Is the Jewish Race a Myth and Hoax? Are they Khazars?

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Re: Is the Jewish Race a Myth and Hoax?

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droid wrote:
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Cornfed wrote:I do too, but this would seem to be mostly because of the depredations of your fellow Jews. The mixture of hilarity and horror that is modern society is not necessarily as humanity comes out of the box. There have been huge campaigns to make it this way, and Ashkenazi Jews seem to have been at the forefront of all of them.
I understand Judaism better than I did in the past, and you have a better grasp of reality than most posters here, so let's get to the bottom of this in this thread. I will just ask some questions.

First, I assume we are just talking about Talmudic Judaism, not Karaite Judaism or some other ancient form of Judaism. So my first question is, does Talmudic Judaism do anything more than act in its logical self-interest? If yes, what exactly?
But is it really about religion, strictly? Instead of a cultural thing?
How about all those "atheists" or at least "seculars" that have had influence on the development of modern culture? i.e. communists, feminists, etc
According to what's coming out communism and feminism were created by the Zionist so as I stated the religion card fits in there as well as just another tool for control.
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But, what do you define as Zionists moretorque?
I make a clear distinction between

1)The original "zionists" that wanted to form the state of israel
2)Those mobster jews pushing for jewish supremacy/control/agendas in their host countries/world, as per the PEOZ.

An individual may form part of the two above in different degrees.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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As far as the OP goes, yeah this is mostly a hoax that even they themselves buy into.
But it's a no-win discussion, if you say they're not a 'race' then you're told your trying to "exterminate" them, at least intellectually. If you say they're a 'race' then you're a 'Nazi' that targets them for extermination.

The story of the Khazars/ashkenazims is plastered all over the net last time i checked. Together with the Russian influx, etc it's obvious this is not a 'race' but just a cultural group sharing a somewhat common experience etc.
But simultaneously, religion doesn't bind the group completely. Half of Israel's "jews" are atheists, so on that alone they shouldn't even have citizenship.

Oddly enough what seems to bind the group the most in a way is all the wwii propaganda.

The term "jew" is a modern term AFAIK, and also it originally may just have referred to the inhabitants of Judea (long gone or perhaps partly the sephardic 'jews', or jordanian/palestinians).
The Star of David is just a modern Icon as well, in its current context. It was used in the past as well as other symbols, but it did not have the significance they attribute to it today.
A curious example of disinformation:
In the movie "the mummy" the loser guy shows a Star of David to the mummy and it "recognizes" it as the symbol of the "slaves", but that would be impossible.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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droid wrote:But, what do you define as Zionists moretorque?
I make a clear distinction between

1)The original "zionists" that wanted to form the state of israel
2)Those mobster jews pushing for jewish supremacy/control/agendas in their host countries/world, as per the PEOZ.

An individual may form part of the two above in different degrees.
Here is the conclusion I have come to, I am not saying I am right but the truth is coming out more so everyday and it points to the fact that more than likely a group of people have enacted a plot to inherit the earth and they have been working on this for at least a couple centuries.

Zionism was created by people claiming to be Jewish. These people who are claiming to be of the original group who wrote the bible more than likely are not and have been using religion as a front to practice usury for world domination under the name of Gods work and his tribe.

A couple centuries with unlimited money is plenty of time to rewrite most history and dupe us sheep good. There are groups of people who are practicing Judaism who can trace their linage back much farther than 2 or 3 hundred years but how much of that history being put forth as being accurate for real history is very ? able.

I believe throughout the centuries there have been lots of conversions and these people are not of the real blood line of the writers of the book but want us to believe they are and the Palestinians and the people practicing Judaism there in the Palistine area the last several thousand years are the same bloodline and more than likely the real writers of the book.

My belief is that Israel never really existed as a nation state and the Zionist are making up Israel something that never existed and they are lying about pretty much everything over the last 100 plus years.

I believe most of the bible as fiction especially the 1st book mixed with old stories and 1/2 truths. I have read some of FShmidt posts on this subject and he believes the main stream narrative but it has come to my attention the last 50 years since I have been here that pretty much everything I was taught as history my entire life is all pretty much lies.

He even admitted the banks were running the show, we are just waiting for people to figure out what it means to have access to unlimited money the last 2 or 3 centuries and how that can warp the reality for the people of planet earth. By the way most of the people running the banking system are Jewish so any history they portray for themselves should possibly be under heavy scrutiny.

He also believes WW2 as a factual account of how things took place and I say the victors write history.

So there is a small group who are primarily Ashkenazi who created Zionism who pretty much run everything and everybody else works for them because they invented and control the worlds money supply system. Most of the upper level jobs in the system are filled by other Ashkenazi Jews but not all Jewish people subscribe to this mafia.

If anybody wants to fill me in or correct me feel free to do so, this is a fascinating subject in my book and as I stated I could very well be wrong.
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droid wrote:As far as the OP goes, yeah this is mostly a hoax that even they themselves buy into.
But it's a no-win discussion, if you say they're not a 'race' then you're told your trying to "exterminate" them, at least intellectually. If you say they're a 'race' then you're a 'Nazi' that targets them for extermination.

The story of the Khazars/ashkenazims is plastered all over the net last time i checked. Together with the Russian influx, etc it's obvious this is not a 'race' but just a cultural group sharing a somewhat common experience etc.
But simultaneously, religion doesn't bind the group completely. Half of Israel's "jews" are atheists, so on that alone they shouldn't even have citizenship.

Oddly enough what seems to bind the group the most in a way is all the wwii propaganda.

The term "jew" is a modern term AFAIK, and also it originally may just have referred to the inhabitants of Judea (long gone or perhaps partly the sephardic 'jews', or jordanian/palestinians).
The Star of David is just a modern Icon as well, in its current context. It was used in the past as well as other symbols, but it did not have the significance they attribute to it today.
A curious example of disinformation:
In the movie "the mummy" the loser guy shows a Star of David to the mummy and it "recognizes" it as the symbol of the "slaves", but that would be impossible.
At least if you end up in a jail cell you can probably break out with your bionic body.

Some of the Ashkenazi's have been inter breeding for a long time and some do have traits of being a distinct race, my step fathers friend traces his linage back over 1000 years so they are a tight nit group some of them. His friend is a Radio Physicist but guess what his father was ? a New York Jew working for the Wall Street banks as an attorney the legal arm of the International bankers.
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Is there anything in the DNA of the Jews that is different? Where did the Zionists come from? If the modern Jews are Khazars, then why have most people not heard of the Khazars?

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droid wrote: The term "jew" is a modern term AFAIK, and also it originally may just have referred to the inhabitants of Judea (long gone or perhaps partly the sephardic 'jews', or jordanian/palestinians).
The Star of David is just a modern Icon as well, in its current context. It was used in the past as well as other symbols, but it did not have the significance they attribute to it today.
A curious example of disinformation:
In the movie "the mummy" the loser guy shows a Star of David to the mummy and it "recognizes" it as the symbol of the "slaves", but that would be impossible.
If "Jew" is a modern word, then how come Martin Luther in the 1500's wrote a treatise called "On the Jews and Their Lies"?

Why do Jews like Liberalism, Socialism and Communism so much?

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Winston wrote:
droid wrote: The term "jew" is a modern term AFAIK, and also it originally may just have referred to the inhabitants of Judea (long gone or perhaps partly the sephardic 'jews', or jordanian/palestinians).
The Star of David is just a modern Icon as well, in its current context. It was used in the past as well as other symbols, but it did not have the significance they attribute to it today.
A curious example of disinformation:
In the movie "the mummy" the loser guy shows a Star of David to the mummy and it "recognizes" it as the symbol of the "slaves", but that would be impossible.
If "Jew" is a modern word, then how come Martin Luther in the 1500's wrote a treatise called "On the Jews and Their Lies"?

Why do Jews like Liberalism, Socialism and Communism so much?

Shocking documentary.

The Other Israel - Khazar, Zionism, Talmudic Jews - Documentary

Martin Luther was German. It was probably written in German? I dont think the time for the word Jew coming onto the scene is correct. It is in the Bible, written in 1611.

Regarding the Jews and their lies, this one proves that the Jews are no more chosen than anyone else.

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The Jews do not consider themselves a race and never did. The whole concept of race was developed in Europe more or less in the 16-18 centuries. The Jews traditionally consider themselves " 'am", a people or a nation.

Who said they were a race? Hitler ( and other similar theorists) did- based on the German racial theories, his obsession with Arianism and his belief that Germans were also a "race". Again, Germans are a people, not a race. But then again, it depends on what one considers to be " race". Many Germans do consider themselves to be a race and so do many Japanese. Americans do not consider them races. So, who are we going to listen to?

Having said all that, according to most people in Europe, the Jews are an ethnic group which is not indigenous to Europe but which is from the Middle East ( and which should go back there- many say). The same belief applies to Gypsies which are again seen as a non indigenous group in Europe, but are from India ( Rajastan) originally.

I am in Ukraine now, and no one here would say that Jews are Khazars. Actually, where I am now used to be Khazaria. Khazars were Turkic and not Semitic. Jews are seen as Semitic here - similar to Arabs and Berbers. Ukrainians here know that Khazars are one and Jews ( whom them call yevrey- Hebrews) are another. The Kievans used to fight the Khazars and Jews used to be the finaciers. Two different groups here.

The Khazar theory postulates that Jews in E. Europe are actually Turkic converts and not the Semitic Jews from the Middle East. There is a grain of truth in it- but only a grain. When the Khazar kingdom existed, it's top echelons converted to Judaism. According to the Jewish law, any convert to Judaism is a Jew no matter what origins. This accounts for a very small admixture of Khazars into the Jewish ethnic pool, true. But it does not mean that they are the majority.

Compare it to the old Russian law that any convert to Russian orthodoxy is a Russian now- which allowed Ethiopians and Germans to join the Russian nation. Or to the Arabic cultural principle that anyone who speaks Arabic is an Arab ( which allowed for many ethnic groups to join Arabs- in smaller amounts). However, the former are still mostly Slavic and the latter are still mostly Semites.

The main flaw with the Jews are Khazars theory is the Yiddish language and the names. These clearly indicate the flow of bulk of Jews from the S. Roman Empire into Germany and then into Poland and the Russian Empire. The Germans gave quasi German names to Jews - Goldberg, Steinberg, Goldstein, etc. The Jews also developed a patois of German mixed with Hebrew and spoke it in millions. It has no Turkic words whatsoever.

So, an Abe Goldstein in Brooklyn is not a Khazar by any stretch of imagination.

No DNA results proving the Khazar blood have been presented- there's too little of it.
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Jews dont consider themselves a race because they are not a race, just like germans, russians and other ethnicities cant be considered as races.

Race can be white,black,yellow etc, think of race as a broader term then under that you have ethnicities/nations/people.
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The Jews are not a race but they do consider themselves to be a race.

You can be Jewish and be atheist. You can be Jewish and be Buddhist.

Why do they insist that the mother be Jewish?

They are white like anyone else, but they dont consider themselves to be white like anyone else. They consider themselves to be a superior race. That's why they're not supposed to date or marry outside of their non-religious ethnicity. It isnt about religion because the atheists consider themselves to be ethnically Jewish.

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It really depends who and where is doing the classifying or considering.

There are some who consider themselves a race ( in the US), but it's said informally by some, kind of like "the Irish race". Traditionally, there's no such thing in the Jewish teachings. By the way, the British did use to consider the Irish a race.

Jews are called collectively "Am Yisrael" in Hebrew. That comes from the ultimate authority- the Torah. It overrides anyone's opinion and/or law. The word 'am' does not mean " race", it means " a nation" or " a people".

There's no formal document now anywhere stating that they are a race, nor is there any official writing by them stating that fact.

Whites/blacks is a US thing. Jews are " white" in the US now. They are also white in other Anglo countries. They did not used to be white, especially in the South where it was the blacks, the whites and the Jews. But even there, they were not marked as a Jewish race. Afaik.

In some British docs way back, Jews were also marked as a race, I think, but no more.

Also, in Latin America and Spain, sometimes Jews are called a race, but this is not formal or official. So, it depends. I go by formal and official government and international categories or other official documents.

I am not in the US now, but in Ukraine. In Ukraine, there is no 'white' category, nor is there a race category. In no document here are Jews written in as a race. They used to be marked as a nationality in internal passports, but not as a race.

As an ethnic group with Semitic origins- true. But this is not official now, and again it depends in what country they are and what time period it is. In 2015, they are not a race anywhere officially.

In Israel, there is a marking for citizenship- Israeli, and for nationality ( ethnicity). It was written in the latter Jewish and/or Arab, Armenian, Druze, etc. Now, it is no longer written as such.

Conclusion: some people/countries consider Jews to be a race, and some do not although no country or official body now marks them as a race anywhere. Some Jews will call themselves a race, some will call themselves a nation( ality) and some will just consider themselves a religious group. Some countries ( E/C and S. Europe and Central Asia- pop 400-500 millions people) will consider them a separate ethnicity/nationality and some ( as in N/W Europe, the Anglo colonies and Arab countries) will only see them as a religious group. It depends on where you are located.

Here is a Russian birth certificate. It says clearly- nationality: Hebrew ( Jewish- in that language, there is no difference). This was not voluntary, but based on parentage which the authorities had investigated. There is no entry for race there. If you think that Jews are not a nationality, either, then you will have to take it up with the Russian ( and Polish, Kazakh, Romanian) authorities ( and people) and convince them. A call to the Russian ( and other such ) Embassy will be a good start. Riding around Russia ( and countries around) with a loudspeaker explaining that fact to the 400-500 million people there may have some effect.

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Anti Jewish feelings are called Anti Semitism. This term was coined by Germans. Khazars were nor Semitic, they were Turkic. Trust me, Germans would know.
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Lad


Since you have Jewish background do you consider yourself and other Jews as nation,ethnic group? or a religion?



You cant be a Slav, right?
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