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Here is my thought: often times, when someone leaves the US for tax reasons, they can't come back. What if I said I wanted to leave because the US is Puritanical, and I want some young hotties ? I wonder if that would be a legitimate reason? If so, bye bye cup cake ! (This is my alternative if the girl I am talking with turns sour).

zacb wrote:Here is my thought: often times, when someone leaves the US for tax reasons, they can't come back. What if I said I wanted to leave because the US is Puritanical, and I want some young hotties ? I wonder if that would be a legitimate reason? If so, bye bye cup cake ! (This is my alternative if the girl I am talking with turns sour).

Often?
Where have you seen someone who left for tax reasons barred from coming back on that basis?
Have any articles on this?

Anyway, you could do it but you would risk public ridicule.

Like if I wanted to date a chick in Sweden, were the age of consent is 15. Would giving this reason for expatriating be valid? Perhaps I was thinking of Senator Chucky's comments on Ed Saverin. Does the exit tax still apply to non tax renounciations, or just to tax ones? And would that ta xbe only on income, or all assets?

zacb wrote:Like if I wanted to date a chick in Sweden, were the age of consent is 15. Would giving this reason for expatriating be valid? Perhaps I was thinking of Senator Chucky's comments on Ed Saverin. Does the exit tax still apply to non tax renounciations, or just to tax ones? And would that ta xbe only on income, or all assets?

1) If you gave up your citizenship for that purpose and she dumps you, then what?
That would be dumb. Anyway, you have to secure another passport before giving up your U.S. one.
Also, if you couldn't legally "date" her in the USA, it is illegal to travel overseas for that purpose.
Americans have been cuffed for this reason, in relation certain S.E.A. destinations.

2) The IRS uses a formula based on your net wealth and recent annual income, to determine if you renounced for tax purposes.
The exit tax applies to assets, too.
As for the particulars, the IRS has all manner of publications free to download from their site.

Well, not just for that purpose, but for assets mainly, but use that as a cover . And does that rule apply even after you expatriate (renounce)? I was just using Sweden as an example, but it gets to the gist of it, and putting aside the attitudes of the women. So basically, if you renounce (which would not just be for that reason), would I be able to date almost anyone I wanted? or would the US still have a claim on me?

Teal Lantern wrote:

zacb wrote:Like if I wanted to date a chick in Sweden, were the age of consent is 15. Would giving this reason for expatriating be valid? Perhaps I was thinking of Senator Chucky's comments on Ed Saverin. Does the exit tax still apply to non tax renounciations, or just to tax ones? And would that ta xbe only on income, or all assets?

1) If you gave up your citizenship for that purpose and she dumps you, then what?
That would be dumb. Anyway, you have to secure another passport before giving up your U.S. one.
Also, if you couldn't legally "date" her in the USA, it is illegal to travel overseas for that purpose.
Americans have been cuffed for this reason, in relation certain S.E.A. destinations.

2) The IRS uses a formula based on your net wealth and recent annual income, to determine if you renounced for tax purposes.
The exit tax applies to assets, too.
As for the particulars, the IRS has all manner of publications free to download from their site.

If the age of consent is 15 in a foreign country and you consensually bang some 15-year old girlfriends from that foreign country in that foreign country, why would you get in trouble with the USA authorities? Wherever you are, only that country's laws apply to you, and, in this case, you would be good to go.

Teal Lantern wrote:Once you get your new citizenship, you're under the rules of the new country.
Just know that the old country can still conduct a drone strike, if you get out of hand.
Oh, and nations can revoke your citizenship, so don't be a screw-up or they'll send your azz right back to Babylon.

I doubt the will do that, unless I start reproducing like rabbits and form a new social movement, [sarcasm on]The New White Panther Movement XD . [/sarcasm off] Or if I start a new country like Minerva, or closer to me, Beaver Island , Mi .

rudder wrote:

Teal Lantern wrote:

zacb wrote:Like if I wanted to date a chick in Sweden, were the age of consent is 15. Would giving this reason for expatriating be valid? Perhaps I was thinking of Senator Chucky's comments on Ed Saverin. Does the exit tax still apply to non tax renounciations, or just to tax ones? And would that ta xbe only on income, or all assets?

1) If you gave up your citizenship for that purpose and she dumps you, then what?
That would be dumb. Anyway, you have to secure another passport before giving up your U.S. one.
Also, if you couldn't legally "date" her in the USA, it is illegal to travel overseas for that purpose.
Americans have been cuffed for this reason, in relation certain S.E.A. destinations.

2) The IRS uses a formula based on your net wealth and recent annual income, to determine if you renounced for tax purposes.
The exit tax applies to assets, too.
As for the particulars, the IRS has all manner of publications free to download from their site.

If the age of consent is 15 in a foreign country and you consensually bang some 15-year old girlfriends from that foreign country in that foreign country, why would you get in trouble with the USA authorities? Wherever you are, only that country's laws apply to you, and, in this case, you would be good to go.

If caught, you would face federal charges unless you had obtained citizenship in said country and then renounced your US citizenship.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003

The age of consent that is enforced for US citizens is either 16 years old, or an age difference of four years for citizens 20 years old or younger. If charged, you will spend many, many years in prison, up to a life sentence depending on past criminal history.

I don't plan on doing anything wrong. I was just wondering about if I renounced. I would be an ass to do that before renouncing. Hell, I don't want to have to pepper my angus in prison /

zacb wrote:I don't plan on doing anything wrong. I was just wondering about if I renounced. I would be an a** to do that before renouncing. Hell, I don't want to have to pepper my angus in prison /

lol you would have to be full retarded to go chasing jailbait before you renounced. All it would take is one tourist making a call to the FBI about you and your 15 year old girl for you to be locked up in a federal pen with some dude treating you like his 15 year old girl for the next 20 years.

Ask an accountant....

Good work, HouseMD, on digging up the actual law & explaining it better than I could.
It seems, anymore, trying to steer a guy away from major trouble is met with someone else egging him on.

Traveling American citizens need to understand that they can be subject to two sets of laws - America's and those of the host country.
Imagine zacb in shackles, in some fed court, trying to employ rudder's "good to go" defense on a sex charge.

HouseMD wrote:

rudder wrote: If the age of consent is 15 in a foreign country and you consensually bang some 15-year old girlfriends from that foreign country in that foreign country, why would you get in trouble with the USA authorities? Wherever you are, only that country's laws apply to you, and, in this case, you would be good to go.

If caught, you would face federal charges unless you had obtained citizenship in said country and then renounced your US citizenship.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003

The age of consent that is enforced for US citizens is either 16 years old, or an age difference of four years for citizens 20 years old or younger. If charged, you will spend many, many years in prison, up to a life sentence depending on past criminal history.

Teal Lantern wrote:Good work, HouseMD, on digging up the actual law & explaining it better than I could.
It seems, anymore, trying to steer a guy away from major trouble is met with someone else egging him on.

Traveling American citizens need to understand that they can be subject to two sets of laws - America's and those of the host country.
Imagine zacb in shackles, in some fed court, trying to employ rudder's "good to go" defense on a sex charge.

HouseMD wrote:

rudder wrote: If the age of consent is 15 in a foreign country and you consensually bang some 15-year old girlfriends from that foreign country in that foreign country, why would you get in trouble with the USA authorities? Wherever you are, only that country's laws apply to you, and, in this case, you would be good to go.

If caught, you would face federal charges unless you had obtained citizenship in said country and then renounced your US citizenship.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003

The age of consent that is enforced for US citizens is either 16 years old, or an age difference of four years for citizens 20 years old or younger. If charged, you will spend many, many years in prison, up to a life sentence depending on past criminal history.

But, your honor, there was grass on the field!

But you honor, I am a sovereign citizen, subject only to maritime law . XD