A typical summer first-date scene in Chicago.

[traveller]

I wonder how many of you are, like me, thinking of similar type first date scenarios occuring in Chicago, as it appears a few other posters have similar feelings about Chicago.

With innumerable young Chicagoland ladies flocking to the ghetto and hooking up with hardened criminals, the following scenario is what I think a typical present day first hookup in Chicago proper looks like.

We have 2 young people, Joe, and Allison. Joe is a hardened gangster who just recently got out of prison after serving 10 years for armed robbery and is now wanted for shooting a police officer and stealing his shot gun, then robbing a bank of $125,000 at gunpoint, shooting and killing a security guard and three tellers in the process, and is presently living in Hyde Park. Allison is a typical Illinois woman from west suburban Wheaton who just broke up with her 5th boyfriend because he got laid off from his job due to the bad economy, and has moved to Hyde Park from Wheaton.

One sunny warm Summer afternoon, Joe is attending a baseball game in Jackson Park near 63rd st/Hayes drive and South Stony Island Avenue (a horribly violent, extremely bad neighborhood!) when Allison also comes in and joins others on the bleachers watching the game. Right after the game ends, Joe approaches Allison and the two begin to converse.

Joe; "Hi there, how are you?"
Allison; "I'm doing great, how are you?"
Joe; "Good. Wanna hang out with me this evening?"
Allison; "Ah, no. Maybe some other time."
Joe's shirt flutters in a sudden gust of wind, and Allison sees the shotgun Joe stole from the officer the other day, plus a huge pouchfull of cash from Joe's most recent robbery
Allison; "Wait. Actually, I would love to hang out with you."
Joe; "Sounds great. How about the Hard Rock Cafe?"
Allison; "Sure."
Allison and Joe introduce themselves to each other
Allison; "Got a car?"
Joe; "Right this way!"
Just then, a westbound Luxury Limo Bus on East Hayes Drive stops at a red light at the intersection of South Stony Island Avenue
Joe; "There's a cool looking vehicle right there, I'll fetch it for us if you'd like."
Allison; "Excellent idea! Go for it!"
Joe rushes the limo bus, pulls out his shot gun, and blasts the driver right through his head, splattering blood and brains all over and killing him instantly. Allison jumps for joy laughing, runs over, and both steal the driver's wallet, clothes, they strip the driver down to his underwear and then toss his body out into the middle of the street. They then look through the stolen wallet and use the driver's clothes to clean up the blood and guts spattered throughout the cab of the bus.
Allison; "Wow! You did such an awesome job sugar! This is the best car I have ever seen in my life! Thumbing through the driver's wallet And look at all the cash and credit card receipts we have! Let's go somewhere more luxurious, Joe!"
Joe; "What do you have in mind?"
Allison; "How about the Everest Restaurant?"
Joe; "Excellent idea, Allison! Off we go!"

[MattHanson1990]

This says a lot why you want to stay out of Illinois. Other dating markets in America aren't as dysfunctional, but still you want to leave America to find decent women, especially if you live in Illinois. For those of you lonely dateless guys in Chicagoland, all you need to do is go to O'Hare International Airport and board an international flight.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

The ironic thing is that Chicago was not always this bad!!! When I first visited Chicago in 2002, I was completely-rejected by Black American women because they were extremely-ignorant back then (when it comes to liking me, they aren't as against me as they are used to...I guess even Black American men don't want them, so now they fancy me...who knows?).

I was completely-accepted by the Hispanic community of northern part of Chicago (the best part with the least homicides than any other part of Chicago proper per annum). I was accepted so much that FOB Mexican and other Central American Latinos came up to me speaking to me in Spanish. My rent for sharing a two-bed apartment was only 150 a month. They lived there for a long time so the rent hardly gone up in 25 years! How cool was that?

I was getting laid EVERY WEEKEND by Mex-American BBWs and a couple of Mexican slim ones every now and then.

Then I had to leave Chicago when I got a new job assignment in Madison, WI. Madison has the weirdest pizza flavors ever. e.g. Baked Mac & Cheese pizza, Halibut pizza (I kid you knot), and fried cheesecake pizza (all so good that even White women in Madison were curvy-as-wow from that trans-fat-GMO cheese in that state).

Moved back to Chicago 2006 and was banging Mexican AMerican BBWs (and SSBBWs) again, and my life was alright with a decent IT salary position. I was still banging my Toronto LTR Brasilian-Portuguese Canadian girlfriend of three years (we broke up while I was in Peru) TOO. Damn skippy!!

Left Chicago again in 2007 after I took two weeks off recovering from my vasectomy surgery and getting fired due to that. I didn't trip because it was worth it to this day for obvious reasons. The day I got laid off because of the recovery time off (I didn't warn them because I just started that job and they would have fired me anyway) I booked my flight to Australia (now I loathe Aussie land but that's another topic)

Left and traveled abroad for almsot three years pissing off over 40 stacks of guap alas how I found this site in 2008 to celebrate what I noticed wasn't so dysfunctional outside of these borders after being paid to f**k a Thai woman in Thailand (never had a woman pay me to f**k her ever, but I got free meals alot before and after sex with most AW).

Fast-forwarding to late 2012, came back to Chicago again, and I noticed things became elusive: Mexican Am BBWs weren't checking me out anymore. The ones I banged over the years became married and moved to NW Indiana or SE Chicago so my generation window of lust came (and "came") and now passed.

Still in 2012, I noticed that Black American women in Chicago were coming onto me, so I f,cuk it and I started banging them....f.ucking them as easy as I was used to fu.cking the Mexican women I had in the 2000s. Also some White American and some Ukranian-American women in Chicago were checking me out and I started to smash them too. It fizzled out after 5-6 months and went back to incel mode against my will. Left mid 2013 for Phoenix due to having a hard time trying to get a SharePoint position in Chicago (some interviews I blew away messing up, most of them didn't ask me any technical questions because they didn't want to give me a chance in proving that I can get them right for obtaining the job).

Fast-foward back to Dec 2014, I have been back in Chicago, and it became more aloof. Now I'm in the same boat as other posters in Chicagoland whom loathe this place now. I'm there with them. The only reason I'm staying because ORD (O'Hare Airport) flies to NYC/NJ in 2 hours flat....flying to Toronto is 45 minutes...flying to Texas is 2.75 hours....Flying to Calgary is only 2.5 hours. Chicago is a great North American midpoint to fly to clients around the continent because I have flown so much that I could spit up condensed plane fuel; I'm tired of flying into work more than 3.5 hours each way twice a week.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

...furthermore, Traveller, funny story but true definitely in some parts!!!

[MattHanson1990]

The ironic thing is that Chicago was not always this bad!!! When I first visited Chicago in 2002, I was completely-rejected by Black American women because they were extremely-ignorant back then (when it comes to liking me, they aren't as against me as they are used to...I guess even Black American men don't want them, so now they fancy me...who knows?).

I was completely-accepted by the Hispanic community of northern part of Chicago (the best part with the least homicides than any other part of Chicago proper per annum). I was accepted so much that FOB Mexican and other Central American Latinos came up to me speaking to me in Spanish. My rent for sharing a two-bed apartment was only 150 a month. They lived there for a long time so the rent hardly gone up in 25 years! How cool was that?

I was getting laid EVERY WEEKEND by Mex-American BBWs and a couple of Mexican slim ones every now and then.

Then I had to leave Chicago when I got a new job assignment in Madison, WI. Madison has the weirdest pizza flavors ever. e.g. Baked Mac & Cheese pizza, Halibut pizza (I kid you knot), and fried cheesecake pizza (all so good that even White women in Madison were curvy-as-wow from that trans-fat-GMO cheese in that state).

Moved back to Chicago 2006 and was banging Mexican AMerican BBWs (and SSBBWs) again, and my life was alright with a decent IT salary position. I was still banging my Toronto LTR Brasilian-Portuguese Canadian girlfriend of three years (we broke up while I was in Peru) TOO. Damn skippy!!

Left Chicago again in 2007 after I took two weeks off recovering from my vasectomy surgery and getting fired due to that. I didn't trip because it was worth it to this day for obvious reasons. The day I got laid off because of the recovery time off (I didn't warn them because I just started that job and they would have fired me anyway) I booked my flight to Australia (now I loathe Aussie land but that's another topic)

Left and traveled abroad for almsot three years pissing off over 40 stacks of guap alas how I found this site in 2008 to celebrate what I noticed wasn't so dysfunctional outside of these borders after being paid to f**k a Thai woman in Thailand (never had a woman pay me to f**k her ever, but I got free meals alot before and after sex with most AW).

Fast-forwarding to late 2012, came back to Chicago again, and I noticed things became elusive: Mexican Am BBWs weren't checking me out anymore. The ones I banged over the years became married and moved to NW Indiana or SE Chicago so my generation window of lust came (and "came") and now passed.

Still in 2012, I noticed that Black American women in Chicago were coming onto me, so I f,cuk it and I started banging them....f.ucking them as easy as I was used to fu.cking the Mexican women I had in the 2000s. Also some White American and some Ukranian-American women in Chicago were checking me out and I started to smash them too. It fizzled out after 5-6 months and went back to incel mode against my will. Left mid 2013 for Phoenix due to having a hard time trying to get a SharePoint position in Chicago (some interviews I blew away messing up, most of them didn't ask me any technical questions because they didn't want to give me a chance in proving that I can get them right for obtaining the job).

Fast-foward back to Dec 2014, I have been back in Chicago, and it became more aloof. Now I'm in the same boat as other posters in Chicagoland whom loathe this place now. I'm there with them. The only reason I'm staying because ORD (O'Hare Airport) flies to NYC/NJ in 2 hours flat....flying to Toronto is 45 minutes...flying to Texas is 2.75 hours....Flying to Calgary is only 2.5 hours. Chicago is a great North American midpoint to fly to clients around the continent because I have flown so much that I could spit up condensed plane fuel; I'm tired of flying into work more than 3.5 hours each way twice a week.

Are there still some Hispanic women in Chicago who are just as friendly and down to earth as the Mexican girls in El Paso? Or are even the Mexicans in Chicago going for the breadstealer guys?

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

The ironic thing is that Chicago was not always this bad!!! When I first visited Chicago in 2002, I was completely-rejected by Black American women because they were extremely-ignorant back then (when it comes to liking me, they aren't as against me as they are used to...I guess even Black American men don't want them, so now they fancy me...who knows?).

I was completely-accepted by the Hispanic community of northern part of Chicago (the best part with the least homicides than any other part of Chicago proper per annum). I was accepted so much that FOB Mexican and other Central American Latinos came up to me speaking to me in Spanish. My rent for sharing a two-bed apartment was only 150 a month. They lived there for a long time so the rent hardly gone up in 25 years! How cool was that?

I was getting laid EVERY WEEKEND by Mex-American BBWs and a couple of Mexican slim ones every now and then.

Then I had to leave Chicago when I got a new job assignment in Madison, WI. Madison has the weirdest pizza flavors ever. e.g. Baked Mac & Cheese pizza, Halibut pizza (I kid you knot), and fried cheesecake pizza (all so good that even White women in Madison were curvy-as-wow from that trans-fat-GMO cheese in that state).

Moved back to Chicago 2006 and was banging Mexican AMerican BBWs (and SSBBWs) again, and my life was alright with a decent IT salary position. I was still banging my Toronto LTR Brasilian-Portuguese Canadian girlfriend of three years (we broke up while I was in Peru) TOO. Damn skippy!!

Left Chicago again in 2007 after I took two weeks off recovering from my vasectomy surgery and getting fired due to that. I didn't trip because it was worth it to this day for obvious reasons. The day I got laid off because of the recovery time off (I didn't warn them because I just started that job and they would have fired me anyway) I booked my flight to Australia (now I loathe Aussie land but that's another topic)

Left and traveled abroad for almsot three years pissing off over 40 stacks of guap alas how I found this site in 2008 to celebrate what I noticed wasn't so dysfunctional outside of these borders after being paid to f**k a Thai woman in Thailand (never had a woman pay me to f**k her ever, but I got free meals alot before and after sex with most AW).

Fast-forwarding to late 2012, came back to Chicago again, and I noticed things became elusive: Mexican Am BBWs weren't checking me out anymore. The ones I banged over the years became married and moved to NW Indiana or SE Chicago so my generation window of lust came (and "came") and now passed.

Still in 2012, I noticed that Black American women in Chicago were coming onto me, so I f,cuk it and I started banging them....f.ucking them as easy as I was used to fu.cking the Mexican women I had in the 2000s. Also some White American and some Ukranian-American women in Chicago were checking me out and I started to smash them too. It fizzled out after 5-6 months and went back to incel mode against my will. Left mid 2013 for Phoenix due to having a hard time trying to get a SharePoint position in Chicago (some interviews I blew away messing up, most of them didn't ask me any technical questions because they didn't want to give me a chance in proving that I can get them right for obtaining the job).

Fast-foward back to Dec 2014, I have been back in Chicago, and it became more aloof. Now I'm in the same boat as other posters in Chicagoland whom loathe this place now. I'm there with them. The only reason I'm staying because ORD (O'Hare Airport) flies to NYC/NJ in 2 hours flat....flying to Toronto is 45 minutes...flying to Texas is 2.75 hours....Flying to Calgary is only 2.5 hours. Chicago is a great North American midpoint to fly to clients around the continent because I have flown so much that I could spit up condensed plane fuel; I'm tired of flying into work more than 3.5 hours each way twice a week.

Are there still some Hispanic women in Chicago who are just as friendly and down to earth as the Mexican girls in El Paso? Or are even the Mexicans in Chicago going for the breadstealer guys?

Known facts before I answer your question:
1) There are 2 million Mexicans (including Mexican Americans) in all of Chicagoland (including Chicago proper of course).
2) Most them live in the SW side off of the Orange CTA train including the immediate suburbs of Cicero and Berwyn (some hot Mexican women of all sizes). Now alot of them are moving to the north side that used to be half Puerto Rican and half Mexican in population. Now more are moving to NW Indiana and SE Chicago too.
3) They have the best Mexican food in the States tied with Los Angeles Mex food. Tex-Mex is not as good as Chi-Mex. TRUST ME.

and probably 4) which would also answer your question, since you're a White Am dude (even though you're chubby some will overlook that because of your Whiteness), you will get some attention. I was at Cicero buffet a month ago, and I saw a table of four people: Three, what seemed like Puerto Rican-American women, and one chubby almost fat White guy. He couldn't speak a lick of Spanish, yet his girlfriend was a 6/10 rubbing his belly reaching in for a kiss every 20 minutes or so and they were there for an hour and half (okay so I stay at buffets a long so shadddup lol).

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

I think they aren't as down-to-earth as LPTX girls. But again, since you are White American and chubby, you will get some Chi-Mex chicks here and there. Just not as many as if you were in shape.
If I were you, I would go to Chicago for the food only and make the 2nd priority if a priority at all the Mexican women here. Lou Malnati's pizza is decent. Don't eat Reggio's pizza...they aren't that great and it's laden with salt out the arse.

West TX is a different animal than even the gringo part of TX (i.e. DFW, H-town/Katy/Woodlands/SugarLand and cities in between). SATX (San Antonio) is greater than DFW because DFW women are ghetto and stuck up OR simply just stuckup. IMHO, H-town has treated me well (jobwise and poosie-wise), but I have to go where my employer sends me so they keep cutting me checks. (direct deposit nowadays lol).

[MattHanson1990]

I think they aren't as down-to-earth as LPTX girls. But again, since you are White American and chubby, you will get some Chi-Mex chicks here and there. Just not as many as if you were in shape.
If I were you, I would go to Chicago for the food only and make the 2nd priority if a priority at all the Mexican women here. Lou Malnati's pizza is decent. Don't eat Reggio's pizza...they aren't that great and it's laden with salt out the arse.

West TX is a different animal than even the gringo part of TX (i.e. DFW, H-town/Katy/Woodlands/SugarLand and cities in between). SATX (San Antonio) is greater than DFW because DFW women are ghetto and stuck up OR simply just stuckup. IMHO, H-town has treated me well (jobwise and poosie-wise), but I have to go where my employer sends me so they keep cutting me checks. (direct deposit nowadays lol).

As of recently I've been losing weight, and even when I was more overweight, I had no problems meeting and befriending El Paso girls. It was Albuquerque and Los Alamos (LANM) where I had a lot of the same problems as Winston had with meeting and talking to girls.

And from where you're coming from, I'd say it's the white American girls in Chicagoland that are going for the breadstealer guys.

[traveller]

As of recently I've been losing weight, and even when I was more overweight, I had no problems meeting and befriending El Paso girls. It was Albuquerque and Los Alamos (LANM) where I had a lot of the same problems as Winston had with meeting and talking to girls.

And from where you're coming from, I'd say it's the white American girls in Chicagoland that are going for the breadstealer guys.

Chicago is an extremely violent gangster city. Chicago is a downright terrible place to live, work, visit, and raise a family. Rich or poor, black or white, popular or unpopular. And not only is the dating scene at it's absolute worst in Chicago, but in fact, it can even be deadly and life-threatening.

Even in Chicago's high tourist/hangout areas like Michigan Avenue, Millennium Park, Navy Pier, the Museum Campus area, Oak Street Beach, and such, any single guy who even approaches within less than 30 feet of a woman, especially if glancing in her general direction, is practically as likely to get gunned down, murdered, and robbed by her boyfriend/fiancee/husband and/or his mob as one who beats and pounds a hornet's nest nonstop with a baseball bat is likely to get swarmed and stung by a bunch of angry hornets.

[MattHanson1990]

As of recently I've been losing weight, and even when I was more overweight, I had no problems meeting and befriending El Paso girls. It was Albuquerque and Los Alamos (LANM) where I had a lot of the same problems as Winston had with meeting and talking to girls.

And from where you're coming from, I'd say it's the white American girls in Chicagoland that are going for the breadstealer guys.

Chicago is an extremely violent gangster city. Chicago is a downright terrible place to live, work, visit, and raise a family. Rich or poor, black or white, popular or unpopular. And not only is the dating scene at it's absolute worst in Chicago, but in fact, it can even be deadly and life-threatening.

Even in Chicago's high tourist/hangout areas like Michigan Avenue, Millennium Park, Navy Pier, the Museum Campus area, Oak Street Beach, and such, any single guy who even approaches within less than 30 feet of a woman, especially if glancing in her general direction, is practically as likely to get gunned down, murdered, and robbed by her boyfriend/fiancee/husband and/or his mob as one who beats and pounds a hornet's nest nonstop with a baseball bat is likely to get swarmed and stung by a bunch of angry hornets.

Dang. I was planning on visiting one of my good friends in Chicago this year, but maybe I might not want to go there at all. She's attending Northeastern Illinois University, and she's from New Mexico. She is sweet, feminine, and down to earth, but she was interested in someone else at the time I had a crush on her . Even in New Mexico, all the good ones are taken. Your best bet to finding decent single women in America is to head for the cities on the Mexican border, particularly El Paso.

[traveller]

Dang. I was planning on visiting one of my good friends in Chicago this year, but maybe I might not want to go there at all. She's attending Northeastern Illinois University, and she's from New Mexico. She is sweet, feminine, and down to earth, but she was interested in someone else at the time I had a crush on her . Even in New Mexico, all the good ones are taken. Your best bet to finding decent single women in America is to head for the cities on the Mexican border, particularly El Paso.

Northeastern Illinois University is luckily in a good area, near West Bryn Mawr Avenue and North Pulaski Road. But do not go south of Lawrence Avenue (4800 north) as south of Lawrence is endless, nonstop violent ghetto all the way south to around Steger Road (23100 south).

As I unfortunately don't know how to upload files onto this thread from my computer, I will describe the extent of Chicago's violent area as best as I can. The ghetto is bordered by the following streets/geographical areas;

On the south side, Steger Road from Illinois 50/Cicero Avenue east to the Indiana Border, and it's latitude continuing east to I-65 in Indiana.

On the east side, I-65 from around it's intersection at Route 30 north to the shore of Lake Michigan, and the shore of Lake Michigan west and north to Lawrence Avenue in Chicago.

On the north side, Lawrence Avenue from the lakeshore west to Austin Avenue.

On the west side, Austin Avenue/Austin Blvd from Lawrence Avenue south to the BNSF train yard in west suburban Cicero, the BNSF train yard from Austin Blvd east to Illinois 50/Cicero Avenue, Illinois 50/Cicero Avenue from the BNSF train yard south to 95th Street, 95th Street east to South Kedzie Avenue, South Kedzie Avenue from 95th Street south to 127th Street, 127th Street from Kedzie west to Illinois 50/Cicero Avenue, and Illinois 50/Cicero Avenue from 127th Street south to Steger Road.

[MattHanson1990]

Dang. I was planning on visiting one of my good friends in Chicago this year, but maybe I might not want to go there at all. She's attending Northeastern Illinois University, and she's from New Mexico. She is sweet, feminine, and down to earth, but she was interested in someone else at the time I had a crush on her . Even in New Mexico, all the good ones are taken. Your best bet to finding decent single women in America is to head for the cities on the Mexican border, particularly El Paso.

Northeastern Illinois University is luckily in a good area, near West Bryn Mawr Avenue and North Pulaski Road. But do not go south of Lawrence Avenue (4800 north) as south of Lawrence is endless, nonstop violent ghetto all the way south to around Steger Road (23100 south).

As I unfortunately don't know how to upload files onto this thread from my computer, I will describe the extent of Chicago's violent area as best as I can. The ghetto is bordered by the following streets/geographical areas;

On the south side, Steger Road from Illinois 50/Cicero Avenue east to the Indiana Border, and it's latitude continuing east to I-65 in Indiana.

On the east side, I-65 from around it's intersection at Route 30 north to the shore of Lake Michigan, and the shore of Lake Michigan west and north to Lawrence Avenue in Chicago.

On the north side, Lawrence Avenue from the lakeshore west to Austin Avenue.

On the west side, Austin Avenue/Austin Blvd from Lawrence Avenue south to the BNSF train yard in west suburban Cicero, the BNSF train yard from Austin Blvd east to Illinois 50/Cicero Avenue, Illinois 50/Cicero Avenue from the BNSF train yard south to 95th Street, 95th Street east to South Kedzie Avenue, South Kedzie Avenue from 95th Street south to 127th Street, 127th Street from Kedzie west to Illinois 50/Cicero Avenue, and Illinois 50/Cicero Avenue from 127th Street south to Steger Road.

Are you also on the new HA Facebook group I created after the original one got shut down? If so, feel free to post the images on the FB group.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

@Traveller--

I don't know you about you, but I live right off the Pink and Green trains. I jump on the Pink train @ Ashland Station and badd-damn I'm in CIcero in 20 minutes flat.
I hang out at the Cicero Public Library because the Chi-Mexicans are cool there and mind their business and don't f.uck with me. Even the Chicago Pub. Library in Little
Village is loud-as-hell, but up the street off of Chicago Avenue, the Richard M. Library is full of boisterous, rambunctious N's there. I always bring my laptop with me to the bathroom (and I have to ask for a key to get in and wait a minute before I get that #WTF), emergency or quickie pee-pee in the stall.

I even was in Forest Park today to mail out a letter at US PO to one of my Colombianas (sweet snailmail letters are romantic for FW in 2015), and I went into Portillo's Diner there, and when I paid with credit card, they made me take out my Passport (any valid ID would do) while I make the purchase. I exhorted, "Forest Park is that f***ing ghetto?" The Black female cashier laughed in amusement.

I eat at all the Mexican restaurants on Cermak there, no problemas, no food poisoning.
Sometimes I work out at Planet Fitness on S Cicero Ave in Cicero by Pizza Patron there.

I met a 5'6" 415 lb. White Am SSBBW in Steger two years ago. At 67th Street Red train station, I had taken the CTA bus all the way Calumet City and then transfer to a Pace bus going all the way down there. Sh*t had taken me two hours to get there by Pace bus from the furthest the CTA bus could go!!! And that date was a failure because I wore my dick on my sleeve, but you would think a SSBBW would be amused by that out of desperation and/or honesty. Nope, she turned me down and said she will never date a Brazilian man ever again! Ouch. lol

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

@Matt--

You're a cool dude so I don't care what body type you are. You treat me with respect, and that's good enough for me to accept you for who you are. I'm just telling you like it is without disrespecting you.

I bet you are losing weight because you are a happier person now with the attention you get of the opposite sex that is kind of a FW even though she's Tejana (Texas Mexican woman).

[traveller]

Are you also on the new HA Facebook group I created after the original one got shut down? If so, feel free to post the images on the FB group.

I just sent you a request just now, under the anonymous name of King Neptune.