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Which country that you have lived in has the most freedom?

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What country that you have lived in (Not just visited for a few weeks on vacation) has the most freedom?

I am thinking of these areas:

1) Freedom of speech. Not only to be free of arrest for speaking but not being curtailed by political correctness.
2) Freedom to won Private property
3) Freedom of religion or to be atheist
4) Freedom to hire prostitutes
5) Freedom to own guns
6) Freedom to use guns in defense of death or great bodily harm, rape or kidnapping without going to prison or being sued.
7) Freedom to gamble

It seams other than freedom to own guns and carry guns with a permit is the USA any more free than Europe or Thailand? In the USA the constitution keeps you from being arrested for speaking but you can get cancelled or fired at work for
saying none PC stuff. I am talking about reasonable non PC stuff not threatening or way out there extreme stuff.


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Most nations are more free than America. America is the least free compared to Europe and even Asia.

You should probably add "Freedom to buy pharmaceuticals like viagra, asthma medicine, etc without a doctor's prescription."
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florida johny wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 7:10 am
What country that you have lived in (Not just visited for a few weeks on vacation) has the most freedom?

I am thinking of these areas:

1) Freedom of speech. Not only to be free of arrest for speaking but not being curtailed by political correctness.
2) Freedom to won Private property
3) Freedom of religion or to be atheist
4) Freedom to hire prostitutes
5) Freedom to own guns
6) Freedom to use guns in defense of death or great bodily harm, rape or kidnapping without going to prison or being sued.
7) Freedom to gamble

It seams other than freedom to own guns and carry guns with a permit is the USA any more free than Europe or Thailand? In the USA the constitution keeps you from being arrested for speaking but you can get cancelled or fired at work for
saying none PC stuff. I am talking about reasonable non PC stuff not threatening or way out there extreme stuff.
THE USA... You dont have any of these freedoms in SEA, not even #4, its just selectively enforced
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florida johny wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 7:10 am
What country that you have lived in (Not just visited for a few weeks on vacation) has the most freedom?

I am thinking of these areas:

1) Freedom of speech. Not only to be free of arrest for speaking but not being curtailed by political correctness.
2) Freedom to won Private property
3) Freedom of religion or to be atheist
4) Freedom to hire prostitutes
5) Freedom to own guns
6) Freedom to use guns in defense of death or great bodily harm, rape or kidnapping without going to prison or being sued.
7) Freedom to gamble.
Probably you don't consistently have those freedoms anywhere in the world. You would have to be in the right region of a country or know the right people. The closest I ever heard of in the past was Cambodia in the 1990s.
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florida johny wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 7:10 am
What country that you have lived in (Not just visited for a few weeks on vacation) has the most freedom?

I am thinking of these areas:

1) Freedom of speech. Not only to be free of arrest for speaking but not being curtailed by political correctness.
2) Freedom to won Private property
3) Freedom of religion or to be atheist
4) Freedom to hire prostitutes
5) Freedom to own guns
6) Freedom to use guns in defense of death or great bodily harm, rape or kidnapping without going to prison or being sued.
7) Freedom to gamble
Nevada has 'freedom' to gamble and go to prostitutes. I don't think the prostitute 'freedom' is a good one to have. And gambling brings with it crime and people throwing away the babies milk money.

There are different types of freedom. One is freedom from regulations. I have thought Indonesia was free in a lot of ways. I think you have to choose one of the five legal religions, but it's mainly just for the ID card, and they may allow opt-outs now. Prostitution and guns are illegal, and so is gambling. Free speech is curtailed by blasphemy laws. Foreigners can only own 'air space' and private property rights do not include mineral rights. The government owns those.

What they do have is freedom, for the most part, from the enforcement of business regulations and a lack of health inspections. If you are poor and you can scrape up some wood, a couple of bicycle wheels and some cooking equipment (e.g. the cooking gas tank from your kitchen and some other stuff), nails and a hammer, you can put together a noodle cart and sell noodles in a neighborhood to support yourself. You can sell newspapers on the street. You used to be able to, at least. I say 'you'. I don't know if a white or black person could do so, but a local could, and earn a living. There is freedom from health inspections, etc.

Street vendors will take over lanes that are for cars, actually. After a while, police come through, confiscate their stuff, and they start filling in the place again.

So they are lower on some freedoms, but low enforcement allows for some economic opportunities on the low end. In the US, most people think they have to work for a business, working for other people.
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If you mean freedom to do whatever it is that you want, then I would say Russia and Philippines. However if you are talking about political freedoms or freedom from corruption and scams, or freedom to make money and get a good job, that's another matter.

If you mean freedom to be yourself and connect with people who are alive, soulful, and lively, and freedom to flirt with women without taboo, then any country outside of North America and NE Asia has more freedom in that sense.

What I hate is that the US media knows there is no freedom in America, so they CHANGE the definition of freedom to mean voting in an election in our "sacred democracy". Every time they talk about freedom, they talk about it in that context. But that's NOT the definition of freedom. Freedom is the ability to do what you want and love without hindrance. But you don't have that in America, so the media has to change the definition to mean voting in a democracy, which doesn't even matter since voting doesn't change anything, and your vote is only one vote anyway. As Mark Twain said: "If voting could change anything, they wouldn't let us do it." So it's a USELESS freedom, but that is what the stupid US media focuses on. They cannot be that dumb, no one can, so they must be actively involved in DECEPTION.
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Tsar wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 7:35 am
Most nations are more free than America. America is the least free compared to Europe and even Asia.
You should probably add "Freedom to buy pharmaceuticals like viagra, asthma medicine, etc without a doctor's prescription."
It depends on the health system of the country. Here in Japan you cannot buy any prescription medicine without a signature of a medical doctor.
However every Japanese citizen, who has a registered address in Japan and every foreigner with legal status in Japan (except tourists and diplomats) are covered by the Japanese national health insurance for any kind of accident and illness, including medicine. -

To visit my doctors near my home (dermatology, ophthalmology, orthopedics, dentist, otolaryngologist, internal medicine) for advice and prescription costs only about USD 3,- to USD 6,- per visit (special medicine must be picked up in a pharmacy) to USD 20,- to USD 30,- (including many kinds of common medicine are available within the doctor's clinic), yearly general health checks and some vaccinations are free of charge.

The Japanese health insurance covers almost everything, even partially (60 %) medical emergency in case you stay abroad up to 2 months.
It covers dental treatment like crowns (I paid USD 60,- for root canal and colored crown), it offers support money in case of elderly care homes.

The Japanese health insurance however does not cover abortion and birth which are not considered as illness or accident. However it covers medical checkup and treatment during pregnancy. It also does not cover any beauty surgery. You have to ask for estimates and pay out of your own wallet.

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About USA, all and everything regarding to medical care is seriously overpriced, many people do not even have health insurance.
This is not the case everywhere worldwide.
I had two times eye surgery a while ago, (same medical problem both times) and was asking just for fun for an estimate from an eye-clininc in USA by email - the reply USD 2000,-

in Thailand in one of the most expensive private eye-clinics the estimate was USD 360,-. It took 45 minutes. Perfectly done.

Back in Japan, a year later, same problem with the other eye. My eye doctor in Japan was charging me USD 50,- any other fees were paid by the health insurance.

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About freedom, I do not need 'freedom' to buy medicine without prescription. Not in Japan for sure.
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Yohan wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 10:15 pm

The Japanese health insurance however does not cover abortion and birth which are not considered as illness or accident. However it covers medical checkup and treatment during pregnancy. It also does not cover any beauty surgery. You have to ask for estimates and pay out of your own wallet.

I seem to recall that Japan has had difficulty building up a population of working adults to work to replace the baby boomers, so considering how they order their society in other ways, I am surprise childbirth, at least in marriage, is not covered by health insurance.
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florida johny wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 7:10 am
What country that you have lived in (Not just visited for a few weeks on vacation) has the most freedom?
I am thinking of these areas:
1) Freedom of speech. Not only to be free of arrest for speaking but not being curtailed by political correctness.
2) Freedom to won Private property
3) Freedom of religion or to be atheist
4) Freedom to hire prostitutes
5) Freedom to own guns
6) Freedom to use guns in defense of death or great bodily harm, rape or kidnapping without going to prison or being sued.
7) Freedom to gamble
It seams other than freedom to own guns and carry guns with a permit is the USA any more free than Europe or Thailand? In the USA the constitution keeps you from being arrested for speaking but you can get cancelled or fired at work for
saying none PC stuff. I am talking about reasonable non PC stuff not threatening or way out there extreme stuff.
The list needs some additional 'freedom requirements' - countries are not all the same...laws are different from country to country.

In my case, both countries are fairly good about freedom, no complaints.

About Japan,
1, 2, 3, no problem at all up to you, Japanese or foreign permanent resident (foreigner cannot own some kind of land - like forests, rivers, rice-fields etc. but can be owner in a land title 100 % condominium units (even as a tourist), own house+land, his own shop...)
4 - no problem if both are 20+ and if is done out of sight from public places in private rooms
5, 6, general prohibition of owning weapons (not limited only to guns, but swords etc. too)
7 no casino-style activity permitted in Japan, but your money might be gone for playing pachinko, slot machines, mahjong...plenty of such places everywhere.

About my native country in Austria (EU)
1, 3, 4 no problem
2 - not so easy to own property as a foreigner, especially not as a second home in tourist regions. Depends on your citizenship (EU or outside EU) etc.
5 - Guns, there are 2 kind of permits, to own a gun kept always within your home or your shop etc. (easy) or to be allowed to carry a gun with you ready to fire live bullets anytime (very difficult)
6 - self defence with your gun is OK in case of defending your own life in case of attack
7 - yes, also casino activity

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About USA - freedom to leave USA is fairly good, the USA passport is not bad at all if you travel as an individual abroad, you can take your own money with you and the USD as a currency is accepted worldwide.
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Yohan wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 10:45 pm
florida johny wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 7:10 am
What country that you have lived in (Not just visited for a few weeks on vacation) has the most freedom?
I am thinking of these areas:
1) Freedom of speech. Not only to be free of arrest for speaking but not being curtailed by political correctness.
2) Freedom to won Private property
3) Freedom of religion or to be atheist
4) Freedom to hire prostitutes
5) Freedom to own guns
6) Freedom to use guns in defense of death or great bodily harm, rape or kidnapping without going to prison or being sued.
7) Freedom to gamble
It seams other than freedom to own guns and carry guns with a permit is the USA any more free than Europe or Thailand? In the USA the constitution keeps you from being arrested for speaking but you can get cancelled or fired at work for
saying none PC stuff. I am talking about reasonable non PC stuff not threatening or way out there extreme stuff.
The list needs some additional 'freedom requirements' - countries are not all the same...laws are different from country to country.

In my case, both countries are fairly good about freedom, no complaints.

About Japan,
1, 2, 3, no problem at all up to you, Japanese or foreign permanent resident (foreigner cannot own some kind of land - like forests, rivers, rice-fields etc. but can be owner in a land title 100 % condominium units (even as a tourist), own house+land, his own shop...)
4 - no problem if both are 20+ and if is done out of sight from public places in private rooms
5, 6, general prohibition of owning weapons (not limited only to guns, but swords etc. too)
7 no casino-style activity permitted in Japan, but your money might be gone for playing pachinko, slot machines, mahjong...plenty of such places everywhere.

About my native country in Austria (EU)
1, 3, 4 no problem
2 - not so easy to own property as a foreigner, especially not as a second home in tourist regions. Depends on your citizenship (EU or outside EU) etc.
5 - Guns, there are 2 kind of permits, to own a gun kept always within your home or your shop etc. (easy) or to be allowed to carry a gun with you ready to fire live bullets anytime (very difficult)
6 - self defence with your gun is OK in case of defending your own life in case of attack
7 - yes, also casino activity

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About USA - freedom to leave USA is fairly good, the USA passport is not bad at all if you travel as an individual abroad, you can take your own money with you and the USD as a currency is accepted worldwide.
I was actually surprised to find out that there are actually quite a lot of firearm owners in Germany and Austria. However in terms of rights the best place is for the time being the usa. I heard that zambia has pretty lax gun laws but I maybe mistaken
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MrMan wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 10:25 pm
I seem to recall that Japan has had difficulty building up a population of working adults to work to replace the baby boomers, so considering how they order their society in other ways, I am surprise childbirth, at least in marriage, is not covered by health insurance.
Opinions are divided about that, Japan had 127 million people at peak, now about 125 million, still declining, but many urban areas are clearly overpopulated. Rent and buy a home is too expensive. Not so few Japanese people think, a slow reduction of the population back to not more than 100 million people is not bad at all for the small country and missing people can often be replaced by automatization in many places like farmers in agriculture or even nurses in hospitals.

Many areas in Japan are nothing but small islands or mountain forests etc., totally unfit for living.

Japanese health insurance is firm about that issue as both is legal - birth and abortion - and it rejects the suggestion that birth and abortion (and beauty surgery like breast implants etc) should be considered as 'accident or illness'.

However many cities and rural municipalities in Japan are offering some 'welcome cash bonus' after birth and offer otherwise support material for free in case of birth. Especially in rural areas, where population is very old and there are only few young people living there...but birth support is not the same everywhere in Japan, depends on the ward office, where you are living.
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