Why do women reject/dump Winston or lose their love for him?

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Re: Why do women who like Winston change their mind later?

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Chanta76,

After meeting Winston in person in China, I've actually realized that he is quite a down-to-earth guy with a good sense of humor, is very genuine, philosophical and makes good company. He doesn't take himself too seriously, knows how to laugh at himself and knows when a woman is out of his league.

Winston is not delusional. He has personally said many times that he knows he's not as young anymore, not tall, and while he is not fat he knows he could do with losing weight and is definitely not in the best shape of his life. He has never claimed otherwise. The suggestion that he is going after perfect 10s couldn't be further from the truth.

Nor is Winston here to be a playboy. His primary goal is to find a suitable Chinese girl to marry. Naturally in the process he will have to 'juggle' date many girls to find out which one is most suited to him, and who also has feelings for him.



chanta76 wrote:Winston I think it's your faith. I mean look at your track record. You went to Russia and I know you said many times you did OK there but if you were you wouldn't have left and actually would of slept with lots of Russian girls...but that didn't happen. Then you went to the Philippines met a bar girl and got her pregnant but not too responsible as a father which said something about your nature which is that your a selfish man.

Now your in China....and guess what ....it going to happen again just like in Russia and in the Philippines..your not going to find what you WANT. Why? Because I hate to break it to you..you can be delusional sometimes in your own value. Its going to sound harsh.... but your like Will-N -Dodd or these other sexpats..your looking for a free ride and also that perfect 10 . It;s like you want to be with as many girls and also find that hot girl that will be great for you. Your hopping from country to country thinking it must be the location...over time your going to realize that it;s not always about location...
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Re: Why do women who like Winston change their mind later?

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MarcosZeitola wrote:Winston, women may very well like you. But do they like you romantically, sexually, or just as a friend? You may have the type of vibe a "gay best friend" would have. My wife has several such friends, several of them confirmed gays, others simply suspected. They are the type of guy that are sexually harmless, not a threat to me. So the type of men a husband allows his wife to befriend and hang out with, without having to fear competition.

I'm not calling you gay here, mind you! - but I am suggesting that maybe this is the vibe you are giving off. That you are not the tallest, strongest and handsomest of men and not very masculine. You are not one of those men who ooze sex appeal. As a result it's not hard for you to get contact with girls, talk to them, laugh with them and befriend them. You probably are more then a bit charismatic and likable, and a solid conversationalist. But from being liked (platonic) and being wanted (sexually) is quite a big step. And that step is probably what you are having difficulties with.

You had some sexual issues with Dianne, didn't you? I wonder if similar issues have come up with other girls you've been with\had relationships with. That may be a part of the reason. Some things, a woman can tell instinctively.
Yes that seems what it is. Even in Russia, some women told me that I lacked sexuality, in that I do not trigger sexual desire in women. Why is that? Is it due to my lack of testosterone? Me being not animalistic enough? Maybe I'm too evolved, like a grey alien, and so my animalistic traits have been transcended? lol

What can I do about this though? Work out and build more muscles? Act more cocky and insensitive? Brag more and act more arrogant? Or what?

However, as Rock said, most Chinese guys in China and Taiwan are not very masculine, but feminine and gay-like. Yet they get girls. How do you explain that? Also, Filipinas do not treat me as an asexual. Remember that Asian women and White women are different. White women need more masculinity than Asian women do.

Women have also complained that I seem like a "wayward boy" and not mature. What does that mean exactly? What does mature mean? Does it mean a man who is very serious, narrow minded and simple? No man is really mature. Maturity is just how you act in public. Maybe it means I'm not firm like a rock of gibraltar. But most men aren't right?
From your previous comments, you are appalled that dating is considered a game but make no mistake, it IS a game especially the first few times you get together with her. Each of us will have shortcomings in dealing with women. But not showing enough animal magnetism IMHO, is an easy one to overcome. Look back a few pages of the vid I posted by the dating expert with the huge knockers. She brings up some good strategy.

Let's say you are sitting down with a girl for the first time. Half the way thru the date, I would say something along the lines of "I just wanted to tell you that you look really nice tonight. If you look this good every night, it's going to be very hard for me to behave when I'm around you." Then just give her a devilish smile.

Trust me, she'll take note of this and in the back of her mind, she'll think, "oh he's a bit crazy and dangerous." Women LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE this. Don't think for second that they don't. But you've broken new ground with this "innocent" line without sounding too pervy. It's a balancing act but you need to throw out a few of these "hooks" to let her know you ARE sexual being.

Without asking too many personal questions Winston, do you consider yourself selfish in the bedroom? I know you like all the romantic kissing and stuff. But that may convey being soft too. Really focus on her needs and what she wants and let her know VERBALLY that you are an animal (when the time is right) and then show her.

Like I said before, there is PLENTLY of time for her to get to know the real Winston later. The first few dates you need to find a way to establish that you are a sexual animal and you'll rock her world but this needs to be conveyed in a subtle manner until you actually do bed her. Is this manipulation? SURE it is but who cares? I sell insurance to folks. Do I manipulate my clients in order to sell my product? Duh!

Last but not least, continue to work on your image. There are a few threads on Winston and clothing. Get a good look. Please tell me you are not wearing that damned camera bag that drapes over one shoulder when you are out. Trust me, Winston if I ever have the pleasure of meeting you in real life, I'm going to bring lighter fluid and matches and I WILL BURN YOUR CAMERA BAG. Teasing....well kinda ;) No really. That damned thing makes you look like "Uncle Winston". It's a big no no.

Good luck man. Glad you are getting some dates in China tho...
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Re: Why do women who like Winston change their mind later?

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ethan_sg wrote:Chanta76,
After meeting Winston in person in China, I've actually realized that he is quite a down-to-earth guy with a good sense of humor, is very genuine, philosophical and makes good company. He doesn't take himself too seriously, knows how to laugh at himself and knows when a woman is out of his league.
Winston is not delusional. He has personally said many times that he knows he's not as young anymore, not tall, and while he is not fat he knows he could do with losing weight and is definitely not in the best shape of his life. He has never claimed otherwise. The suggestion that he is going after perfect 10s couldn't be further from the truth.
Nor is Winston here to be a playboy. His primary goal is to find a suitable Chinese girl to marry. Naturally in the process he will have to 'juggle' date many girls to find out which one is most suited to him, and who also has feelings for him.
It's nice to see someone being fair to Winston for once, as opposed to what that f*king Banano guy does.
pete98146 wrote: I would say something along the lines of "I just wanted to tell you that you look really nice tonight. If you look this good every night, it's going to be very hard for me to behave when I'm around you." Then just give her a devilish smile.
Trust me, she'll take note of this and in the back of her mind, she'll think, "oh he's a bit crazy and dangerous." Women LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE this.
That's great, but it's kind of common sense, most of us guys have that chip (and yeah moretorque, i have an actual chip) and it comes out automatically if the chick has allowed a bit of rapport to grow in the first place. Women have a metaphorical brain, and exploiting this is key and fun.
Not to keep deconstructing Winston, but i would think he already does the above, but like I was saying, he might ruin it by being simultaneously too agreeable and having a weak tone in his voice, even with a bit of stuttering. I'm not lecturing here, since i have to improve myself too.
pete98146 wrote:Trust me, Winston if I ever have the pleasure of meeting you in real life, I'm going to bring lighter fluid and matches and I WILL BURN YOUR CAMERA BAG. Teasing....well kinda ;)
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The strength and stamina you gain will show in the way you walk and carry yourself
Damn right, that's priceless Marcos. It's not about 'muscles' per se, but what you mention there.
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MarcosZeitola wrote: It's about a lot of things. For me, when I am abroad I do several things. First of all, I drastically change my diet.

Second, I am outside way more. I try to be under the sun as often as I can, get a good tan. This makes me feel healthier and more alive.

Third, I keep moving. I do sit-ups, push-ups and pull-ups whenever I find time, I go on long walks and hikes and keep burning fat and keeping my body active.
This is also what I am doing in Philippines and Thailand, but the difference is about, in Japan I have to work full-time, and while in Philippines or Thailand I am on vacation.

It's a big difference if you have to work full-time in a country with long and cold winter season, or if you spend your vacation in tropical regions.

It's often not possible to keep yourself fit, even if you have the best intention to do it. I remember a good time in Thailand, 6 weeks, I left Japan with 86 kg, and came back with 77. This is a 9 kg difference, a big difference in clothings, in eating habits.... but it was gone after 3 months, winter season, office work... back to 'normal'.
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Because initially, a person doesn't see the flaws of someone that they are dating. It all gets lost in a haze of oxytocin and adreinaline-fueled love and lust. But once that starts to fade, a person sees you for what you really are, which is just some guy that is "meh" overall.
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Most people's goals in all aspects of life are inconsistent with their actions. My guess is that this is Winston when he dates.

What do I mean? If you go out on a date and spend the night in intellectual conversation and proving that you are a deep thinker, than that's what you get. You can't complain afterwards when the girl thinks, "Wow, he's a real intellectual. Too bad he didn't make me wet. Next."

Or maybe you go out on a date and demonstrate what a "nice guy" you are. Same response. "Wow, what I nice guy. Too bad I am not turned on."

So if Winston's goal in dating is to demonstrate he's an intellectual or a nice guy - then he probably has succeeded - but that's not attraction, which is fundamentally chemical or sexual.

As Pete said above, a little sexy flirting or innuendo goes a long way. Even if nothing happens on the date, she goes away wondering what you might be like in bed.
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This is the last message I got from Summer, the girl who did a 180 on me. It shows her true colors and a warped mentality.

" I don't think we can to be friends,if you want a girl friend,tell you truth,you need spend much money to her,when I stay with you,you let me feel uncomfortable,like when we go to movie,I want buy water and popcorn,you don't want,when I ask you to but star buck for me,you don't buy yourself,you just want share mine,you are so mean,I really don't like that,all time I feel you try to save money,you gave me the gift,all gifts is very cheap,I really don't enjoy ,I think Chinese man much better than you

Sorry to say that,but that is true,if you just want spend a little money than you want find woman or girl friend,that is impossible,I just try to let you know"

My logical response to her:

" I did buy popcorn for you when we first went to movie remember? But you didn't eat it. Only I did. So I think you don't like popcorn.

You didn't say you wanted popcorn last time. You don't communicate clearly. I told you I don't like sweet popcorn so I didn't buy it. If you wanted it you could've asked me. But you were silent and moody.

Chinese are not generous. They like to save money. It's is chinese character. You know that.

Anyway if you really like or love someone, these little things don't matter.

I was going to buy you more expensive gifts on our third date. But you began to be cold and moody to me.

Money does not help or hurt attraction. A relationship is all about chemistry. I've gone on many dates and money never helped me. I've spent a lot of money on girls before and it did not help or change their feeling. Remember I have more experience than you."

" You always lie and trick me. You said we could be friends but now you say we can't. You always change what you say. That's not honest or stable.

I was a gentlemen to you. I paid for most things on our dates. So I did the right thing according to traditional culture."

" You sound like you hate me. Why? You are using little things against me. Only someone with a subconscious hatred problem would do that. You forget all the good things about us and only remember little faults. Strange.

I didn't want Starbucks because Starbucks Coffee is a bad value and not worth the price. 30 rmb can buy dinner and is worth far more than a cup of sugar coffee. So I do not buy coffee there. It's illogical and a bad deal. But it's nothing against you.

I just wanted to taste your coffee. Not drink it. I thought we were a couple. Couples can share drinks. It's normal."

" You are spinning and twisting things and exaggerating things and not making any sense.

You can ask my friend rock if I did anything wrong. He will be honest and not take my side if I am wrong."

" You don't have to spend a lot of money to make a girl like you. Most people would disagree. I have more experience in dating than you. You should listen to me. A man is not required to buy everything a woman wants.

Are you saying a man should never say that something is too expensive? Are you crazy? You sound like a Russian woman. Not a Chinese woman. Chinese women are frugal and love to save and hate ripoff prices. We both know that. I am chinese too."

" You can ask any wise or smart person. They will tell you that a man should NOT give a woman expensive gifts on first or second date. To do so would be stupid and foolish. Everyone knows this summer. Why don't you?"
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I'm sorry she didn't work out for you. She seems like a Spoiled Princess and the message that she is sending is not good. I've read your reply/thoughts above and I'd like to throw out some constructive criticism if I may. Again, this is designed to help you and not hurt you so don't take it the wrong way. My eyes jump right to the words "friends" and "gentleman." It seems like you are a broken record that is stuck and skipping over and over and over....friends, gentlemen, friends, gentlemen, friends, gentlemen.... You can be a nice guy and treat a girl well but still be challenging to her, be a bit bratty and naughty too. But take these words and PLEASE throw them out the window for your own sake. I think if you eliminate these words subconsciously you won't go there. Somehow I still think you are going into PUPPY MODE with these women and it's a slow death. You need to find a way to be more challenging, flirting, bit dangerous, smug etc. You were at one point thinking of going into acting. Experiment and play with this to get out of the friend zone.

Secondly, you are trying to be a "typical Chinese guy" around these ladies. I'd play up on your differences and not your similarities. Remember different CAN BE better. If she wants a run of the mill Chinese dude, she has millions to choose from. There aren't as many bad ass American/Chinese guys around such as yourself.

Thirdly, Winston, you are great at arguing and countering. But WAY WAY WAY WAY TOO OFTEN, you'll say something like, "the sky is blue and if you don't trust me, you can ask my friend Rock." I know you and Rock are close and Rock's a great guy, but when you are always relying on other people's opinions to back you up, it makes you sound very weak. Dammit, you are WINSTON WU, the confident owner of Happier Abroad and pioneer of overseas living and dating!!!! You don't need your opinions validated by anybody else, right? YOU ARE THE MAN and if somebody disagrees with you, F*uck them. Learn to stand strong without the support of your friends. Women will pick up on this in a millisecond....big sign of weakness which is a major turnoff.

So learn from this one and move on. Again, I hope you don't take the above as being too hurtful. Maybe it's like the Marines where the brothers here will tear you down to build you back up, right? Really I write this to help :)
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Winston wrote:This is the last message I got from Summer, the girl who did a 180 on me. It shows her true colors and a warped mentality.
" I don't think we can to be friends,if you want a girl friend,tell you truth,you need spend much money to her,when I stay with you,you let me feel uncomfortable,like when we go to movie...
If this were true, poor guys would never have gfs. :roll:
Spending "much money to her" only invites users. At least you found out before rather than after getting into some long term relationshit.
My experience has been if a woman likes you, how much you do or don't spend is not an issue.
The ones that really like you will even do some of the paying.
Come to think of it, that's also Skittles Man's experience. :mrgreen:
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Winston wrote:This is the last message I got from Summer, the girl who did a 180 on me. It shows her true colors and a warped mentality.
...
She's freaking delusional hahaha, so demanding for a 30+, LMAO. She'd have to be 20 and super hot to pull that off.
It's probably one of those cases of she's still single for a reason. It's great you didn't contribute to further her delusion.

Great advice pieces by Pete, but also teal has a great point with:
Teal Lantern wrote:My experience has been if a woman likes you, how much you do or don't spend is not an issue.
I had a great friend that had a crush on me but i didn't find her attractive. No matter what i did and how i acted, the phone would constantly ring. In fact the more casual i was the more she would push. Well one day long after, she hit the 'delete' key on me, once she found another suitable americhump Lol.
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pete98146 wrote:I'm sorry she didn't work out for you. She seems like a Spoiled Princess and the message that she is sending is not good. I've read your reply/thoughts above and I'd like to throw out some constructive criticism if I may. Again, this is designed to help you and not hurt you so don't take it the wrong way. My eyes jump right to the words "friends" and "gentleman." It seems like you are a broken record that is stuck and skipping over and over and over....friends, gentlemen, friends, gentlemen, friends, gentlemen.... You can be a nice guy and treat a girl well but still be challenging to her, be a bit bratty and naughty too. But take these words and PLEASE throw them out the window for your own sake. I think if you eliminate these words subconsciously you won't go there. Somehow I still think you are going into PUPPY MODE with these women and it's a slow death. You need to find a way to be more challenging, flirting, bit dangerous, smug etc. You were at one point thinking of going into acting. Experiment and play with this to get out of the friend zone.

Secondly, you are trying to be a "typical Chinese guy" around these ladies. I'd play up on your differences and not your similarities. Remember different CAN BE better. If she wants a run of the mill Chinese dude, she has millions to choose from. There aren't as many bad a** American/Chinese guys around such as yourself.

Thirdly, Winston, you are great at arguing and countering. But WAY WAY WAY WAY TOO OFTEN, you'll say something like, "the sky is blue and if you don't trust me, you can ask my friend Rock." I know you and Rock are close and Rock's a great guy, but when you are always relying on other people's opinions to back you up, it makes you sound very weak. Dammit, you are WINSTON WU, the confident owner of Happier Abroad and pioneer of overseas living and dating!!!! You don't need your opinions validated by anybody else, right? YOU ARE THE MAN and if somebody disagrees with you, F*uck them. Learn to stand strong without the support of your friends. Women will pick up on this in a millisecond....big sign of weakness which is a major turnoff.

So learn from this one and move on. Again, I hope you don't take the above as being too hurtful. Maybe it's like the Marines where the brothers here will tear you down to build you back up, right? Really I write this to help :)
But chinese women are not like American women. Words like "nice" and "gentlemen" are not bad words to chinese women. They aren't exactly into bad boys.

Remember that chinese men get hot chinese girls too. Nothing wrong with imitating them. But of course I played on my differences too of being Asian American. But that only backfired when she used it against me and said that we had cultural differences that made us incompatible. What bullshit.

There's no such thing as cultural differences that make a couple incompatible. That's always just an excuse to blow you off once she's changed her mind about you.

You can tell in her letter that shes a bit psycho. I did spend a lot on her yet it's not enough? What the hell does she expect?

She even said once after I gave her a heart keychain from California that she doesn't want my heart, only my money and bank account and house. I thought she was joking but she was semi serious. Even in jokes there's a degree of truth.

But she seemed sweet, kind and considerate at the beginning. She even told me that she sensed I wasn't the marrying type from my vibe alone. So I thought she had good intuition and wasn't some gold digging bitch. It's like she's a Jekyll and Hyde. Weird.

I should have at least gotten some sex out of this though. If Ethan_sg had dated her, he would have since his girls get intimate with him whereas mine make excuses.
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But chinese women are not like American women. Words like "nice" and "gentlemen" are not bad words to chinese women. They aren't exactly into bad boys.
Remember that chinese men get hot chinese girls too
I think you guys are discussing subjective stuff. It's ok to be nice, but not TOO nice, it's all about where that line is.
Anyways you're wasting too much gray matter thinking about and trying to make these girls reason man.
If Ethan_sg had dated her, he would have since his girls get intimate with him whereas mine make excuses.
Again, the weight thing is key, if you want more instant attraction.
Not to make a gender-equivalence argument here, but in this stuff it does apply. You wouldn't wanna go to bed instantly with a chick that's got quite a few extra pounds, you'd pass.
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Marcos Zeitola wrote:A man's time is infinite, in a way, because biology ensures he's fertile until the day he dies. Most Chinese women, unless they are married to their job and careers, will still want marriage and a family. If you do not seem like the marrying type, this will prevent things from getting more serious. Not because they dislike you but simply because time is too precious for them to waste their time on a man who is so fickle and full of doubt about what he wants.


Let me spin this and say that should be the very reason why she should treat Winnie like a prince and not be so demanding. you'd think since the clock is ticking she would try to entice the man, who should have an advantage.
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Winston,

Ban me if you have to. I read in your post that Dianne worked in a bar. Now is she a stereotypical gogo bar girl. No I don't think she is . But she is the mother of you child so I understand you will get upset over that. I don't know if Dianne read these post or not but if that upset her I do apology .

Call me an asshole or nobody because you are right we never met so I don't know you and you don't really know me as person. I don't try to flame on purpose nor do I try to troll on purpose. Maybe in person your not a bad guy. Like I said we never met. Within the Asian American forum you have a negative reputation. You may not see it that way .

But before you ban me let me say this. I followed your journal way back when you were in Russia. I'm an Asian guy like you and I was able to relate to your struggles in the dating/social market in the states so I had compassion for you . I understood your motivation for going overseas. What I disagree with you was your approach in things but I understand that everyone is different.

When you were in Russia you did have opportunities to be with some decent Russian girls but it seems like you would have short attention span and see another hottie and want that one. It back fired on you.

You mentioned that you did not fail in the Philippines. Others people may think you did because you left the country. Again it's open to interpretation and it can be subjective. Try to see it from the opposite view point. Your right that in your mind set you didn't fail but others may interpret it differently. You also mentioned that your not a sexpat ..but romantic at heart. I don't know I'm going by reading your post. Again everything is subjective and people will think differently.

Regarding about women. You are right I'm no expert but I have enough common sense that looks ,age, and status does matter. It's like going on a job interview the first thing a interviewer will judge you on is your appearance but in order to clinch the job it's your skill set. It's the same with women. A women will judge you base upon how you look. If your not handsome you have to make it up with fashion to show status but in order to win the women it;s emotional connection which I do agree with.

Using the word "faith". To you faith means religion. To others it can also mean this is your lot in life or destiny in life. I'm not trying to hurt Winston believe it or not. I actually wish the best for you. But I think sometimes you mix things up. I mean I have to meet you to really know who you are. But from reading your post I feel like your walking contradiction and sometimes your own worst enemy.
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