included into that?

Women mainly go to nightclubs to have fun, dance with their friends, etc.

Men mainly go to nightclubs to try to hook up.

This is why you always see ladie's nights, free admission/free drinks for women, etc.
The more women they bring to the club, the more men will come and spend money on drinks. It's a formula that has been going on for many years.

Of course not all people go to nightclubs to try to hook up but a large majority do. It has always been this way

You are the only guy in HA that gets it Mark. Well DJ and a few others too, but that is it. Most of these guys in HA are either too old or have shit for game. Clubs and certain kinds are bars are not for all men. Shit, the reality is that there are better options for all men but that requires imagination, some work, and a little game. Too hard for most here....

That formula you described worked "okay" back in the day, but when women started to zip up the p***y and being flaky feminist-bots, it no longer became worth it. Remember back when 8-10's with lots of class hardly ever went to clubs? I'm talking bout legit choir church girls, etc. Only those loose 3-7 women would go. No big deal. No one was looking for a wife in the club back then anyway. Not most sane men at least. You could get a number or 3. Go on a few dates (b***y calls really...). Smash and go on about your business. . Rinse and repeat. Then go on a real date with a nice girl you met at school or church, etc.

Since then all number ranges go to the clubs now and most women have about the same class level these days. All these broads do is simply increase the cock teasing to a level higher than it used to be. They laugh at the end of the night on how many free drinks, how many guys they gave fake numbers to, etc. and the no-game having cave men are scratching their heads. Men with game smash here and there still, but they are trapped in an endless loop of trying to improve the limits of their game, without realizing how much harder things have gotten. Lots of 3-6 hookups, a few slumpbuster 1-3's in a dry spell, and the only occasional 8-10s are not quality enough to bring home to mom or keep in your apartment, due to batshitcrazyness.

No one wins really. Except only the girls now of course like you mentioned.

Define "game." Are you talking about the Mystery method? Or just being a loquacious meat-head?

Game, PUA, whatever you want to call it. Yes it does exist, but it does have some limitations/restrictions depending on many factors such as: race, age, location, education, money, status in society, language/style, height, looks, etc. This subject has been beaten to death in past topics. The consensus is that PUA or game does not work for everyone and all women, (DUH!) but it does exist. It is not a mystery.... Are political speech skills a mystery too? (points at President Obama) I don't think so..... It's all about communication. Search the forums if you are interested. If you cannot find anything, maybe I can write up something to explain it. I get as many PMs regarding game as I get about Chinese women for some strange reason, and I rarely post about game at all.

[rudder]

No wonder why I sucked at game. I'm actually supposed to sound like an American douchebag when I talk? Judging from how far back into my head I roll my eyes everytime I hear a conversation between American women, I figure I could never be a suitable male counterpart to them...

The PUA stuff is a myth in my opinion anyway. You just need looks (preferably be a non-caucasian meat-head), a desire to escalate physically with undesirable bi.tch3s, and a decent ability to speak mindless chatter to distract the girl from the fact that you're getting her p..us$y wet with your physical escalation.

Last time I checked, evolution made human females the choosy sex. If they're not attracted to you, then you're sh.it out-of-luck. No secret sauce formula of conversational jiu-jiutsu is going to change that.

[kai1275]

No wonder why I sucked at game. I'm actually supposed to sound like an American douchebag when I talk? Judging from how far back into my head I roll my eyes everytime I hear a conversation between American women, I figure I could never be a suitable male counterpart to them...

The PUA stuff is a myth in my opinion anyway. You just need looks (preferably be a non-caucasian meat-head), a desire to escalate physically with undesirable bi.tch3s, and a decent ability to speak mindless chatter to distract the girl from the fact that you're getting her p..us$y wet with your physical escalation.

Last time I checked, evolution made human females the choosy sex. If they're not attracted to you, then you're sh.it out-of-luck. No secret sauce formula of conversational jiu-jiutsu is going to change that.

That's why guys like you cannot use tools like that. Your thinking processes are rife with diametric biases. See how you quickly you brush everything off, quickly attempting to relegate it down to just "conversational jujitsu"? Communication is not just "talking". It's the WHOLE package! Dressing well, looking right, saying the right things, avoid talking politics, preparation, eye contact, etc etc! . I outlined some of the factors in that previous post even.

The problem with game or PUA-ish doctrine in today's world, is that "The Game is f***ed Up". Too many guys are hanging out in the "friend-zone", not aggressive, assertive, confident, manly, and place ugly women on pedestals. Even worse, some of these swag-ginas have created more totem pole rankings for broads of certain skin colors and will hate on or fight other men, IN FRONT of the hoes! You know game and PUA stands no chance if you got 3-5 bitches thinking, talking, and acting like they are 8-10's!! No one can tell these women SHIT about themselves. They all act big with attitudes because if you do not kiss their f***ing asses, some other idiot that probably looks better than you, will.

Game/PUA is f***ed up here in the US. Works pretty well anywhere else within certain limitations depending upon the location. Besides, if you did not understand game or how to talk to women, what else are you going to use? Grunts like a cave man? Hitting her in the head and drag her ass to your cave? Whatever method you use to talk to women is still game too. Question is, whether or not your game sucks. That is still up for scrutiny.

[RichieBoy]

Night clubs in the West are where guys are lined-up trying to hook up - Most decent looking women just go to get an ego boost and get drunk

(Also as James Bond said, if you're looking for a relationship the type of women at nightclubs are usually young and probably not looking for serious anyway)

[bkk_bro]

Grunts like a cave man? Hitting her in the head and drag her a** to your cave?

Now were getting somewhere. Know anywhere that's having a sale on clubs?

[jamesbond]

Last time I checked, evolution made human females the choosy sex. If they're not attracted to you, then you're sh.it out-of-luck. No secret sauce formula of conversational jiu-jiutsu is going to change that.

That is absolutely true, women choose who they will sleep with and if she is not attracted to the man, no PUA material in the world is going to change that.

In the US, the problem is, even fat girls and ugly girls are picky about what guys they date and have sex with. This is because a lot of guys have put ugly girls and fat girls on a pedestal.

You have women who are a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10, only dating and having sex with guys who are at least an 8! WTF?

[rudder]

In the US, the problem is, even fat girls and ugly girls are picky about what guys they date and have sex with. This is because a lot of guys have put ugly girls and fat girls on a pedestal.

You have women who are a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10, only dating and having sex with guys who are at least an 8! WTF?

Is this really true though? It seems like a Happier Abroad myth to me. Maybe I don't go out to bars and clubs enough (I don't go at all), but I don't tend to witness decent looking guys desperately chasing after ugly girls, essentially begging for their acceptance. The most common thing I notice is how basically no one even interacts with each other. When I think about it, it seems like a miracle that men and women actually do form relationships in this society. I'd really like to be the fly on the wall to see how that whole process pans out.

[Temprano26]

In the US, the problem is, even fat girls and ugly girls are picky about what guys they date and have sex with. This is because a lot of guys have put ugly girls and fat girls on a pedestal.

You have women who are a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10, only dating and having sex with guys who are at least an 8! WTF?

Is this really true though? It seems like a Happier Abroad myth to me. Maybe I don't go out to bars and clubs enough (I don't go at all), but I don't tend to witness decent looking guys desperately chasing after ugly girls, essentially begging for their acceptance. The most common thing I notice is how basically no one even interacts with each other. When I think about it, it seems like a miracle that men and women actually do form relationships in this society. I'd really like to be the fly on the wall to see how that whole process pans out.

Quite right you are. Nobody interacts with others. That is why nightclubs are not just "how you make it". There comes a point having a good attitude is not enough because RESULTS are what matter. Nightclubs do not produce RESULTS.

[HenryGeorge]

It should be obvious by now that girls at clubs in America mainly go there with their friends to entertain themselves, with hardly any intention to look for a guy which makes it quite difficult for the single men at the club trying to find a partner. It is a fruitless pursuit from a man's point of view to be honest...

[NorthAmericanguy]

I have often found that none of my friends can go with me places because they cannot get up off their lazy asses to do anything so always I am forced to go places alone. It sucks but every weekend I have chosen to go out places and let nothing stop me from at least making an effort to enjoy my life.

In 2009, I was in a chronic state of heartbreak and depression but one night I chose to drive out to a nightclub with a positive attitude that I was good enough to meet people on my own. Because that is what everyone was telling me was that I was unhappy because I had a bad attitude towards life. As soon as I got there a bouncer shined a light in my face and said I needed to tuck in my shirt. Then I noticed that nobody else had their shirts tucked in and I couldn't imagine why anyone would have cared. Later that same bouncer yanked me by the arm and screamed profanities in my face. He slapped me on the back really hard and said "your shirt!" I didn't understand what I did to deserve that man's hatred and anger. Nobody cared what shirt I was wearing or how I was wearing it because I doubt anyone noticed my existence. I sat next to someone and just tried to make friendly conversation only to be told to go away. Having a positive attitude doesn't count for much when everyone around you has made the decision to be miserable. As depressed as I was feeling at that time I made the decision to go out and improve my situation. Other people in spite of every blessing they have still choose to be obnoxious pricks to everyone else and that is what it is to choose misery over happiness. I wasn't happy either but damn it at least I was trying.

In fact, when I went to California I went out to gay bars and found some pretty cool down-to-earth people who were happy with themselves. It wasn't anything so narrow-minded as being gay or straight, it was about who was friendly and who was a jerk to me. It really is not that complicated but if I told people that I went to gay bars, they look at me strange because it doesn't occur to them how nasty people are in mainstream places. I just made friends more naturally at gay bars because I never looked at them with any preconceived judgments. I accept that there are people in this world that are different than me and I hope they will accept me. Ultimately I went to Costa Rica for volunteer work because I could not tolerate being depressed all the time and it was all such a breath of fresh air. I didn't have to work to meet people anymore. I didn't have to search for sub-cultures of outcasts because people were naturally friendly and at peace. There was no more bullshit.

When I came back it was the same bullshit all over again. Nobody understood how I felt; they just assumed that I was happy to be back in the US and I damn sure wasn't. I found a salsa restaurant called Gloria's to indulge my love of salsa dancing and to a degree that was better because I was in a Latino culture of passion and love of life. I didn't have friends to go out with but I still went out to talk to women myself. The band was made up of Puerto Ricans that took a shine to me because I was different than most white people they knew. Since I was alone, I wrote what I thought in a journal because that is how I keep myself sane. One night I was writing about how I think Newt Gingrich is an idiot and the manager was on my case about people complaining that they thought I was writing about them. Are people really so petty and insecure? Why can I not mind my damn business without people turning it into something about them? This is ultimately what I hate about America for all its perks - people don't understand how I feel; they just assume how I feel and who I am. People are incapable of understanding my perspective.

Good post.... I feel your pain... And funny, I'm planing a trip to CR in a few months! Anyhow, I'm only in my 30's, but long story short, nightclubs in the United States use to be awesome back in the 60's all the way to the early 80's.

Back in the day, nightclubs use to be places where you could relax, have a good time, dance, and just meet really nice unpretentious people with class, but it all changed for the worse starting the late 80's early 90's aside from the underground clubs that played house music during that time.

What killed the nightclub scene? Many things, but mostly drugs and the change of the new MTV generation of people who lacked basic mannerisms, class, and are very egotistical and pretentious. The worse is the black clubs that are notorious for shootings. The music also sucks big time these days with rap/pop rap being the only form of musical sound. I could go on with the poor quality PA systems but I don't feel like explaining it in detail.

And yes, I heard about the gay clubs being more friendly... I know of straight women who say that they go to male gay clubs because they can just dance and have a good time without being bothered by men. They say they play better music there too.

[NorthAmericanguy]

It should be obvious by now that girls at clubs in America mainly go there with their friends to entertain themselves, with hardly any intention to look for a guy which makes it quite difficult for the single men at the club trying to find a partner. It is a fruitless pursuit from a man's point of view to be honest...

And I think that's fine. I think there should be public places for women to be able to go to enjoy themselves without having to worry about being hit on by men. Women need to do girl things with each other just as men need to do guy stuff each other just to have fun and be able to maintain a bond with each other. ha ha, I sure as hell wouldn't want women bothering me at a car show.

At the end of the day, men have many opportunities to meet women out in the real world where actually you will have a better shot at getting a woman's number anyway. Supermarkets, any shopping area, and restaurants is the best places to meet women in my experience.