Why are Jews hated so much? Why Antisemitism?

[fschmidt]

Yeah. Get raped in business dealings with Jews and get a taste of their ethics and values.

Just curious if they were liberal American Jews or some other kind (Orthodox or foreign)? I don't care much for liberal American Jews myself. I personally got raped worst in business dealings with an American of Irish decent.

[Adama]

Yeah. Get raped in business dealings with Jews and get a taste of their ethics and values.

Just curious if they were liberal American Jews or some other kind (Orthodox or foreign)? I don't care much for liberal American Jews myself. I personally got raped worst in business dealings with an American of Irish decent.

78% of Jews vote Democrat. Maybe that means 78% of Jews are liberal.

[fschmidt]

78% of Jews vote Democrat. Maybe that means 78% of Jews are liberal.

Of course you mean 78% of AMERICAN Jews vote Democratic. This says nothing about non-American Jews. I just looked it up and found that 22% of American Jews are Orthodox, so your number makes sense. Note that Orthodox Judaism is growing rapidly while non-Orthodox Judaism is declining.

[Adama]

78% of Jews vote Democrat. Maybe that means 78% of Jews are liberal.

Of course you mean 78% of AMERICAN Jews vote Democratic. This says nothing about non-American Jews. I just looked it up and found that 22% of American Jews are Orthodox, so your number makes sense. Note that Orthodox Judaism is growing rapidly while non-Orthodox Judaism is declining.

<shrugs>

They did a pretty good job of changing the USA, didnt they? Immediately pre, during and post WWII, the communist Jews of Europe ran across to Columbia university to continue their Frankfurt school nonsense, which you can pretty much say ruined the character of western civilization.

[fschmidt]

They did a pretty good job of changing the USA, didnt they? Immediately pre, during and post WWII, the communist Jews of Europe ran across to Columbia university to continue their Frankfurt school nonsense, which you can pretty much say ruined the character of western civilization.

It's my turn to shrug because you can find Jews on both sides of pretty much any question. The conservative Chicago school of economics was basically started by a Jew (Milton Friedman) and the conservative Austrian School was co-founded by a Jew (Ludwig von Mises).

Jews tend to be more active than the general population, so bad Jews do more damage and good Jews do more good. So while Jews certainly played a (non-exclusive) role in ruining western civilization, Jews also represent one of the best hopes of saving civilization in the model provided by Orthodox Jews.

[Think Different]

Excellent post, fschmidt. It's true, the Jews do tend to get heavily involved in social matters, possibly more than the average citizen. Perhaps they feel a moral obligation to do so, despite that feeling sometimes being misguided.

[Adama]

They did a pretty good job of changing the USA, didnt they? Immediately pre, during and post WWII, the communist Jews of Europe ran across to Columbia university to continue their Frankfurt school nonsense, which you can pretty much say ruined the character of western civilization.

It's my turn to shrug because you can find Jews on both sides of pretty much any question. The conservative Chicago school of economics was basically started by a Jew (Milton Friedman) and the conservative Austrian School was co-founded by a Jew (Ludwig von Mises).

Jews tend to be more active than the general population, so bad Jews do more damage and good Jews do more good. So while Jews certainly played a (non-exclusive) role in ruining western civilization, Jews also represent one of the best hopes of saving civilization in the model provided by Orthodox Jews.

Agitators. Yes.

They are often on both sides. Henry Ford observed this as well. 3/4ths of Jews will take the progressive side, while 1/4th will take the conservative side. This makes it look like the political Jews are truly divided when they mostly are not.

I would dig up the quote from Henry Ford's writings, but this doesnt quite interest me enough to bother.

[Adama]

Excellent post, fschmidt. It's true, the Jews do tend to get heavily involved in social matters, possibly more than the average citizen. Perhaps they feel a moral obligation to do so, despite that feeling sometimes being misguided.

Yes, it is only by accident that these people happen to be mostly all Jewish.

It is also an extreme accident that they are all mostly trying to bring down western civilization.

Two huge mistakes. HUGE!

[patex_]

I was wondering something. Why do so many countries and people, especially the Slavs, hate the Jews?

Why the Slavs in particular hate the Jews? Well, one reason might be that in Ukraine, top level Jews in the Soviet Union were responsible for carrying out genocide of Ukrainian people during the early 1930s, and then later during the Communist terror of 1937-38.

The man in charge of this operation was Lazar Kaganovich, a Jew assigned by Stalin to carry out this death by famine ("Holodomor"). Kaganovich, known by the locals as "The Butcher of Ukraine," supervised man-made famines, the collectivization of farms, and the confiscation of crops and livestock by the Red Army and the NKVD (Soviet secret police). The result was 7 million Ukrainian deaths during 1933-34.

Later during 1937-38, in the Ukrainian city of Vinnytsia, tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians, mostly farmers, were arbitrarily arrested in the middle of the night by the NKVD, and subsequently executed by a .22 in the back of the neck.

Incidentally, the head of the NKVD during this time also was a Jew: Genrikh Yagoda.

So if Slavs hold pro-Nazi feelings, as well as harbor deep hatred of the Jews, this historical event might provide some insight into why.

Did the Jews actually do something to deserve all that, or are they innocent victims of evil like the Jewish controlled US media portray?

Winston, please use a little more common sense and critical thinking before you ask such a question.

If you know that the Jews control the US media, and if you know that they portray themselves as "innocent victims of evil," then doesn't that strike you as a bit self-serving?

Wouldn't it make sense, as a matter of self-interest, that they portray themselves in such a way, and then disseminate that portrayal to a mass audience of non-Jews to win them over to their side?

So if Jews who control the media portray themselves in such a self-serving manner, then shouldn't it be fairly obvious that truth will probably be subordinate to the goal of advancing their self-interest above everyone else's?

Think, man -- THINK!

[scorpy]

The Jewish Encyclopedia of 1905, states that Sassoon expanded his opium trade into China and Japan. He placed his eight sons in charge of the major opium exchanges in China. According to the 1944 Jewish Encyclopedia: "He employed only Jews in his business, and wherever he sent them he built synagogues and schools for them. He imported whole families of fellow Jews . . . and put them to work."

Sassoon's sons were busy pushing this mind-destroying drug in Canton, China. Between 1830 and 1831 they trafficked 18,956 chests of opium, earning millions of dollars. Part of the profits went to Queen Victoria and the British government. In the year 1836 the trade increased to over 30,000 chests and drug addiction became endemic in coastal cities.

In 1839, the Manchu Emperor ordered it stopped and named Commissioner of Canton, Lin Tse-hsu, to lead a campaign against opium. Lin seized 2,000 chests of Sassoon opium and threw it into the river. An outraged David Sassoon demanded that Great Britain retaliate. Thus, the Opium Wars began with the British Army fighting as mercenaries of the Sassoons. They attacked cities and blockaded ports. The Chinese Army, decimated by 10 years of rampant opium addiction, proved no match for the British Army. The war ended in 1839 with the signing of "The Treaty of Nanking." This included provisions especially designed to guarantee the Sassoons the right to enslave an entire population with opium. The "peace treaty" included the following provisions:-

Full legalization of the opium trade in China,
Compensation from the opium stockpiles confiscated by Lin of 2 million pounds,
Territorial sovereignty for the British Crown over two hundred offshore islands.
Sassoon's use the British Army to Drug an entire Nation
British Prime Minister Palmerston wrote Crown Commissiner Captain Charles Elliot that the treaty didn't go far enough. He said it should have been rejected out of hand because: "After all, our naval power is so strong that we can tell the Emperor what we mean to hold rather than what he would cede. We must demand the admission of opium into interior China as an article of lawful commerce and increase the indemnity payments and British access to several additional Chinese ports." Thus, China not only had to reimburse Sassoon the value of his dumped opium but to pay England the sum of 21 million pounds for the cost of the war!

This gave the Sassoon's monopoly rights to distribute opium in port cities. However, even did not satisfy him and Sassoon demanded the right to sell opium throughout the nation. The Manchus resisted and the British Army again attacked in the "Second Opium War fought 1858 - 1860. Palmerston declared that all of interior China must be open for uninterrupted opium traffic. The British suffered a defeat at the Taku Forts in June 1859, when sailors, ordered to seize the forts, were run aground in the mud-choked harbor and several hundred killed or captured. An enraged Palmerston said: "We shall teach such a lesson to these perfidious hordes that the name of Europe will hereeafter be a passport of fear."

In October, the British besieged Peking. When the city fell, British commander Lord Elgin, ordered the temples in the city sacked and burned to the ground as a show of comtempt. In the new "eace Treaty" of Oct.25, 1860, the British were assigned rights to a vastly expanded opium trade covering seven-eights of China, which brought in over 20 million pounds in 1864 alone. In that year, the Sassoons imported 58,681 chests of opium and by 1880 it skyrocketed to 105,508 chests, making the Sassoons the richest Jews in the world. England was given the Hong Kong peninsula as a colony and large sections of Amoy, Canton, Foochow, Ningpo and Shanghai. The Sassoons were now licensing opium dens in each British occupied area with large fees being collected by their Jewish agents. Sassoon would not allow any other race to engage in "the Jews' business."

http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/539591.aspx

[Think Different]

Is this the same Sassoon family that spawned Vidal Sassoon of beauty products fame, not to mention the blue jeans, etc.?

It was always my understanding that the Russians in particular don't like the Jews, due to the fact that the Bolsheviks and early Soviet leadership were in large part Jews. I can't vouch for the accuracy of this, but this page seems to have them well listed. In particular, Lavrentia Beria, who was the early head of the NKVD was a particularly evil bastard, who would kidnap schoolgirls and rape them in his office:

http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html

If you look at the hardest of the hard-core leftist advocates of socialism/marxism in the US today, including many in Hollyweird, a large percentage of them are Jews, even though they change their names to hide their origins. E.g. Did you know that Kirk Douglas is a Jew?

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-folder.html

[ladislav]

The main thing against the Jews in Ukraine was not Kaganovich. He was simply another 'proof; of how bad the Jews are. But Russian-bashing and killing the Russians was also a thing that lasted in W. Ukraine until the 1950ies. It used to be a very intolerant land. Partly because it was not independent. Now that it is, things have quieted down. The people got their country and now they rule their own affairs.

The root causes of past intolerance go deeper and further back in time and are basically - very intolerant Christianity in Europe in the Middle Ages- it was like Islam is now. Jews were not given citizenship and the Church taught people that these killed their God- Jesus. They were not allowed to till land. And were barred from most guilds. So, they had to become lenders and tax collectors. And merchants. For every rich Sasoon, there were a million Jewish ragmen and petty merchants who were dirt poor and living in a hostile environment.

Plus Judaism itself is intolerant and a nasty religion period. So, when these religious theories clash, particularly when you have ignorant people who are not educated except in their religion, there is trouble.

Then, the Poles hired Jews to collect taxes from Ukrainians. So, Ukrainians rebelled and killed Poles and Jews.

The hatred brewed for ages. One hears about the Ukrainian anti Jewish sentiment but most do not know what they used to think of Poles or do to them. They used to skin them alive. In the provinces around my birthplace horrible things happened. But it is not in the news.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_ ... n_Volhynia

Ukraine ( according to local chauvinists) traditionally has three enemies:

Poles, Russians and Yids.

These are not Jews:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lipikach.jpg

Antisemitism in E Europe is simply part of ethnic intolerance there. The nations there often hate each other.

But that was then. Now nothing like this is happening. I was in Ukraine and everybody is living in peace and there are synagogues and churches of all denominations and everybody looks happy. Skinheads are in jail now, Blacks and Arabs and Jews with yarmulke are running around everywhere.

The Chinese after the opium trouble did not decide to attack Jews. The boxer revolt was against the Foreign Devils. Not Jews. Heck, like an average Chinese knows the difference between one long nose and another.

[Winston]

What is the difference between Jews and Zionism by the way?

Conspiracists sometimes use those terms interchangeably. Isn't Zionism more about politics or nationalism regarding the state of Israel?

[ladislav]

You are right. Zionism was simply a movement to establish a Jewish homeland in the Middle East. Conspiracy theorists believe that Jewish leaders support the Zionist state and do everything to make sure its interests and safety are protected.
Zionism was popular when there was great persecution against Jews as a race in Europe and most other countries would not take them. Jews were not nationals of countries and were seen as an alien element that could not assimilate. It appeared parallel to other nationalist movements in Europe.
Only very very religious Jews from America and other Anglo Saxon countries participated in it. As opposed to European Jews where Jews from all walks of life did.
The reason being is that in America no one told American born Jews to get out whereas in Europe they were constantly told that they were not in their country and told to get out.

[globetrotter]

You are right. Zionism was simply a movement to establish a Jewish homeland in the Middle East.

The reason why I waste no time on matters like this is because critics of Zionism, which is just the concept that Jews have the right to a nation, do not ever criticize all of the other nations on earth that claim that they have a right to their own nations. I cannot think of one single country that did not engage in killing people to get their nation. That is the history of humanity but for some reason CT'ers obsess over The Joooos.