Aesthetics Are A Moral Imperative

[Lucas88]

Kant characterised the interest in beauty as "moral" because it derives from moral interest in practical ends. As such, an interest in beauty indicates a person's predisposition to a good moral disposition. A theory in which I agree.

While I dislike Kant's moral philosophy overall, I agree that a strong appreciation for beauty is indicative of a high level of consciousness.

Metaphysically I'm of the view that all parts of reality "vibrate" on a scale of frequencies from the lowest and most chaotic all the way to the highest and most ordered. The lower frequencies of vibration inform the negative and ugly side of the Creation's duality while the higher frequencies inform the positive and beautiful side. Everything vibrates at its own frequency somewhere along this scale whether it be a person's individual consciousness, a thought, an emotion, an activity, or a created work. High-vibrational people gravitate towards thoughts, activities and creations at frequencies at the higher end of the scale which result in edification (good will, noble thoughts, pursuit of wisdom and beauty, etc.) while low-vibrational people are naturally attracted to frequencies of the lower end which result in entropy and destruction (vices, addictions, hostility, indecency, anti-aesthetics, etc.). All of this works through a system of soul resonance.

The same applies to the realm of art and aesthetics.

Those whose consciousness vibrates at a higher frequency will always have a natural affinity to truly beautiful forms of art characterized by incredible harmony and a high level of rational order. They'll most likely be drawn to classical masterpieces such as the sublime art of the Renaissance. Their musical preferences will be dominated by genres full of harmony and euphony of sound.

Those whose consciousness vibrates at a lower frequency on the other hand will often be drawn to much uglier forms of art and culture characterized by disharmony, distortion, disorder and vulgarity. They tend to prefer much baser artworks, genres of music full of discordant sounds and negative emotions, and unsightly styles of architecture. In the more extreme cases low-vibrational people will be in favor of anti-art and anti-aesthetics which mock true beauty and celebrate ugliness as is the case with the postmodern movement. This is the point where we see a flipped urinal or a turd in a jar being promoted as "art" by sick, ugly, perverse human beings.

I believe that the subversion of true art and beauty and the promotion of anti-art and anti-aesthetics was all done by design. Certain elements of the (((global elite))) which finance art and control the market decided at the beginning of the 20th century that they were going to destroy true art and promote ugliness. Such people are ugly demonic individuals themselves. They wish to recreate the whole of civilization in their own image and drag everybody down to their own frequency of absolute perversion. Art and popular culture have been their principal medium. Through certain planned movements and cultural phenomena they have managed to gradually reduce the frequency of our habitats and make the world much more demonic.

Miles Mathis has some good in-depth articles about how the elites intentionally subverted art and popular culture. You can check them out on his website: http://mileswmathis.com/updates.html

[gsjackson]

Agree with the OP, and believe that ugliness is a big part of the plan to subvert the social order and take control. It's just astounding to me how much uglier in general people have gotten over the past 40 years -- to put it bluntly. Roger Scruton's work (recently gone to his reward) might be worth a look for those interested in the philosophy of beauty. He was the leading name in that niche in the anglo world.

[Lucas88]

Agree with the OP, and believe that ugliness is a big part of the plan to subvert the social order and take control. It's just astounding to me how much uglier in general people have gotten over the past 40 years -- to put it bluntly. Roger Scruton's work (recently gone to his reward) might be worth a look for those interested in the philosophy of beauty. He was the leading name in that niche in the anglo world.

Ugliness is definitely part of the plan to subvert the social order. Modern capitalist nations since the beginning of the 20th century have promoted the most drab styles of architecture. At the same time the USSR developed its own "artistic" style of socialist realism and sought to vilify any remnant of classical form. I believe that this all serves a specific purpose on an occult level. Such soulless architecture with its drab appearance and its greyish monotone is intended to disconnect us from all natural joy and humanity and instead connect us to an inhuman, robotic, dystopian industrialism focused solely on production, consumption and the exchange of commodities. The plan involves the negative engineering of human behavior through immersion within lower aesthetic frequencies.

I've come across some of Roger Scruton's work in the past but I didn't know that he had written extensively on aesthetics and beauty. Aesthetics is a topic which interests me greatly. What books or essays of Roger Scruton on beauty can you recommend, @gsjackson? I'd love to check them out. Also are there any interesting works on aesthetics and beauty that you can recommend from other philosophical traditions such as the German one? I've read Schopenhauer's ideas on art but I don't like his pessimism. I particularly admire German philosophy for its depth. Thanks.

[WilliamSmith]

Aesthetic beauty is one of the most important traditional values, something vastly undervalued in modern society since the emergence of post modern art. Post modern art is nothing but a perverse mockery of beauty and seeks to elevate its own value to the same standard as truly masterful works of art which meet the highest standard of aesthetic beauty.

Wow, fantastic thread! While some elements of beauty are "in the eye of the beholder," I agree with this strongly, and join @gsjackson in thank you for your thoughts, gentlemen.

Let me kick it off with Albert Bierstadt's "Among the Sierra Nevada Mountains" c. 1868:



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[WilliamSmith]

I want to share some artwork from the Renaissance period into this group but I want them to appear as images rather than a link. Can anyone help with this? @Winston or @jamesbond? I go on Google images, share the link and select the image icon on the panel, but it still comes up as a link or a failed image. Since you're both tagged, what do you think to this discussion and the theory that aesthetic appreciation for true beauty denotes high level of morality within a person?

@Pixel--Dude

I personally lazily use this same https://imgbb.com/ when I make an embedded image post. You don't need an account with them at all, just go to their site, click the big blue button to upload a pic, then in the dropdown menu after it uploades (called "Embed Codes"), select "BBCode full linked" and you'll get something like this but without the asterisks **[**url=https://ibb.co/hsCWFSm][**img]https://i.ibb.co/6YNP0kW/Albert-Biersta ... s-1866.jpg[/img**][/url**]

...which pasted in to a post without those extra "" marks does this:



The risk, obviously, is that if jews noticing us doing this on one particular platform, they'll get the tribe together to specifically eliminate all our posts on one platform, so it might be good to look at other image hosting platforms that do the same thing, in order to "diversify" our risk a bit.
But that's life for those of us who actually have the balls to fight the eternal war against their vile tribe, which is to blame for this so-called "postmodern" total war on truth and beauty worldwide.

Also, I save my stuff to an offline hard drive anyway so if they have it all taken down I vow to put all of it back up as long as this site is online, and if this one gets taken down I vow to give them 10x worse hell both offline and online in any way I can, both for as long as I can still draw breath, and as long as I can keep up my assault on them from after the grave as well.

[galii]

Depends what you desribe as asthetics but probably it is just another algorithm. For example we do like symmetry which is just another evolutional program.

[galii]

Depends what you desribe as asthetics but probably it is just another algorithm. For example we do like symmetry which is just another evolutional program.

What I would describe as aesthetic beauty is not relative. There is objective standards of beauty and anyone who appreciates that standard of beauty is moral. Anyone who does not is a degenerate. That's just how it is.

Just like how flat earth just is, right?

[galii]

Depends what you desribe as asthetics but probably it is just another algorithm. For example we do like symmetry which is just another evolutional program.

What I would describe as aesthetic beauty is not relative. There is objective standards of beauty and anyone who appreciates that standard of beauty is moral. Anyone who does not is a degenerate. That's just how it is.

Just like how flat earth just is, right?

This thread has nothing to do with flat earth. Try to stay on topic, if you can concentrate for that long.

Besides, I never said I am a flat earther. I simply acknowledged that it could be true. Not that i expect simple minded individuals to accept anything other than what they're told by the mainstream.

You might want to go start a thread about teletubbies or something, @Galii this thread is for big boys.

I mean friends of flat earthers are flat earthers too somehow
No you are not a big boy you have to put in the years to get life experience. You have to be humble. Accept that you and we are just monkeys. That is why it took us 10k years to build planes and that with a lot of luck. It is natural that monkeys hate science because it is HARD and COUNTERINTUITIVE. Science is not the problem but our monkey brains if you weirdly looking for the truth.

[WilliamSmith]

I am low on data (Scotch heritage penny pincher) but will get back to you on this with lots of pics as well as my comments:

Ancient Chinese art, architecture and aesthetic style absolutely blows me away, I am crazy about it! The way they use brilliant intricate architecture, and use a hypnotic approach to build those amazing heavily laquered interiors and atmospheric lighting is also amazing. The Cantonese built tons of amazing things all over the place in their diaspora as well as on their own turf, but there's some exceptionally great stuff in Vietnam (which has its own interesting artistic traditions too mixing native, Chinese, and even French/European influences, as well as some from the old Khmer kingdoms they would brawl with in some older periods of history, as well as continuously brawling with the Chinese). But they mostly embraced Chinese aesthetic influences despite their fierce sense of distinct national identity and tradition of refusing to willingly just become vassals of China.

Traditional Japanese art is really cool, and they have some elements that are all their own, but what I like best in aesthetics still tends to be primarily an offshoot of embracing the Chinese styles. In music it is actually very much an exception: I like Chinese ancient/classical traditional music which is more sentimental a lot of times (sometimes gets zany), but Japanese traditional music (gagaku, shinto music, for example) is totally a creature of its own and unbelievably atmospheric and appealing. Their sense of integrating Shinto traditions in the beautiful natural environments they have there combined with the otherworldly nature of their music impresses me.

Anyway, of those Western styles, I personally only like realism or very ancient stuff, I can't stand any of it when it gets into abstraction and deliberate ugliness.

I mostly dislike Western art even though I acknowledge the amazing skill of realist painters and some European architecture (though can't say I'm too crazy about it except some very Germanic "gothic" looking stuff here and there).

The Western stuff I like:

Albert Bierstadt, a real legend. He influenced a lot of others in the amazing way he used lighting as well as being a masterful landscape painter.

There were some others from that optimistic late 1800s period with very nice skill, which was appreciated at that point before it all went to shit from degenerate art and abstraction being promoted as all the rage. Thomas Cole was kinda whacky yet had similarly strong skill.

Gustave Dore, an illustrator who actually worked in woodcuts, an astounding feat considering he's be one the very best. He also paints too.

There's some other good names in there I'm not thinking of off the top of my head, but it'll be a fun topic to return to.

Later on almost everything I ever see in "serious" art is a bunch of crap (I'm sure there's exceptions, but never saw too many), but people with more talent ended up in popular entertainment rather than the art scene:
I like what some vintage retro RPG artists did where they brought in a more "gothic" style, which was used quite a bit in stuff like 80's popular entertainment, and stayed pretty good up into the mid-1990s when aesthetic styles all started going down the tubes and lost their edge for the most part.

[Outcast9428]

@Pixel--Dude

I agree that aesthetics are a moral imperative. It goes beyond the obvious with art and architecture though. Two things I really can’t stand are graffiti and tattoos. Graffiti immediately makes a neighborhood ugly and threatening and tattoos are basically graffiti for the human body.

I don’t care what anybody says, if somebody gets tattoos I consider them to be closer to the criminal world. They may not be a murderer or a gang member but I consider them to be more likely to assault me for whatever reason or commit vandalism/petty theft and if I was hiring people I’d consider them more likely to be a troublemaker.

The more tattoos and the larger and more prominent they are on someone, the more sketchy of a person I consider them to be. And I see people like this going “f**k those evangelicals for judging us!” Yeah f**k us for not liking it when everybody looks like trash because they’ve scribbled graffiti all over their bodies.

And neighborhoods with graffiti are a telltale sign that it’s full of criminals. That’s why you only see graffiti in cities because that’s where all the criminals are. You won’t see graffiti in a normal suburb full of families.

Tattoos and graffiti are disgusting and I automatically consider a country to be higher value and more advanced as a civilization when they don’t tolerate them. It’s yet another reason why I love Asians.

[WilliamSmith]

@Pixel--Dude
Yes, those are beautiful examples! That old primarily Chinese-inspired style is incredible.
I'm still not going to have much time yet because of leaving again soon, but I had better throw in some good stuff in the next few days showing the mind-blowingly beautiful architecture the Cantonese have built all over the world. Some of my favorite examples are in Vietnam.

[Outcast9428]

@Pixel--Dude

I agree that aesthetics are a moral imperative. It goes beyond the obvious with art and architecture though. Two things I really can’t stand are graffiti and tattoos. Graffiti immediately makes a neighborhood ugly and threatening and tattoos are basically graffiti for the human body.

I don’t care what anybody says, if somebody gets tattoos I consider them to be closer to the criminal world. They may not be a murderer or a gang member but I consider them to be more likely to assault me for whatever reason or commit vandalism/petty theft and if I was hiring people I’d consider them more likely to be a troublemaker.

The more tattoos and the larger and more prominent they are on someone, the more sketchy of a person I consider them to be. And I see people like this going “f**k those evangelicals for judging us!” Yeah f**k us for not liking it when everybody looks like trash because they’ve scribbled graffiti all over their bodies.

And neighborhoods with graffiti are a telltale sign that it’s full of criminals. That’s why you only see graffiti in cities because that’s where all the criminals are. You won’t see graffiti in a normal suburb full of families.

Tattoos and graffiti are disgusting and I automatically consider a country to be higher value and more advanced as a civilization when they don’t tolerate them. It’s yet another reason why I love Asians.

Hey @Outcast9428 sorry it took so long to get back to you on this. I was preoccupied in the Appeal For Tsar's Ban thread which went on for several pages and got very heated, as you probably saw.

I agree with you about graffiti, I think it is inspired by an art style called Pop Art. Andy Worhol is supposedly a famous artist who used the Pop Art style, then there is obviously Banksy as well. I don't think street art is always a bad thing, but I think it is best as a temporary art piece rather than permanent slogans spray painted on the side of buildings etc.

I don't know if you've ever seen this kind of realistic street art which I think is pretty cool, but again only if it is a temporary feature and as long as it is approved previously. I think that is the difference between street art and graffiti.

Here are some images to demonstrate what I perceive to be the difference between art and vandalism in terms of street art.











It can't be denied that these are really talented works of art. I don't know if they are permanent or temporary, but they are really good pieces of art. As opposed to the following which I see as vandalism rather than art.







I plan to extend this thread further at a later time to cover the aesthetics of human beauty and cover things like cosmetics and plastic surgery and natural beauty, again I plan on pointing out how certain standards of beauty are objective rather than subjective and this is true of both art and human beauty.

@Pixel--Dude
Yes, those are beautiful examples! That old primarily Chinese-inspired style is incredible.
I'm still not going to have much time yet because of leaving again soon, but I had better throw in some good stuff in the next few days showing the mind-blowingly beautiful architecture the Cantonese have built all over the world. Some of my favorite examples are in Vietnam.

I can honestly see the appeal, dude. The ancient Chinese art style has its own charm and definitely reaches the standard of objective aesthetic beauty. Your examples of architecture will be most welcome, my friend! Looking forward to it.

I agree that the street art images you posted are completely different from the graffiti. That actually has purpose and talent behind it whereas graffiti just looks like ugly scribbling all over the wall.

[galii]

Art is not a moral imperative. In Islam most art is probited because art produces a lot of weirdos.

[WilliamSmith]

@Pixel--Dude
Yes, those are beautiful examples! That old primarily Chinese-inspired style is incredible.
I'm still not going to have much time yet because of leaving again soon, but I had better throw in some good stuff in the next few days showing the mind-blowingly beautiful architecture the Cantonese have built all over the world. Some of my favorite examples are in Vietnam.

I can honestly see the appeal, dude. The ancient Chinese art style has its own charm and definitely reaches the standard of objective aesthetic beauty. Your examples of architecture will be most welcome, my friend! Looking forward to it.

@Pixel--Dude Thanks man! I'll look for some of the even more legendary ancient Chinese and Cantonese ones (and Japanese variants) in a bit, but here's some of them from Vietnam where there's strong Chinese influence (and some places were even built directly by the Cantonese there) but also their own Vietnamese blend:

Thien Tru Heavenly Kitchen Pagoda:




I actually didn't get exactly where this was written down but I think it was at the Imperial Hue Citadel, but it's an awesome example of the aesthetics I'm so crazy about:


Bai Duong House of Ceremonies Altar of Confucius


Altar to the Trung Sisters (the two legendary warrior babes who led the rebellion and overthrew the first Chinese Imperial domination of Vietnam in the year 40 AD and ruled for a couple years, so are considered national heroines):


Ngo Mon Gate Citadel, very kick-ass macho artchitecture:






Some of the interior architecture at Ngo Mon:


Japan also has some seriously studly castles they built up in ways of their own with strong Chinese influence.

How to make your Tang dynasty architecture more metal, LOL:

Osaka Castle:


Plus now it's surrounded in impressive cyberpunk skyline surroundings, looks awesome:

[WilliamSmith]

Thanks for sharing these @WilliamSmith they are pretty cool. I particularly like the Ngo Mon Gate Citadel and Osaka Castle, although I think the background would be better looking with a forest and some mountains as opposed to a cityscape.

I've always felt drawn to traditional oriental architecture. I think maybe I had a past life in feudal Japan or something

Which kind of architecture do you prefer between modern architecture or ancient architecture? Have you seen this Hindu temple? I think I shared it in a different thread, though I can't remember where exactly it was.



Apparently it is called Ranganathaswamy Temple. I like it because of the colours and all the intricate and interesting designs. Here are some more images of the same temple.

@Pixel--Dude
You're most welcome sir, and thank you for that impressive Hindu architecture: I don't know anything about it yet, but that Ranganathaswamy Temple is an amazing structure.
India has never been on my expat list but it's such a fascinating culture I couldn't help picking up some books on it in my recent binge when I started researching expat stuff a few years ago so I can at least learn an overview of its ancient history. My eyes were also bulging when I was a boy and first read some of their ancient literature that sounded like it was describing flying craft and the use of nuclear weapons, yet another fascinating aspect to look into more sometime...
But just on the aesthetic side: Their ancient culture and architecture has had a large impact on a lot of the interesting South East Asian nations I like as well (and also a genetic impact you can probably see most clearly in certain countries like Cambodia, if I'm not mistaken), and you can see interesting Indian influences in both architecture and folklore and music in a lot of those. That tradition of the Naga people forming a sort of reptilian hidden ruling class is really interesting stuff, long before David Icke ever wove it into the fabric of his modern day materials.

As for ancient vs modern architecture, I typically prefer ancient in most places, but after dark the fully lit towering modern high-rise skyscrapers and nighttime skylines in some cities do have a very cool modern aesthetic appeal.
Hong Kong city lights at night spring to mind as a great example. I also like how Hong Kong blends modern architecture and towering high-rises along with the old-time Cantonese architecture, traditional Chinese fishing boats in the harbor, and the overall mix of ancient/traditional and modern aesthetics in the same impressive place. I will post some pics of that stuff later on when I come back here again.