Gali wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2021, 1:11 am
Winston wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2021, 12:57 am
These videos falsely assume though that the brain produces consciousness. There are many reasons to doubt that, such as NDEs and OBEs. During NDEs there is the phenomenon of veridial perception, which cannot be if brain produces consciousness. So the relationship may be like a radio receiving signals. There are multiple types of evidence that consciousness survives the brain. Look up the presentations by Dr. Bruce Greyson and Dr. William Guy on how consciousness survives the brain. You need to keep up with the research man. Also see this documentary "Science of the Soul" that presents some of the latest research indicating that consciousness may survive death. Please consider all data, not just cherry pick the data you want, like Christians, Atheists, and New Agers do.
That is not accepted science. That is not how science is done. That is an insult on science and scientists.
I accept the reality of these intensely felt experiences. They are as authentic as any other subjective feeling or perception. As a scientist, however, I operate under the hypothesis that all our thoughts, memories, percepts and experiences are an ineluctable consequence of the natural causal powers of our brain rather than of any supernatural ones. That premise has served science and its handmaiden, technology, extremely well over the past few centuries. Unless there is extraordinary, compelling, objective evidence to the contrary, I see no reason to abandon this assumption.
Local brain regions go offline one after another. The mind, whose substrate is whichever neurons remain intact, then does what it always does: it tells a story shaped by a person’s experience, memory and cultural expectations.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... the-brain/
To produce the out-of-body illusion, the researchers touched the participants' body with a rod while simultaneously touching the stranger's body in the same place, in view of the cameras. For the participants, this technique produces the illusion that their body is in a different part of the room than where it actually is.
"It's a very fascinating experience," Guterstam said. "It takes a couple of touches, and suddenly you actually feel like you're located in another part of the room. Your body feels completely normal — you don't feel as it's floating around," he added.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... periences/
Says who? I told you, science and the scientific establishment institution are NOT the same thing. The latter is man made and FALLIBLE. Why do you presume they are an authority on truth? Simple because you and the dogmatic Christians are both authority worshippers, two sides of the same coin. See below:
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Why Christians and Atheists are both authoritarians and two sides of the same coin
In fact, both Christians and Atheists (the dogmatic kind) are like two sides of the same coin in my view. They are both authority worshippers who ignore the flaws of the authority that they worship. For instance, Christians worship the authority of the Bible, Catholics worship the authority of the Papacy and Vatican, and Atheists usually worship the scientific and medical establishment. They are very forgiving of the flaws, corruption, agendas, and yes even conspiracies, in the authoritative body that they worship, and will ignore them in favor of blind obedience. For instance, Christians ignore the errors, contradictions, and flaws in the Bible and their religion, because to them, it's all from God and therefore infallible, and that's that. Likewise, Atheists ignore the corruption, politics, agenda, and even conspiracies in the medical and scientific establishment, because to them, the abstract concept of science and the man made science institutions are one and the same. They cannot differentiate between them, because of their blind trust. Both sides are heavily flawed, blind, and dumb to their obvious faults. Such is human nature.
So you see, both sides are clearly authoritarian, not freethinkers. Ironically, Atheists wrongly call themselves "freethinkers", yet they trust everything the scientific establishment says and never question it. They cannot differentiate between the concept of science and the scientific establishment, which is a man made institution, just like Christians cannot differentiate between God, the Bible, and the Christian Church, and view them all as the same, when the Bible and Church are clearly man made. So you see, both Christians and Atheists have this blind belief in the authority that they worship. By Atheists, I refer to the dogmatic hard-nosed rigid types like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Bill Nye, Michael Shermer, and the late Christopher Hitchens.
So if you think about it, both dogmatic Christians and Atheists are just opposite ends of the same spectrum of control and blind obedience to authority. When universities hold debates between them, they insinuate that the only two choices you have are either Christianity or Atheism, which is not true of course, but it's implied that. It's a false dichotomy of course, since both sides are extreme and narrow minded and heavily flawed in many ways. In fact, every wise person and great genius rejects them both. None of the Einsteins, Teslas, or Thomas Edisons ever adopted fundamentalist Christianity or fundamentalist Atheism, but went beyond both extremes. Every wise person knows that truth does NOT lie in extremes, it is either somewhere in the middle or beyond both extremes, which I think is the case with the Christian vs Atheist dichotomy.
In my opinion, those who believe that authority is always right and cannot be questioned, as essentially WEAK people. They have no inner light, no inner virtue, no freespirit, and are very co-dependent on others to tell them what to do. They are essentially empty, and believe everyone else is empty too like they are, even those who are awakened or enlightened. Those weak willed empty types are the kind that gravitate toward authoritarianism to make them feel safe and tell them what to do. They are afraid to think for themselves, so they need authority to think for them and tell them what's right. Sadly, most people are like this.
Almost no one is a true freethinker who question everything on both sides (like I do). People usually pick one belief or one religion to worship as the truth, and then call themselves "freethinkers" by opposing the other side. For example, Atheists call themselves "freethinkers" because they reject the dogma of the Church and the Bible. Christians call themselves "freethinkers" because they reject the teachings of Darwinian Evolution and materialistic science in schools and academia, so they can follow the God of the Bible and its "truths". This is an obvious fallacy, because a true freethinker questions everything on both sides (like I am doing now). They do not adopt one side as authoritative truth and oppose everything against it and call that "freethought", which both Christians and Atheists do. That's really dumb. I'm surprised most people don't see this.
