Why you're wrong about Communism

[MrPeabody]

Here is Bob Avakian's website. You can click on one of the 7 talks and find mp3 you can listen too or put on your Ipod.

http://bobavakian.net/audio.html

[Moretorque]

Here is Bob Avakian's website. You can click on one of the 7 talks and find mp3 you can listen too or put on your Ipod.

http://bobavakian.net/audio.html

I went through it and did not see anything about fractional reserve lending of made up #'s in a book entry and loaning it out at interest and calling it money the reason we are here economically because this debt based system. Yes Mr. Peabody the credit monopoly.

This is the thing about communism, you will never here the communist talk about their counterfeiting operation and how they use it to manipulate everything into the dictators favors through fraud.

As DR. Ron Paul has stated honest money honest civilization.

[Moretorque]

It's as interesting exercise of thinking outside the matrix to consider the Communist point of view since they have been so demonized by the Western capitalist establishment. When Stalin was enacting his 5 year plan, the Soviet Union outperformed the West in productivity, which was why many third world countries at that time decided to try the Soviet model. The Communists liberated millions of people in Russia and China from societies which were still under feudalism. In the West we are taught that Communism killed people, but the Capitalists actually killed far more people, including supporting slavery which was the backbone of the first Industrial Revolution and killing the native American Indians. Communism isn't inherently authoritarian and anarcho-Communists were libertarian.

Listen to some of the talks of Bob Avakian who is a highly logical thinker and presents his point of view in a common sense and down-to-earth way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hERCRU ... 3&index=63

The reason the Soviets outperformed the west was the credit monopoly the same people who financed the overthrow of the czarist Russian monarchy had their financial termites causing the great depression over here in the US by retracting the fiat paper money they controlled.

Most modern Soviet technologies just like the bomb were stolen from the West.

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[Winston]

Check this out. In 1943, the US under the behest of FDR made a pro-communist film to glorify Stalin and the USSR because they were American allies, and also funded by the same Zionist bankers as the US too of course. lol. The film was called "Mission to Moscow". Here is the storyline and trailer.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036166/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Ambassador Joseph Davies is sent by FDR to Russia to learn about the Soviet system and returns to America as an advocate of Stalinism.

Storyline

"Mission to Moscow" was made at the behest of F.D.R. in order to garner more support for the Soviet Union during WWII. It was from the book by Joseph E. Davies, former U.S. Ambassador To Russia. The movie covers the political machinations in Moscow just before the start of the war and presents Stalin's Russia in a very favorable light. So much so, that the movie was cited years later by the House Un-American Activities Commission and was largely responsible for the screenwriter, Howard Koch being Blacklisted.

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[viet]

Avaikan has been around since the days of comunism. He's one of the few people who still talk about it. I've read some of his stuff and like it. Kapitalists always label comunism as "diktatorship", but if you think about it, kapitalism is actually more of a diktatorship than comunism is. Under comunism, power is given to workers, and farmers. In a kapitalist society, power is given to bankers, lawyers, doctors, bourgeoisie, hollywood directors. The number of workers, and farmers far outnumber bankers, lawyers, bankers, doctors, and bourgeoisie. Judging by this alone, comunism is more demokratic than kapitalism. Kapitalists also love to say "Stalin killed millions of people", but actually kapitalists killed 50 million Native Amerikans. This fact, however, is white washed. Kapitalism also enslaved millions of Africans, and brought them over to Amerika. Let's also not forget that it's the kapitalist system that enables people like Steve Spilberg to molest little kids, and no one ever bothers to arrest them. In fact, it seems like the kapitalist system is continuously covering up their crimes. Talk to anyone from a comunist country and they will tell you that crime was never an issue in any comunist country, but look at all the countries who have since become kapitalist like China, Eastern Europe, Russia, etc, they will tell you that crime rates skyrocketed in all of these countries the minute they went kapitalist. As one Chinese friend told me, each year was worse than the last ever since 78. And it wasn't just crimes. Peoples morals, and values all took a dive. Kapitalists like to associate freedom with kapitalism, but the kinds of freedoms associated with kapitalism just aren't relevant to most peoples lives. Kapitalism promotes things like homosexuality, slutty clothes, drugs, alcoholism. These are all freedoms you can live without and are probably better off without. In the areas where freedom actually matters, kapitalist countries are generally authoritarian. The kaptalist US has more prisoners per capita than anyone else, 6 times more than China. The truth of the matter is, you can get arrested for just about anything in kapitalist countries, and do hard time. There was a Hispanic man who was sentenced to 8 years for spray painting grafiti. You had dozens of men thrown in prison via "to catch a predator" for sending naked pictures of themselves to grown men pretending to be kids online baiting these men. Meanwhile, you got guys like Spilberg, and David Gefen regularly banging kids and they live luxurious lives. One of the things that is most unfair about kapitalism is how cops can beat suspects, and then turn around and accuse the suspects of beating them. 99% of the time, kapitalist cops are protected by the system, and never brought to justice. In comunist societies, they don't even need cops. In my hometown of 60,000 people, there were only 2 cops during the comunist era. In a kapitalist society, 200 cops couldn't be enough. Kapitalism also attracts all sorts of unsavory characters. You look at western countries, and they take in these so called "refugees", and these guys are basically kapitalists from comunist countries. They usually help western powers attack their own country, and in return, they are granted refugee status, but the majority of these guys have serious problems. You look at the Russian mafia, and it's made up of these people. The Laotian Amerikan community, plagued with crime. Gee, I wonder why. Vietnamese-Amerikan/French comunity. Same sort of situation. Chinese/HK Canadian comunity. Why is it no wonder that these kapitalist Chinese/HK/TW Canadians(who denounce their home country) are the ones growing all the dope, and distributing it. Triad/die hard kapitalists are the ones who fled comunism so they could go abroad and comit crimes, and you want to blame comunism for going after them? Just goes to show where values of those who oppose comunism are. No one wants to bring up that Cho Seung Hui was from south Korea, who opposed the north Korean comunists, and look at the kind of crazy shet he does. There was another south Korean lunatic One L Goh who shot up a California school. You never really hear about north Korean gangs, but south Korean gangs are everywhere. And who can forget Chai Vang, another kapitalist poster child who helped the west attempt to colonize a socialist Laos. When that failed, Vang even joined the US military. Decades later, his skills would be used on a group of white Amerikans. That's why I always laugh when I see these kapitalist imigrants go to the west and comit crimes. The establishment wants to praise kapitalism, and kapitalists, then it is these very kapitalist poster children who are going to the west to kill people, do drive bys, and sell dope to white kids. This is part of the reason why the west has so much crime. Kapitalism can't separate itself from dodgy characters.

[Winston]

Interesting lecture by Noam Chomsky where he explains why Trotsky and Stalin undermined true marxism to establish a dictatorship. Hence the Soviet Union was not true marxism. Is there such a thing as good and pure marxism that benefits everyone? Chomsky is very intellectual. Does he have a point?

[Lucas88]

Interesting lecture by Noam Chomsky where he explains why Trotsky and Stalin undermined true marxism to establish a dictatorship. Hence the Soviet Union was not true marxism. Is there such a thing as good and pure marxism that benefits everyone? Chomsky is very intellectual. Does he have a point?

Chomsky identifies as a libertarian socialist and is in favor of anarcho-syndicalism, wherein groups of workers directly control the means of production without the involvement of any Soviet-style authoritarian government. He's largely critical of Marxism as well as many of the ideas of Marx himself which lend themselves to dogmatism and authoritarianism.

Socialism isn't synonymous with Marxism. In fact, there are or have been various strains of socialism, some of which predate Marxism (e.g., the Utopian Socialism of Charles Fourier, the Scientific Socialism of Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, etc.) and even influenced Marx's writings. Marxism is just one economic theory and ideology within a broader left-wing milieu.

The early forms of socialism arose in Europe as a natural response to the brutal exploitation of the proletariat and the horrendous living conditions that they endured during the Industrial Revolution. Some of these movements were probably quite noble in their intentions, reflected the Enlightenment values of their time, and, in the cases of Fourier and Proudhon, even voiced opposition to the Jewish control of finance!!!

Marxism, on the other hand, was nothing more than an authoritarian ideology concocted by Marx at the behest of the financial elites themselves and was used to transform the masses into propertyless cattle completely subordinate to a totalitarian state governed by a privileged few. This shouldn't be surprising given that Marx came from a Talmudic rabbinical lineage. Marx essentially co-opted the preexisting socialist label and asserted that only his form of socialism was "scientific".

Is there any form of good and pure socialism that can benefit everyone?

I don't know if any of the hitherto proposed forms of non-Marxist socialism can be made to work on a large scale (e.g., a nation state), but all existing ideologies are bound to become obsolete in the face of the Technological Singularity (estimated to arrive a few decades from now), which will inevitably revolutionize all facets of human life and bring about a new Transhumanist world.

Any post-Singularity economic system will likely include communist-like elements — at least for its elite class — as automation takes care of all industrial tasks except those few that require exceptional human ingenuity (e.g., scientific endeavors), while nanotechnology and other emergent sciences give rise to a condition of post-scarcity. The current capitalist arrangement, with workers who exchange their time and labor for income and a market economy predicated on supply and demand, will simply become obsolete.

However, I think that such a Transhumanist vision for the world goes hand in hand with elitism and will almost certainly be opposed by most socialist types, who will decry its use of genetic engineering for human enhancement and accuse it of attempting to create a master race or privileged elite caste. After all, the socialist values "equality" above all else.

The unsettling truth is that we are perhaps just 20 years away from the Technological Singularity and a Transhumanist future yet the majority of the human population is quite frankly too retarded for such an evolutionary leap and will have no place within it. The typical person of our age is merely a mindless NPC serf who can envision nothing else but some menial job for a wage (soon to be taken over by AI) and entertainment in the form of YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, pro sports, etc. — the "Last Man" whose emergence Nietzsche foresaw more than a century earlier. Furthermore, many will reactively object to human enhancement because of their dumb fairytale slave religion, humanitarian values, etc.

In light of this, I can even understand why the globalist elites, who certainly have Transhumanist aspirations for themselves, have decided to push the depopulation agenda.

I myself as a forward-thinking and progressive individual — a man of a Promethean mindset — view Transhumanism as a genuine vehicle for the creation of a better world. I'm talking about cognitive enhancement, gene editing for optimal beauty, elimination of drudgery, pursuit of longevity and immortality, etc. Unfortunately, what stands in the way of this higher vision is the regressive masses, most likely with the egalitarian socialist types screaming the loudest.