Jewish Fear of Intermarriage

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That's a good point. I wonder how the girl's family, or anyone else in Norway, is reacting to this? There are a lot fewer Norwegians than there are Jews.


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The typical way to dispute the idea of the Jewish "race" is to post pictures of people who don't look Jewish, but who are Jewish. There is a logical fallacy to that simply because they are an exception, not the rule.

Ironically, in caricatures against Jews, they do look Jewish. Like this:

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They look basically like Arabs- almost Egyptian-like. So what gives? Why didn't they show the Jew as a Chinese or an African?

Most Jews ( way more than 50 %) belong to the Semitic "race". The Jews who are Aryan-looking and blond or the ones who are black, or even Chinese-looking do exist, but they are on the fringes - they are not the majority.

But even then, if you have a sharp eye, you can pick out Jewish blood in most of them. Germans and E. Euros have such a sharp eye, and can pick Jews out even if blond. So can S. Africans. An American generally cannot.

An American just does not have such an eye as a rule. Unless really trained. For example, Mark Zuckerberg still looks Jewish to me, but in the US, they will call him Caucasian, and most Americans won't give him a second look. I will. A South African will, too. They have an eye. Dumbed down Americans don't.

Most Jews look similar to average Italians and/or Greeks/Armenians. Or Northern Arabs. Mediterranean-looking, albeit I can still tell them from the former.

Oh, by the way, I can deny the existence of the Arab race, too.

The same can be said about the Arabs: there is no race. There are those who are black- as in Somalia, and many who are blonde in Lebanon, and redheads in Syria. I've met Arabs who looked like Germans and those who looked like Nigerians. There were even Arabs with Sinoid features- looking Japanese.

It doesn't mean, however, that an average Arab looks like Leonardo di Caprio or Mao Tse Tung. When a crowd of Arabs walks through a small town in Germany, or even here in Ohio, they will stick out as Semites overall. When a crowd of Jews walks through a small town in Poland, they'll stick out even if dressed the like locals. Because Poles do not have any Semitic blood at all.

The Law of Return in Israel guarantees that anyone with a Jewish grandparent can immigrate. Thus you do have a minority of people ( less than 50 percent) who don't look typically Jewish. They are still Jewish by Jewish law. And DNA tests prove it too.

Thus, yes, there are Jews that don't look Jewish. But they are not typical. And its the same with Arabs.

Another fallacy is that , some say that because Jewishness is transferred through the mother, then all Jews are mixed and the ethnicity is extremely diluted. Not so- they forget the fact that Jewish women by tradition do not marry non-Jewish men. At least, for millennia they did not. What is happening in the US in terms of mingling is very recent.

And yes, they had mingled some with the neighboring tribes in the past, but those were the same Semites as them. It would be like a Filipino mixing with an Indonesian.

And some Jews in Russia are blond, but a Russian can still pick them out. The nose is slightly different, the eyes, etc. A German can also pick Jews out.

But such niceties would be lost on an average American- he can only see black, white, Hispanic etc.

Many assimilated ( Anglo Saxonized) Jews in the US are also the result of the US education system and have little idea of Jewishness. Most have little idea what they are-- this is why Jews in Israel even question if these are Jewish at all. In America, Jews are now "white people"
and "Americans". They don't know Jewish history, and some even proclaim- 'I am Polish, I am Russian'. Insanity really. They were kicked out of those countries because they were not Polish or Russian. Is Rosenberg a Russian name? Is Levine a Polish name? How come they don't march in Polish pride parades in Chicago?

Also the Jewish names such as Weinstein, Goldberg, etc were created by Germans precisely to distinguish Jews from Germans. These names sound ridiculous to a German ear. But, again, an average American can't tell.

In total, exceptions to the rules do not prove that the rule is wrong. Ironically, this Nazi propaganda film

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwsySS2EzgU [/youtube]

is extremely accurate in depicting Jewish history and who the Jews are. This is precisely how most Europeans view Jews. It was not a Nazi idea- the Nazis simply crystallized it.

I invite you to look at this cross section of Jews in Jerusalem and tell me how you can place them ethnically. Not even one Chinese, black or Aryan face. They all look like Northern Arabs. Because that is what they are. Same DNA



Another thing is that Jews never called themselves a "race". They call themselves " am" which means " a people", a nation, an ethnicity, not a race.

And other deniers of Jewish ethnicity say that Judaism is not a race. Which is correct. But who practices Judaism? Japanese people?

People of Hebrew ethnicity mostly.

In most Slavic languages as well as in Italian, they use the words "Hebrew nation" to designate Jews. Here is a Soviet birth certificate. On page 2, third paragraph, it says " nationality: Hebrew". Not self-designated. The government did it.

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This below is a Soviet police card/ poster to determine the "nationality" of a person - there's no difference between nationality and ethnicity of people inthat country. When cops arrested you or checked you, they had to compare it to that card. Curiously, Russian is first top left and Ukrainian is second top left. Amazingly, they are right. They look different.

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It says Jew ( Hebrew) - top row fourth from the left.

No such terms/cards or paragraphs in English in the US or anywhere in the Anglo Saxon world. That's why Americans are confused about it.

Teaching Americans about this is quite an effort.
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Thanks for the interesting post, Mr. Ladislav.

In the USA, most Jews are fully assimilated into the basic White culture. Few people even think about it, or even care whether anyone is Jewish. The exception being our ultra-Orthodox population, mostly in New York. Although a lot of us would probably mistake them for Amish, if we happened to see some.

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(these guys are Amish)

Most of us never cared about Mark Zuckerberg's religion, but folks in Jerusalem sure seem proud:

http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewis ... -Jews-1-10

I wonder if anyone is complaining about his Chinese wife?

I don't think that your Nazi propaganda video "is extremely accurate in depicting Jewish history and who the Jews are" (obviously, the Nazis were seeking to justify mass murder, so they're going to put a less-than-positive spin on things), although it may be precisely how most Europeans view Jews.

Here in the USA, a lot of Christians have gone from hating Jews for having killed Jesus, to loving Jews to death.

http://www.cufi.org/site/PageServer

They are now fanatically pro-Israel, even moreso than a lot of American Jews are.
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By the way, you're Slavic, aren't you? I think that the Nazis also had some not-so-nice things to say about the Slavs. But, at least among the White Supremacists, that seems to have been forgotten and forgiven. You're all just "White Europeans" now, threatened not only by Jews, but also by Arab, Turkish and African migrants.
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America is barely 4% of the world population. The modern American view point is not shared by many other nations. The views and treatment of Jews is not shared. The concepts and registering of Jews is not the same.

In Ukraine, for example the very government in censuses treats Jews as a separate nationality. It also does not consider Russians born in Ukraine as Ukrainians. Try explaining the American model to them. Walk into the government office there and tell them they are wrong.

"White Christian" is an American term. "White' is an American term. So as long as all these Jewish debates take place within the American context, most of your points are valid. An average American will not distinguish a Jew from an Amish, but a Polish person will. So will a Ukrainian. Even a German. In their countries.

An American can't. Too bad.

Assimilating into the so called white US culture is easy- just speak English with no accent and have money and look "Caucasian". And if born in the US, totally American. Actually, that is the second requirement. Born here.

Assimilating into German, Slovak, Ukrainian etc is not only not easy, it's not possible. You can't be one of them even if born there. Just like in Japan. Racial purity is requiered.

The birth certificate I showed you clearly states "Nationality Hebrew". Based on the ancestry of those people. They are not seen as locals by the people there. They were told to go back to their country by:

The Poles
The Ukrainians
The Russians
The Germans

I can put another 10 nationalities here who told them to go back. They are not Russians, they are not Poles. They are Hebrews according to those countries official line.

You will have hard time convincing half of Europe and all of Russia that these Jews are Slovaks, Russians and Poles. You may want to try though.

As far as Hitler's video

The Russians, the Poles, all of Central/E. Europe basically sees Jews the same as in that video. I invite you to talk to them. They can't speak English, though. Most of their views on Jews are in local languages.

The Christian organizations backing Israel are again in the US. The Russian church does not back them. Neither does the Polish church. In Russia and in Poland.
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ladislav wrote: As far as Hitler's video, please pin point the innacuracies.
This does interest (why, I don't know--it just does)--I'll come back to it later. But, they started talking about 4000 years ago. That's about 1000 years before Abraham.
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Well, yes because the Jews are descendants of Semitic tribes from Iraq. Those tribes were there. They are not even from Palestine, originally. Israel should have been built in Iraq, actually. But if we go that far back, the English should go back to Denmark.

Anyway, Israel was created because of the East European anti Semitism. That was the main reason. Those tens of nationalities saw Jews as Hebrews and Middle Easterners. Regardless of how you as an American see them. America is on the other side of the world.

Regardless of how Arabs in Palestine classified them.

The tens of nationalities viewed them same as they would Arabs. They persecuted them and told them to go back to their country. They would not allow them to assimilate. It's impossible in those countries. Even if the Jews wanted to. So, after a particularly vile wave of pogroms, the conclusion was- back to Palestine! That was the basic war cry in Zionism.

How things were in America, how things were in Australia, that is besides the point. How the Jews are in America now, in Australia or Canada now has nothing to do with Zionism 100 plus years ago in Eastern Europe, and the latter's homogeneous, native/indigenous nationalities ala Japan.

The hot spot was E. Europe as it was there where it was mainly developed.

Those countries no longer have Jews. Very few. They are mostly in Israel now. Many also went to the US to become American. Americans call them "Russians".

Russians call them "Hebrews".

Care to argue with the Russians? The 140 million of them and convince them?

Some small numbers stayed. But they are still not viewed as locals by the locals.

The locals have been in those countries 45,000 years. The Jews - only 1000-2000. That makes them foreign.

Not to an American, though

But hey, that's not America is it?
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pandabear wrote: Most of us never cared about Mark Zuckerberg's religion, but folks in Jerusalem sure seem proud:

I wonder if anyone is complaining about his Chinese wife?
Well, we are, but it's not because she's Chinese. It's because she's a fatass and he could do much better :lol:
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As far as the Ethiopian Jews. They are Jewish by religion and that's why they must be allowed to live in Israel by Israeli law. However, from what I remember the DNA testing did not show Jewish DNA as it did with Jews from say, Poland.

However, they are Jews just like Pakistanis in England are " British". They are British by law. They are not British to yobs who walk up to them saying-

"Shut up you bloody Paki, you miserable wog! "

"But I am British, I am British",

"Well, but you don't look British to me!"



Those Ethiopian Jews don't look Jewish to Jews.

But in Ethiopia, falasha means stranger.

Stuck in between. Like a Mexican American.
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Okay, I'll try to give the video a try.

0:35 PALESTINE IS THE SPIRITUAL CENTER OF INTERNATIONAL JEWRY
Very true

0:38 THOUGH THE JEWS ARE NUMERICALLY INSIGNIFICANT THERE
True in the 1930s

0:44 HERE AT THE WAILING WALL, THEY GATHER AND MOURN THE FALL OF JERUSALEM
I guess that's what they're doing.

0:57 THEIR HOMELESSNESS, THOUGH, IS A MATTER OF CHOICE, AND IN KEEPING WITH THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY.
I don't think so.

1:06 FOUR THOUSAND YEARS AGO THEIR HEBREW ANCESTORS WERE ALREADY WANDERING.
So was everyone else's ancestors. So what?

1:11 OUT OF THE LAND OF THE TWO RIVERS, THEY WANDERED ALONG THE SEA TO EGYPT.
They're alluding to the Genesis story, which was closer to 3,000 years ago, and which was pure fiction. Also, they didn't "wander along the sea" to get to Egypt.

1:14 WHERE THEY RAN A LUCRATIVE GRAIN BUSINESS FOR A WHILE.
Oh, hogwash. They're talking about the part of Genesis where Joseph persuades the pharoah to store grain for seven years, so that the country could survive the coming seven years of famine.

1:15 WHEN THE COUNTRY FARMERS AND OTHER EGYPTIANS ROSE AGAINST THE FOREIGN USURERS AND SPECULATORS, THEY WANDERED ONCE MORE, AND PLUNDERED THEIR WAY TO THE PROMISED LAND.
According to Exodus, after 400 years as slaves in Egypt, they ran away (they weren't chased away). Wandering and plundering is correct, according to the Biblical account. But, this is all fiction, anyway.

1:29 THEY SETTLED THERE, MERCILESSLY LOOTING THE CULTURALLY-SUPERIOR RIGHTFUL INHABITANTS.
The ancient Hebrews were as badass as ISIS is today.

1:35 HERE IN THE COURSE OF CENTURIES, FROM THE ORIENTAL, FAR EASTERN RACIAL MIXTURE, WITH NEGROID ADMIXTURE THE ULTIMATE MONGRELIZED JEWS DEVELOPED.
So, who isn't a mongrel?

1:46 FOREIGN FROM US EUROPEANS, BORN OF TOTALLY-DIFFERENT RACIAL ELEMENTS, THEY DIFFER FROM US IN BODY AND ABOVE ALL IN SOUL.
In my opinion, the Europeans demonstrated themselves to possess vastly inferior souls.

1:57 WE PROBABLY WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BOTHERED BY THEM HAD THEY STAYED IN THEIR ORIENTAL HOME.
Most of the world would never have been bothered by Europeans if they Europeans had stayed in their European homes, and not gone out and colonized the world.

2:04 BUT THE COSMOPOLITAN EMPIRE OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT, REACHING FROM THE NEAR EAST ACROSS HALF THE MEDITERRANEAN, AND ESPECIALLY THE BOUNDLESS WORLD EMPIRE OF THE ROMANS, BROUGHT ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THE TRADE AND MIGRATORY TRAITS OF THE JEWS, WHO SOON SPREAD ACROSS THE OPEN MEDITERRANEAN AREA. WHILE SOME OF THEM SETTLED IN THE LARGE URBAN TRAFFIC AND THE TRADE CENTERS OF THE MEDITERRANEAN, OTHERS WANDERED RELENTLESSLY ACROSS SPAIN, FRANCE, SOUTHERN GERMANY, AND ENGLAND.
Not just the Jews. Lots of people moved over lots of different places in the empire. Especially the Greeks and Romans.

2:38 EVERYWHERE THEY MADE THEMSELVES UNWELCOME.
Not true.

2:43 IN SPAIN AND FRANCE THE PEOPLE ROSE OPENLY AGAINST THEM IN THE 13TH AND 14TH CENTURIES.
In 1492, the Catholic Spaniards exiled the Moslems and Jews from Spain. The Moors and the Jews had always coexisted well together. In fact, the Moors made Spain quite the multicultural country, and tolerated the Catholics for hundreds of years.

2:48 AND THEY WANDERED ON, MAINLY TO GERMANY.
Nope. From Spain, most of the Jews went to the Ottoman Empire. Why the Hell would they have wanted to go to Germany? Some converted to Roman Catholicism and stayed in Spain.

2:53 FROM THERE THEY FOLLOWED THE PATH OF THE ARYAN CULTURE, CREATIVE GERMANS COLONIZING THE EAST, TIL THEY FINALLY FOUND A GIGANTIC NEW UNTAPPED RESERVOIR IN THE POLISH AND RUSSIAN SECTIONS OF EASTERN EUROPE.
They must have gone outside the path of Aryan culture, if they moved to the Polish and Russian sections of Eastern Europe. But, that is wrong. The Jews of Poland and Russia migrated there from Khazaria, which had converted to Judaism in the 8th century.

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3:08 THE 19TH CENTURY, WITH ITS MUDDLED IDEAS ABOUT HUMAN EQUALITY AND FREEDOM, GAVE THE JEWS A GREAT LIFT. FROM EASTERN EUROPE THEY SPREAD ACROSS THE ENTIRE CONTINENT DURING THE 19TH AND 20TH CENTURIES. AND THEN ACROSS THE WORLD.
So did everyone else.

3:34-4:50 some ridiculous and irrelevant nonsense about rats.

4:50 ...JUST AS THE JEWS DO AMONG MANKIND.
That remark doesn't even merit a response.

5:04 THE PARASITE NATION OF JUDAH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A LARGE PART OF INTERNATIONAL CRIME. IN 1932 THE JEWS, WHO MADE UP ONLY 1% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION, ACCOUNTED FOR 34% OF THE WORLD'S DOPE PEDDLERS, 47% OF ROBBERIES, 47% OF CROOKED GAMES OF CHANCE, 82% OF INTERNATIONAL CRIME ORGANIZATIONS, AND 98% OF DEALERS IN PROSTITUTION.
These statistics are absolutely ridiculous. And, what is the Nazi problem with prostitution? The Nazis certainly enjoyed the maisons closes of Paris, and established brothels for their soldiers everywhere they went.

5:39 THE MOST-COMMON EXPRESSIONS IN THE JARGON OF INTERNATIONAL GANGSTERS AND CRIMINALS STEM FROM HEBREW AND YIDDISH WORDS.
Huh?

5:47 THESE PHYSIOGNOMIES IMMEDIATELY REFUTE THE LIBERAL THEORIES ABOUT THE EQUALITY OF ALL WHO BEAR A HUMAN COUNTENANCE.
No they don't.

5:58 THE jEWS ALTER THEIR OUTWARD APPEARANCE WHEN THEY LEAVE THEIR POLISH HAUNTS FOR THE RICH WORLD.
Duh. So did all of the other Europeans when they migrated to America.

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THE HAIR, BEARD, SKULL CAP, AND CAFFAN MAKE THE EASTERN JEW RECOGNIZABLE TO EVERYONE. SHOULD HE REMOVE THEM, ONLY SHARP-EYED PEOPLE CAN SPOT HIS RACIAL ORIGINS.
Which means that they aren't really different from anyone else.

6:24 AN ESSENTIAL TRAIT OF THE JEW IS THAT HE ALWAYS TRIES TO HIDE HIS ORIGIN WHEN AMONG NON-JEWS.
Can't say that I blame them.

6:61 A BUNCH OF POLISH JEWS STILL WEARING CAFFANS. AND NOW IN WESTERN EUROPEAN CLOTHES, PREPARE TO INFILTRATE WESTERN CIVILIZATION. OF COURSE THESE GHETTO JEWS DON'T YET MOVE TOO WELL IN THEIR CLEAN EUROPEAN CLOTHES. SOMEWHAT MORE ADEPT ARE THE JEWS IN BERLIN. THEIR FATHERS AND GRANDFATHERS LIVED IN THE GHETTO, BUT THAT IS NOT OUTWARDLY NOTICEABLE. HERE, IN THE SECOND AND THIRD GENERATION, THE ASSIMILATION HAS REACHED ITS ZENITH. OUTWARDLY, THEY TRY TO ACT JUST LIKE THE HOST PEOPLES. PEOPLE WITHOUT GOOD INSTINCTS LET THEMSELVES BE DECEIVED BY THIS MIMICRY AND CONSIDER JEWS THE SAME AS THEY ARE. THEREIN LIES THE ENORMOUS DANGER. THESE ASSIMILATED JEWS REMAIN FOREVER FOREIGN BODIES IN THE ORGANISMS OF THEIR HOST PEOPLES, REGARDLESS OF APPEARANCES.
Now, I feel utterly ashamed of my Aryan ancestry. Such bloody monsters.
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Laslav: How can you tell? I mean I get that some of it just seeps in & it's hard to put words to (I can sometimes tell different things, but I seem to miss a lot). I like to not be oblivious to things. If someone's got one accent, I don't want to mistake it for another.
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According to Hitler

http://books.google.com/books?id=fk-aXl ... ed&f=false

The Czechs are "skilled at not awakening the distrust of their occupiers, and are wonderful at playing the role of subjects....I saw them at work in Vienna during my youth. Arriving penniless and dragging their worn-out shoes through the streets of the city, they quickly acquired the Viennese accent--and one fine day I was surprised to see them installed in key positions!"

So, maybe people can move from one place to another in Europe. Especially with this new EU. Doesn't England have a lot of Poles, now?
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1:06 FOUR THOUSAND YEARS AGO THEIR HEBREW ANCESTORS WERE ALREADY WANDERING.
So was everyone else's ancestors. So what?

He used the word Hebrew. This is the word used for Jews in many countries, including the 380 million strong USSR. IN Kazakshtan now, the internal ID says "nationality Hebrew" until today.

1:11 OUT OF THE LAND OF THE TWO RIVERS, THEY WANDERED ALONG THE SEA TO EGYPT.
They're alluding to the Genesis story, which was closer to 3,000 years ago, and which was pure fiction. Also, they didn't "wander along the sea" to get to Egypt.

What he is probably referring to is the origin of various Semitic tribes in that area. And the areas of Nineve, Babylon, etc.

1:14 WHERE THEY RAN A LUCRATIVE GRAIN BUSINESS FOR A WHILE.
Oh, hogwash. They're talking about the part of Genesis where Joseph persuades the pharoah to store grain for seven years, so that the country could survive the coming seven years of famine.

Not proven or provable.Either the Genesis or the grain business. I am with you.

1:29 THEY SETTLED THERE, MERCILESSLY LOOTING THE CULTURALLY-SUPERIOR RIGHTFUL INHABITANTS.
The ancient Hebrews were as badass as ISIS is today.

Yes, they were.


1:35 HERE IN THE COURSE OF CENTURIES, FROM THE ORIENTAL, FAR EASTERN RACIAL MIXTURE, WITH NEGROID ADMIXTURE THE ULTIMATE MONGRELIZED JEWS DEVELOPED.
So, who isn't a mongrel?

Everyone is but the ingredients are different. A Puerto Rican is a mongrel of a Spaniard, Indian and African. A Russian is a mongrel of a Finn, Mongol and Slav. A Puerto Rican will stick out in Russia. A fish mouth Jew looks different from a Russian, too.

1:46 FOREIGN FROM US EUROPEANS, BORN OF TOTALLY-DIFFERENT RACIAL ELEMENTS, THEY DIFFER FROM US IN BODY AND ABOVE ALL IN SOUL.
In my opinion, the Europeans demonstrated themselves to possess vastly inferior souls.

But his point is that they are viewed as having totally different elements from Europeans. I agree with it because this is how most Central/ East Euroes think and view Jews.

1:57 WE PROBABLY WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BOTHERED BY THEM HAD THEY STAYED IN THEIR ORIENTAL HOME.
Most of the world would never have been bothered by Europeans if they Europeans had stayed in their European homes, and not gone out and colonized the world.

Correct, but this is et tu quoque. He is talking about the Jews in Europe at that time. The European conquest is a different topic for a different discussion.

2:04 BUT THE COSMOPOLITAN EMPIRE OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT, REACHING FROM THE NEAR EAST ACROSS HALF THE MEDITERRANEAN, AND ... AND ENGLAND.
Not just the Jews. Lots of people moved over lots of different places in the empire. Especially the Greeks and Romans.
Ah, but the Greeks and the Romans were in their empires and citizens, thus in the position of power. These weren't.

2:38 EVERYWHERE THEY MADE THEMSELVES UNWELCOME.
Not true.

In most places, not in all places. And in many places- welcome initially, but then expelled

2:43 IN SPAIN AND FRANCE THE PEOPLE ROSE OPENLY AGAINST THEM IN THE 13TH AND 14TH CENTURIES.
In 1492, the Catholic Spaniards exiled the Moslems and Jews from Spain. The Moors and the Jews had always coexisted well together. In fact, the Moors made Spain quite the multicultural country, and tolerated the Catholics for hundreds of years.

In many countries, things seemed ok for centuries and then, you would have ethnic riots and/or rulers ordering this and that and things went to hell.

2:48 AND THEY WANDERED ON, MAINLY TO GERMANY.
Nope. From Spain, most of the Jews went to the Ottoman Empire. Why the Hell would they have wanted to go to Germany? Some converted to Roman Catholicism and stayed in Spain.

The Sephardics went to the Ottoman Empire, true. The Jews in Germany were really there because of the Romans and became Ashkenazims.

2:53 FROM THERE THEY FOLLOWED THE PATH OF THE ARYAN CULTURE, CREATIVE GERMANS COLONIZING THE EAST, TIL THEY FINALLY FOUND A GIGANTIC NEW UNTAPPED RESERVOIR IN THE POLISH AND RUSSIAN SECTIONS OF EASTERN EUROPE.
They must have gone outside the path of Aryan culture, if they moved to the Polish and Russian sections of Eastern Europe. But, that is wrong. The Jews of Poland and Russia migrated there from Khazaria, which had converted to Judaism in the 8th century.

Ah, but here are some things which must be noted. Jews were almost never allowed into Russian proper. They stayed in Lithuania,Ukraine, etc. Which to a Westerner is ...Russia. As far as Khazaria goes, the deal seems to be this: the top echelons of Khazaria converted to Judaism.So much is true. At least nominally.

By Jewish law, a convert must be treated as an ethnic/biological Jew. However, the Jews in huge ghettos of Poland and Ukraine, Lithuania and all the shtetles, and the millions of those who migrated to the US are clealrly not Turkic ethnically -speaking. They are the same as those in Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, and the Czech republic and other Central Euro countries. They mostly look Lebanese-like, most have names such as Goldberg, Steinberg, Weinstock, etc. They all originally spoke a language called Yiddish- a mixture of German and Hebrew. There are no Turkic words in the Yiddish vocabulary. No Turkic DNA has been found. The Jews which the Germans were eyeing in Poland were of the same culture, look and ethnicity as the ones in Berlin. Further on to Kiev, they were again Goldberg, Steinberg, Rosenberg. Those Khazar converts did exist, but too few.

Kiev and Khazaria were at war. There is no mention of Princes of Kiev going to fight "the Jews". They went to fight the Khazars. Jews were Jews and Khazars were called Khazars.

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5:04 THE PARASITE NATION OF JUDAH

This is how most Europeans, particularly East Europeans view the Jews. The parasite nation of Judah. You can read it online all the time. Huge ultra right boards- but they are not in English.

This is not the British concept of a nation on which America was built. In English, nation = independent state or country. This is why you hear on the BBC they say "Tibet is no longer a nation", but a German would say that they still are. They are no longer an independent political entity but a nation, they are. In German and in Russian, a nation means a large ethnos united by common history, bloodlines and culture. But mostly, bloodline. The Poles and all the other people west of France have the same concept of a nation. Therefore, to them, Gypsies and Jews are nations even though they don't have their political state. To a Brit and an American, they are not. A Brit and American will be concerned with citizenship and mostly - place of birth. Germans, Poles, Russians have no interest in the place of birth or citizeship, but determine who and what a person is by appearance and name. Herein lie the causes of anti-Semitism and Zionism in that part of the world.

Now, America ( and Britain) are different.

To wit- in the city where I was born, most people were Polish and Jewish. Ukrainians were some 8 percent. The Poles were expelled by the Russians even though all were born there. The Jews largely emigrated to Israel- they were too scared. Then the Russians tried to settle, but the locals made life impossible for them, and now they are very few. The city is all Ukrianian now. Other nationalities were basically cleansed. Even though they lived there for a long time. All but few were born there. Doesn't matter there. Matters in the USA though.

Thus, nationalty to people in that part of the world is purely ethnic belonging through bloodline.

Nationality= citizenship to a Brit.

But not to a German, not to a Pole, not to a Russian, not to.. I am going to list about 30 countries with vaster populations than the US. Or Britain- who think differently and classify people differently.

For example, a person who doesn't look English in Britain will just say " I was born here" and a Brit will get quiet and not protest. But that is not gonna help in Ukraine. Or Poland. The "I was born here" doesn't fly.

To a Brit or an American, Einstein is a German. To a German and a Russian, his nationality is Jude/ Hebrew, but he was just born in Germany. See the difference?


5:47 THESE PHYSIOGNOMIES IMMEDIATELY REFUTE THE LIBERAL THEORIES ABOUT THE EQUALITY OF ALL WHO BEAR A HUMAN COUNTENANCE.
No they don't.

Not to an American. Not in American eyes. But to the local of E. and Central Europe, they often do.

5:58 THE jEWS ALTER THEIR OUTWARD APPEARANCE WHEN THEY LEAVE THEIR POLISH HAUNTS FOR THE RICH WORLD.
Duh. So did all of the other Europeans when they migrated to America.

But he is not necessarily referring to America. He is probably talking about Jews coming to Berlin. Or Vienna.


THE HAIR, BEARD, SKULL CAP, AND CAFFAN MAKE THE EASTERN JEW RECOGNIZABLE TO EVERYONE. SHOULD HE REMOVE THEM, ONLY SHARP-EYED PEOPLE CAN SPOT HIS RACIAL ORIGINS.
Which means that they aren't really different from anyone else.

Ah, but they are. To a Pole, to a Lithuanian, to a Russian, to a Ukrainian.

In most cases. Again, not to an American. Also,a British eye may not distinguish them.

An American does not usually have an eye for those things. Plus, in the USA, there are so many Italians and Greeks and dark Irish. Even the Welsh look someone Turkish/Mediterranean so the Jews kind of dissolve.

But, for example, in Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, the people are very homogenous. They may be mixed, true, but it was local tribes that were mingling. The Jews do stick out in a lot of cases. Some can cross over. Just like some Arabs are very light and could pass for a Frenchman, but many are too dark. Many Jews cannot cross over. Not in those countries.

I will give you a visual example:

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Most Lithuanians would look like Hutch, and most Jews there would look like Starsky. In the USA, both are called white/ Caucasian. But not in Vilnuis, Lithuania. There is no " white category". There is no " Caucasian" category except in literal sense- people from Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan.

There, they could generally spot the difference. A Starksy-looking person would stick out tremendously. No one would call him a Lithuanian.

Not in the US, though. Born here- American. And white, also.

Now, let's look at this Jewish person:

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This one is already approaching the East Euro look. Many Lebanese look like that. An American would pass by and probably classify her as "white". However, to my eyes, and a knowledgeable E/Central Euro - her mouth is too Arabic/Semitic looking- too big for a pure East Euro. The shape of the nose is too big for a Pole or a Lithuanian. The locals who are in the know, would spot her and put her in the "Jew" category.

Not Americans, though.

She does not look different from/to a Brit ( lots of Italian/Roman ancestry) etc. Her face is not "ethnic" to an American. But, it would be quite ethnic to, say, a Latvian.But, again, I am using the word 'ethnic ' in its British colonial sense. No such word there.

They would use deductive reasoning- yeah, almost like a Latvian, but there is another mixture there- the mouth and nose are too big- too Mediterranean.Who is Mediterranean in Riga, Latvia?- only the Jews. Let's look at the name. Streisand- sounds Yiddish. Verdict- a Jew.

Informed locals in those countries ( not in the USA) usually can spot them by facial features. However, not all locals are fixated on Jew-spotting. They have other things on their minds. So, only in the ethnic riot times do they start spotting.


6:61 ... THESE ASSIMILATED JEWS REMAIN FOREVER FOREIGN BODIES IN THE ORGANISMS OF THEIR HOST PEOPLES, REGARDLESS OF APPEARANCES.

Not in the Americas and Jus Soli ( birth right) countries. Born here- as American as anyone else. But Hitler's Germany and East/Central Euro countries are Jus Sanguinis ( nationality by bloodline- ala Japan/China/Korea) nations. They are fixated on inheriting genes and ethnicity by bloodlines. To them, nationalities are like breeds of dogs. Many countries are like that.


Conclusion: You are right from the American ( and even British) point of view. As long as you are located in America and are talking about America ( or other former British colonies), I agree with you. But it's not America there. They also don't classify people by using the English language. In English, the word Hebrew only means "ancient Hebrews". But in those countries, Yevrey means "modern Hebrews". No such word in English.

This is why Zionism was not born in the USA. The Jews here are proud English-speaking patriots who are quite well assimilated. In the USA,Canada, Aus, Nz, S. Africa- they are at home. Also in Argentina, Brazil- Jus Soli New World immigrant nations. Born here- one of us.

Not in Lithuania, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, etc etc. Old World Jus Sanguinis countries.

Jews are also British in the very cosmopolitan Britain. The laws are very liberal there. Even a Pakistani and a Chinese person there is .. British. The Jews fall into the Mediterranean or White English category. But there are no such official categories in E. Euro countries.

At homes and in pubs, in the UK, though, people grumble about the Greeks and Germans at the Palace, and the bloody Pakis and miserable wogs, but in public, they are polite- "You are British, you are English. You were born here." And then they go home and talk about "bloody foreigners". Then, you read in the news- "A Brit was caught in a terror act. His name was Abdulkader Al-Balkawi".' Oh,yes he is British. Yeah right! "Bloody wog", the people would cuss. Under their breath.

But in E. Europe neither the gov't nor the people would call him Polish or Lithuanian.

Yes, things different in Eastern Central Europe and Russia. By thier nationality and ethnicity system, no Paki, no Chinese person could be one of them, and the Jews are likewise an alien, Semitic nation which will never belong. Herein lies the difference between them and America/ Britain, UK, etc.

Things were even more vicious back in the old days. Now, these countries are becoming more like Britain and more tolerant. But it will be a hundred years at least till they learn to be normal and call all people living there by the name of the country.
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Laslav: How can you tell? I mean I get that some of it just seeps in & it's hard to put words to (I can sometimes tell different things, but I seem to miss a lot). I like to not be oblivious to things. If someone's got one accent, I don't want to mistake it for another.
I can tell in E. Europe by the tone of the voice and skin tone and shape of the face, the curl of the hair.

I cannot tell in Thailand, for one. For example, I could not tell a Khmer from a Thai. But Thais can. By looking at the face and skintone/accent.

So, it depends on the geographical location I am in.
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Thanks for the lengthy and thoughtful response. My only question right now concerns Yiddish as being a mixture of Hebrew and German. Are you sure about that? By the time of the Roman empire, Hebrew was already a dead language, used only for liturgical purposes, as the Catholics use Latin. The people of Judea spoke either Greek or Aramaic. How would Hebrew have entered the language?
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