Why I don't like being a sugar daddy to Filipinas

[Banano]

Thinking back when I was visiting Angeles i was turned off by these bar girls, no class, they acting like animals compared to Russians, even Thai women are much more sophisticated in comparison, you can tell they all come from very poor fammilies, how the hell can someone date these women is beyond me.

Probably about 80% of filipinas fall into poor category which translates to no class, manners,very shallow and hate to think, very similar to animals, huge turn off

[ladislav]

I have read countless statements on this site how filipinas are maleducated, cannot communicate well in english, and are basically stupid. But I beg to differ, these women you were talking about have you thought what are their educ'l backgrounds? On which part of the country did they grow up? What living class are they a part of? Poor, middle class or above average?

Emotional reactions aside and national/wounded pride issues( if they exist) aside, the educational standards in the Philippines are not what they used to be. It is just a fact. The same is happening in the USA. But in the Philippines, people have to able to afford high school, meaning if they have no money, they cannot finish, whereas in the US it is free. Hence, there is a big number of people without a HS degree in the Philippines. There are also no student loans to allow many people to go to colleges as in the US. So, it is just the truth that many people that we meet in our daily lives in the Philippines are well, not that well educated. Better than Thais or Cambodians but still not as good as it could be. But it does not mean they are stupid. Many Filipinas I know did not even finish highschool but they are very smart and articulate.

How many of you men here have actually dated a filipina who's not a prostitute, a whore or a bar girl? How could you generalize that all filipinas are one and the same just bec you encountered women who asks for money or support or even an interacial kid.

Plenty. Most of them

Take time to think over if any of you here have dated a filipina whose in the working class e.g. Those working in offices and who are college degree holders. Same women who are empowered that they don't need to stoop so slow as to work as prostitutes (I have nothing against these kind of women) it is just that these same persons whom most 'white' men encounter cement the image that filipinas are good for nothing bitches who cannot hold their end of conversation.

The thing with white American/Canadian/Aussie guys is that most are so used to sluts back home and " liberated women" that they do not see any difference between a slut in the home country ( most of Western women are non virgins and have had sex with multiple men) so they want a quick lay. They also do not discriminate against social classes and are just hungry for sex and affection. This causes the date-the-whore phenomenon.

Moreover, may I suggest that if you really want to find a decent filipina, don't look for them in bars.

Good advice, Actually, we need to determine what percentage of American/Western men look for GFs in bars and how many do so on the Internet, etc. Also, very few Westerners live in the Philippines period. The ones who are there long term do not date prostitutes from what I have noticed. The short time tourists do. It is faster and they get sex. They have no time to court a good girl for two years.

And besides, educated filipina; they will think twice before dating a foreigner.

Discriminating against people based on nationality/race is not a mark of a truly educated person. This is one part of the fact that the education in the Philippines still needs to improve and include some courses on multi-culturalism, etc. Because in our countries, only the uneducated people discriminate against foreigners and are bigoted. The educated ones are not racist/nationalist. If a person got a college degree and now discriminates against foreigners then it testifies to the standards that are still a bit behind what they should be.

[ph_visitor]

Discriminating against people based on nationality/race is not a mark of an educated person. This is one part of the fact that the education in the Philippines still needs to improve and include some courses on multi-culturalism, etc. Because in our countries, only the uneducated people discriminate against foreigners and are bigoted. The educated ones are not racist/nationalist. If a person got a college degree and now discriminates against foreigners then it testifies to the standards that are still a bit behind what they should be.

This does not bear up when one discusses the Koreans, Japanese or Chinese.

All very highly educated and among the most racist and xenophobic societies on the planet.

[Winston]

I have read countless statements on this site how filipinas are maleducated, cannot communicate well in english, and are basically stupid. But I beg to differ, these women you were talking about have you thought what are their educ'l backgrounds? On which part of the country did they grow up? What living class are they a part of? Poor, middle class or above average?

How many of you men here have actually dated a filipina who's not a prostitute, a whore or a bar girl? How could you generalize that all filipinas are one and the same just bec you encountered women who asks for money or support or even an interacial kid.

Take time to think over if any of you here have dated a filipina whose in the working class e.g. Those working in offices and who are college degree holders. Same women who are empowered that they don't need to stoop so slow as to work as prostitutes (I have nothing against these kind of women) it is just that these same persons whom most 'white' men encounter cement the image that filipinas are good for nothing bitches who cannot hold their end of conversation.

Moreover, may I suggest that if you really want to find a decent filipina, don't look for them in bars. And besides, educated filipina; they will think twice before dating a foreigner.

First, most Filipinas are poor. Not just bar girls, but the ones I meet in public too. Look at the whole infrastructure of the economy, and all the beggars and homeless people everywhere. What does that tell you? Don't be in denial.

Second, middle class Filipinas don't like to talk to strangers. They are cliquish. So most foreigners have no choice but to only date the poorest of the poor. What do you expect?

Are you middle class or a working Filipina? Do you talk to strangers or to foreigners?

[ladislav]

Discriminating against people based on nationality/race is not a mark of an educated person. This is one part of the fact that the education in the Philippines still needs to improve and include some courses on multi-culturalism, etc. Because in our countries, only the uneducated people discriminate against foreigners and are bigoted. The educated ones are not racist/nationalist. If a person got a college degree and now discriminates against foreigners then it testifies to the standards that are still a bit behind what they should be.

This does not bear up when one discusses the Koreans, Japanese or Chinese.

All very highly educated and among the most racist and xenophobic societies on the planet.

Their education is still way behind when it comes to human rights, treatment of women and minorities, etc.

[Taco]

Probably about 80% of filipinas fall into poor category which translates to no class, manners,very shallow and hate to think, very similar to animals, huge turn off

There still better than any white women I've dated, which tells you something.

[davewe]

Discriminating against people based on nationality/race is not a mark of an educated person. This is one part of the fact that the education in the Philippines still needs to improve and include some courses on multi-culturalism, etc. Because in our countries, only the uneducated people discriminate against foreigners and are bigoted. The educated ones are not racist/nationalist. If a person got a college degree and now discriminates against foreigners then it testifies to the standards that are still a bit behind what they should be.

This does not bear up when one discusses the Koreans, Japanese or Chinese.

All very highly educated and among the most racist and xenophobic societies on the planet.

I loved ladislav's entire post till he got to the point above. In my perhaps cynical opinion educated Americans are often just as racist as uneducated one. They just hide it better.

I was stunned as an adult to discover that my intelligent, upper-middle class father was a complete racist. When did I find that out? When I brought a black gf home - lol!

Racism/bigotry is not a function of level of education, intelligence, high cultural or economic class. The Nazi leadership was well educated and cultured.

[davewe]

Probably about 80% of filipinas fall into poor category which translates to no class, manners,very shallow and hate to think, very similar to animals, huge turn off

There still better than any white women I've dated, which tells you something.

+1

[davewe]

I have read countless statements on this site how filipinas are maleducated, cannot communicate well in english, and are basically stupid. But I beg to differ, these women you were talking about have you thought what are their educ'l backgrounds? On which part of the country did they grow up? What living class are they a part of? Poor, middle class or above average?

How many of you men here have actually dated a filipina who's not a prostitute, a whore or a bar girl? How could you generalize that all filipinas are one and the same just bec you encountered women who asks for money or support or even an interacial kid.

Take time to think over if any of you here have dated a filipina whose in the working class e.g. Those working in offices and who are college degree holders. Same women who are empowered that they don't need to stoop so slow as to work as prostitutes (I have nothing against these kind of women) it is just that these same persons whom most 'white' men encounter cement the image that filipinas are good for nothing bitches who cannot hold their end of conversation.

Moreover, may I suggest that if you really want to find a decent filipina, don't look for them in bars. And besides, educated filipina; they will think twice before dating a foreigner.

Nice first post. Keep it up and welcome!

[Banano]

Nazi germany was the most educated and developed country at the time,
Jews aka chosen people are one of the most educated people on planet earth and they are the biggest racists

Multiculturalism is jewish invention designed to destroy white race in order to control the world and prevent future holocausts, it is relativly new and artificial phenomenon that started after WW2, we lived without it for 1000s of years

[Jester]

Nazi germany was the most educated and developed country at the time,

Jews aka chosen people are one of the most educated people on planet earth and they are the biggest racists

Multiculturalism is jewish invention designed to destroy white race in order to control the world and prevent future holocausts, it is relativly new and artificial phenomenon that started after WW2, we lived without it for 1000s of years

All three of your points are correct.
Ah, yet -- what do us not-so-rich white guys over 50 do?
Stay here in the Kosher Cattle Pen, sedentary, letting our nuts get cut off..... or emigrate and spawn half-breed kiddies in a decent pro-family culture?

And if we emigrate, do we choose a racially proud, xenophobic country - well-run but damned hard to break into.... (North Asia, FSU) or do we find a place that is accepting, assimilating, okay with mixing, glad to have us? (Phils, L.A., as Ladislav has written about).

Pinay and Ladislav may be debating acceptance of Joes by upper-class Filipinas, but it nevertheless seems like the overall acceptance is going to be there for us in the Phil's.

[Jester]

Their education is still way behind when it comes to human rights, treatment of women and minorities, etc.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[Jester]

Moreover, may I suggest that if you really want to find a decent filipina, don't look for them in bars. And besides, educated filipina; they will think twice before dating a foreigner.

What are some things we can do to have a chance at attracting the best Pinays?

[ph_visitor]

This does not bear up when one discusses the Koreans, Japanese or Chinese.

All very highly educated and among the most racist and xenophobic societies on the planet.

Their education is still way behind when it comes to human rights, treatment of women and minorities, etc.

That's not education, that's Political Indoctrination.

Their treatment of women is much preferred to the madness that has ensued in the USA and West due to 'being educated so as not to be still way behind when it comes to' the topics you mentioned.

[ladislav]

A combined answer. "Educate" means to lead out ( of ignorance). No perfect system of education has been accomplished yet since the search for the truth is a never ending process. However, relatively speaking, the US education now has a strong anti-racist, and a politically correct element to it. In other words, a US college graduate today is not likely to stick fingers at people who look differently, abuse them verbally by using slurs and will at least be polite and not have conversations in front of those people that would make them feel bad. In other words, even if there is no perfect acceptance yet, a certain degree of tact and civility has been instilled.

An American for example has been taught not to use the N-word in public. That other racial slurs are bad, too. It is also unlikely that he/she would teach his kids to stick fingers at people, point out races/ethnicities that are different and encourage them to taunt such people. So, progress has been made to a very big degree. And everything is a matter of degree.

There has also been a Civil Rights movement and strong laws prohibiting discrimination have been passed. Discrimination is still happening but a big chunk of it has been chipped away and there is a view by a huge segment of society that it is bad. So, 'proper' education/civil action has significantly relieved the problem ( although did not remove it altogether; it is a work in progress still). You can be sued and lose your job and be ostracized by colleagues at work if you show intolerant views publicly.

No such thing in many Asian countries because they are still some 60 years behind the West in human/civil rights. Parents point out those who look different to their kids and stand there laughing while kids take a piss at them and hurl racial slurs. Age discrimination is rampant as no US type laws are present/or enforced. Their education is still not up to par and does not teach them to at least show tact to others, and there are no Civil Rights as in the US. So, there you go. Yes, they are 'educated' but not in such an advanced way.

As far as the Philippines goes, well, again, they have great technical/maritime education and medical/dental/nursing/hotel courses. They also have pretty good business schools. Their high school programs include Ethics and how to treat a fellow man. The American educational system does not include a compulsory Ethics course, otoh. In my view, the Ethics that are taught here are a big part of the reason why the Filipinos are so well behaved and so relatively unconfrontational/respectful to each other and guests.

However, the RP was given independence before the US Civil Rights movement and the politically correct movement in the language. So, often there is no tact when they speak to foreigners/each other and what they say on the radio, in the press and on TV. They still call black people Negroes, they call white people "foreigners" openly and in their face ( which would be impolite in the US today to call any person, even a foreign student a foreigner) this is why we use the word "International" vs foreign -and they often just talk tactlessly with no regard for your feelings. Teacher Pinay and her open statement as to a Filipina thinking twice about dating a foreigner is an example of such a behavior.

I was on a plane going to Bahrain with a Filipino engineer and we were talking and he, out of the blue, just blurted out laughingly- "you know, I just went to Spain and ha ha ha, they hate you, American people." It would be rare, say, for an American engineer to be so crude and impolite so suddenly.

I had a British friend who had a Filipina nurse girlfriend and he had brought a friend over for dinner and after the friend left the Filipina nurse started laughing-
"Oh my God, he is so old!" Again, totally impolite and insensitive from the Western point of view.

So, in terms of tactfulness when talking to/about others, they still have plenty of work to do, in my view.

The paradox is that the Philippine society at large is still very friendly and accepting of other races/foreigners, much more so than the US or "real" Asian countries and the people in terms of mingling with you are still much more open to them than there. Sadly, the poorer they are the more open they tend to be and the richer and more "educated" the less so. Kind of the opposite of the US.

As far as us wanting an educated Filipina, well, I would like to appeal to people here not to discriminate by class/education but rather look at the potential the person has and her natural abilities. Also, please do not participate in any snobbish cast system, it is very un- American and inhumane. It does not mean you should date and marry hookers, but also, that you should not be class snobs.

I know lots of girls here who are very smart, articulate and have good hearts and are virgins. But they did not have money to go to college. Some did not even have the money to finish high school. Nobody is helping them. Why would you want to discriminate against these very good people in favor of some "educated" person whose parents did have money to send her to school and who is now stuck up on account of that?

Just my scattered thoughts.