Female Bisexuality is Both Natural and Normal

[Tsar]

It's my opinion based on research into many different fields that female bisexuality is normal and that females have a natural tendency to prefer polygynous relationships.

Female psychology really enjoys competition. That's why they enjoy competing for men who are already taken and why guys who other girls desire automatically have more success.

When a girl competes with other girls for a guy and she wins, she feels happy because she's won and become his favorite.

Guys often lose interest or don't want to compete if there's too much competition because a girl with too many guys in her orbit would be more likely to cheat or leave them. A guy doesn't want to be a girl's favorite because he wants loyalty. Girls, however, will often be okay with being a favorite. This is because guys have the ability to love as many girls as he has and genuinely love them all. A girl can't because a girl can only be with one guy and she will compare all her previous partners to her current guy. There's a very clear difference in how males and females love the opposite sex. However, girls can experience the same type of love that men have for multiple girls because girls will not compare their girlfriends.

Girls are more emotional, more beautiful, and have more openness with other girls. Many girls have natural bisexuality instincts or are more open to being bisexual if they know their guy would enjoy it and they will also enjoy it. Most girls were hiding their bisexuality since Christianity became dominant and it was repressed because it wasn't always socially acceptable.

From what I understand, it's emotional closeness, pleasure, love, and also finding other girls beautiful that makes girls more open to bisexuality and actively enjoy it. A love they can experience with other girls, and girls know better than many guys how to pleasure a girl.

In ancient times, female bisexuality was also used as a way to stay a virgin for guys or to avoid cheating on a guy while he was away.

I personally would be okay with bringing back female bisexuality as a way for girls to stay virgins for a guy. I know if tomorrow, two girls were willing to date me, and one had sex with 10 girls, 0 guys, but the other had sex with 0 girls, 1 guy, I would date the girl that was a virgin with guys but I would reject the girl who wasn't a virgin. If a girl only had sex with feminine female girls, she's still a virgin and can't compare a guy to another guy. Therefore, I would say it's much more preferable.

Seeing a girl kissing a guy turns me off and I lose all interest in her, but seeing her kiss another girl makes me not lose any interest or it is a turn on. It's very beautiful and nonthreatening and preferable.

If I saw a guy fondling a girl that I might like, then I don't have any interest in her anymore. But, I wouldn't care if I saw another girl fondling a girl that I like. I've had this happen on Instagram where I thought a girl was desirable but then lost all interest when she posted a mirror selfie with a guy feeling her body and groping her boobs. I've seen girls on Instagram do similar things and it doesn't bother me at all and it's preferable.

Girls are also cleaner and when girls are intimate during bisexuality it isn't really going to spread diseases. It's much safer for girls to favor sex with a girl until she finds a guy to be with long-term. Girls can also avoid getting pregnant out of wedlock, no reason for girls to even consider abortions, and girls can be virgins with guys so they'll still be a virgin for their long-term boyfriend.

Female bisexuality can definitely be used to improve moral conditions. Ideally, girls will find a guy when young, but if they really want to have sex to experience it, they should do it with a girl.

It's female instinct to go for men who are already taken because it's a sign that the guy isn't at all desperate and he's desirable by at least one other female. This works if the female a guy is with is equal or better than the one that's after him. Occasionally, a guy with an average girl can also be enough to get a really desirable girl to desire him. That's because girls feel more successful if she can win a guy to prefer her over his existing girlfriend because it means she was more desirable.

This works better in polygynous relationships because all the girls will be enjoying friendly competition while also satisfying their natural bisexuality. The girls will also be more loyal because if a guy has other girls then her leaving won't be as much of a loss but she loses a friend and a source of attention and a source of affection. She would not risk cheating if she will lose a valuable or desirable guy, and cheating can impact her more because she would lose her polygynous relationships and for a girl, they are more emotional so losing a boyfriend and some of her girlfriends would be more extreme. The girls can also act as spies so if one cheats, they can report it. Girls in a polygynous relationship will hangout more often and that will mean all her friends have been vetted and none are bad influences.

Also, there's a difference in female bisexuality.
Natural Female Bisexuality: Female bisexuality when it's natural is feminine. This can be observed in detail when looking at Femme lesbians who embrace their feminine nature. Feminine bisexual girls will be feminine and look feminine and act like females.
Unnatural Female Bisexuality: Butch lesbians and boyish lesbians are feminists and basically queers because they want to be boys and masculine, and hate real men. Many more bisexual girls in most Western nations are becoming of the variety that looks like butch and boyish lesbians. This is because of degenerate Jewish ideologies such as feminism, the toxic culture, and liberalism/progressivism. They almost always hate men, try to act tough, and don't act like girls. They do everything they can to avoid acting and looking like a female and they actively fight against their nature as a female.

Many studies have shown that at least 67% of girls are naturally bisexual or open to bisexuality. I think it's accurate because girls have that nature and girls enjoy sex much more. Most guys would definitely love to join two bisexual girls for sex.

I think that many ancient societies knew this about girls and were more tolerant about female bisexuality because if it's the natural form of female bisexuality, it doesn't damage females and it doesn't reduce their ability to pair bond with one man.

[MrMan]

It's my opinion based on research into many different fields that female bisexuality is normal and that females have a natural tendency to prefer polygynous relationships.

Does your 'research' have anything to do with watching films of naked girls playing with each other?

Women having sex with each other is contrary to nature and basic human decency, like men having sex with men, but probably a little less abominable.

I haven't heard of any ancient harems encouraging girl-girl sex. I'd imagine the king would have wanted a harem girl to be wound up and ready to attend to him whenever it was her turn.

If you want to learn from nature, talk with some lesbians. They tend to be mannish in their mannerisms, not necessarily particularly friendly toward men. Think of the most extreme man-hating feminists. Some of them are lesbians. I remember when I first went to college, I visited a club, a very old debate society, and met the first self-professed lesbian I ever remember meeting. She was a pretty girl, but reached out her hand to shake mine in a masculine way, and carried herself a bit masculine. A waste of a pretty face. You might think she's feminine at first, then her face starts to take on the drab feminist quasi-masculine look, her voice drops a bit, she goes to the salon and gets a buzz cut, etc. There was this other dude there with crazy looking eyes they said was bisexual. I did not join the club. I found something else to do that night of the week.

Media is promoting freakiness and gender fluidity and all that garbage. There might be a few women out there that experiment with 'bi' stuff or go into it long term. This is not the kind of girl you would want around your house, spending a life with you. Left-wing perverts in the US are also susceptible to believing whatever other poo the left wing slings around, like hating men, etc.

If a girl is _that_ freaky, she might be more likely to have an STD, too.

[Tsar]

It's my opinion based on research into many different fields that female bisexuality is normal and that females have a natural tendency to prefer polygynous relationships.

Does your 'research' have anything to do with watching films of naked girls playing with each other?

Women having sex with each other is contrary to nature and basic human decency, like men having sex with men, but probably a little less abominable.

I haven't heard of any ancient harems encouraging girl-girl sex. I'd imagine the king would have wanted a harem girl to be wound up and ready to attend to him whenever it was her turn.

If you want to learn from nature, talk with some lesbians. They tend to be mannish in their mannerisms, not necessarily particularly friendly toward men. Think of the most extreme man-hating feminists. Some of them are lesbians. I remember when I first went to college, I visited a club, a very old debate society, and met the first self-professed lesbian I ever remember meeting. She was a pretty girl, but reached out her hand to shake mine in a masculine way, and carried herself a bit masculine. A waste of a pretty face. You might think she's feminine at first, then her face starts to take on the drab feminist quasi-masculine look, her voice drops a bit, she goes to the salon and gets a buzz cut, etc. There was this other dude there with crazy looking eyes they said was bisexual. I did not join the club. I found something else to do that night of the week.

Media is promoting freakiness and gender fluidity and all that garbage. There might be a few women out there that experiment with 'bi' stuff or go into it long term. This is not the kind of girl you would want around your house, spending a life with you. Left-wing perverts in the US are also susceptible to believing whatever other poo the left wing slings around, like hating men, etc.

If a girl is _that_ freaky, she might be more likely to have an STD, too.

I mention that in my original post. There's femme lesbians who are usually feminine and then there's masculine lesbians.

However, this isn't a thread about lesbians, it's a thread about female bisexuality.

[Outcast9428]

I have never heard anything about these Ancient cultures you are mentioning having girls have sex with each other to stay virgins. Which Ancient culture are you talking about? Because in Rome, Greece, China, and all the Mesopotamian cultures, female on female sex was practically unheard of for them. Pretty much every time in history up until now, homosexual behavior has primarily been a male thing.

Even if female bisexuality is normal doesn’t mean they should do it. Every time guys give into these porno-style fantasies and try to replicate it in real life, society gets worse. Women are a reflection of society’s men. The majority of men in our country now cannot stop being degenerates so now our women are degenerates too… Following men’s example, and society is falling apart because of it.

[Tsar]

I have never heard anything about these Ancient cultures you are mentioning having girls have sex with each other to stay virgins. Which Ancient culture are you talking about? Because in Rome, Greece, China, and all the Mesopotamian cultures, female on female sex was practically unheard of for them. Pretty much every time in history up until now, homosexual behavior has primarily been a male thing.

Even if female bisexuality is normal doesn’t mean they should do it. Every time guys give into these porno-style fantasies and try to replicate it in real life, society gets worse. Women are a reflection of society’s men. The majority of men in our country now cannot stop being degenerates so now our women are degenerates too… Following men’s example, and society is falling apart because of it.

That's because girls in the ancient world were often married by age 14 so they didn't often have opportunity to fornicate and they wouldn't really have a need. Girls were also under pressure to marry young and while most are in their prime. However, when men were all away at war, I heard many would engage in female bisexuality if necessary. I imagine such behavior is preferable to girls cheating.

Not all women would be loyal if their husbands are away 1-2 years in a battle or sometimes longer. Female bisexuality is obviously better than females commiting adultery with a male.

I'm mostly applying the ancient concept that I heard about to modern times. It's much more preferable in 2023 that if a girl is going to have sex, she has sex with other girls because it's worse if a girl has sex with guys.

[Outcast9428]

I have never heard anything about these Ancient cultures you are mentioning having girls have sex with each other to stay virgins. Which Ancient culture are you talking about? Because in Rome, Greece, China, and all the Mesopotamian cultures, female on female sex was practically unheard of for them. Pretty much every time in history up until now, homosexual behavior has primarily been a male thing.

Even if female bisexuality is normal doesn’t mean they should do it. Every time guys give into these porno-style fantasies and try to replicate it in real life, society gets worse. Women are a reflection of society’s men. The majority of men in our country now cannot stop being degenerates so now our women are degenerates too… Following men’s example, and society is falling apart because of it.

That's because girls in the ancient world were often married by age 14 so they didn't often have opportunity to fornicate and they wouldn't really have a need. Girls were also under pressure to marry young and while most are in their prime. However, when men were all away at war, I heard many would engage in female bisexuality if necessary. I imagine such behavior is preferable to girls cheating.

Not all women would be loyal if their husbands are away 1-2 years in a battle or sometimes longer. Female bisexuality is obviously better than females commiting adultery with a male.

I'm mostly applying the ancient concept that I heard about to modern times. It's much more preferable in 2023 that if a girl is going to have sex, she has sex with other girls because it's worse if a girl has sex with guys.

The average age of marriage in the Ancient world was 20-21, not 14. Also you didn’t specify which culture you heard about this pertaining to because I’ve never heard of any culture doing that.

[Tsar]

I have never heard anything about these Ancient cultures you are mentioning having girls have sex with each other to stay virgins. Which Ancient culture are you talking about? Because in Rome, Greece, China, and all the Mesopotamian cultures, female on female sex was practically unheard of for them. Pretty much every time in history up until now, homosexual behavior has primarily been a male thing.

Even if female bisexuality is normal doesn’t mean they should do it. Every time guys give into these porno-style fantasies and try to replicate it in real life, society gets worse. Women are a reflection of society’s men. The majority of men in our country now cannot stop being degenerates so now our women are degenerates too… Following men’s example, and society is falling apart because of it.

That's because girls in the ancient world were often married by age 14 so they didn't often have opportunity to fornicate and they wouldn't really have a need. Girls were also under pressure to marry young and while most are in their prime. However, when men were all away at war, I heard many would engage in female bisexuality if necessary. I imagine such behavior is preferable to girls cheating.

Not all women would be loyal if their husbands are away 1-2 years in a battle or sometimes longer. Female bisexuality is obviously better than females commiting adultery with a male.

I'm mostly applying the ancient concept that I heard about to modern times. It's much more preferable in 2023 that if a girl is going to have sex, she has sex with other girls because it's worse if a girl has sex with guys.

The average age of marriage in the Ancient world was 20-21, not 14. Also you didn’t specify which culture you heard about this pertaining to because I’ve never heard of any culture doing that.

Girls would marry early in their teens, not 20-21. I know all about the ancient world and marriages weren't as high as you claim for girls. Anyone who is saying it was 20-21 is taking the average age of males and averaging it with females to increase it higher. It's a common tactic to try to make it seem like girls were marrying older and a way to justify modern feminism and allowing modern sluts to look better marrying at unnatural older ages by saying that in history it was also common for girls to marry at older ages. Toxic modern politics and Jew propaganda has infiltrated most modern fields, along with Jew trickery especially manipulating history and information. I've shared some of my links at the bottom. If you haven't heard about girls marrying at 14, then you must not have specifically read content about girls marrying young in the ancient world.

Also, because the Anglos and Jews want to make current modern marriages to washed up sluts seem normal. Jews actively use trickery to spread disinformation by manipulating historical facts and Anglos are complicit because they would rather label something as pedophilia instead of admit that their women-worshipping Anglo Culture is a disgrace when it comes to marriage, oppresses men, and is infected after centuries of stealth Jewish brainwashing.

If a girl in the ancient world wasn't a virgin, she would lose her status and almost all her marriage prospects, especially all the better ones. Maybe only slaves would commonly need to settle for a deflowered slut because slave girls could be used by their masters until the master was bored or found a new plaything or decided he didn't want sex with the slave girl anymore, so he would just let her have a relationship with one of the male slaves if he had any. Male slaves would accept whatever regardless because it was whatever their master would give them.

A fact of the ancient world was that girls must marry young and their husband should take their virginity. Those are some of the traditional features of marriage.

Average age of marriage in the Ancient World (read the links):
Females: 14
Males 26

14+26=40
40/2=20 That's the 20-21 you mention.

Ancient Rome
https://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/empire/weddings.html

Ancient China
https://keatschinese.com/china-culture- ... riage-age/
https://daydaynews.cc/en/history/1075251.html

Ancient Egypt
https://www.wondriumdaily.com/marriage- ... %20witness.

Ancient Greece
https://www.historyforkids.net/ancient- ... dings.html
https://factsanddetails.com/world/cat56 ... m2024.html

I can share more links if you want more sources.

[Pixel--Dude]

I have never heard anything about these Ancient cultures you are mentioning having girls have sex with each other to stay virgins. Which Ancient culture are you talking about? Because in Rome, Greece, China, and all the Mesopotamian cultures, female on female sex was practically unheard of for them. Pretty much every time in history up until now, homosexual behavior has primarily been a male thing.

Even if female bisexuality is normal doesn’t mean they should do it. Every time guys give into these porno-style fantasies and try to replicate it in real life, society gets worse. Women are a reflection of society’s men. The majority of men in our country now cannot stop being degenerates so now our women are degenerates too… Following men’s example, and society is falling apart because of it.

That's because girls in the ancient world were often married by age 14 so they didn't often have opportunity to fornicate and they wouldn't really have a need. Girls were also under pressure to marry young and while most are in their prime. However, when men were all away at war, I heard many would engage in female bisexuality if necessary. I imagine such behavior is preferable to girls cheating.

Not all women would be loyal if their husbands are away 1-2 years in a battle or sometimes longer. Female bisexuality is obviously better than females commiting adultery with a male.

I'm mostly applying the ancient concept that I heard about to modern times. It's much more preferable in 2023 that if a girl is going to have sex, she has sex with other girls because it's worse if a girl has sex with guys.

The average age of marriage in the Ancient world was 20-21, not 14. Also you didn’t specify which culture you heard about this pertaining to because I’ve never heard of any culture doing that.

Girls would marry early in their teens, not 20-21. I know all about the ancient world and marriages weren't as high as you claim for girls. Anyone who is saying it was 20-21 is taking the average age of males and averaging it with females to increase it higher. It's a common tactic to try to make it seem like girls were marrying older and a way to justify modern feminism and allowing modern sluts to look better marrying at unnatural older ages by saying that in history it was also common for girls to marry at older ages. Toxic modern politics and Jew propaganda has infiltrated most modern fields, along with Jew trickery especially manipulating history and information. I've shared some of my links at the bottom. If you haven't heard about girls marrying at 14, then you must not have specifically read content about girls marrying young in the ancient world.

Also, because the Anglos and Jews want to make current modern marriages to washed up sluts seem normal. Jews actively use trickery to spread disinformation by manipulating historical facts and Anglos are complicit because they would rather label something as pedophilia instead of admit that their women-worshipping Anglo Culture is a disgrace when it comes to marriage, oppresses men, and is infected after centuries of stealth Jewish brainwashing.

If a girl in the ancient world wasn't a virgin, she would lose her status and almost all her marriage prospects, especially all the better ones. Maybe only slaves would commonly need to settle for a deflowered slut because slave girls could be used by their masters until the master was bored or found a new plaything or decided he didn't want sex with the slave girl anymore, so he would just let her have a relationship with one of the male slaves if he had any. Male slaves would accept whatever regardless because it was whatever their master would give them.

A fact of the ancient world was that girls must marry young and their husband should take their virginity. Those are some of the traditional features of marriage.

Average age of marriage in the Ancient World (read the links):
Females: 14
Males 26

14+26=40
40/2=20 That's the 20-21 you mention.

Ancient Rome
https://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/empire/weddings.html

Ancient China
https://keatschinese.com/china-culture- ... riage-age/
https://daydaynews.cc/en/history/1075251.html

Ancient Egypt
https://www.wondriumdaily.com/marriage- ... %20witness.

Ancient Greece
https://www.historyforkids.net/ancient- ... dings.html
https://factsanddetails.com/world/cat56 ... m2024.html

I can share more links if you want more sources.

thought this guy was supposed to be the history expert.

[Outcast9428]

I have never heard anything about these Ancient cultures you are mentioning having girls have sex with each other to stay virgins. Which Ancient culture are you talking about? Because in Rome, Greece, China, and all the Mesopotamian cultures, female on female sex was practically unheard of for them. Pretty much every time in history up until now, homosexual behavior has primarily been a male thing.

Even if female bisexuality is normal doesn’t mean they should do it. Every time guys give into these porno-style fantasies and try to replicate it in real life, society gets worse. Women are a reflection of society’s men. The majority of men in our country now cannot stop being degenerates so now our women are degenerates too… Following men’s example, and society is falling apart because of it.

That's because girls in the ancient world were often married by age 14 so they didn't often have opportunity to fornicate and they wouldn't really have a need. Girls were also under pressure to marry young and while most are in their prime. However, when men were all away at war, I heard many would engage in female bisexuality if necessary. I imagine such behavior is preferable to girls cheating.

Not all women would be loyal if their husbands are away 1-2 years in a battle or sometimes longer. Female bisexuality is obviously better than females commiting adultery with a male.

I'm mostly applying the ancient concept that I heard about to modern times. It's much more preferable in 2023 that if a girl is going to have sex, she has sex with other girls because it's worse if a girl has sex with guys.

The average age of marriage in the Ancient world was 20-21, not 14. Also you didn’t specify which culture you heard about this pertaining to because I’ve never heard of any culture doing that.

Girls would marry early in their teens, not 20-21. I know all about the ancient world and marriages weren't as high as you claim for girls. Anyone who is saying it was 20-21 is taking the average age of males and averaging it with females to increase it higher. It's a common tactic to try to make it seem like girls were marrying older and a way to justify modern feminism and allowing modern sluts to look better marrying at unnatural older ages by saying that in history it was also common for girls to marry at older ages. Toxic modern politics and Jew propaganda has infiltrated most modern fields, along with Jew trickery especially manipulating history and information. I've shared some of my links at the bottom. If you haven't heard about girls marrying at 14, then you must not have specifically read content about girls marrying young in the ancient world.

Also, because the Anglos and Jews want to make current modern marriages to washed up sluts seem normal. Jews actively use trickery to spread disinformation by manipulating historical facts and Anglos are complicit because they would rather label something as pedophilia instead of admit that their women-worshipping Anglo Culture is a disgrace when it comes to marriage, oppresses men, and is infected after centuries of stealth Jewish brainwashing.

If a girl in the ancient world wasn't a virgin, she would lose her status and almost all her marriage prospects, especially all the better ones. Maybe only slaves would commonly need to settle for a deflowered slut because slave girls could be used by their masters until the master was bored or found a new plaything or decided he didn't want sex with the slave girl anymore, so he would just let her have a relationship with one of the male slaves if he had any. Male slaves would accept whatever regardless because it was whatever their master would give them.

A fact of the ancient world was that girls must marry young and their husband should take their virginity. Those are some of the traditional features of marriage.

Average age of marriage in the Ancient World (read the links):
Females: 14
Males 26

14+26=40
40/2=20 That's the 20-21 you mention.

Ancient Rome
https://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/empire/weddings.html

Ancient China
https://keatschinese.com/china-culture- ... riage-age/
https://daydaynews.cc/en/history/1075251.html

Ancient Egypt
https://www.wondriumdaily.com/marriage- ... %20witness.

Ancient Greece
https://www.historyforkids.net/ancient- ... dings.html
https://factsanddetails.com/world/cat56 ... m2024.html

I can share more links if you want more sources.

Your sources are talking about aristocratic women from these various societies. Girls from wealthy families did marry earlier because they were well fed and reached puberty at an age similar to when modern women reach puberty. It is a well known fact among people who study history that most historical documents which talk about life in Ancient societies (BC era societies basically) are mostly just referring to the wealthy people in these societies because classism was really extreme back then and many Ancient historians did not bother documenting the lives of ordinary people. Historical documents showing the layout of houses in Ancient Rome for example basically describe large mansions. In order to get more information about the lower classes in Ancient societies, you pretty much have to turn to archaeology where you can actually find the physical remains of structures, objects, as well as human skeletons. Archaeological findings usually found that homes for the peasants in Ancient Rome for example were basically one giant room that the entire family slept in which is very different from what historical documents written by Roman historians describe as their homes. Additionally, a lot of emperors who were demonized in Roman history may not have been that bad given that the interests of the wealthy were often directly at odds with the interests of the lower classes. Emperors who were popular with the lower classes would have been unpopular with the elites.

Average peasant women could not have possibly been marrying at ages like 14 because most women hadn't even reached puberty in many cases until they were 18 years old. This is the result of very widespread problems with malnutrition in the Ancient world which have a strong effect on delaying puberty. One doesn't even need to go far back into history to find that people reached puberty quite a bit latter. In Norway, for girls born in 1840, the average girl did not have her first period until she was 17 years old. In France, for the same year, it was 15.3 years old, for England, it was 16.5 years old. In the mid 1700s, most people were not reaching puberty until they were approximately 18 years old.

Archaeological studies done on Medieval skeletons have found tremendous variation in the ages at which people reached puberty depending on what the conditions were in the time and place. For example, some girls reached puberty at completely normal ages, basically having their first period between 10-12 years old. This happened in areas and times when there was prosperity and food was plentiful. In more severe conditions, however, such as in London... 26% of 25 year old skeletons, had still not completed puberty. People can eat just enough to keep themselves alive for awhile but can't eat enough to grow to become reproductively capable.

Part of how we can tell how good living conditions were at a certain time period is simply by measuring what age people were reaching puberty. Which has proven that the 18th and 19th centuries actually had a decrease in living conditions compared to the Medieval era, on average that is. This is because the wealth accumulated in the 18th and 19th centuries mostly all went to the top of society and did not start moving to the lower classes until the 20th century.

Even if you simply go back to 1960 though, the average male and female reached puberty about two years later in the US compared to today.

The following source claims that the typical ages for marriage regarding lower class women in Ancient Rome would have been late teens and early 20s. Probably because that's when they were reaching puberty.

Judith P. Hallett, Fathers and Daughters in Roman Society: Women and the Elite Family (Princeton University Press, 1984), pg 142.

Malnutrition was extremely widespread in the Ancient world and studies find that the majority of the population was malnourished. For example, this archaelogical study found that 70% of skeletons they found from Ancient Egypt had signs of malnutrition... https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ancient-egypt ... ay-1602859

https://phys.org/news/2013-03-governors ... dying.html

https://www.livescience.com/27941-egypt ... -work.html

The researchers' conclusions: Life was hard at Amarna. The children had stunted growth, and many of the bones were porous due to nutritional deficiency, probably because the commoners lived on a diet of mostly bread and beer, Stevens told LiveScience.

More than three-quarters of the adults had degenerative joint disease, likely from hauling heavy loads, and about two-thirds of these adults had at least one broken bone.

"This is a fabulous study because it is a big population from a known site, and we have all these bodies from people who are relatively lower class," said Salima Ikram, an Egyptologist at American University in Cairo, who was not involved in the study.

Conditions such as I've described were not unique to Ancient Egypt. In Ancient China during the Warring States Period, famine was a regular part of life as a result of armies frequently employing scorched earth tactics. During the Warring States period in which the 7 states of China fought amongst each other for about 250 years... 300 separate wars were fought. Moments of peace in this time period were short lived and there was rarely any time for prosperity to be built before the land got ravaged by enemy armies. Keep in mind the Warring States period was a state of complete, total war. Killing civilians directly and indirectly was the norm as each side was literally trying to destroy the enemy nation entirely so the era felt like a giant war for survival. Bai Qi for example, in order to take over the capital city of the kingdom of Chu, unleashed a flood that drowned 100,000 civilians. At the battle of Changping, he also had 400,000 soldiers buried alive.

When war becomes this desperate enemy armies will frequently burn crops, intentionally attempting to create famine. Between 108 BC to 1911 AD, there were 1,828 recorded famines in China's history. Basically, famine occurred in some area of the country almost every year... And this was after the Warring States period ended. Meaning that even during times of relative prosperity, they still couldn't stop famines from occurring. This is because technology in the Ancient world simply couldn't reliably bring in a good harvest every year. But during times of war this would've been especially difficult.

In Ancient Rome, 25% of the population at any given time was completely destitute. Destitution happened typically because the father of the household died somehow and it usually resulted in the entire family eventually starving to death or dying of disease because they could not make enough wages to survive anymore. The malnutrition was bad enough in Ancient Rome that the average man was only 5"6 compared to Medieval Europe where the average height for men was about 5"8.

Books about life in Ancient Rome I'd recommend reading...

https://www.amazon.com/Infamy-Ancient-D ... 1781253854

https://www.amazon.com/Popular-Culture- ... C76&sr=1-1

Given the conditions I described in Ancient Egypt, Ancient China and Rome. The likelihood of girls getting married, on average, in their teenage years is extraordinarily low. Although I do imagine they would've gotten married very quickly after getting their first period, the chances are in most of these Ancient societies, given how bad the malnutrition problem was in Ancient societies, not even just during wartime but often during peaceful periods as well, they wouldn't have been reaching puberty until they were at least 18 if not quite a bit older.

[Outcast9428]

@Tsar

You're not going to get what you want in life until you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. Idolizing dysfunctional Pagan societies along with threads like these that essentially support degenerate behavior is likely a major reason why God has not brought a girl to you. If you continue to deny God and refuse to accept the path he has laid out for you, then you are only creating a hell for yourself. Right-wing values do not work without a Christian framework for the exact same reason why atheists and neopagans don't want to accept Christianity... Because Christianity is the most moralistic religion in the world.

Pagan societies were not moralistic... They were constantly at war, they casually committed horrifying atrocities against civilians, rape during wartime was normal, entire cities were slaughtered, surrendering soldiers were often beheaded, buried alive, or drowned, infanticide was common, the streets of cities were unwalkable at night because of how insanely full of crime they were.

Jeremiah Johnston perfectly documents how Christianity changed the world in his book... Unimaginable: What Our World Would Look Like Without Christianity... https://www.amazon.com/Unimaginable-Wor ... 0764230816

Another thing he points out, which I have suspected for awhile, is that you can always trace the source of people's disdain for Christianity to a desire to be sexual degenerates. People dislike Christianity because of its emphasis on sexual morality. People who dislike Christianity are pretty much always looking for some ideology/religion that doesn't make them follow those rules. And often in the notes of people who famously disliked Christianity, you find that they always write about their frustration regarding Christianity's sexual moralism.

[Outcast9428]

Pagan societies were not moralistic... They were constantly at war, they casually committed horrifying atrocities against civilians, rape during wartime was normal, entire cities were slaughtered, surrendering soldiers were often beheaded, buried alive, or drowned, infanticide was common, the streets of cities were unwalkable at night because of how insanely full of crime they were.

Honestly, medieval Europe was pretty much exactly like that, even with the Christianity. The crusaders raped, pillaged and misbehaved every bit as terribly as the Muslims wherever they went. Idolaters or "witches" were burned, tortured to death, and belonging to the 'wrong' type of Church could lead to your brutal murder. The days of the Romans were brutal, but so was Christianity, for the longest time. Things didn't become more peaceful until fairly recently, as a matter of fact. Much of human history was largely lawless, people got away with horrible atrocities, often in the name of Christ or God, in fact, using their faith as a shield to hide behind.

This chart documents violent deaths occurring from every war that has happened since 1400 AD. The recent era is not the most peaceful time of our history.



The Crusades was a unique situation in Medieval Europe. Such behavior happened in the First Crusade because they were forced to recruit murderers and a lot of former criminals because they couldn't build a large enough army to invade the holy land with. Even after what they did, the First Crusade barely succeeded. And no crusade after the first one succeeded because they were much smaller in size. The Medieval church specifically sought to ban war atrocities. Massacring cities and committing mass rapes was not an acceptable practice during Medieval warfare. Did it happen anyway? Yes. Because that's how war is. But the scope of which it occurred reduced dramatically.

Yes, there were witch burnings, but they happened in a much more specific time period and did not kill nearly as many people as most people believe. About 50,000-60,000 witches got burned over the course of three centuries. By contrast, the people in Tanzania alone have burned 60,000 witches since the year 1960. There are many other countries in Africa that still burn witches. Yet nobody talks about that because every time Christians do something bad, it is remembered and repeated ad-nausieum centuries later. This standard doesn't apply to any other civilization who's casual atrocities are routinely swept under the rug.

[Pixel--Dude]

@Tsar

Ignore the tubthumping wally Christian. I'm Pagan and I've found myself my perfect girlfriend. You'll get what you want eventually, but don't depend on a fictional old man in the sky to get it for you. It makes me laugh when Christians attribute good fortune to God. Yet people dying of disease all over the world and starvation is conveniently ignored. That's how stupid and solipsistic some of these Christians are.

Plus you have had spiritual experiences with psilocybin spirituality has an empirical basis, which you yourself have experienced, Christianity and the Bible do not.

Back to the topic at hand, I think bisexual behaviour in females is probably a natural psychological phenomenon and has been a constant throughout history (in spite of what the self proclaimed "Herodotus" claims)

Most women I know have had bisexual tendencies and a curiosity about exploring sexuality with another female. This doesn't make them immoral degenerates. If they are not hurting anyone else then I don't see what the problem is.

I don't claim to know the reason why this is, perhaps because aesthetic beauty plays a part in it. Let's be honest, the female form is f***ing beautiful and apparently women know it too! Or perhaps some people are just more adventurous and curious about exploring other things. Who knows. Either way, girl on girl action is hot.

[Pixel--Dude]

Ignore the tubthumping wally Christian. I'm Pagan and I've found myself my perfect girlfriend. You'll get what you want eventually, but don't depend on a fictional old man in the sky to get it for you. It makes me laugh when Christians attribute good fortune to God. Yet people dying of disease all over the world and starvation is conveniently ignored. That's how stupid and solipsistic some of these Christians are.

@Pixel--Dude

Johan Cruyff, one of the best football players ever, went to Spain to play in their competition. They asked him why he didn't believe in God. He said: "Here in Spain, all the players on both sides make the sign of the cross and pray before a match to win. If there was a God, every match would be a draw."

Lol! it's true! Especially if God worked in that way. I just find it annoying when Christians tubthump about how believing in God got them a girlfriend etc. Like they are such a pious Christian and beacon of morality that God personally saw to it they get what they want while ignoring millions of people suffering because what? They're not praying hard enough? it's so f***ing stupid.

[Cornfed]

Like if God was real, and He was Almighty, All-Knowing, powerful, the creator of all that is... why be so petty? It makes no sense. "Oh no, these people worship a Golden Calf instead of me, how wicked! Better genocide 'em all!" It's ridiculous

If people worship silly things of their own contrivance it will affect their behavior for the worse and if their bad behavior becomes ingrained then the tree of life needs to be pruned. The OT meets people where it finds them and describes God as a desert patriarch because that is something that people would have understood. You needed the influence of Greek philosophy to get to the concept of an Almighty.

[Cornfed]

Lesbianism would be useful in harem conditions or jungle-type environments where females would live separately and be impregnated when strong and determined men raped them or whatever. I don't see any reason to generally encourage it.