To use Lube is to avoid addressing a dire issue...

[Quiet_observer]

In truth, some women seem to just jump into things. They might not be ready to go, but they rush THEMSELVES. I guess there are lots of "shoulds" with women.

Wolfeye, thank you. Women do jump into things head-first even when they think or know they shouldn't. Maybe they do this because they live in a society where simply being a woman will see them being saved by someone regardless of the decisions they make. Maybe.

As for just being very point blank about the guy being hard or not, I think it's actually got to do with it being seen that men don't give a shit. I think women just assume men are like that from being like that with everything else (after all, guys insult each other all the time & it's not even meant as anything nasty- it's just joking around).

Yeah, I've thought about this too. But I cant help but feel this 'logic' is steeped in a core double standard that has been here for quite sometime. You know? Its almost sounds like an excuse. And the men who are blunt with one another have serious history as mates. To me, for any woman to look at a man and think its ok to poop on him because he is a man and thats what men do to eachother is horrible mentality. Or, put another way, its like treating a woman who was abused by her last two husbands like crap because shes already used to the abuse. In this case, we know its wrong, right? But is it wrong because Im talking about treating an abused woman like crap? If i said this about an abused man... No one would bat an eye. No one would care. And some women and manginas and Pua's and white knights would actually go as far as to say "He had it coming to him" or "He needs to MAN-UP".

Theres too much taboo associated with women in the us... especially here in the West Coast. Most women here are treated like queens and they have resting bitch face like no other. I will make my way to Boston next week. Maybe things are different there. lol The west coast is beautiful here.. The people mess it up greatly and the blatant feminism here is a cross to bare.

The assumption tends to be that the woman will see that as a more serious thing & the man won't. Could just be she's being a bit inconsiderate or outright bitchy, but sometimes there's underlying things that aren't that way.

Yeah. Its not like this in other places I've been in the world, but you are most certainly correct. Once you get in the bed with someone you can ask any question you like - Because if you are in bed with someone, it means youve both invested some time and are taking things to the next level. But ultimately, I should stick to my guns and avoid any kind of deep interactions with American women. And I have the added problem of, I am German and every American I have told my last name to immediately knows I am from a family of German money. This is the other struggle of my journey here in the states that ill address later on. When I say American women are sluts willing to jump on anything that has money, I can back it up..... The U.K is no different. lol.

[Wolfeye]

Got to ask: Have you ever tried non-rich chicks? I know that the poor ones can be gold-diggers, too- but maybe ones that aren't astute about who has money from what family would be a better idea. I notice that the "resting bitch face" as you called it DOES happen pretty frequently- I keep landing on the concept of "negative identity." It's so common in this country that any time you see anything else, it's like getting splashed with cold water- refreshing, but it knocks you back.

I'm looking to move to Eastern Europe & hope to get away from all this bullshit. I just hope that my land of origin doesn't instantly get me designated an asshole. My backstory has a lot to do with things being barren & vitiating here, so I don't know how it's going to get seen- it's not necessarily identifiable to people from places that don't deliberately try to f**k you out of your life or find something to come down on your for. I've been sick & tired of living in a mirage since I was a kid- hoping I'll land where things are seen for what they are.

[Quiet_observer]

Got to ask: Have you ever tried non-rich chicks? I know that the poor ones can be gold-diggers, too- but maybe ones that aren't astute about who has money from what family would be a better idea. I notice that the "resting bitch face" as you called it DOES happen pretty frequently- I keep landing on the concept of "negative identity." It's so common in this country that any time you see anything else, it's like getting splashed with cold water- refreshing, but it knocks you back.

WOW! WOlfeye, I must say upfront.. Thank you for actually reading my posts, seeing past the cheap jokes and getting to the meat and potatoes if what Im talking about. Your observation here is beautifully accurate. I can honestly say, i tend to give attention to the more astute types of women in this country. Theres good reasons for it and not so good reasons. One of the really good reasons is that the rich/1% types are good at pretending that having money is no big deal. The other odd thing is that most of the women in that category in the U.S are overwhelmingly Jewish. And these are Jewish girls whom act like white valley girls. "like... Oh My gawd!" - yeech.

I'm looking to move to Eastern Europe & hope to get away from all this bullshit. I just hope that my land of origin doesn't instantly get me designated an asshole.

I think we were talking about Eastern Europe in another thread and you mentioned Bulgaria. Bulgaria is good, but they tend to be a litte wierd when it comes to Americans acting like americans. People seem to forget that Bulgaria was the place where Nato sent in its troops to protect the people from some threat and the people ended up beating the living hell out of the nato troops and they left. I dont think that made the news here in the states, but it most certainly happened. Or maybe it was Bulgarias neighbor, Romania? I forget, but I think it was bulgaria. The women there are in-fing-credible. Also in Romania, but they are a little more intense - but nowhere as bad as what we are dealing with here in the states. Islam is growing there as well. That schocked me when I saw mosques there. Men are not punks in Bulgaria and are quick to fight. Especially foreigners ( Americans) who act like they own the place. Also, add Belarus to this. Some of the most brutal fights Ive seen have been in Belarus and Bulgaria. Hands down. Well there was one fight I saw in Turkey but it was rare. I tell all of my American friends to "Slow their role" when they are in those places and do more observing than talking.

My backstory has a lot to do with things being barren & vitiating here, so I don't know how it's going to get seen- it's not necessarily identifiable to people from places that don't deliberately try to f**k you out of your life or find something to come down on your for.

Yep, people go out of their way to screw you over in America. I have observed that to a high degree. Its really sad. Capitalism has people so against each other its disheartening. I sometimes feel like America is going to be invaded. I say this because the people here are so disconnected and so much division between race exists here. This country- of all countries in the world should not even have a race problem. The history of America dictates that. But America doesn't look back.

Wolfeye, the rest of the world is going to send you into a positive culture shock, I think. Sure, there are good and bad people everywhere- but no one here in America talks about densities when they say that. America is dense with horrible people who knowingly do wrong to get ahead in life. Eastern Europe ( or anything in the Schengen ) for you would be like when Sylvester Stallone woke up in the future in the movie Demolition man. He was shocked at how innocent and wholesome people were as opposed to in his time.

[Wolfeye]

You're very welcome, Quiet_observer! Not many people take the time to notice things like that, much less than them for it- so thank you, in return. I don't quite understand your meaning about the women you go for. It seems they're not to your tastes, but have a condition (not so much a personal style) that you figure is helpful to getting something serious going.

If I understand it, it's the idea that money wouldn't be a factor & so the relationship would be based on personal connections- something much more reliable in tough times (I'd definitely think that one is likely to inform on you in certain kinds of tough times). The Jewish women, from what I understand, are NOTORIOUS for not being passionate- like the polar opposite of Latinas, on that level. Might explain some things. Might be that they WANT to, but there's kind of a hold-back that causes a physical situation- like a guy that is attracted to a woman, but doesn't quite get hard because he things it's dirty or something. Just ideas.

I'm surprised to hear about Romania! I was watching a Youtube video where they kept a mosque from being built. I would also think with Vlad Dracula as a national hero (he's the only figure I know of that was defending against an invader that is now described as a villain), they'd be staunch combatants of that particular religion. Bulgaria sounds cool. Not part of Schengen, right? I might have citizenship by then (putting the finishing touches on getting it from Italian heritage- unbelievable how much it takes when Germany is just handing out papers), so I might not have to worry about Schengen time limits. Will remember not to talk too much- don't want to come off like I'm "gracing them with my presence & opinion."

I look forward to the positive culture shock. I've watched Demolition Man so many times & I totally got the reference. It's good to know- I'm thinking the Slavic countries aren't dainty like that, though. Don't want to paint Western Europe with that broad a brush, but it seems they're getting kicked around & grinning like idiots about it (more & more exceptions to that, though- seems the mainstream media doesn't get into that very much). You ever travel to Czechia or Slovakia?

[Tsar]

The last 4 American women I almost got involved with swore they wanted sex but once the clothes came off, they were dry as a bone in the sahara. They all did the same thing.. They reached for a bottle of lube. And I was like:

WTF? NO!

Shes asking me why do I have a problem with lube and I told her- It is not the lube I have a problem with, it is your lack of "I really want this" natural fluids that I have a problem with!

Shes mad now...

"You're ruining it!" she says. "No im not, Im questioning you directly. Do you want this or not? Because quite frankly, your mouth says one thing and your body is saying something entirely different- I cant trust anything you say now... see?"

In the end, as always ( since I arrived here), I walked out.

You guys, the women here are so spoiled, they dont even know how to get excited about anything anymore. They are faking everything. Its almost like everything about them is a goddamned lie. Sure not all of them are like this, but I'm guessing a higher percentage of them ( as girl talk seems to dictate ) cant achieve orgasm. But thats not the mens fault. I think broken vaginas are an indication that you are in the home of the mother of harlots. XD

But seriously. Guys.... My mgtow-senses tells me If a women says she wants sex and isnt producing anything short of a goddamn river, that should be an immediate conversation piece. To hell with lube, If shes not wet and says shes wants it and you selfishly go for the lube, its almost as if you are saying "Sure, I'm good for that impending rape charge you might throw my way later on.." - Especially in America. I mean, tell a girl that you want her and have a limp one when she rips your pants off and watch how she cross-examines and waterboard you with questions about it!

Ok, and then there is the white knight and the mangina who will come to her defense and say "But Observer, maybe she has problems with her body. Most women do!!". And to that I would say "Then why the hell is she trying to have sex if she hasn't addressed this issue... OF HERS?". And what the hell, dude... You get off on having sex with women who are out of sequence with their bodies? Jesus, you're desperate. Shes her own person and shes pretty much a sea of red flags at this point... for any "thinking male". XD

One girl even had the nerve to say "No, i really want it. Kitty is just acting weird". Ya.... well hon, thats just got "RISK" written all over it. Sorry, i can do that...

Girls can lie without thought here. Its time for the men to 'Bring that pain' and start questioning women's innermost functions ( Or, lack thereof) and show them its not just how messed they really are. This is an endless game here in the U.S

How old were those women? I'd take a guess and say in their 30s (maybe 40s) since we have a lot of older members here.

[Quiet_observer]

You're very welcome, Quiet_observer! Not many people take the time to notice things like that, much less than them for it- so thank you, in return. I don't quite understand your meaning about the women you go for. It seems they're not to your tastes, but have a condition (not so much a personal style) that you figure is helpful to getting something serious going.

Well, I would not say they are not to my taste. They are beautiful, but have something more internal going on that I like. Afterall, the beauty wears off and whats left is what you have in a good partner. For starters, I'd say they dont come across as whores and many of them are logical in nature. This is great for me. I have money and they have money so their guard is down as they know I dont need their money to go where I want to go and do what I want to do. You know?

If I understand it, it's the idea that money wouldn't be a factor & so the relationship would be based on personal connections- something much more reliable in tough times (I'd definitely think that one is likely to inform on you in certain kinds of tough times). The Jewish women, from what I understand, are NOTORIOUS for not being passionate- like the polar opposite of Latinas, on that level. Might explain some things. Might be that they WANT to, but there's kind of a hold-back that causes a physical situation- like a guy that is attracted to a woman, but doesn't quite get hard because he things it's dirty or something. Just ideas.

I wouldn't say Jewish woman are notoriously passionate. I have know a few older Jewish women who are bored in their marriages and there is no sex, but you could not convince them that leaving their life partner is going to make them happy. They would think you were pure evil. I would say, they are seriously committed. And do not have multiple sexual partners. In america that makes them look more attractive than at least 90% of the population. But again, I am German. lol

I'm surprised to hear about Romania! I was watching a Youtube video where they kept a mosque from being built. I would also think with Vlad Dracula as a national hero (he's the only figure I know of that was defending against an invader that is now described as a villain), they'd be staunch combatants of that particular religion. Bulgaria sounds cool. Not part of Schengen, right? I might have citizenship by then (putting the finishing touches on getting it from Italian heritage- unbelievable how much it takes when Germany is just handing out papers), so I might not have to worry about Schengen time limits. Will remember not to talk too much- don't want to come off like I'm "gracing them with my presence & opinion."

No. Im sorry, Bulgaria is where I saw Mosques. And the situation you're speaking about with Romania is the mosque that was funded by turkey, right? It was to be in Bucharest? Yes. That was supposed to be a bloody huge mosque and Romania resisted it. That is a very big deal because that would have been the mosque to rule them all.

I look forward to the positive culture shock. I've watched Demolition Man so many times & I totally got the reference. It's good to know- I'm thinking the Slavic countries aren't dainty like that, though. Don't want to paint Western Europe with that broad a brush, but it seems they're getting kicked around & grinning like idiots about it (more & more exceptions to that, though- seems the mainstream media doesn't get into that very much). You ever travel to Czechia or Slovakia?

Not so literally, but you'd be surprised none the less. Slavic countries are more like demolition man than what you are accustomed to here. They are more trusting than you might think. But most of Europe will seem that way to YOU after coming out of something so Overpopulated and socially polarized as America is. Slavic countries are beautiful till you began behaving like an American. Like, being loud while talking on the phone in public. You'll see. And racism is different than what you see here in America. One of the things I used to ask all of my American friends was to explain Racism in America to me. Because , back home, racism is more complicated than skin color. Its like, I could grab a rock from south africa and one from Denmark and ask you where each is from and you could not tell me, right? This is very difficult to explain and may be better off having its own thread. But here in America, its as simple as visual appearance. Has nothing to do with where someone was born. Just skin color. Which is rather sad to observe.

In fact, just the other day, I heard a gay person tell a truly racist joke and when I called him on it, he says "I'm gay, I can't be racist." - I laughed at him and told him he is gay and a piece of shit. Then I asked the black guy that was within earshot if that joke made him feel uncomfortable. He said "Yeah, man, I was born here and It sucks being reminded that i'm different. I feel like i'm not an American. And with black folk, this is very dangerous. because most black people in this country are having a faith-based crisis. Maaannn, Worshiping THEIR God is wrong. Because THEIR GOD isn't protecting us from them and their blatant racism and reminders that we are not American." He said this while looking directly at the gay guy who told the joke. The room went quiet. "You're Goddamn right" I said. And I think everybody in the room truly understood where he was and where he might take his faith. Then he smiled and said he likes my accent and asked where I'm from. Hes a really neat guy and he spoke some German. I was impressed.

I digress. I think you will be blown away wherever you go in the western world, Wolfeye. America lives in it own bubble and people here seem afraid to travel. They think just because people from all over the world come here, they don't have to travel anywhere. But the truth of the matter is, power attracts the corruptible and America is very powerful. And many people who can afford to come here can be just as easily corrupted. I'm certainly not here on business. But I do feel like I need to see America before 'The Change' takes place. I do think America's clock is ticking. Thats just me.

[Wolfeye]

Yeah, America's clock does seem like it's ticking. I've heard SO many times "Why do all these people come HERE, then?" when I talk about things that are possibly better in other countries. They never seem to get that this is because America has good REPUTATION. In truth, the reputation is better than a lot of situation. The people come here frequently wanting to get better INCOME- they have the impression that they'll be able to get better money than in their own countries. They get the impression that things are different socially because of movie, tv, etc... . They think that what's there on paper, like in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, is what exists in practice. All these things are from advertising.

I notice that America has a lot of SOCIAL overlap with Sparta. Not a place that would be applauded as much as it is if it weren't for the current goings-on with the Middle East. The movie 300 was big with that & happened in the current conditions- where people really wanted to see some people with towels around their heads getting chopped up. Lots of Puritanical things have continued in a diluted kind of way, too. There's plenty of Prussian/German bullshit & Roman to go with it.

[Quiet_observer]

Yeah, America's clock does seem like it's ticking. I've heard SO many times "Why do all these people come HERE, then?"

I think the better question would be: "How many of the people that come here are actually going for the citizenship?". And another good question could be "Why do so many people visit the middle East?" - I can tell you why im here. But not others. And I assure you, I'm not in it for the citizenship.

when I talk about things that are possibly better in other countries. They never seem to get that this is because America has good REPUTATION. In truth, the reputation is better than a lot of situation. The people come here frequently wanting to get better INCOME- they have the impression that they'll be able to get better money than in their own countries.

Lets be honest... America's media propaganda machine has us in the rest of the world convinced that it is significantly better than it really is. Many of us come here with your media and movies in mind. But honestly, America was great. this adjective 'Great' can be good or bad. Most of what Americans today say makes it great has nothing to do with the accomplishments of their generation. To some degree, America is living vicariously thru its past. To call the American medias bluff is to spend time in America. The same can be said for China and Russia where all their media tells you that they are the number one economy in the world. Whats noteworthy is that Russia, China have no problems telling you that they are a 'Republic'- But America insists on lying to your face and telling you this is a democracy when in reality, Americans are not allowed to vote on bills- Therefore, it is just as much a Republic as the others are. This is the big problem here. People actually think this is a democracy..... And no one is setting the people straight. This is very dangerous. And it becomes more dangerous as the population grows.

They get the impression that things are different socially because of movie, tv, etc... . They think that what's there on paper, like in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, is what exists in practice. All these things are from advertising.

Exactly! America has perfected false advertising. But where are the people's disdain for such false advertising? You know? The people here should be mad as hell- but aren't.

I notice that America has a lot of SOCIAL overlap with Sparta. Not a place that would be applauded as much as it is if it weren't for the current goings-on with the Middle East. The movie 300 was big with that & happened in the current conditions- where people really wanted to see some people with towels around their heads getting chopped up. Lots of Puritanical things have continued in a diluted kind of way, too. There's plenty of Prussian/German bullshit & Roman to go with it.

All 'GREAT' nations go up and come down the same way and with close to similar momentum. This, they have in common. This, will never change. IMHO, A great nation is one who actually sees this historical trend and prevents itself from becoming..... 'GREAT'. From my travels, I can honestly say with some confidence.... Iceland gets it. A nice chunk of Scandinavia gets it. Switzerland gets it. The Faroe Islands get it. Those countries KNOW history well- including their own. These places are no U.S - But they are much happier and have a better life expectancy in not trying to be another U.S either. You know?

[Wolfeye]

Didn't think of that- A LOT of people visit the middle east, from what I understand. The countries you mentioned are interesting on their own, but why are they (some of them) getting hammered by the "refugees"? I'd think they'd apply the same level of insight & functionality that they did with other things. At the very least, the Vikings would not likely have put up with it.

I remember hearing it said that "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it." The thing is that KNOWING history doesn't do anything, just like KNOWING how to shoot someone or break someone's neck isn't going to do anything. That's actually something you see in martial arts pretty frequently: Someone mentally encompasses something & they get a sense of propioceptive sway over it- like thinking that because they know a gun disarm, they'll be able to disarm the person holding the gun. This is very much like the idea of knowing how a gun works will make you able to stop bullets in midair- it's not accurate any more than the idea of knowing the physics of fire will make you able to stop one from burning your house down with nothing more than a flexing/flexion of willpower.

I look forward to the positive culture shock you predicted from going to the Slavic countries from America. I really don't hate EVERYTHING in America, but the good stuff is constantly diluted by the bad to the point where plenty of it is not functionally existent. For example: free speech, self-defense, being able to choose what's done to your own body (like refusing a medical procedure), even walking your child home from school (a father in Tennessee got arrest for that not too long ago & it was because the school wasn't okay with it). I never heard of Russian cops arresting a five year old for splashing in a puddle & the Chinese government just recently promoted people filming the police to hedge against misconduct. America, not so much.

[MrMan]

About the OP.

I've never been anti-lube. I've thought of it as a little extra insurance against getting sore, to ensure more frequent usage later, so we've used it regularly since we first got married. But that's a good point about not being rock hard when the occasion arises. I think I'll point out the lube thing if that ever becomes an issue. I think my wife was surprised some time in my late 30's when I said I wanted sex but my body wasn't as rip roaring, ready to go as I was in my 20's, or I have to go take care of something, and I come back at half mast. I think my readiness in my 20's and 30's spoiled her a bit too much. If she'd have started off thinking it was her job to get me ready, that probably would have been better for her mindset, but I didn't provide her much opportunity in that area.

But you've got to be a bit open to different things, too. A man may need a bit of coaxing to be ready to go. It's his wife's job to get him ready. It's the man's job to get his wife ready. If her clothes are off, and she's not wet, he needs to get her wet. If some men want to use a little lube, that's up to them, and they just need to take it slow at first. Some women dry out when they age and need the extra lube. A wife shouldn't be deprived of sex over such things. Just like a husband shouldn't be deprived of sex if he needs a bit of help to get there. We all get old, and we need to be understanding and not have unreasonable expectations. It's not something to blame the other person over. It's not like a husband is soft on purpose or the wife is dry on purpose. Blaming the other person is being insensitive and can hinder a fun, active, healthy sex life. No one likes to be criticized about their body when they are standing there naked. At least most people don't appreciate it.

I'd rather my wife be dry when I take her clothes off than unwilling to take her clothes off. If a man's sex drive is such that he only wants it if he's going to see Niagra Falls, I can see why he'd go MGTOW.

[MrMan]

These are NOT sluts, cornfed. These are upper-middle class and in some cases, are apart of families that are in the 1% here. I'm not saying they cant actually be sluts for these reasons, but they are not the standard fare and are anti-social and tend to hate people. Pressure is her saying no and her body backing it up yet continuing to push for sex. What im talking about is something more sinister than that... Its when the girl says yes but the man sees her body is saying no and choosing not to 'play the game'. I can see why so many AMERICAN men get bogus rape charges levied against them. Its really clever. She says "Go ahead and do it" yet her body is telling you no and so you do it anyways and wonder why you're in a courtroom hearing her refer to it as 'rape'....5...10.. or even more years later. As long as she says its ok, men are desperate enough to dive right in and go to town on it. When in reality, they should really pay more attention to the signs. And point out that her body isn't in agreement with her. Just because she says its ok to have sex doesnt mean its really ok to actually have sex. So many men in America are in prison over such technicalities.

I haven't gone through and read rape trial proceedings in detail. Do you have any reason to think that how wet she was would be used as evidence to back up an accusation of rape? I suppose if there was some damage, bruises or tears, that could be evidence for rape. But if the two of them used lube, he wouldn't have to start out rough. But it doesn't make sense to me, since if a woman is wet and aroused, that is not a defense in favor of rape.

These are all problems of fornicators, not married people. One of the messed up things about our legal system is that, though some laws about sex from common law were originally decided by judges with some sense who assumed marriage as a part of society, many of those interpreting the law now are influenced by a culture where fornication is considered the norm.

When married couples have sex, the husband should not have to worry that he will be charged with rape. In spite of the marital rape laws, usually it is not a serious reason to fear. If a couple separates and has sex, the wife could have a stronger case if she wanted to bring a fake rape charge.

If you go around sleeping with really drunk girls who you have no relationship with who wake up next to you in a puddle of goo and don't remember coming on to you, then you may be in danger of the false rape charge. But that's one of the many dangers nd risks of fornication.

[MrMan]

I have never experienced this or ever seen a woman use lube. From my experience, and I must be around the 50 Mark but can't remember the exact number, they all get very wet. The current one I need to change the sheets after. She leaves a flood.

I thought that happens at the end of the deed, or a couple of times throughout, rather than at the beginning. But I've only been with one woman.

[MrMan]

Whereas the glycerin lubes can sometimes cause a yeast infection, though I've never met a woman who had a yeast infection from glycerin lube, so maybe this is just an urban rumor cooked up by the silicone lube manufacturers.

Coconut oil is not really my thing because the texture is not quite slick enough for skin to skin type contact, IMO, and water-based clean up is easier. But they say it fights against yeast infections. And some people love it, and it's really cheap in the US. It does make a good massage oil, and its edible. You can leave it on the kitchen counter and no one will question it.

[Quiet_observer]

Didn't think of that- A LOT of people visit the middle east, from what I understand. The countries you mentioned are interesting on their own, but why are they (some of them) getting hammered by the "refugees"?

Well.... Why is America being hammered by Illegal immigrants from Mexico? Easy answer is Because Mexico is closer to America as pro-islamic countries are to Europe.

I'd think they'd apply the same level of insight & functionality that they did with other things. At the very least, the Vikings would not likely have put up with it.

hmmm.. Not quite so sure about that one. But I understand the angle you're approaching it from

I remember hearing it said that "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it." The thing is that KNOWING history doesn't do anything, just like KNOWING how to shoot someone or break someone's neck isn't going to do anything.

I disagree. Knowing history is IMPORTANT. Knowing what works and dont work saves one time. If you dont know you're own history, that is trouble. I think the rulers of America wants people to forget about its history- thats for sure. Knowledge is knowledge. Its Boolean in nature. You either know or don't know. Firing a gun is a combination of many things that are not as simple as 1 or 0. You cant use this example to justify why knowing history doesn't mean anything... I get your angle here. But its doesn't work so well in this context.

I look forward to the positive culture shock you predicted from going to the Slavic countries from America. I really don't hate EVERYTHING in America, but the good stuff is constantly diluted by the bad to the point where plenty of it is not functionally existent. For example: free speech, self-defense, being able to choose what's done to your own body (like refusing a medical procedure), even walking your child home from school (a father in Tennessee got arrest for that not too long ago & it was because the school wasn't okay with it). I never heard of Russian cops arresting a five year old for splashing in a puddle & the Chinese government just recently promoted people filming the police to hedge against misconduct. America, not so much.

Yep. America is not a democracy. Regardless of the dribble your patriotic friends may say, keep reminding yourself that America is every bit a Republic as ever other country it mocks in its media. My favorite american is George Carlin. He has already said 90% of what ive said here. hehe. Romania is cake. Bulgaria is cake too.. but you have to know how to act.

[Quiet_observer]

I'd rather my wife be dry when I take her clothes off than unwilling to take her clothes off. If a man's sex drive is such that he only wants it if he's going to see Niagra Falls, I can see why he'd go MGTOW.

O.K ( in third person this time ):

-The op isnt talking about a WIFE
-The op isnt an American
-The op is a German bloodliner visiting America with a lastname that indicates hes from a German 'Money Family'
-American women know this the second he gives his full name at hotels or when he uses his credit card in public.
-Op has seen women go from 'whatever' to 'I want you so bad' after revealing his last name in public. SIck.
-With that said, Op is afraid of American women on American soil. Not his home soil. They cant get away with the kind of murder back home that they can here....
-Op knows its their word against his. And in an american court op knows he would easily be squeezed for money.
-Op is on a different level..... ( Not trying to be cocky here ) MGTOW makes sense to OP especially in America... Where, if some broad tried to take him to court, the courts would see his last name and try to squeeze money out of him on principal alone and in favor of some undeserving broad....
-Op knows you cant trust American women. The society is extremely gynocentric ... and not in a way the op would appreciate


Yes, this whole thing started out on using lub, but... Its a lot more complicated than lube, I'm afraid. It has also moved on to something else. lol