Who else is a vegetarian here?

[Truthville]

I'm a sorta, backwards vegan.

I eat red meat BUT I have totally eliminated ALL dairy from my diet. I also do not eat pork. Eliminating red meat is something I'm working on.

I cannot stand chicken UNLESS it's cooked a certain way. Fish is OK. Other seafood is a no-no for me.

I eat fruit everyday. I LOVE raw vegetables!

Unfortunately, I LOVE Soda, though I am slowly cutting that out. Eliminating caffeine is a goal.

Fast Food maybe once a week, that is slowly going away too.

For me, processed sugar is my main habit. I'm going to eventually eliminate that too. It'll be hard though.

TruthVille.

[swincor]

I'm a vegetarian too.

This is an extremely misleading statement, even if technically true. Chances are, you're probably no better off than someone who does eat meat, since by your own admission you consume vast quantities of cake, cookies, and other sugary sweets, all of which add up to a significant health hazard.

The fact is: you're fat, Winston. And it's very likely due to poor diet and eating habits, regardless of vegetarianism. I would actually refrain from publicizing your vegetarian diet to your readers, since you would probably give those considering going vegetarian second thoughts if they ever saw a picture of you.

I am a vegetarian for all the standards reasons, plus:

- it feels right
- it gives me better cleaner karma
- it keeps me looking younger

You should see that film "Meet your Meet" on Peta.org narrated by Alec Baldwin. It may also be on YouTube. It may convince you why meat is bad.

Uh-huh. Right. But apparently no one's convinced you that stuffing your face with cookies and cakes is just as bad if not worse. Incidentally, you do realize how robotic you sound listing those reasons?

[Jackal]

"veg·e·tar·i·an
   [vej-i-tair-ee-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person who does not eat or does not believe in eating meat, fish, fowl, or, in some cases, any food derived from animals, as eggs or cheese, but subsists on vegetables, fruits, nuts, grain, etc."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vegetarian


"vegetarian
Pronunciation:/vɛdʒɪˈtɛːrɪən/
noun

a person who does not eat meat or fish, and sometimes other animal products, especially for moral, religious, or health reasons."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vegetarian

As anybody can see clearly by the definitions above, a vegetarian is anyone who doesn't eat the flesh of animals. A vegetarian who eats unhealthy foods is still a vegetarian. If someone only eats poptarts and Pepsi, he is also a vegetarian, although obviously a very unhealthy one. There are many types of vegetarians in the world and not all of them are the stereotypical starving hippies who eat only vegetables (but perhaps those people on a raw vegan diet might come closer to that stereotype).

The fact is: you're fat, Winston.

He's already aware of this. He never claimed to be some skin-and-bones yoga master. Lots of meat-eaters are also fat. Anyone who consumes more calories than they burn gets fat. That's it. If Winston ate half as much of everything, he'd probably lose weight without even changing the foods he eats (although he'd probably end up with the "skinny-fat" look without a good diet and exercise).

I would actually refrain from publicizing your vegetarian diet to your readers, since you would probably give those considering going vegetarian second thoughts if they ever saw a picture of you.

No, we're all adults here. Members here can tell the difference between healthy and unhealthy diets.

Winston is a bit fat, but he's not as fat as these KFC customers:

http://fastfood.ocregister.com/2009/05/ ... hes/20107/

Saying that all omnivores are fat just because these two KFC customers are fat, would be as baseless an argument as saying that all vegetarians are somewhat fat just because Winston is.

Uh-huh. Right. But apparently no one's convinced you that stuffing your face with cookies and cakes is just as bad if not worse.

How could eating lots of sweets ever be as bad as supporting the slaughter of living creatures? Winston is only harming himself; he's not harming any other creatures. For that, he should be commended.

If you feel no sense of loss when you see an animal die, then that's a shame.

[Mr S]

Jackal, you're a Buddhist right? Do you eat garlic? Why don't Buddhists eat garlic? Ladislav takes garlic pills and says it greatly helps detoxify his body. I heard that garlic is a natural antibiotic too. So if it has healing properties, then why do Buddhists consider it to be bad?

Where can I buy garlic pills? Will it really help de-tox my body? If so, how do they do it?

Garlic pills are a waste of money because the active ingredient that you need to get by crushing them dissipates within a few minutes. So if you don't consume garlic raw within a reasonable time it doesn't do anything for you. (don't cook garlic either) So garlic pills are useless. ?just eat a clove of garlic raw and chew it for a minute in your mouth then swallow with a glass of water. Take a couple times a day and that will help you more and will be much more cheaper too.

[The_Adventurer]

Hmm, interesting. I didn't know that Orthodox Christians fasted.

Fasting was a huge part of all christian traditions in the early days. Jesus and the disciples fasted quite often according to the stories we have of them today. I am guessing fasting went out when it all became more mainstream and incorporated traditions of all the other religions it gobbled up over time.

I used to be vegan for a long time. Did the vegetarian thing for a while too. Always shopped at Whole Foods or Trader Joes. Now I eat whatever, (whatever my gf cooks) simply because diet overall in Asia, especially Japan and China, is so much healthier and very light on meat anyway. We often have huge vegetable dishes and occasionally a few chunks of meat or egg. We also eat lots of fruits and occasionally seeds. I never felt better.

[Winston]

Hero, you can buy garlic pills at any supplements store or health food store in your local area. Look up online info about their benefits. I've just started trying them out, at Ladislav's suggestion, so I'll let you know if they work.

Jackal, well Chinese Buddhists are taught not to eat garlic, and Chinese vegetarian restaurants do not serve dishes with garlic or onion.

Swincor, I've not eaten any meat or fish since 1990. That's a fact.

[The_Hero_of_Men]

Jackal, you're a Buddhist right? Do you eat garlic? Why don't Buddhists eat garlic? Ladislav takes garlic pills and says it greatly helps detoxify his body. I heard that garlic is a natural antibiotic too. So if it has healing properties, then why do Buddhists consider it to be bad?

Where can I buy garlic pills? Will it really help de-tox my body? If so, how do they do it?

Garlic pills are a waste of money because the active ingredient that you need to get by crushing them dissipates within a few minutes. So if you don't consume garlic raw within a reasonable time it doesn't do anything for you. (don't cook garlic either) So garlic pills are useless. ?just eat a clove of garlic raw and chew it for a minute in your mouth then swallow with a glass of water. Take a couple times a day and that will help you more and will be much more cheaper too.

I should try that... Thank you

[Jackal]

Jackal, well Chinese Buddhists are taught not to eat garlic, and Chinese vegetarian restaurants do not serve dishes with garlic or onion.

Interesting. I didn't know that.

Here is some more info about the Five Pungent Spices from the Shurangama Sutra:
"Beings who seek samadhi should refrain from eating [the] five pungent plants of this world. If these five are eaten cooked, they increase one's sexual desire; if they are eaten raw, they increase one's anger."

If a person eats one of these spices, the gods "will stay far away from them because they smell bad, [and] hungry ghosts will hover around and kiss their lips". Being around ghosts can be an obstacle to one's quest for enlightenment.
http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/Buddhism/B ... 20Diet.htm

Come to think of it, I rarely eat onions or garlic, even though I don't actively avoid them. I'm not frequently in the mood for garlic, and I'm often too lazy to bother with peeling and chopping onions.

[Mr S]

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=14935

Garlic Keeps More Than Vampires Away
2011 04 13
By Lana Lokteff | redicecreations.com



Garlic has ancient roots. The word "garlic" comes from Old English and means spear-leek. Both leeks and garlic come from the onion family (Alliaceae). The plant is thought to have originated in central Asia, used there since neolithic times. It was probably among the earliest of cultivated crops. It spread early, via trade routes, to become a staple flavoring throughout Europe, Asia, and Africa.

Archeologists have discovered clay sculptures of garlic bulbs and paintings of garlic dating about 3200 B.C. in Egyptian tombs in El Mahasna. An Egyptian papyrus dating from 1,500 B.C. recommends garlic as a cure all for over 22 common ailments, including lack of stamina, heart disease and tumors. Tutankhamen (Egypt’s youngest pharaoh) was sent into the afterlife with garlic at his side.

It was popular in India among the lower classes. It was thought to be a strong stimulant, even an aphrodisiac. As such, monks were abjured to abstain from it. It was also thought to have medicinal properties that promoted extended life spans, and to cure several diseases. Today, scientific literature shows that the ancients were correct: garlic is a very beneficial food.

In 1858, Louis Pasteur documented that garlic kills bacteria, with one millimeter or raw garlic juice proving as effective as 60 milligrams of penicillin. During World War II, when penicillin and sulfa drugs were scarce, the British and Russian armies used diluted garlic solutions as an antiseptic to disinfect open wounds and prevent gangrene. Though not completely understood at the time, today’s research has confirmed that garlic’s healing powers stem from hundreds of volatile sulfur compounds found in the vegetable, including allicin, (which gives garlic its offensive odor), alliin, cycroalliin, and diallyldisulphide.

• Garlic lowers blood pressure (9% to 15 % with one or two medium cloves per day.)

• Garlic lowers LDL Cholesterol (9% to 15 % with one or two medium cloves per day.)

• Garlic helps reduce atherosclerotic buildup (plaque) within the arterial system. One recent study shows this effect to be greater in women than men.

• Garlic lowers or helps to regulate blood sugar.

• Garlic assists digestion, alleviating digestive disorders.

• Garlic helps to prevent blood clots from forming, thus reducing the possibility of strokes and thromboses (Hemophiliacs shouldn't use garlic.)

• Garlic helps to prevent cancer, especially of the digestive system, prevents certain tumors from growing larger and reduces the size of certain tumors.

• Garlic may help to remove heavy metals such as lead and mercury from the body.

• Raw Garlic is a potent natural antibiotic that works differently than modern antibiotics and kills some strains of bacteria, like staph, that have become immune or resistant to modern antibiotics.

• Garlic has anti-fungal and anti-viral properties.

• Garlic illiminates yeast infections due to Candida species. (Women can insert a garlic clove into the vagina overnight and remove the next morning. Repeat nightly until the yeast infection is gone.)

• Garlic has anti-oxidant properties and is a source of selenium.

• Crushed raw garlic can be used to kill bacteria and other tiny lifeforms such as E. coli in contaminated water when there is no other water available. Just crush it and let it wait as above and then mix it into a bottle of strained water and let set for an hour or two or overnight to have time to kill as many of the bacteria as possible.

• Garlic can be used on snake and insect bites. Crush it and rub directly into and around the marks.

• A way to use garlic on a stuffy nose, sore throat and infection that has gone into the lungs is to crush the small end of a clove and use it like a Vick's inhaler so you breathe the fumes through your nostrils. This will help clear the passages as well as fight the germs. Eating garlic is not enough, it has to get to the site of the infection as directly as possible and breathing it in takes it all the way into the lungs. Another way to do the same thing is to crush the garlic and wrap gauze, cheesecloth or thin fabric around it and breathe through the gauze to get the vapors into the lungs.

• If you get one of those massive brain-pounding toothaches and there's no dentist around, crushed raw garlic actually knocks out the infection and relieves pain.

• Taking a bath in garlic water will help aches, pains and flus. The healing properties are absorbed faster through the skin.

• Garlic kills many fungi on contact including athlete's foot fungus.

• Eating garlic gives the consumer an enhanced sense of well being - it makes you feel good just eating it.

• Garlic probably has other benefits as well.
If you have any bacteria related issues, garlic is a must. Generally, take 2-3 cloves a day until your problem goes away. Garlic is nature’s antibiotic without the harsh side effects.

It is best to let crushed raw garlic set for 7 or 14 minutes before using so that it can form the maximum amount of allicin in order to have greater antibacterial properties. The reason is that crushing garlic forms sulfenic acid (thus the burning sensation) which steadily breaks down into allicin, the highly antibiotic compound that kills bacteria. For reasons not clearly understood, every 6 and 1/4 minutes or so there is a rapid dramatic increase in the rate of conversion for about 30 seconds and then it drops off to normal again for another 6 and 1/4 minute cycle and then it sharply increases again for another 30 seconds or so and again drops back to the normal rate. By waiting seven minutes, you benefit from the first great wave and by waiting 14 minutes, you get the extra boost of the second surge.

Lastly, not all garlics are alike. Be sure to sure to buy organically grown strong garlic. And watch out for garlic that has been irradiated, mostly coming from China. Irradiation is the process of exposing raw and/or processed food to ionizing radiation, which claims to kill disease and pathogens and extend the shelf-life by altering a plant's (clove's) ability to sprout. Irridiated garlic keeps for a long time and retains it's flavor but loses it's pungency - no heat when raw. The reason for this is that the irradiation literally kills the garlic and it is dead. When you slice irradiated garlic cloves vertically, instead of a healthy, living, light green central spike, it is brown and wilted since it is dead. Irradiated food cannot be recognized by sight, smell, taste, or feel. In the USA, irradiated foods will be labeled with a logo, along with the words "Treated with Radiation", or "Treated by Irradiation." It is best to buy garlic from your local farmers’ market or grow your own.

[swincor]

"veg·e·tar·i·an
   [vej-i-tair-ee-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person who does not eat or does not believe in eating meat, fish, fowl, or, in some cases, any food derived from animals, as eggs or cheese, but subsists on vegetables, fruits, nuts, grain, etc."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vegetarian


"vegetarian
Pronunciation:/vɛdʒɪˈtɛːrɪən/
noun

a person who does not eat meat or fish, and sometimes other animal products, especially for moral, religious, or health reasons."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vegetarian

As anybody can see clearly by the definitions above, a vegetarian is anyone who doesn't eat the flesh of animals. A vegetarian who eats unhealthy foods is still a vegetarian. If someone only eats poptarts and Pepsi, he is also a vegetarian, although obviously a very unhealthy one. There are many types of vegetarians in the world and not all of them are the stereotypical starving hippies who eat only vegetables (but perhaps those people on a raw vegan diet might come closer to that stereotype).

The fact is: you're fat, Winston.

He's already aware of this. He never claimed to be some skin-and-bones yoga master. Lots of meat-eaters are also fat. Anyone who consumes more calories than they burn gets fat. That's it. If Winston ate half as much of everything, he'd probably lose weight without even changing the foods he eats (although he'd probably end up with the "skinny-fat" look without a good diet and exercise).

I really don't disagree with anything you're saying here. The thing is, I was never making an argument against vegetarianism, or for a meat-eating diet.

I would actually refrain from publicizing your vegetarian diet to your readers, since you would probably give those considering going vegetarian second thoughts if they ever saw a picture of you.

No, we're all adults here. Members here can tell the difference between healthy and unhealthy diets.

Winston is a bit fat, but he's not as fat as these KFC customers:

http://fastfood.ocregister.com/2009/05/ ... hes/20107/

Saying that all omnivores are fat just because these two KFC customers are fat, would be as baseless an argument as saying that all vegetarians are somewhat fat just because Winston is.

Well, I was being facetious. I thought that was pretty obvious. Again, I was never making a case against vegetarianism in the first place.

Uh-huh. Right. But apparently no one's convinced you that stuffing your face with cookies and cakes is just as bad if not worse.

How could eating lots of sweets ever be as bad as supporting the slaughter of living creatures? Winston is only harming himself; he's not harming any other creatures. For that, he should be commended.

If you feel no sense of loss when you see an animal die, then that's a shame.

Well, I guess that depends on your beliefs. I don´t happen to be vegetarian myself, and I don´t feel quite the same horror as you do about the slaughtering of animals for food, although � can certainly respect the view that it is immoral. There are also good arguments from an environmental standpoint about factory farming. But no, I can´t say I feel much sense of loss or guilt when I see an animal die for food.

I think it's too general and extreme to make a direct comparison between eating sweets and killing animals for meat, and then say that one is a greater evil than the other. The fact that one harms only himself doesn't make that better than one who kills animals for food. Each has to be understood in a specific context, plus there are different values involved in each, and not everyone is going to view them the same way. It's really up to the person to weigh those values and then decide for himself which are given a higher priority.

[swincor]

Swincor, I've not eaten any meat or fish since 1990. That's a fact.

Your diet and eating habits still suck anyway. You've simply substituted one type of poison for another, so who really cares what you haven't eaten since 1990.

[Winston]

Jackal,
Is vegetarian food easy to find in Hungary? What do you eat at most restaurants and cafes there? Do you have a lot of choices?

Also, do you think not eating meat makes a guy less masculine? Does it decrease his testosterone level and make him less attractive to women?

[Winston]

Swincor, you're a psycho, that's why you don't feel sorry for animals.

Everyone should see this film narrated by Alec Baldwin called "Meet Your Meat".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6833909134

Description:
"The video that all meat-eaters should watch and every vegetarian should own, "Meet Your Meat," narrated by Alec Baldwin, covers each stage of life of animals raised for food. No PETA videos are copyrighted, so copy them for everyone you know."

Music legend and activist Paul McCartney delivers a powerful narration of this must-see video. Watch now to discover why everyone would be vegetarian if slaughterhouses had glass walls.



Check out this:

http://www.meat.org/

The website the meat industry doesn't want you to see!

[odbo]

Jackal,
Is vegetarian food easy to find in Hungary? What do you eat at most restaurants and cafes there? Do you have a lot of choices?

Also, do you think not eating meat makes a guy less masculine? Does it decrease his testosterone level and make him less attractive to women?

I will say this Winston.. When I ate nothing but sweets and chocolates, my penis got really lazy and was 1/2inch smaller erect. I suppose it depends on blood and if there's nothing but sugar in your blood what do you expect. While if I have more protein than usual the erection bigger than usual.

I'm not talking about level of being horny or erectile dysfunction here.. both of which are affected greatly by onions and/or garlic.

Consider eating seafood. Try to find a way to improve your protein intake using a vegetarian diet. DO NOT eat soy. Unfermented soy is poison and has a lot of estrogen. It's a fact that meat will make you more aggressive, I don't know if it will make you more manly. You were born a wimp and you didn't do yourself any favors moving to the Philippines where people are generally lazy man-childs with no drive and where you can get instant gratification around every corner.

[Winston]

Here are some deep thoughts and ruminations from Darryl Sloan, my favorite intellectual freethinker on YouTube, about our relationship with animals and the concept of vegetarianism. He makes some really good sensible wise points.