THERE IS NO FREE WILL!

[Billy]

Time to get real. Accept the scientific truth:

You haven't. You may feel like you've made choices, but in reality your decision to read this piece, and whether to have eggs or pancakes, was determined long before you were aware of it — perhaps even before you woke up today. And your "will" had no part in that decision. So it is with all of our other choices: not one of them results from a free and conscious decision on our part. There is no freedom of choice, no free will. And those New Year's resolutions you made? You had no choice about making them, and you'll have no choice about whether you keep them.

Perhaps you've chosen to read this essay after scanning other articles on this website. Or, if you're in a hotel, maybe you've decided what to order for breakfast, or what clothes you'll wear today.

'Meat computers'

And that's what neurobiology is telling us: Our brains are simply meat computers that, like real computers, are programmed by our genes and experiences to convert an array of inputs into a predetermined output. Recent experiments involving brain scans show that when a subject "decides" to push a button on the left or right side of a computer, the choice can be predicted by brain activity at least seven seconds before the subject is consciously aware of having made it. (These studies use crude imaging techniques based on blood flow, and I suspect that future understanding of the brain will allow us to predict many of our decisions far earlier than seven seconds in advance.) "Decisions" made like that aren't conscious ones. And if our choices are unconscious, with some determined well before the moment we think we've made them, then we don't have free will in any meaningful sense.

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[Billy]

The reason why society doesn´t want to accept the obvious is fear. That society would implode and we would turn to being monkeys which I believe would be cool.

After researchers provoked volunteers to disbelieve in free will, participants lied, cheated, and stole more. Kathleen Vohs has found that those whose belief in free will had been eroded were more likely to cheat.[108] In a study conducted by Roy Baumeister, after participants read an article disproving free will, they were more likely to lie about their performance on a test where they would be rewarded with cash.[109] Provoking a rejection of free will has also been associated with increased aggression and less helpful behaviour[110][111] as well as mindless conformity.[112] Disbelief in free will can even cause people to feel less guilt about transgressions against others

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[chileanueva]

The loss of control is scary to most people. That's why everyone hates fat people and faggots.

Nobody wants to be a fat faggot. FEAR is a powerful motivator - fear of poverty, fear of hunger, fear of foreigners.

[GuitarGuy996]

Billy and Chilenueva, I have to ask. Are you the same EXACT person?

[Billy]

Gutar friend, there are no stupid questions only stupid answers.

So, no we are different. He is a native english speaker from US. I am a turk from germany. So, I think we are different. My english is terrible as you can see.

Let's don't get off topic or Repatriate will ban us again. Do you believe in free will?

[C.J.]

I DO believe in free will. However, I also believe in strong influences, including those outside our sphere of perception/control.

If I were to make an educated guess, I'd say that while we do have free will, we're mostly beaten down mentally into a state where we just wanna make the "pain" go away... whatever it is. We take the easy way out in everything we do, which is usually the WORST thing we can do. I bet that's why some have went abroad. But in their case, the "pain" was not having sex, and living on without it while watching everyone else bang in front of them. And porn just makes this "pain" much worse.

Like for example losing weight. Many people might wanna lose weight, but the problem is how are they gonna stand the "pain" of eating properly, and/or in some cases NOT eating anything at all(for fasting practitioners)? Once you conquer that, losing weight is pretty easy(and in some cases effortless). The problem is conquering the pain, and having the energy to KEEP doing it. One of these isn't gonna happen in most cases.

[Billy]

C.J. Thank you for your input

Can you give some hints what makes you believe that free will exists? Is it more a feeling? Or do you have some scientifical basis?

The matter of "conquering the pain" is an interesting topic for me. But I almost give it up. I really do try to go the easiest way. But the interesting thing is that what might look easy for me could be a pain for others and vice versa. So hopefully people help each other with their skills.

[Winston]

I agree with Billy but for different reasons. I think free will is mostly overrated and mostly an illusion, but not 100 percent because we do have souls and consciousness, so we must have some free will. But we do not have control over our fate or destiny it seems. Life seems to be scripted somehow, like a movie or TV show. So my reasons are different than Billy's. He thinks free will is an illusion because our genes and subconscious mind determine what we do, as if we are machines only and can only do what machines do. He forgets that consciousness is mysterious and cannot be explained and that no scientist or biologist in the world can explain it, thus it's the big X factor that Billy and those like him do not take into account. With big X factors like consciousness, one cannot say whether free will is an illusion or not, because one cannot say we are merely machines or not either. Men like him don't like to think deeper because they want science and atheists to do the thinking for them and tell them what to believe it seems.

The reason I believe life is scripted is because things seem to happen naturally of their own accord. We don't choose them. I can't speak for everyone, but certainly that's true of my life and when I observe other people too. For example, if 99 or 100 percent of girls reject me, that's not my choice or under my control. It happens whether I am nice or mean, or regardless of what I do or what choices I make. It just happens, not due to any fault or choice of my own. Or if all 30 kids in my 4th grade class bully me, that's not something I chose, it just happened, as if the universe put a label that says "bully me" on it and did NOT give me a choice in the manner. It's not because of my looks. Not everyone who looks asian or nerdy gets bullied in school. And I heard some white kids who look normal and fine, even girls, get bullied by everyone for no reason too. Asking the bullies to stop doesn't accomplish anything and fighting with them doesn't stop the problem either (contrary to what you see in the movies).

Furthermore, you do not choose whether you fit in or not. If you don't fit into your job or culture, that's not your choice. You can't be something you are not. Others will notice it. It's not a choice. If a group realizes you don't fit in, they won't wanna hang out with you anymore, even if you're nice and good. If an employer realizes you don't fit in, they gotta let you go, even if you didn't do anything wrong and you are a good worker, because they don't want just someone who will only do the job, they want someone who is a good fit with their company too, especially if it's a white collar job that demands high performance and excellence. You can't just "pretend" to fit in obviously. It won't work. People will see through that. Especially if you have a strong sense of who you are.

Let me give you some TV shows as an example. In Gilligan's Island, the party never gets off the island until the very last episode. That's not always due to bad choices or free will (though sometimes they do make bad choices). It's because the show's SCRIPT does not allow them to leave the island until the last episode. That's why something always goes wrong when they try to, which is out of their control. Life seems to be like that too.

If you watch the James Bond movies, you notice that James Bond is handsome and charming but he never is able to settle down with one woman. That's not his choice. It's part of the SCRIPT. There was one movie, if you remember, where Bond did get married at the beginning. But his bride got killed during a drive by shooting. So even when he tries to settle down, something goes wrong, and he's back to being single again. That's the SCRIPT, not his choice. He did not choose for his bride to get killed that way of course.

If you remember that sitcom, Seinfeld, you will remember that the main characters never settle down and never have more than short term affairs. Every woman they date (or man in Elaine's case) only lasts one episode or two, and then something goes wrong, and then they are back to being single again. If you remember in the last season, George tried to settle down and get married to his blonde fiancee, but she ended up licking a poisoned enveloped and dying. So he was back to being single again. Back to square one again. Again, these are not the characters' choices, they are SCRIPTED. Even when the character chooses to settle down finally, like George did, something STILL goes wrong and ruins everything.

Well real life is like that too, at least mine is. Things seem to be scripted, not under my control. I have countless experiences that indicate that. So I've never understood why New Agers and Americans always say that we are "the captain of our destiny or fate" and that we determine our destiny/fate. I see NOTHING that backs that up. Do you? What do you guys think? Do your experiences agree or say otherwise? Even if your experiences don't agree, that still begs the question of why my experiences do.

It's like in the movie "The Adjustment Bureau" with Matt Damon. When he meets the agents of the secret Adjustment Bureau, they tell him that they determine the big things in life and world affairs, and that choice/free will are just an illusion. But they admit that they will allow free will in trivial things, such as what you order in a restaurant, because those things don't affect the "grand plan of the architect", but not the big things. Real life does seem to be like that too, as depicted in the movie. Very often, movies are metaphors for reality, and sometimes even literally true too.

If you ask most married men in the American suburbs about how they met their wife, it will usually be some normal natural story, about going to school together or having mutual friends, etc. It will be a story where things happened NATURALLY, and in accord with THE FLOW of things. These married men will not tell you that they have some "secret formula or method" like PUA con artists claim, which single men do not have. No way. All they did was GO WITH THE FLOW. Very simple. Because their relationship was MEANT to happen, it was part of their DESTINY or SCRIPT. That's all. It's not rocket science. And most of these men are nothing special, just average looking (or slightly above or below) nice men who treat their wives like they are "the boss". They don't got anything that the average male does not have. All they did was go with the flow, hence it's all DESTINY and SCRIPTED. See what I mean?

So why don't Americans and New Agers realize this? Why do they insist that everything is a choice and under our control? Makes no sense. Why does what they say contradict real life experience?

[Winston]

LOL Check out this awesome magic tricks that proves there's no free will. It's pretty cool and rad.

https://www.martinsmagic.com/allmagic/m ... corbuzier/

Free Will by Deddy Corbuzier
(c. 2004) (Submit Review) (Submit Update)
Strong, Direct Mentalism with no funny business!

This is more than just predicting 1 out of 3 choices – which is not that magical on a good day – you provide a prediction, of which there is just one, that predicts 3 out of 3 choices.

You predict what goes in the bag, what goes in the spectators hand and what goes in your hand. Every time. The other cool thing about this effect is that it is always ready to work. No set-up at all. Just put the prediction and the wooden disks back in the bag and you are ready to roll. Everything can be examined too!

In fact, it almost sounds too perfect to be true. But it is true. You will like this effect for its clever method and the impact it has on your audience. And I’m sure you will use it often because of its simple requirements and set-up. Highly recommended!

Effect: We all want to believe that we are in control. We want to believe that our decisions are our own. But maybe those are just beliefs….

You begin by removing a small piece of paper from a cloth bag and handing the bag to a helper. You explain that you’d like their help in an experiment involving free will. Your helper removes three wooden disks from the inside of the bag. Each disk has a simple geometric shape on one side. The helper mixes up the disks and then places them face down on the table.

The helper now chooses one disk for himself, one for the performer, and one to be put back in the bag. The choices are always up to the helper and they may change their mind before they commit to the selections.

You now ask one final question to the helper, “Did you feel every choice you made was of your own free will?” The helper responds, “Yes.” The helper now opens the piece of paper which has been on display before ANY choices were made and it explains with complete accuracy where each of the symbols is now located!

A terribly unnerving reminder that the choices we make may not always be our own!

Demo:





You can get this trick from Ebay for a few bucks from China.

[Winston]

@hypermak

Here are some clips from the movie "The Adjustment Bureau" about how we are controlled by hidden forces behind the scenes and free choice is an illusion. This is metaphorical truth at least. Listen to what the Adjustment Bureau agents tell Matt Damon below. lol. You should see this movie sometime.

Question: How do you know hypermak, that the creators or administrators of our matrix are not scripting or controlling our lives like movie directors and scriptwriters? Why do you believe they must let us do whatever we want with free reign like wild animals in a cage with no control? lol

[Neo]

You can't just obtain something in this life. All power belongs to God. God has to give it to you. It's just that people can't recognize that it is God giving it to them. Many people think that it is their hard work, but it isn't. It's God's gift to them.

If someone wants something good, they must first seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness. There's no way around this.

There are many devices in a man's heart. Nevertheless, the counsel of the Lord is what shall stand.