My good reasons to leave France or avoid going there

[Winston]

From my Venetian friend Alex. His response to this thread.

[6/2, 6:04 PM] Winston Wu: Look what hypermak said about italy in my forum. Hes an italian chef.

Hypermak:

It's not that different in Italy, except that Italy's problem are largely to blame on Italians and their political class, rather than migrants and ghettos.

As you probably know, cultural marxism has wrecked Italian society as much, if not more, than French. Sad state of things... Trop triste...

[6/2, 6:05 PM] Winston Wu: What does trop triste mean?

[6/2, 6:06 PM] Winston Wu: Here's the thread:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=42574

[6/2, 6:44 PM] Alex From Venice: I guess it's incomplete spelling of "troppo triste". Troppo means too much, Triste means sad. Too much sad.

[6/2, 6:55 PM] Alex From Venice: totally agree with the OP. France is in deep shit, as well as Italy, and for similar reasons... socialism. But Italy has a big addition to socialism... it has the most corrupted and corruptible political class and institutions among the western world.

[Das verlorene Reich]

@Winston Yes "trop triste" litterally means "too sad". We could better say "très triste" (very sad). I see your friend shares the views exposed in the thread. He is right about socialism. Since at least WW2 France is a de facto communist minded country.

See even when the social order (majority of white Catholics, and marriage being the most important life step) was still in place before leftists ruined it in 1968, nearly all the intellectuals were already communists/socialists. Therefore all the arts and universities got corrupted and became marxist centers of powers.

1968 and what happens today is partly the result of French partisan groups (a lot of French resistants were communist friendly) which gained power during the fights against the Germans in 1944-1945. And even before, the French Revolution and its horrible ideology was already, in my opinion, a blueprint of communism. You find in it two main ideas that prove today to be as inhumane as they are unappliable in reality : equality (sameness) and the "purity" of the ideas which means suppression of thought in favour of group behaviour.

And I get the point about the Italian government, they have always had problems with the Camorra (if I spell it correctly, the mafia). In France though even if it isn't as much corrupted, the political class still isn't worth anything good anymore if it has ever been.

[Winston]

Das verlorene Reich,
Are you French? What does your username and avatar mean?

How do you speak English so good?

Do you listen to Red Ice Radio? The Swedish host there, Henrik Palmgren is alt right too and has the same views as you.

Do you mind if I use your posts to create a blog post about why not to move to France? I'd link your profile here as the author of course.

[flowerthief00]

I am reminded of this, lol. Ah the naivete of the Japanese.

Japanese Tourists are So Disappointed by Paris They Develop a Mental Disorder Called Paris Syndrome

[Das verlorene Reich]

@Winston Yes I am French (I think I stated it in my first post on this topic). Das verlorene Reich means in german what can be translated as "the lost Empire". This is a kind of tribute to the II. Reich (the State of Germany between 1871 and 1918) which is a country I am passionate about. It was far from being any close to a paradise on Earth but at least it had strong traditional institutions and a sense of pride and discipline (the latter being something French people have never had), which is why I like its history. Also this was a time when white Europeans were strong men and women and not suicidal cultureless people like they are now. Though militarism technology and colonialism lost Europe as soon as WW1. But I digress. The avatar is what is called the Kaiserstandarte (the Emperor's banner), in its 1871 version (then the background was changed to yellow instead of red).

I speak decent english because I spent a childhood of social ostracisation so I used my time searching and searching about what was "wrong with me" and it appears a lot of psychology and all that stuff is only in english. In France the litterature about all kinds of mental health is very lacking. Perhaps because back in the days we were not as insane as the US population. And videogames helped too. And well after some years I realised I was being attacked not because I was insane but because others around me couldn't bear that I wasn't as insane as them. This has led me to have an automatic doubt whenever an opinion seems to be trust by the majority. In any case I read and hear english daily because in France there is almost no diversity of opinion.

I do not know Red Ice Radio. I'll maybe give it a try. But I do not belong to any political movement. I have tried in the past to join some kind of alt-right communities but I just don't feel at home there either. Too many have this foolish belief in Christianity being the solution while it's actually (I will offend people here but well I don't like to lie) a big part of the problems we have had for 2000 years. Because it's a religion that denies what makes us human : "free" thought, sexuality, empirism, the body-mind link (I don't buy into the bullshit of the "superior" soul in a "meat cage")... and it's fondamentally totalitarian but that's something we could write entire books about, though that kind of books doesn't seem to exist as people have just believe that thinking a superior being rules everything by its own will is normal. But I digress again (can't help about that). On the other hand, you can use my posts if you quote me for your blog. I'd also need a link to what you publish to see for what you use them. Just please precise that I am not some political activist of some kind.


@flowerthief00 It doesn't surprise me hahah. The difference between "Movie Paris" and the real life shithole is indeed worth some breakdown though in my opinion.

[Yohan]

Hi,
So I already posted some long text about why I thought France and Germany were far from the healthy cultures one may think. This has in my opinion mostly to do with what those countries don't want you, the foreigner, to know about them, because it would compromise their touristic appeal.

I am French myself (don't trust the German pseudo) and since so many people seem to idealise France as the romantic place per excellence, I wanted to share some rant about why I want to leave that hell behind as soon as I can. And potentially to make some avoid the mistake of thinking there are opportunities for a healthy life there.

I hear you and I fully agree with you. I am originally from Austria (EU) and native German speaker, but I left Europe for always around 1976 and never came back. I am living now in Japan with my family and have a second home in Thailand.

Still, I think, better in Continental Europe than in the States or UK.

However let me add, that there are many countries, worldwide, which are surely much worse than EU, UK or USA.

Wide parts of Africa, Latin America and Asia are nothing but a chaos with millions of people living in slums and in poverty.

French women are on average very cold and pretentious (if they feel you are not the actor kind of rich guy), shallow and unstable thanks to feminism ...
.....
Forget trying to have long term relationships and don't even dare thinking about mariage as she's only there for one night stands, which are yet difficult to get if you don't have perfect social skills.

This is not only in France, but generally true in all EU. It's relative somehow, as there are plenty of horror stories which will prove USA is likely the worst, the dating scene is totally broken there...

[Das verlorene Reich]

Hi Yohan,
So the situation was unbearable in 1976 for you already? What were your motivations to leave if I may ask?

I would say that now France and Germany are in a so close state to the one of the US/UK that it barely makes any difference sadly. I am thinking about leaving to Hungary, but before as I speak German a bit I wanted to learn it better and go for Austria. But when I learnt about all the Turkish communities in Wien it made me rethink about it.

And yeah indeed Africa and Latin America are even worse, but that isn't new. Like the Middle East. Take Syria. At the time of the Egyptian New Empire (roughly 1500-1000 BC) it was already a place of constant warfare between Egyptians and Mitannians and then Hittites. People there are yet to experience a century of stability.

And about women yeah it's true wherever I have been in Western Europe, even if the US are always worse. I hope it's better in Eastern Europe but well if they have social media which they most definitely have they will sink too.

[Moretorque]

Thanks for posting all this, really appreciate it alot... The best is being thrown under the bus everywhere and mediocrity is what is to prevail and be strived for.

It's a bunch of crap and the sheople will not get their heads out of their tales... The elite knew this, it's all about world wide sheople control and eliminate the thinking class... They fund Marxism " Bankism " through all the power centers today and the sheople tote the line for a supply of #'s so they can survive.... Unbacked currencies are bad news, in the 1792 coinage act for America it is stated anybody doing what the financial entities are doing today were to be put to death..

[Das verlorene Reich]

It took me time to realise it, but now I'm of the opinion that most people can't be helped for the simple reason that they don't want to. Either because they fear life too much or because they have come to love their state of servitude.

[yick]

It took me time to realise it, but now I'm of the opinion that most people can't be helped for the simple reason that they don't want to. Either because they fear life too much or because they have come to love their state of servitude.

Which is why most people don't do 'Happier Abroad' they're basically too cowardly, they would rather put up and whinge about a place they don't like than do something constructive (not saying that's you by the way...) which is most people.

All these 'nasty' Algerians, Senegalese, Togolese will leave France, why? Because you can see now the whole of Europe losing its grip on its wealth and prestige - which is why the EU exists - and one day Africa will be rich enough
to entice all those people back and they will go - no doubt about it Africa has a future - if you remember 1984 and people dying of starvation in places like Ethiopia and the Sudan and see it now - they're not dying now, the whole world is getting richer and more prosperous - they're playing catch up - if you watch the Wham 'Freedom' video and see all those dirty people wearing their khaki uniform cycling around Beijing - it aint like that now in China and that was also 1984 so in the next 50 years - this what we see now will be history - African refugees risking their lives to get to Europe will cease one day - all those Algerians living in the crappy Banlieues of Paris and Marseilles will go back and live in Algiers which is a lovely city to live in! Maybe not now, not next week or even next year but one day they will leave - it's not their home and they know it - even if they were born there - their land is not that place - if you ever go to Madrid and see the hordes of African illegals running around the city to evade the police with their big white sacks of counterfeit goods - they don't want to live like that - and if there is a better option in Africa then they will take it.

I don't see how Hungary solves a problem - it is a failed, parasite state of the EU and it will be fed by the EU coffers for a very long time - that it is a fascist, autocratic state should be no recommendation because they're Hungarian first and foremost - just like the Brits are with the Polish community - a lot of Brits don't want these people there and they're as white and as European as them. I don't see how moving to Hungary could be an answer to your problem if you want a prosperous life. If you don't speak Hungarian then these people will despise you on a long-term basis.

If you want to live in a prosperous land where there's a bright future it's Asia - I agree totally with Jim Rogers on that score - that is where the future financial centres are going to be because Europe is dying and you can see it.
If you don't want to live in Asia then get your arse to anywhere on the Pacific Coast of the Americas - anywhere from Canada to Chile - they're on the up and up and that will continue - if you want an easy residency then Panama is a good choice!

Europe is on its last legs but you know who's fault it is? No, not the immigrants or the asylum seekers or the Jews - its the indigenous people living there! They got too fat, too lazy, too stupid and their leaders got too stupid and complacent on the back of it, I will quote Shakespeare...

Let me have men about me that are fat,
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep a-nights.
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look,
He thinks too much; such men are dangerous.

The 'sleek-headed, hungry and lean' men are the Asians and they're coming to take our lunch money - they respect education, they respect knowledge, they respect hard work, they respect family and they respect their country - check out how they reacted to this coronavirus pandemic - they're disciplined enough to stay in the f***ing house and guess what - life is back to normal - the British and Americans? Are they anything like that? And the answer is 'no' stupidity and ignorance is tolerated as is disobedience and obstruction - which is not going to get us anywhere in this new world order headed by the Chinese.

This is the 'Chinese Century' but really is is the century of the Asia-Pacific - tomorrow doesn't belong to us - it belongs to them and they won't let go of it either. If you want to be part of that prosperous tomorrow then you need to wake up and make a f***ing plan because you're (and your wife and kids if you're daft enough to have them...) are going to be left behind.

[Das verlorene Reich]

@yick We don't seem to live in the same world my friend. I will start to say that I at least agree on a few things that you are saying though. Indeed Hungary isn't THE solution, and I'm not that dumb kind of guy who wants to get their for cheap pussies. Of course finding a wife is a goal, but for now I've acknowledged that there is a very low chance to find a wife nowadays and that's it. I am of the opinion that "wherever you go, live as people live there, don't make them the insult of wanting to find your culture in a foreign place" (there is a proverb with living among the Romans that says that). If I go to live there, first of all I'll travel there a few weeks to test out and learn the language (which I'm already doing) so that even before traveling I know how to be autonomous there. And you can say all you want about how fascist and corrupted it is, France is fascist and corrupted too, just that Hungarians are 98% whites or more while France has at least 20% muslims (of which some are white but you get it). France is a violent place too. I know people who got beaten up to coma near my own street. I was followed a few weeks ago by dealers in a stolen car because I started faster than them at the green light. I know what is safe and what isn't. I've for a long time been the kind of guy who rants but does nothing. Since last year I've decided that being a lazy coward is enough. And it works wonders for now. But it doesn't prevent me to want to leave a sinking ship.

An other point I agree on with you is that the state of our country here is the population's own fault. I've worked in factories with people from Congo and Senegal and even Morocco or Iraq or Algeria. At first I wondered how come they were that much racist towards whites (because a lot are). It's because you have to win their respect. Most white men don't deserve respect. They get trampled by their women, trampled by the state, trampled by other races who insult them, and they call for more. I tried to make friends and family become more "aware" of what's at play all around. They don't care. They don't want to get their head out of their ass. That said, they are so much the average here that I don't want to try to help anymore. They live in hell and think it's paradise. Good for them. I don't buy into their shit.

Now about what I disagree the most on, I think I read one of your posts somewhere with this "Pacific coast" delirium. If you equate meaningless friendships with psychopathic workaholics, consumerism, and useless technology with happiness then yeah go spend your life there. China will lead the world that seems certain indeed but all that technology and what you call "prosperity" is totally unnatural. Plus it depends entirely on electricity which is f***ing unreliable and could be swept away by a major solar storm or whatever. That fake system will collapse sooner than later. Technology is cancer for both the mind and the body. What's best about the idiots that rule over us is that their superiority complex makes them blind. They think they will be able to create super-humans who live forever thanks to technology. That's at best foolish. They are even working against their own interests in the end. But greed has no limits. And these little cowards can't accept they will end up as dead bodies like everyone else they despise so much. About Africa having a future, there too you made me have a good laugh. The thing isn't about changing the balance with Africa being above Europe. No, the plan is about turning the US and EU into third world shitholes (we are close to the goal) that won't disturb the order. Asia is allowed to economically dominate because people in China are now for the most parts soulless slaves thanks to communism and technology and the Western influence. See unlike what you seem to think, obedience to a corrupted system isn't a sign of prosperity and intelligence. It's a sign of deep weakness. I have more respect for the migrant thugs who broke the fakewirus idiotic rules rather than for the white cowards who stood home to "not contaminate the elderly". Seriously wake up. The state (wherever the f**k you are) is a parasite. It doesn't like you. It doesn't care about you. If it feels like sending you to war or sending you by force to hospital it will do so.

[yick]

@yick We don't seem to live in the same world my friend.

I have been around the world and I live abroad, so you're right, we probably don't.

So, it's good we agree on a few things so we can concentrate on what we disagree on.

Now about what I disagree the most on, I think I read one of your posts somewhere with this "Pacific coast" delirium. If you equate meaningless friendships with psychopathic workaholics, consumerism, and useless technology with happiness then yeah go spend your life there.

Not really, spend it however you want but you have to pay the bills, Europe is going down the pan and the rise of Asia is being seen by all - if I sound shallow because I like malls, nice food, stuff that works then guilty as charged, I don't know what you think you will do in Hungary because you will have to earn a living in a country with one of the worlds hardest languages to learn.

China will lead the world that seems certain indeed but all that technology and what you call "prosperity" is totally unnatural. Plus it depends entirely on electricity which is f***ing unreliable and could be swept away by a major solar storm or whatever.

That can be said for anywhere.

That fake system will collapse sooner than later. Technology is cancer for both the mind and the body.

But you are using it now to debate your points.

About Africa having a future, there too you made me have a good laugh. The thing isn't about changing the balance with Africa being above Europe.

No-one said it will be above Europe but it will improve enough to stop refugee hoards from coming - the Chinese are in there now building it up as we speak - they will colonise it by proxy because corrupt African leaders have sold the family silver as the Chinese stuff their banks accounts with loot - but so what? The life of the average African will improve to an extent that they won't want to risk their life on a raft to get to Madrid (or Paris or Brussels) where they will spend most of their days running around Madrid with a sack of counterfeit shite on their backs.

No, the plan is about turning the US and EU into third world shitholes (we are close to the goal) that won't disturb the order. Asia is allowed to economically dominate because people in China are now for the most parts soulless slaves thanks to communism and technology and the Western influence. See unlike what you seem to think, obedience to a corrupted system isn't a sign of prosperity and intelligence.

Obedience is part of the culture but what's so good about disobedience? Nothing! What's so good about celebrating stupidity? Nothing! This is why they have took the rattle out of our pram - people in the first world have lost ALL their discipline - what's the population of obese people again? How many who think they're owed things? It's a mess.

It's a sign of deep weakness.

I disagree.

I have more respect for the migrant thugs who broke the fakewirus idiotic rules rather than for the white cowards who stood home to "not contaminate the elderly". Seriously wake up. The state (wherever the f**k you are) is a parasite. It doesn't like you. It doesn't care about you. If it feels like sending you to war or sending you by force to hospital it will do so.

They couldn't handle staying in their house for a few weeks - it broke them - real brave I don't think.

So, the state doesn't like me, I disagree with that too, it doesn't think I am important but I don't think it particulary hates me - no, it doesn't care about me so why are you going to another state - a fascist, ethnostate who cares even less about you because you're not an ethnic Hungarian? You have just said that 'The State' doesn't care about any of us and I go along with that somewhat but you think a foreign country where and what you have no real idea about is going to embrace you - you're in for a big big shock.

[Moretorque]

These dopes do not realize they have plans to get rid of most of us and need very few of us anymore

[Das verlorene Reich]

@yick In my opinion as of now most migrants from subsaharian countries who come to Berlin, Paris and the like (from what I have seen myself of their standards of living) are there because just like all of us (unless you are part of the clique that rules countries) they bought into lies. They lost the few good things they had where they were before (I can't know but things like friendships, family, nature) to only realise they are the new slaves and that Daddy state doesn't care about them.

In France, Germany, Spain, the UK, Italy I can tell you obese retards living on welfare are not a white-only tribe. And there is a thing they didn't lost from their discipline, which is blindly believing that people who tell you they care actually care. An other lesson I learned a while ago is that as soon as you phrase things the way the person you talk to will like, you can get away with anything, be it rape, murder or whatever you want. That's how the state still exists. And a good discipline is not blind obedience. A good soldier knows that he should obey orders in general but also that if orders are insane he ought to disobey.

And finally, you seem to assume a lot about people to make them fit into what you want them. I am thinking about leaving, I want to leave where I live. And I am thinking about Hungary. I am not saying I know that it is the place I want to go for sure and will move to as soon as I can. I will have to learn the language and go see how things are there first. By the way, Hungarians are no different than normally operating human beings. Human beings define themselves by opposition to what is exterior to them. Normal human beings like to be in a close "tribe" that cares for each member. What we see know with all those multicultural and universalist idiots is the end result of hundreds of years of indoctrination. So I perfectly know it is very hard to integrate. But people don't owe you shit. You get what you take. And if I have to learn the harshest language on Earth to find people with who I can live happily and have deep friendships with, then so be it.

For now where I live I know some people like that. But they are very few. And they have to put a mask daily, just like I have to. Because the West is a thought dictature. It won't take you to a gulag, it simply will cut all your social links and let you die alone if you dare open your mouth too much.

[yick]

In France, Germany, Spain, the UK, Italy I can tell you obese retards living on welfare are not a white-only tribe.

Maybe not, but it's their country! And they complain about immigrants taking things off them - jobs, women, housing - how can an immigrant take anything off the indigenous population other than that they're too fat and too stupid to carve a path out for themselves? Immigrants have all the disadvantages when they turn up somewhere but still get the housing and the jobs (and sometimes the women) because we have slid back and regressed - we've become stupid and entitled and lazy. You can see it all over Europe and The States - all the first world it's evident.

And finally, you seem to assume a lot about people to make them fit into what you want them. I am thinking about leaving, I want to leave where I live. And I am thinking about Hungary. I am not saying I know that it is the place I want to go for sure and will move to as soon as I can. I will have to learn the language and go see how things are there first. By the way, Hungarians are no different than normally operating human beings. Human beings define themselves by opposition to what is exterior to them. Normal human beings like to be in a close "tribe" that cares for each member.

So, by your own words, they're not going to care about you because you're a foreigner just as much as an Arab is - tell you a story, I worked in Saudi Arabia and knew plenty of Muslims from the West who went out there because they wanted to live a true Muslim life in the home of Islam and thought that there was a Muslim brotherhood and they would be accepted, they weren't, and the ones from Pakistan, Somalia and Sudan were treated like shit and a lot of them went home disillusioned about it because being a Muslim came a long way third to tribal affliations and being Saudi Arabian.

I know you want to live your life on a higher philisophical plane but you need to earn money, do you have any skills to take to Hungary? How are you going to work? It's a 1000 Euros a month over there for a lot of jobs and you're up against people who can speak the language, have contacts etc - you'll have to go and see it for yourself but it won't be easy. Have you ever lived outside France before? Living abroad isn't easy. Ask anyone who has done it on here.

What we see know with all those multicultural and universalist idiots

And you are going to add to it by going to Hungary, you are part of the problem even if you don't think you are.

A lot of Brits didn't want the Poles and Romanians in their country which is why Brexit happened.

So I perfectly know it is very hard to integrate. But people don't owe you shit. You get what you take. And if I have to learn the harshest language on Earth to find people with who I can live happily and have deep friendships with, then so be it.

Again, why Hungary?

For now where I live I know some people like that. But they are very few. And they have to put a mask daily, just like I have to. Because the West is a thought dictature. It won't take you to a gulag, it simply will cut all your social links and let you die alone if you dare open your mouth too much.

Maybe, but going to another European country is going to help you out and find 'happiness' (whatever that may be for you...)