Have you found nightclubs to be really negative places?

[tre]

I worked in the nightclub industry in Las Vegas for many years. I dated MANY girls that were Industry. My current gf used to be Industry. It is true that looks will help guys hook up in a nightclub. In fact, it's easy as can be....nearly guaranteed if you aren't picky.

In the best nightclubs, you will find discrimination against males in general at the door of the club. You will most-likely have to pay a large sum of $$ just to get to the cashier where you will pay the $40-$60 fee to get in. Once you get inside, you will see that there are 2-3 girls to every 1 guy. However, not all of the girls are attractive. If you are not picky, you should be able to get a girl toward the end of the night at a nightclub. If you are attractive, you can pull a chick within an hour of walking in the door.

I've done online dating and dating via nightclub....Nightclub is WAY better IMO. For one, you get to check out the girls and critique them before you take your time to approach. Girls online send you fake or old pictures and you can never quite get a full view of what they look like RIGHT NOW.

That said, you shouldn't go to a club by yourself. You should always go with your friends...unless you are sure you'll know plenty of people inside of the club. Loners are threatening. Girls will want to see you interacting with other guys and girls. If they don't see that, you could be some rapist or murderer for all they know. Also realize that, although not as picky visually as guys are, they WILL look around the club for their best options. We do that, so why shouldn't they? I've turned down plenty of women in nightclubs as well. Lastly, don't hit on the Industry girls that are working...they 100% hate it (they get it constantly all night).

There are many angles you can take inside of a nightclub. Some have better advantages than others, but like I've said....I've seen plenty of unattractive dudes walking away with hot girls. Just like guys, girls have different tastes in men. You could be just what someone in there is looking for.

I'm a white guy in a white majority country...I'm nothing special or exotic to women in general here. If you are an attractive minority, you'd likely have better experiences than I did.

I give this information NOT as someone who likes Las Vegas, but someone who simply has a lot of experience there. It truly is the Nightlife Capital of planet earth at this time. They have pushed their focus to nightlife as they've lost gambling business to Asia. While Vegas is one of the easiest places to get laid in the USA, it's probably the absolute toughest place to have a successful relationship. If you like Asian women, there are MANY hot ones there. However, they are probably the #1 most desired race of women in Las Vegas....and they know it. I believe that is why my gf loved it there...she felt powerful there. If I gave in to her and we moved back, I think our relationship would fail. The place is pure poison and I don't recommend that ANYONE move there. I would tell people that over the bar regularly. I saw SO many newlyweds move to Vegas and I saw them fall apart within weeks....no joke.

[NorthAmericanguy]

While Vegas is one of the easiest places to get laid in the USA, it's probably the absolute toughest place to have a successful relationship. If you like Asian women, there are MANY hot ones there. However, they are probably the #1 most desired race of women in Las Vegas....and they know it. I believe that is why my gf loved it there...she felt powerful there. If I gave in to her and we moved back, I think our relationship would fail. The place is pure poison and I don't recommend that ANYONE move there. I would tell people that over the bar regularly. I saw SO many newlyweds move to Vegas and I saw them fall apart within weeks....no joke.

This is all true.. I was "dating" a girl who worked in the police department in Las Vegas and she told me pretty much the same thing.

[rudder]

I just don't like noisy situations with lots of people I don't know. I can spend about ten minutes at cocktail parties whereas in a nightclub I'll only last five.

[Winston]

Hi all,
Check out Steve Neese's new project on his site, where he compares nightlife in the US vs. Colombia, and shows the ASTOUNDING difference with many photos to make his case. It's FANTASTIC and very revealing! Wow! The women in Colombia definitely look much more approachable. Check it out at his new link below:

http://www.globaldatingsolution.com/wom ... tlife.html

There's something I don't understand. Why is it that bars and clubs in movies look like normal fun places to dance and talk to women. But in real life, I get bad negative vibes from them? Even in small bars and pubs down the street in suburban strip malls, I get a weird bad vibe that repels me. I can't figure out the reason. Can you?

[tre]

Interesting.

I've been to most of those clubs, worked in one as a bartender and I know some of the girls in the photographs.

It's not so much the girls in the photographs but the photographers that WANT them to pose like that. They keep their jobs by insuring those photographs get taken and posted online for others to see. Why? To get people to travel to the nightlife capital of planet earth to have a "What Happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas" experience. It's all about the money...make no mistake about that. Vegas is like no other place in the USA or on earth.

I can guarantee one thing. Take the SAME photographers in Las Vegas Nightlife and place them in Columbia (or anywhere else that has legit nightlife) and you will start to see the exact same photographs as you find in Las Vegas Nightlife. I am not arguing that girls aren't different in Columbia vs USA, but pictures prove nothing....it just proves that Las Vegas has this type of photographer.

[Winston]

Sorry Tre. I strongly disagree. Even if you asked them to take the same pose, the girls in Colombia would still be very different in terms of body language, vibe, attitude, etc. One's attitude shows on their face. Even dogs know this and can sense body language. Why can't some of you guys? lol. Could it be that dogs are smarter than some of you guys? lol

Maybe you aren't looking deeper here. Or maybe you just suck at reading people and picking up clues in pictures. Not all guys are deep. Most American and Oriental guys are not deep like me and my kind are.

Remember that the eyes are the window to the soul. If you look at my approachable faces gallery, you will see a very different and refreshing attitude on the face, eyes and body language. Come on now.

Btw, I don't see how you can say that Vegas is the easiest place in the US to get laid. The girls here have a definite bitch shield and don't make eye contact with strangers and are not even approachable. They are majorly stuck up to the Nth degree and are VERY UNFRIENDLY. VERY!

Most guys here do not like nightclubs, so only those that thrive in them have a chance at picking up women there. But day game here is definitely out of the question. The body language of women here is absolutely horrid.

So how can it be easy to get laid? I haven't met one guy here who dared to cold approach women. Can you outline the steps to getting laid easily and naturally here? lol

[jamesbond]

Btw, I don't see how you can say that Vegas is the easiest place in the US to get laid. The girls here have a definite bitch shield and don't make eye contact with strangers and are not even approachable. They are majorly stuck up to the Nth degree and are VERY UNFRIENDLY. VERY!

Most guys here do not like nightclubs, so only those that thrive in them have a chance at picking up women there. But day game here is definitely out of the question. The body language of women here is absolutely horrid.

So how can it be easy to get laid? I haven't met one guy here who dared to cold approach women. Can you outline the steps to getting laid easily and naturally here? lol

The body language of most women in big cities in America is a closed, unfriendly and anti-social vibe. Trying to pick up women during the day is like trying to win an Olympic event!

Also, trying to meet women in bars and clubs is like trying to climb mount Everest!

[steve55]

I can guarantee one thing. Take the SAME photographers in Las Vegas Nightlife and place them in Columbia (or anywhere else that has legit nightlife) and you will start to see the exact same photographs as you find in Las Vegas Nightlife. I am not arguing that girls aren't different in Columbia vs USA, but pictures prove nothing....it just proves that Las Vegas has this type of photographer.

I highly doubt that the photographer tells the ladies what type of pose to do. Do you really think they say .....

1) "girls, do something lesbian for me"

or

2) "girls, do the tough bad ass look for me".

3) "girls, give me the stuck up bitch shield look"

LOL, are you suggesting the photographer really calls out what type of pose they are to do? LOL. For realz man? LOL


Come on man, that's reaching. LOL. I don't buy that. I will only buy the fact that the girls will be told to pose for photos. But they don't HAVE to pose like they do. The girls CHOOSE what pose they want to do. I just don't buy your explanation beyond the fact that the photographers tell them to pose for a photo . And you are wrong about Colombian girls posing like that too. Even if the photographer encouraged them to, those Colombian girls aren't going to fake something that is not in their soul and spirit. They wont do a bitch shield look or a bad ass look EVEN IF a photographer tried to tell them to do those looks. Why would a Colombian girl do a pose that is not truly representative of her? That makes no sense. The photographer would have to pay them and maybe they would try real hard to do a bitch or tough bad ass pose.

And lastly, how do you explain the photos where the girls are too far away to be explicitly told to pose. Some shots are long distance and the girls look like they are not even aware that their photo is being taken and they are still being lesbos and narcissistic. I've been to those bars too and this is truly how American women really act in these places, especially in Vegas. American women don't need a camera man to tell them to be a bitch or lesbian on the dance floor. LOL

[kai8482]

Here is the situation, I moved here (Dallas) from AZ. How the hell do you meet new people and create a whole new social circle? One thinks going out, having some beers w/ some music seems the best way doesn't it? The problem I think is that any big city, I'm talking cities w/ money ie your NY's, LA's, Dallas's. People are more pretentious in these places. Also the fat / ugly girls thing is true. The act like hot shit, you have to work your ass off to get those because pretty much where all the competition among us 'normies' (lol). I've just come to the realization that other places AW can't hold a torch other women, but we're in America, What can you do? When you get rejected all you can do is try again and make that connection w/ a new chick. All you can do is sell yourself as best as possible, its all we can do. Also American culture also breeds an individual mentality, that whole,"f**k you,I got mine" mentality. America rewards individuals where as other cultures whats goose is good for the gander.

I have to side w the others in that the pictures speaks volumes. The Colo women look far more approachable and aren't trying to garner too much attention being "doing too much". They come across as normal regular people that are out to have a good time, not too make a scene.

[tre]

The photography doesn't exactly reflect who anyone is. I know this because I personally know (as in hung out with several times) at least one of the girls in the photos and I was in those nightclubs practically every night for years, either working or networking. Napkinknights started the photography trend many years ago with SpyonVegas and others following suite. It was BIG MONEY. People see these photographs before they travel to Vegas. When they are drunk and have the opportunity to pose for the nightlife photographer, they want to give the photographer something that will be posted on the website. They know what to do as they've seen these photographs. It's kind of like how girls know what to do when the Girls Gone Wild photographers show up.

My argument is that the expressions in the photographs are not reflective of the people. You could have a stripper and a virgin in the same photo with nearly the same pose and look. That doesn't mean they act the same way outside of that photo.

I am definitely a deep person. The cheap insults are kind of lame. I'm trying help you guys, but some seem more interested in bitching about things than solving a problem. If you keep doing the same things, you will end up being 75 years old and still bitching. Most of the time, success depends on YOU changing something that gives you better chances. I went most of my life not getting women, even though everyone said I was attractive. The reason was because I didn't know shit...it was MY problem! It took deep reflection, digging and researching the female mind before I had success. Once I figured what worked for me, I stuck with that. Everyone is different, what would work for me may not work for you...and vice versa.

Day approaching won't work in the USA, ESPECIALLY Vegas. I've said this before and explained why. Attractive girls in Vegas are most likely industry girls that very often work more than one job and make over $100K per year. They make money off of their looks and get hit on 1000 times per day. During the day (before work), they are busy. Attractive or not, any man is going to be shot down if they approach them during that time. If you try to see them while they are working, they will be too busy to chat...with anyone. In order to find them with that shield down, you have to go where they are hanging out to RELAX.

I don't understand why cold approaches work anywhere. People are the most dangerous animals on the planet. If someone I don't know approached me (man or woman) on the street, I'd definitely have my guard up. Usually, they are going to ask me for money, ask me to buy something from them or some other BS I don't want to deal with. Or, they could be trying to rob me or worse. I have to imagine that it's worse for females as they can't really protect themselves from most full-grown men. Attractive local women in Vegas have legitimate stalkers. They often can't even walk to their car after work without a guy escorting them for safety nowadays. My gf had a rich, powerful stalker for 2 YEARS...that was a nightmare as I had to take measures to protect her.

Girls from all over the world also come to Vegas as tourists. Most know what Vegas is about and this is a big negative for those guys looking for something meaningful. Many girls want that wild, crazy experience to remember after they leave Vegas. If you just wanna get laid, that is an advantage. Good girls at home become sluts in Vegas. I've been very negative about Las Vegas and have explained why in many of my posts. However, it's possible to hook up anywhere...I stand by that statement as fact.

Again, it seems that some guys here just wanna complain instead of being proactive in finding a solution. There IS more than one solution to your problems with women...

[kai8482]

In regards to people complaining and not looking for solutions. I stated what I was going to fix the solutions then you reply w/ a 'why this won't work'. hrm, so what are my options? Its not super hard talking to women grocery shopping, it most certainly isn't the easiest but it isn't impossibly hard either. I mean really, some one can't go to Starbucks and ask a chick that's sitting there what her favorite coffee is or something? I don't think women are THAT cold. Plus if you're at certain venues or whatever the case maybe you already know you both have something in common that you can connect on and expand further and take it from there, yes?

As far as pictures go, I still think it to be a accurate representation of their state of mind at the moment the picture was taken. How many times have you seen pics of people trying to force a smile? And you're thinking, yea, that's fake. You see them smiling but it just looks 'off'. Some are better at portraying a false state but I think you can tell.

[tre]

In regards to people complaining and not looking for solutions. I stated what I was going to fix the solutions then you reply w/ a 'why this won't work'. hrm, so what are my options? Its not super hard talking to women grocery shopping, it most certainly isn't the easiest but it isn't impossibly hard either. I mean really, some one can't go to Starbucks and ask a chick that's sitting there what her favorite coffee is or something? I don't think women are THAT cold. Plus if you're at certain venues or whatever the case maybe you already know you both have something in common that you can connect on and expand further and take it from there, yes?

As far as pictures go, I still think it to be a accurate representation of their state of mind at the moment the picture was taken. How many times have you seen pics of people trying to force a smile? And you're thinking, yea, that's fake. You see them smiling but it just looks 'off'. Some are better at portraying a false state but I think you can tell.

Sorry about that, I wasn't replying to your most recent post.

I won't cold approach anyone in the USA, male or female. I just don't think it works well for most people. Someone that is naturally an expert conversationalist will come up with ways to engage in ways that will not put him in that "creeper" or "threat" category. I think looks matter a great deal with cold approaches in the USA as well. If some fat, old or unattractive woman tried to approach me in a grocery store with some canned topic of conversation, I would give her a nice, short answer. However, I would strategically move the conversation so that I could get away from her without having to hurt her feelings too much. You think women don't do that as well?

Back on the subject of Las Vegas, Nightclubs and people being the most dangerous animals on earth:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... g/3142815/

The above happened this morning.

Also, I should add that my gf worked with a girl at a nightclub that ended up getting killed, cut up into pieces and put into several barrels of cement by a guy in Las Vegas. Shit like this happens everyday somewhere...why does it surprise guys that girls distrust them when they don't know them?

[kai8482]

In regards to people complaining and not looking for solutions. I stated what I was going to fix the solutions then you reply w/ a 'why this won't work'. hrm, so what are my options? Its not super hard talking to women grocery shopping, it most certainly isn't the easiest but it isn't impossibly hard either. I mean really, some one can't go to Starbucks and ask a chick that's sitting there what her favorite coffee is or something? I don't think women are THAT cold. Plus if you're at certain venues or whatever the case maybe you already know you both have something in common that you can connect on and expand further and take it from there, yes?

As far as pictures go, I still think it to be a accurate representation of their state of mind at the moment the picture was taken. How many times have you seen pics of people trying to force a smile? And you're thinking, yea, that's fake. You see them smiling but it just looks 'off'. Some are better at portraying a false state but I think you can tell.

Sorry about that, I wasn't replying to your most recent post.

I won't cold approach anyone in the USA, male or female. I just don't think it works well for most people. Someone that is naturally an expert conversationalist will come up with ways to engage in ways that will not put him in that "creeper" or "threat" category. I think looks matter a great deal with cold approaches in the USA as well. If some fat, old or unattractive woman tried to approach me in a grocery store with some canned topic of conversation, I would give her a nice, short answer. However, I would strategically move the conversation so that I could get away from her without having to hurt her feelings too much. You think women don't do that as well?

Back on the subject of Las Vegas, Nightclubs and people being the most dangerous animals on earth:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... g/3142815/

The above happened this morning.

Also, I should add that my gf worked with a girl at a nightclub that ended up getting killed, cut up into pieces and put into several barrels of cement by a guy in Las Vegas. Shit like this happens everyday somewhere...why does it surprise guys that girls distrust them when they don't know them?

I'm sorry but that the worst way to validate your point. By suggesting that one guy killing one woman ruins it for all men. By that logic I should be scared of whites, blacks, mexican, Asians and women as well. There have been some very prolific women killers in US history. Problem Solved, I'll just stop talking to women </s>

[tre]

In regards to people complaining and not looking for solutions. I stated what I was going to fix the solutions then you reply w/ a 'why this won't work'. hrm, so what are my options? Its not super hard talking to women grocery shopping, it most certainly isn't the easiest but it isn't impossibly hard either. I mean really, some one can't go to Starbucks and ask a chick that's sitting there what her favorite coffee is or something? I don't think women are THAT cold. Plus if you're at certain venues or whatever the case maybe you already know you both have something in common that you can connect on and expand further and take it from there, yes?

As far as pictures go, I still think it to be a accurate representation of their state of mind at the moment the picture was taken. How many times have you seen pics of people trying to force a smile? And you're thinking, yea, that's fake. You see them smiling but it just looks 'off'. Some are better at portraying a false state but I think you can tell.

Sorry about that, I wasn't replying to your most recent post.

I won't cold approach anyone in the USA, male or female. I just don't think it works well for most people. Someone that is naturally an expert conversationalist will come up with ways to engage in ways that will not put him in that "creeper" or "threat" category. I think looks matter a great deal with cold approaches in the USA as well. If some fat, old or unattractive woman tried to approach me in a grocery store with some canned topic of conversation, I would give her a nice, short answer. However, I would strategically move the conversation so that I could get away from her without having to hurt her feelings too much. You think women don't do that as well?

Back on the subject of Las Vegas, Nightclubs and people being the most dangerous animals on earth:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... g/3142815/

The above happened this morning.

Also, I should add that my gf worked with a girl at a nightclub that ended up getting killed, cut up into pieces and put into several barrels of cement by a guy in Las Vegas. Shit like this happens everyday somewhere...why does it surprise guys that girls distrust them when they don't know them?

I'm sorry but that the worst way to validate your point. By suggesting that one guy killing one woman ruins it for all men. By that logic I should be scared of whites, blacks, mexican, Asians and women as well. There have been some very prolific women killers in US history. Problem Solved, I'll just stop talking to women </s>

No, what I am saying is that a man must be able to get into the head of the women that he wants to date. If you can't understand why they do what they do or act the way they act, you are going to have very unpredictable results. Understanding what women fear and coming across as the exact opposite strategically is a key point. Definitely DON'T stop trying....I'm not trying to demotivate you. Not all women are the same in any country and meeting them requires different methods, depending on where you are on the world. I hate generalizations and think they do more harm than good. What works for you may be very different than what has worked for me. Being a good at cold approaches takes practice, even for those that have natural ability. Very few have that skill and can successfully use it in the USA. I am NOT good at this so I am not going to pretend that I am. If you have success with it, my hats off to you as you have a skill that I do not. Also, different regions of the USA are better or worse than others. Where were you in Arizona? Did you spend a good portion of your life there? I am from there and reside there now. The people in small town Arizona are MUCH different than the people in Scottsdale, Arizona, for instance. I never had success in Arizona as I had NO GAME or skills with meeting women. I didn't develop those skills or gain self-confidence with it until a couple of years after moving to Las Vegas. I changed my chances by getting myself into a good position to meet women. After being with women that I considered WAY over my head (or any other man's head) in attractiveness level, things changed in my head. I gained something I'd never had before....confidence. That made all the difference.

Once you figure out what works for you and have consistent success with it, everything will change for you. If you can have success in the USA, I don't doubt you will be able to have success anywhere on earth. I'm merely talking about hooking up with women...not long-term relationships. I agree with most that American Women are to be avoided in most cases for long-term plans. I had no problems hooking up with women before I ended up with my current GF, but I was put through the ringer by other girlfriends I had while in Las Vegas.

[kai8482]

I lived in Tempe and Ahwatukee for about 5 years. I had mixed success. When I first got there I was ok but then it started to taper off a bit. Scottsdale chicks are just too much and frankly I'm so effing tired of Bleach Blond chicks. Downtown PHX and Westgate Night life the girls are pretty down to earth. but dwntwn can be pretty sketchy. And I just believe there is no culture in Az what so ever.

On topic, like you I want to put myself in the best situation too meet chicks. I'm sure most of us guys work work 9~5's, when you get home you don't always want to go out. Meeting chicks in a club is easy because you're there and they're there. Drink a few drink and approach. plus meeting chicks in the night life scene is easier as there is context. Where as during the day you need to "accidentally" meet a women. Idk, you can learn to meet women and I think during the day while doing normal activities is better way to do than going out on a lot of lvls. But you right, even needs to kind of find there own way I suppose