The human costs | Sex-tourism

[Yohan]

Why must we blame only one or the other? As the saying goes, "It takes two to tango". Those poor kids have the misfortune of having been born of two good-for-nothing parents.

In case of a marriage or at least in case of co-habitation of a couple you are right.

However we talk here about a female prostitute and her male customer and both of them are adults who agree to a business - sex in return of money.

Sorry, but her customer is in no way responsible for her offsprings. Why should he?

What has this to do with the argument the male customer is rich and the female prostitute is poor?
We cannot always talk about poor single moms and their poor kids. The financial situation of the prostitute and her male customer does not matter.

If a female accepts money from various customers in return of sex it is solely her responsibility if she gets pregnant.

BTW, not all female prostitutes are so poor, many make quite a lot of money and it's up to them - and surely not up to the male customer - to provide for their kids a nice home.

[Yohan]

Re: Cornfed
For both to use contraceptives would be an improvement. Or, if they have any doubts about a prostitute then they shouldn't use her services. Or, if they're not sure about prostitution in general in the area in question then they shouldn't use prostitution!consequences.

I deplore your idea to derail useful commerce in a particular area because of a few shady operators. Shame on you. As far as I know, there are no current male contraceptives that don't suck.

You could gender-reverse this sentence above to:

if they have any doubts about a MALE CUSTOMER then they shouldn't offer their services. Or, if they're not sure about prostitution in general in the area in question then they shouldn't participate in prostitution!consequences.

All what I have seen in my life, worldwide, there is almost everywhere a huge shortage of honest young girls who are looking for a long-term relationship - however there is no shortage of women who are willing to take money in return of sexual favors.

Maybe women should think about it and change their life-style?

[Will N. Dowd]

That documentary makes all the unseen Men guilty and the seen prostitutes as innocent.
Someone should do a documentary about the effects of:
Prostitution being illegal in anglo western countries (unless you call it dating and marriage)
False domestic violence accusations
False rape accusations
No fault divorce
Alimony
"Child" support (aka more alimony)

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Any woman who becomes pregnant as a result of sex tourism is at fault 100%. Even in the case of pregnancy due to rape, women have any number of means to prevent or end pregnancy quickly. If a woman becomes pregnant, it usually means she WANTED to become pregnant or to stay pregnant. In those rare cases were the women was just clueless, it is STILL her fault for not being up on the pregnancy risks of sexual activity.

[flowerthief00]

You could gender-reverse this sentence above to:

if they have any doubts about a MALE CUSTOMER then they shouldn't offer their services. Or, if they're not sure about prostitution in general in the area in question then they shouldn't participate in prostitution!consequences.

Indeed. That can be a companion sentence to the sentence I wrote. Call out both the man and the woman.

Prostitution is illegal in the Philippines, btw, so no one who is involved in it is blameless.

[flowerthief00]

Sorry, but her customer is in no way responsible for her offsprings. Why should he?

Because he contributed half of the child's DNA. A father should take care of his children. Those who don't are reprehensible fellows, like that man in the video who fathered multiple children with prostitutes. Don't make excuses for lowlifes like that.

[flowerthief00]

Sorry, but her customer is in no way responsible for her offsprings. Why should he?

Because he contributed half of the child's DNA which makes him the father. A father should take care of his children. Those who don't are reprehensible fellows, like that man in the video who fathered multiple children with prostitutes. Don't make excuses for them.

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However we talk here about a female prostitute and her male customer and both of them are adults who agree to a business - sex in return of money.

Funny that you should say that because I am often hearing that marriage is essentially the same transaction as prostitution. Sex for money. Well if they are the same....

[hypermak]

This should be titled "The human cost of irresponsible whores".

...or human ignorance, stupidity, extreme poverty...

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

Any woman who becomes pregnant as a result of sex tourism is at fault 100%. Even in the case of pregnancy due to rape, women have any number of means to prevent or end pregnancy quickly. If a woman becomes pregnant, it usually means she WANTED to become pregnant or to stay pregnant. In those rare cases were the women was just clueless, it is STILL her fault for not being up on the pregnancy risks of sexual activity.

Thank you...
Thank you

[Yohan]

Sorry, but her customer is in no way responsible for her offsprings. Why should he?

Because he contributed half of the child's DNA which makes him the father. A father should take care of his children. Those who don't are reprehensible fellows, like that man in the video who fathered multiple children with prostitutes. Don't make excuses for them.

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However we talk here about a female prostitute and her male customer and both of them are adults who agree to a business - sex in return of money.

Funny that you should say that because I am often hearing that marriage is essentially the same transaction as prostitution. Sex for money. Well if they are the same....

I have no idea, why this is all so difficult to understand.

A female prostitute and her male customer, both of them are adults and agree to a business - sex in return of money. He gets the requested sexual service and she gets the money and this is it. After this transaction is finished, she cannot claim anything from him, and he cannot claim anything from her.

It is a difference between 'marriage' - 'co-habitation' - 'prostitution'

1-
Marriage in the Western world is a contract where a man gives up his rights, basically agrees to a kind of slavery. The woman has the right, the man has the obligations - not only during marriage, but also after divorce.

2-
Co-habitation is a bit different, as long as both partners are registered at a different address. However should it be the same address, it will be considered after a few months same as a marriage.

3-
Prostitution is nothing like that, it is a one-time business transaction - sex for money.
it's like entering a shop, ordering any kind of goods or service - like a restaurant, barber shop, English lesson school... just something like that...

You pay and you receive what you request and after you leave... and this is it.

Simply said,
Her problems later on like pregnancy is not his problem...up to her.
His problems later on like to ask some assistance from a medical doctor is not her problem...up to him.

He owns her nothing, and she owns him nothing.

[Yohan]

Any woman who becomes pregnant as a result of sex tourism is at fault 100%. Even in the case of pregnancy due to rape, women have any number of means to prevent or end pregnancy quickly. If a woman becomes pregnant, it usually means she WANTED to become pregnant or to stay pregnant. In those rare cases were the women was just clueless, it is STILL her fault for not being up on the pregnancy risks of sexual activity.

I cannot say it better.
There is such a talk going on that 'you can take a girl out of a bar, but you cannot take the bar out of the girl'.

She has plenty of options while working in such a night-life environment to be informed about pregnancy and how to prevent it as there are many girls next to her doing such jobs all the time.

If she gets pregnant out of prostitution and still wants to give birth to such children - then I will consider her as a so-called 'powerful and proud single mom' who clearly does not want a husband and does not need a father for those children.

Sorry, but this is solely her choice, and she has to deal with it.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Sorry, but her customer is in no way responsible for her offsprings. Why should he?

Because he contributed half of the child's DNA. A father should take care of his children. Those who don't are reprehensible fellows, like that man in the video who fathered multiple children with prostitutes. Don't make excuses for lowlifes like that.

Dude, you sound like a feminist cuck. Get a clue please.

[yick]

It's not a black and white issue, are some prostitutes victims and the answer is of course they are - they are the recipient of violence and STD's - some of these men are utter cunts, I know a mate who has a friend who has HIV and goes to Thailand and Cambodia and f***s prostitutes bareback (still...). Some of the johns are victims or they become victims if they enter a relationship and marry with said prostitute, how many men have been poisoned or thrown out of their apartment block by their former bar girl wives?

It isn't like there is a trade school for prostitution and third world prostitiution is usually bourne out of povery and a lack of avenues for education and betterment so of course, many of these prostitutes become pregnant via their johns - it isn't like many of these women are the intellectual forefront of cultural womanhood in whatever country they live in. Do you think if the Philippines became a first world country tomorrow that the likes of Angeles City would exist?

[hypermak]

It's not a black and white issue, are some prostitutes victims and the answer is of course they are - they are the recipient of violence and STD's - some of these men are utter c**ts, I know a mate who has a friend who has HIV and goes to Thailand and Cambodia and f***s prostitutes bareback (still...). Some of the johns are victims or they become victims if they enter a relationship and marry with said prostitute, how many men have been poisoned or thrown out of their apartment block by their former bar girl wives?

It isn't like there is a trade school for prostitution and third world prostitiution is usually bourne out of povery and a lack of avenues for education and betterment so of course, many of these prostitutes become pregnant via their johns - it isn't like many of these women are the intellectual forefront of cultural womanhood in whatever country they live in. Do you think if the Philippines became a first world country tomorrow that the likes of Angeles City would exist?

If you watch the first video, there is one woman who says bar girls do ask their customers to wear protection "for mutual benefit". Most customer refuse and girls can't force them, else "they get mad". This is the typical set-up that gets girls STDs and unwanted pregnancies. Of course some girls migth be fresh our of the jungle and know no better, yet I am sure 90% of them know they need to prefer safe sex.

Do they have the enough assertiveness to ask for safe sex no matter who the customer is and how much they get in extra tips? Do they even have a choice, since they have been bar fined and they need to consume the transaction? For the little I know the Filipinos, they are either too passive and will give in to the customer's request, or even if they have a strong mind about it, they can be easily talked out of it for an extra few hundred pesos.

In a first world country where girls enter that lifestyle/profession out of boredom, or because they really want those designer clothes and buy a home by age 30, the "responsibility and consequences" talk may apply. In a set-up of destitution, ignorance and soft abuse, those girls might not have much choices. So every transaction is a huge gamble on their health and their wombs.

[yick]

It's not a black and white issue, are some prostitutes victims and the answer is of course they are - they are the recipient of violence and STD's - some of these men are utter c**ts, I know a mate who has a friend who has HIV and goes to Thailand and Cambodia and f***s prostitutes bareback (still...). Some of the johns are victims or they become victims if they enter a relationship and marry with said prostitute, how many men have been poisoned or thrown out of their apartment block by their former bar girl wives?

It isn't like there is a trade school for prostitution and third world prostitiution is usually bourne out of povery and a lack of avenues for education and betterment so of course, many of these prostitutes become pregnant via their johns - it isn't like many of these women are the intellectual forefront of cultural womanhood in whatever country they live in. Do you think if the Philippines became a first world country tomorrow that the likes of Angeles City would exist?

If you watch the first video, there is one woman who says bar girls do ask their customers to wear protection "for mutual benefit". Most customer refuse and girls can't force them, else "they get mad". This is the typical set-up that gets girls STDs and unwanted pregnancies. Of course some girls migth be fresh our of the jungle and know no better, yet I am sure 90% of them know they need to prefer safe sex.

Do they have the enough assertiveness to ask for safe sex no matter who the customer is and how much they get in extra tips? Do they even have a choice, since they have been bar fined and they need to consume the transaction? For the little I know the Filipinos, they are either too passive and will give in to the customer's request, or even if they have a strong mind about it, they can be easily talked out of it for an extra few hundred pesos.

In a first world country where girls enter that lifestyle/profession out of boredom, or because they really want those designer clothes and buy a home by age 30, the "responsibility and consequences" talk may apply. In a set-up of destitution, ignorance and soft abuse, those girls might not have much choices. So every transaction is a huge gamble on their health and their wombs.

Exactly - this is kind of my point, a desperate woman who doesn't have the education to understand bareback sex might have devastating consequences for her long term because she is being paid a few pesos more is a victim - even if she is a victim of her lack of education or understanding that these descisions can cost her, her life - she is a still a victim - a lot of guys will pay a few more pesos/baht or whatever and nine months later, the whore has an unwanted guest - I don't think we should compare an uneducated woman in the third world who is selling herself out of necessity to the john which is being done here - the john usually has more power, more financial clout, better schooled and arguably more intellect.

That's not to say there aren't johns who aren't victims, there are certainly johns who are victims of prostitutes and prostitution - they sometimes fall in love and marry them and end up losing everything they have worked for, sometimes their lives.