Is Our Earth FLAT and Motionless, Not a Spinning Globe?

[gsjackson]

gsjackson,
You misunderstood me. I said the idea that the earth is round or a globe goes back to ancient greece. You can look that up on Wikipedia even. The idea of heliocentricity though, that the earth goes around the sun, is the concept that's relatively new and only goes back 400 years. You got those two mixed up.

How do you find out about the flat earth convention schedule? Is there a link that announces when and where it will be? If so can you post it?

Yeah I suspect the stars may be closer than they claim too. There are now many videos on YouTube where they zoom in on the stars and show them to be translucent and like plasma balls in water. Nothing like suns at all. See here for a list of many videos of stars being zoomed in.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... e+not+suns

Also, some of the videos show how stars can be created in a water tank, using sound waves. They've done it at UCLA already and have shown it on video. You can see clips of it at the videos above. This means that somehow, sound waves could be creating the stars above in the firmament, and the stars could be inside water above the dome firmament too, just as the Bible and many ancient texts say.

You're right, I misspoke. I think you're wrong that the globe earth was generally accepted in the West from the time of the ancient Greeks. See Dubay.

Interesting about the sound waves. I'm about to listen to a very strange Jewish woman in Israel who is saying something similar. She might know something.

Flat earth conference 2018:
http://fe2018.com/

[Winston]

gsjackson,
You misunderstood me. I said the idea that the earth is round or a globe goes back to ancient greece. You can look that up on Wikipedia even. The idea of heliocentricity though, that the earth goes around the sun, is the concept that's relatively new and only goes back 400 years. You got those two mixed up.

How do you find out about the flat earth convention schedule? Is there a link that announces when and where it will be? If so can you post it?

Yeah I suspect the stars may be closer than they claim too. There are now many videos on YouTube where they zoom in on the stars and show them to be translucent and like plasma balls in water. Nothing like suns at all. See here for a list of many videos of stars being zoomed in.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... e+not+suns

Also, some of the videos show how stars can be created in a water tank, using sound waves. They've done it at UCLA already and have shown it on video. You can see clips of it at the videos above. This means that somehow, sound waves could be creating the stars above in the firmament, and the stars could be inside water above the dome firmament too, just as the Bible and many ancient texts say.

You're right, I misspoke. I think you're wrong that the globe earth was generally accepted in the West from the time of the ancient Greeks. See Dubay.

Interesting about the sound waves. I'm about to listen to a very strange Jewish woman in Israel who is saying something similar. She might know something.

Flat earth conference 2018:
http://fe2018.com/

Dubay cherry picks a lot. I've seen his videos and presentations. Yes, some ancient cultures believed in flat earth with dome. But we are talking about ancient greece here. They believed the earth was a sphere. You can look it up on wikipedia. But that doesn't mean all ancient cultures believed the earth was a sphere too. Some didn't. Dubay cherry picks the ones that believed in the flat earth model with dome firmament. He doesn't tell you that ancient greece wasn't one of them. He cherry picks and so his views are not balanced, that's what most people do.

So every year the flat earth conference has to change their URL? That's stupid and inefficient. Why not have a URL that doesn't need to be changed every year?

What's the cost to attend the conference? Did they invite Dubay to be there too? Well he lives in Thailand so he may not be able to go anyway.

[Winston]

@gsjackson
Hey maybe we can go to the next flat earth conference together and meet some nice open minded freethinking new ageish type of girls there? lol. It would be fun and interesting. Such events definitely attract the most open minded types who are not afraid of what people think, and such types usually vibe best with us HAers and freethinkers. lol

Btw, I checked their site and the fee to get into the conference is $250. Dang. That's a bit more steep than I thought. Why did they pick such a luxurious hotel to hold the conference at?

http://fe2018.com/

Btw, if we go, we should check out the infamous Illuminati paintings at the Denver airport. lol. Maybe we can look for signs of a vast underground base there too, which has been alleged to exist under the Denver airport. lol

[gsjackson]

I'll be driving up from Tucson. Happy to pick you up at the airport and jitney around as needed, if I get there first. I believe I have spotted such women as you speak of, while youtubing around in the flat earth world, and would not be averse to meeting such a specimen. I'm so outside the U.S. mainstream now that completely unsocialized women are what I'm looking for.

Speaking of New Age and Denver, I have had quite a lot of synchronicity coincidences involving the car radio, some of them absolutely incredible. Back in the mid-90s, I decided that a sequence of them was telling me that I should go to Denver. So I went for a week. and nothing remarkable happened, unless it was on the last day, when I went to a Rockies game and saw an old teammate and fraternity brother who was scouting the game for the Twins. We had a few beers and his parting words to me were, "Remember, Great Expectations." He was recommending a dating service through which he had met his wife. I had no interest in the dating service, so decided to take the suggestion metaphorically, on the assumption that you get what you really expect. Never have quite mustered up the discipline to make those expectations great, though.

My friend's own great expectations were met 11 years down the road, when he became general manager of a major league team. But then the ugly real world intruded and he was fired two years later, unfairly I thought.

BTW, I'm thinking they sold the first conference out last year in Raleigh, so maybe best to make a decision as soon as possible. I need to wait another month or so to make sure I'm going to be in Tucson.

[Winston]

I'll be driving up from Tucson. Happy to pick you up at the airport and jitney around as needed, if I get there first. I believe I have spotted such women as you speak of, while youtubing around in the flat earth world, and would not be averse to meeting such a specimen. I'm so outside the U.S. mainstream now that completely unsocialized women are what I'm looking for.

Speaking of New Age and Denver, I have had quite a lot of synchronicity coincidences involving the car radio, some of them absolutely incredible. Back in the mid-90s, I decided that a sequence of them was telling me that I should go to Denver. So I went for a week. and nothing remarkable happened, unless it was on the last day, when I went to a Rockies game and saw an old teammate and fraternity brother who was scouting the game for the Twins. We had a few beers and his parting words to me were, "Remember, Great Expectations." He was recommending a dating service through which he had met his wife. I had no interest in the dating service, so decided to take the suggestion metaphorically, on the assumption that you get what you really expect. Never have quite mustered up the discipline to make those expectations great, though.

My friend's own great expectations were met 11 years down the road, when he became general manager of a major league team. But then the ugly real world intruded and he was fired two years later, unfairly I thought.

BTW, I'm thinking they sold the first conference out last year in Raleigh, so maybe best to make a decision as soon as possible. I need to wait another month or so to make sure I'm going to be in Tucson.

I've had a lot of synchronistic experiences too. Too bad some here do not believe in them. Nowadays they happen everyday. I could be reading the most obscure word, and the podcast I'm listening to utters the same word at the same time. That happens practically everyday, sometimes multiple times a day. Why didn't you try out the Great Expectations dating thing? I remember that was a service in the newspaper. You had to pay a hefty fee though for the matchmaking.

So you know what I mean about new age women. Yeah they are much nicer to talk to because they like to be on higher consciousness too.

If I come to the conference, I would be driving too, probably from Las Vegas. So you live in Tucson, AZ? What do you do there? Maybe on the way back from the conference, I could visit you in Tucson. Is there anything interesting to see there? I love deserts but it's very hot there, though dry heat isn't as bad as humid heat.

The flat earth conference fee is 250 dollars though. Why do they have to hold it at a high end hotel auditorium? Why not at a public library or university auditorium? That would be a lot cheaper to rent.

Plus we would have to find accommodations. I would probably stay at a Motel 6 or something like that. We could try hostels too, for a social atmosphere. The hotel it's at though, is probably very expensive to stay at.

So it's almost sold out? Holy cow. I didn't know it was that popular. If we held a HA conference, hardly anyone would show up. lol. Imagine that. The flat earth movement is way more popular than our HA movement. LOL. Go figure. We must be at the furthest end of the fringe movements. LOL

@Adama what state do you live in? Do you want to attend the conference too?

[Adama]

Just because they believe the earth is flat, it doesn't mean I want to interact or hang out with them. Besides that, I have much more interesting things to do, such as becoming extremely familiar with the King James Bible.

Probably all the interesting things that are discussed, or at least the meaty portions of them, will be posted on YT within a few days after anyhow.

[Adama]

Hey maybe we can go to the next flat earth conference together and meet some nice open minded freethinking new ageish type of girls there? lol. It would be fun and interesting. Such events definitely attract the most open minded types who are not afraid of what people think, and such types usually vibe best with us HAers and freethinkers. lol

But what for? For conversation? I meet people who I can have a conversation with all the time in Central Park. I met a Ukrainian girl the other day, and also a Russian woman from Moscow. Very interesting. I didn't hang out with them though. Also met a German girl last month.

[Adama]

In response to Adama's question to me:

I am thinking of another proof. The clouds. As far as you can see, whether there is a mountain in the way or not, the clouds are all perfectly even as far as you can see. The bottoms of the clouds are flat. There is some invisible barrier below which clouds can't go. I think the clouds are flat at the bottom and on an even level at the lowest level as far as we can see, because it is a mirror image of the ground. The ground beneath the clouds is relatively flat, and even the clouds are flat, despite having nothing visible which might shape them on the bottom to be flat, and nothing visible which would prevent them from being uneven with each other, and nothing visible beneath them which prevents them from sinking lower in the sky than they are.

The lower most level of clouds all hit a lower ceiling beneath which they can't penetrate, which makes them all flattened out, like pancake batter when it hits a pan. And this invisible lower ceiling for the clouds extends everywhere.

If the bottoms of the clouds are flat when there doesn't seem to be a reason why they should be, shouldn't the earth beneath it also be flat? Why not have a bunch of rocky, jagged, uneven, haphazard clouds, with one here and there, but no pancake batter flatness to the lower limit?

And since we can see with our eyes that there is a lower limit, what in the blazes could it be made up? What substance could stop and shape the clouds in the sky? While allowing air, planes, birds are the rest penetrate? How's that possible?

Well the ball earthers would say that you can't see the curvature from ground level or even from a plane. You have to go very high in space to see curvature. Because it's very gradual. Also on a plane I have seen some curvature on clouds before, but it's very slight. I took a photo of it too. You can see a slight curve or dip. I don't think it's due to the window being curved because when the plane is on the runway the ground level looks normal.

I've been studying both sides of the debate. Both have good arguments. So I don't think it's certain what the shape of the earth is. Both the globe and flat earth models have problems. And NASA refuses to take a real photo of earth from space to settle the issue. So we just don't know. See the Brazilian documentary I just posted in this thread above, where a team of scientists test for curvature. It's very interesting.

Some people are unable to perceive the real truth. But, they think they are walking in the light.

[Winston]

Just because they believe the earth is flat, it doesn't mean I want to interact or hang out with them. Besides that, I have much more interesting things to do, such as becoming extremely familiar with the King James Bible.

Probably all the interesting things that are discussed, or at least the meaty portions of them, will be posted on YT within a few days after anyhow.

Well wouldn't you wanna meet me and gsjackson? Geez.

[Winston]

Btw here are videos by flat earthers about how the sunset works over a flat earth model. What do you think? Are they valid explanations or are they flawed?

[Adama]

Just because they believe the earth is flat, it doesn't mean I want to interact or hang out with them. Besides that, I have much more interesting things to do, such as becoming extremely familiar with the King James Bible.

Probably all the interesting things that are discussed, or at least the meaty portions of them, will be posted on YT within a few days after anyhow.

Well wouldn't you wanna meet me and gsjackson? Geez.

Now that is a thought which I had not considered. However, I have other matters to concern myself with.

[Winston]

@gsjackson I'm not sure I'm going to that flat earth conference in Denver. The thing is, $250 for a two day event is kind of hefty. Plus the drive up there is long too. However, near the CA/NV border in a town called Joshua Tree, near the Death Valley desert, is an annual summer event called CONTACT in the Desert. It's a conference of UFO and ancient alien researchers and conspiracy buffs too. A lot of big name researchers and authors will be there, the kind that you hear on Coast to Coast AM. They will speak and do presentations and sign books. It's a lot cheaper and closer to Las Vegas too. Are you interested in going? If so I can research more info about it for you.

[Winston]

Just because they believe the earth is flat, it doesn't mean I want to interact or hang out with them. Besides that, I have much more interesting things to do, such as becoming extremely familiar with the King James Bible.

Probably all the interesting things that are discussed, or at least the meaty portions of them, will be posted on YT within a few days after anyhow.

Well wouldn't you wanna meet me and gsjackson? Geez.

Now that is a thought which I had not considered. However, I have other matters to concern myself with.

You're too shy to meet us HA bros, not too shy to talk to foreign girls? lol. Besides, aren't you supposed to be open and willing to witness for Christ? lol

[gsjackson]

@gsjackson I'm not sure I'm going to that flat earth conference in Denver. The thing is, $250 for a two day event is kind of hefty. Plus the drive up there is long too. However, near the CA/NV border in a town called Joshua Tree, near the Death Valley desert, is an annual summer event called CONTACT in the Desert. It's a conference of UFO and ancient alien researchers and conspiracy buffs too. A lot of big name researchers and authors will be there, the kind that you hear on Coast to Coast AM. They will speak and do presentations and sign books. It's a lot cheaper and closer to Las Vegas too. Are you interested in going? If so I can research more info about it for you.

Looks like it already happened:

https://contactinthedesert.com/speakers/

I've never developed an interest in UFO's and ancient aliens, and have never heard of any of the speakers they had this year. Saving my pennies for the flat earth shindig.

[Winston]

@gsjackson I'm not sure I'm going to that flat earth conference in Denver. The thing is, $250 for a two day event is kind of hefty. Plus the drive up there is long too. However, near the CA/NV border in a town called Joshua Tree, near the Death Valley desert, is an annual summer event called CONTACT in the Desert. It's a conference of UFO and ancient alien researchers and conspiracy buffs too. A lot of big name researchers and authors will be there, the kind that you hear on Coast to Coast AM. They will speak and do presentations and sign books. It's a lot cheaper and closer to Las Vegas too. Are you interested in going? If so I can research more info about it for you.

Looks like it already happened:

https://contactinthedesert.com/speakers/

I've never developed an interest in UFO's and ancient aliens, and have never heard of any of the speakers they had this year. Saving my pennies for the flat earth shindig.

Oh I thought it was in August. Those are a lot of big names. However, the entrance fee there is $300 which is kind of expensive. So maybe it's better we didn't go. lol. Btw George Noory of Coast to Coast AM was there too. Maybe I could have met him and asked him if I could be on his show. lol