Do we give away too much free info as Steve R claims?!

[Richardrli]

No we don't. I like it just the way it is, please continue on the good work Winston.

[Winston]

From what I've seen and what is up right now I would not give him shit for business. But then again, I am not into internet dating and never have been. But speaking openly, his sites are shit and aren't going to make a dime.

Well here's the odd thing. Whenever I tell him that he needs to produce better content on his sites to get more traffic, this is his vehement response:

Steve R: (paraphrasing)
"I don't want to get more traffic. I'm not into producing flashy gimmicky sales sites to con people. I'm the REAL thing. I don't want a bunch of random idiots visiting my site looking for free content. I don't care about them. I only want smart people who DESERVE my services and are smart enough to call me and prove themselves worthy!"

I'm paraphrasing him, but that's what he tells me with a vehement voice. WTF? Is that a deranged attitude or what? I can't believe anyone would think like that. Isn't this just a copout excuse for being too lazy to produce good content? I get the feeling he doesn't write much. He doesn't have the patience for writing or web design. And he's not a writer and is not good at business/marketing strategy at all. It's not his forte. But he is a great orator. So he talks big with very little business sense.

Obviously such an attitude isn't going to get anywhere. But he refuses to humble himself and learn from others with qualifications in internet marketing. Instead, he likes to be a know-it-all and deem himself with high entitlement and has a snobby elitist attitude. It's crazy. It seems that he has a very high view of himself and considers himself worthy of a high class millionaires club, and when it doesn't pan out that way, he gets angry and blames everyone else.

To a certain extent, we all get angry when our view of ourselves isn't corroborated by others. But Steve is quite arrogant and refuses to listen or humble himself and learn from others. The thing is, he has no qualifications in internet marketing and has no proven track record of success in it. So he has no right to be arrogant, but he is. It would be like me being arrogant about basketball when I know nothing about it and have no qualifications in it. It just doesn't make sense.

I've noticed though that it's quite common for Western men to dream big and talk big with no realistic business strategy and no real work ethic or productivity.

[Winston]

AiB,
Can you figure out what Steve's Referral Perks business is about? How does it work?

https://www.facebook.com/Referralperks
https://twitter.com/referralperks

Am I too dumb to figure it out? It sounds like it's a way for people to refer services to business and earn commissions and kickbacks from them. But I don't see any business model or how the nuts and bolts of this would work. His sites seem a little vague. How can he make his idea for this work? Any suggestions?

[Winston]

To Steve:
I have serious questions for you below. I insist that you provide some serious answers so we can settle your arguments once and for all.

First, why do you keep saying that I, or we here at HA, give away too much free info? What do you mean by that? And what do you suggest we do?

Are you saying that we should shut down this site and movement, so that you and your brother can be international playboys without competition? lol. (does the universe revolve around you? lol)

This great unique one-of-a-kind site is my business. Why should I close it up and give up my income from it, just because YOU say so? Wtf? Explain that please.

Or are you saying that we should make this site a private paid membership club that is not viewable by the public, and only accessible to people who pay, or people whom YOU approve of?

The problem with making this into a private site is that it would drastically change everything, and would involve taking a BIG RISK that could cause us to lose members and cause me to lose income. What makes you think this site would be more profitable or successful as a private club closed off to the public?

Why should I take a BIG RISK by changing a working formula to one that may not work? What for? Explain this please.

Finally, what QUALIFIES you to tell me what to do with this site or movement? How are YOU a credible or qualified source in the affairs of online business or internet marketing? Why should anyone listen to you?

In reality, you are broke and have NO proven track record of success in business, online business or internet marketing. So what makes YOU think you are qualified to tell me what to do here? What is the basis of your arrogance and know-it-all attitude in this matter?

You obviously have made a lot of reckless and foolish decisions in life that have led to you becoming broke. You are a talented orator who talks big and dreams big. But you don't have any real proven track record of success in business, nor were you able to manage your own money properly. So you don't have the substance to back up the "hotshot talk".

So why do you want to try to ruin other people's lives too? Why do you want to try to bring ruin to this movement with bad advice that has no basis? Giving bad advice can be very dangerous you know. I mean, what if I'm dumb enough to follow your bad advice and it wrecks my business? In that sense, giving foolish nonsensical advice makes you a risk factor and bad influence, does it not?

Moreover, I've noticed that children who play board games are able to wait their turn. If it's my turn, a kid will say, "Go. It's your turn." But for some reason, you are unable to wait your turn in a board game most of the time. You attempt to take a second turn, which is illegal. You don't do that on purpose of course. You just forget to wait for the other person's turn, and try to take a second turn. How is it that kids can wait their turn in a board game, but you can't?! LOL

Obviously, what this indicates is that there is something "loose" in your head that makes you overly impulsive and unaware of what's going on around you. It's the only logical conclusion. This means that you are prone to super reckless behavior and foolish decisions. Thus it would be highly unwise to let you make decisions for this movement or tell others what to do. Right?

Is the above assessment accurate? Why or why not? Have I misunderstood you? If so, in what way? Again, please explain your argument that we give away too much free info here, and tell us what you expect us to do, and why we should listen to you.

If you have any credibility or integrity, then please ANSWER these questions SERIOUSLY with no bull.

Also, how am I giving away too much free info when I make a regular income from this site?

I await your answers. Thanks.

[Richardrli]

Winston please just ignore this person.

[MrPeabody]

He sounds like a typical shyster with a silver tongue peddling little value or actual experience.

[Winston]

Well look what he told me about all you guys. It may be hard to believe that one of our "bros" would say this. But he DID! He said this many times too! Wtf is he thinking?!

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[MrPeabody]

What is it with America? You have all these shyster predators with the gift of gab who try to make money by deceiving other people and putting on an act that they know something when they actually know very little. When I try to get just simple information from a business I find out that I am deceived by some salesman. I am going to start shifting my business to German firms where I get high quality and minimal bullshit.

[Winston]

Steve would be good in a sales job or a telemarketing job. He has the talent and the big talk voice for it. But he doesn't have the patience for a low end regular job like that. And he thinks he deserves much better and wants to be a big shot. Plus he hates corporate America too.

Yeah there is so much deception in American advertising today, even online. For instance, when you download a free program, it tries to deceive you into installing a toolbar in your browser or some other unwanted program with ads, by telling you to click Accept to the Terms and Conditions, while putting checkmarks next to unwanted programs, hoping that you won't notice them.

Sometimes they are hard to notice too. Like when you click Accept or Yes to many Terms and Conditions to download something, and in one of them contains a notice about downloading unwanted programs or browser toolbars, which you accidentally click Yes to because you've clicked Yes to so many things already. So you end up with unwanted pop ups and toolbars that you have to later uninstall and get rid of. Really annoying. Don't you all hate that?

[innovatorsclub]

You are doing exactly what far too many women in America do to their ex husbands. Re-write history and the truth to demonize to make you look better. I lost all respect for you and credibility for your "truth movement"
Yes I said deserving and I mean it. You don't know me and my passion and diverse experiences that helped create it. It's clear I am all about empowering deserving people. My time stamped posts alone show this. I happen to think that selfish , materialistic and bad people don't deserve to get valuable information without earning it. EARNING IT WINSTON. Helping people with referrals or showing you stand for something is a way to EARN IT. ( give to people in need) STOP making assumptions without relevant details and demonizing people to make yourself look better. That is truly a weak person and occurs far too often with the people you claim aren't as good as foreign women. You really need to stop making assuptions and demonizing people that are actually good. You movement is empowering we just happen to have a different calling. Calling me a scammer is way off the mark and you know it.

[Winston]

You are doing exactly what far too many women in America do to their ex husbands. Re-write history and the truth to demonize to make you look better. I lost all respect for you and credibility for your "truth movement"
Yes I said deserving and I mean it. You don't know me and my passion and diverse experiences that helped create it. It's clear I am all about empowering deserving people. My time stamped posts alone show this. I happen to think that selfish , materialistic and bad people don't deserve to get valuable information without earning it. EARNING IT WINSTON. Helping people with referrals or showing you stand for something is a way to EARN IT. ( give to people in need) STOP making assumptions without relevant details and demonizing people to make yourself look better. That is truly a weak person and occurs far too often with the people you claim aren't as good as foreign women. You really need to stop making assuptions and demonizing people that are actually good. You movement is empowering we just happen to have a different calling. Calling me a scammer is way off the mark and you know it.

I NEVER said that you were a scammer! I NEVER used those words! What are you talking about? I said you have a bad attitude and a warped mind to think that everyone here doesn't deserve the free content on this site and that only those in an elite club that you approve of should be here. That is totally delusional. And it is.

I never said that you scam people. You may be a scammer. I don't know. You never scammed me. But that doesn't mean that you don't scam others. How can I know? I'm not arrogant like you and I don't have a God complex like you do. I don't pretend to know everything.

You are also delusional in thinking that every guy that knows you or is your buddy ought to claim that you are 100 percent honest and credible and real deal, just because you say so. Credibility doesn't work that way. Your mind is obviously warped and delusional.

I am not rewriting history. Those were YOUR words. You said that the guys here are UNDESERVING of the content and info here. YOU SAID THAT! DON'T LIE DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know what you said. I heard it many times!

Answer the questions I asked earlier! Why do you think you deserve to be in this movement, but other guys don't?

What did you mean by saying that I give away too much free info? What did you mean by that? ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!

How can I be giving away free info? I make a regular income from this site. How is that free info?

Stop using the typhoon victims as a red herrings to cover up your faults and bad attitude about us. That's a cheap attempt. Instead of using that as a red herring, why don't you donate to the relief efforts? Oh I know why, because you spent $770,000 trying to figure out the stock market and have nothing left. Uh huh.

So you claim that the guys are undeserving because they are "selfish , materialistic and bad people" as you say above? lol. How can you say that about a bunch of strangers here?

What do you mean by "earning it"? Are you saying that the guys here have to "earn" the content here, by paying you and worshipping you? What is it that you are suggesting? Stop the BS talk and be specific and serious here!

What do you suggest? That we take down this site and only let people that worship you be in this movement? How can you be that delusional and selfish? Do you have a God complex?

Do you really think this site should become locked and private, just to appease your ego?

Let's assume that you are an infallible expert and a successful qualified expert. Ok tell us what we should do with this movement. Close it up and make you the leader so that only those that you approve of who worship you and pay you should be part of it? lol

What do you suggest? ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!

Practice HUMILITY dude! You aren't a hotshot and act WAY TOO arrogant for what you have. If you want to salvage your credibility, then start by practicing HUMILITY. Not acting like a super arrogant hot shot know-it-all!

[innovatorsclub]

BINGO

"Have you ever thought about having a private forum for veteran members? I - and I know others too - hate it when someone posts information about a relatively untouched country publicly and then some dipshit comes in, says thanks for the free info, and then bails, presumably to go start f***ing up said new place."

Winston is he an elitist also or does he make a similar point?..Be careful winston the judge and jury might turn on you and slander you because you suggested you don't want someone ( in this case a dipshit) to ruin a new place

[Repatriate]

Winston, the expats here who have lived in Thailand for a long time have been saying from the beginning that this Steve R. guy is full of shit. Why are you always falling for low rent con men?

He's just another average shady white guy with an agenda. I thought it was readily apparent just from of the nonsense he was spouting. I can't believe you were planning on going into business with this idiot.

You seemed to be the only one falling for his shuck and jive everyone else didn't care.

[Winston]

Winston, the expats here who have lived in Thailand for a long time have been saying from the beginning that this Steve R. guy is full of shit. Why are you always falling for low rent con men?

He's just another average shady white guy with an agenda. I thought it was readily apparent just from of the nonsense he was spouting. I can't believe you were planning on going into business with this idiot.

You seemed to be the only one falling for his shuck and jive everyone else didn't care.

It was just you and AiB that didn't like him. How can you know if he's a con man or not? Did you catch him red handed lying about anything? I need proof and evidence. Not just speculation.

I can't know if what Steve said about Thailand is true or not. But I do know that his claim of having spent $770,000 in the stock market is full of hot air given that he has no money, no credit, and no money management skills. He can't even wait his turn in a board game, something which even kids can do, which indicates that he is highly reckless and acts without thinking.

That much I can gather from evidence and observation. But I have no hard proof of him lying about anything, thus I can't call him a scammer. A braggart maybe, but not a scammer because he does not ask for money or swindle anyone. So why do you call him a con man?

Btw, when you say "another shady white guy" it sounds like you know what I mean too, about how it seems that all the guys that brag a lot and talk big tend to be white guys. How come Asian guys rarely ever brag and talk big and act like big shots? It does seem that only white guys do that for the most part. Why is that? Is there something in white guys' genes that make them like that? lol

Maybe in ancient times, the Nordic barbarian races had to act big and pompous in order to frighten their enemies and survive? And a lot of white guys are descended from that?

[innovatorsclub]

Just to impress the three jealous braindead stooges I must have:

1.) Doctored all of the photos I have and a few samples given to Winston
2.) Contacted youtube to learn how to insert a thai girl driving me in her car into youtube ( two different girls and videos)
3.) Oh and I also called up American idol to see if I could insert one of their singers voices that got many many likes and compliments into my other video channel. It worked the girls bought it. they thought it was my amazing voice and romantic /confidence that turned them on.

Uhmm here is the thing as a daytrader in 1999-2001 I would make 1200 often times in the first 25 minutes of the market but then I foolishly overtraded with etrade @ $10 a trade and the 770 in commissions ate away most of the profits generated.

Guess what None of you jealous fools will learn what I know but maybe one day I will teach someone deserving and have him sign up for this ghost town forum and prove the success he gained by learning a few things that only experience can teach. And maybe if you stooges weren't so unattractive you wouldn't spend so much time bashing the guys who know what women want. ( hint it's not excessive body fat)