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Pixel--Dude wrote:
December 7th, 2022, 5:01 am
1. Is it immoral to kill someone? And in what context?
We have wars, people who might try and hurt you in the street.
What about euthanasia?
Do you support the death penalty for inmates?
It is immoral to kill a member of your community except in self-defense. War is okay, not members of your community. Suicide is okay, so euthanasia is only okay if it is suicide. The death penalty is just murder by government, not okay.
2. Is it immoral to kill animals?
Like mass farming and animals reared for the purpose of being eaten?
What about if you live in a forest and have to hunt animals?
What about hunting animals purely for sport?
Eating animals is fine. Hunting animals for sport is in bad taste, worse then killing outsiders (people outside of your community) for fun, but not strictly immoral since animals aren't members of your community.
3. Is abortion murder?
What about if a woman is raped and carries the rapist's child?
What if the pregnancy is accidental and the parents can't provide a decent standard of living for a child?
Abortion isn't murder because a fetus is not fully human.
4. Is it immoral to damage the environment through mass production of pointless things?
What about destroying nature for farmland?
What about for housing to be built?
Yes, harming the environment of one's community is immoral.
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Re: Ethics & Values

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fschmidt wrote:
December 7th, 2022, 7:56 am
Pixel--Dude wrote:
December 7th, 2022, 5:01 am
1. Is it immoral to kill someone? And in what context?
We have wars, people who might try and hurt you in the street.
What about euthanasia?
Do you support the death penalty for inmates?
It is immoral to kill a member of your community except in self-defense. War is okay, not members of your community. Suicide is okay, so euthanasia is only okay if it is suicide. The death penalty is just murder by government, not okay.
2. Is it immoral to kill animals?
Like mass farming and animals reared for the purpose of being eaten?
What about if you live in a forest and have to hunt animals?
What about hunting animals purely for sport?
Eating animals is fine. Hunting animals for sport is in bad taste, worse then killing outsiders (people outside of your community) for fun, but not strictly immoral since animals aren't members of your community.
3. Is abortion murder?
What about if a woman is raped and carries the rapist's child?
What if the pregnancy is accidental and the parents can't provide a decent standard of living for a child?
Abortion isn't murder because a fetus is not fully human.
4. Is it immoral to damage the environment through mass production of pointless things?
What about destroying nature for farmland?
What about for housing to be built?
Yes, harming the environment of one's community is immoral.
People who are okay with abortion probably should have had it done to themselves then.
See how they like being denied a chance at existing. f***ing useless ass anti-human jerk offs...
Its one thing if a person have to do it because the birth might kill them, but people doing this shit as a "reset button"
just to get out of being responsible just flat out sicken me. The vast majority of abortions is basically garbage women trying to avoid responsibility but refuse to take precautions before having sex. Some of these assholes will kill multiple unborn because that's how shitty their heart really is.
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WanderingProtagonist wrote:
December 7th, 2022, 8:38 am
People who are okay with abortion probably should have had it done to themselves then.
See how they like being denied a chance at existing. f***ing useless ass anti-human jerk offs...
Pixel--Dude, I just want to point out that this is how modern scum communicate, by insults. They are incapable of anything else. So if you are going to ban people for insults, you have to ban almost everyone on this forum. If you want a forum without insults, you have to look outside of modern culture, like a Mennonite forum or a Muslim forum.
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fschmidt wrote:
December 7th, 2022, 8:50 am
WanderingProtagonist wrote:
December 7th, 2022, 8:38 am
People who are okay with abortion probably should have had it done to themselves then.
See how they like being denied a chance at existing. f***ing useless ass anti-human jerk offs...
Pixel--Dude, I just want to point out that this is how modern scum communicate, by insults. They are incapable of anything else. So if you are going to ban people for insults, you have to ban almost everyone on this forum. If you want a forum without insults, you have to look outside of modern culture, like a Mennonite forum or a Muslim forum.
Yeah, I am "modern scum" for calling out bitches that want to murder the unborn. I never even directly said you were the anti-human jerk off, but now You definitely are for trying to advocate to get me banned.
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fschmidt wrote:
December 7th, 2022, 7:56 am
Abortion isn't murder because a fetus is not fully human.
Is it up to quacks and shysters to decide who is "fully human"?
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Cornfed wrote:
December 7th, 2022, 8:58 am
Is it up to quacks and shysters to decide who is "fully human"?
No, I just gave my personal opinion. As for laws, they should be decided locally based on what the people in each locality believe.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
December 7th, 2022, 9:20 am
In the case of @Outcast9428 and @MarcosZeitola they both make varied threads reflecting their views and engage in debate with other users, try and be supportive to others and all the rest of it. @Mercer posts very similar threads, usually negative in nature (which is fine, his right as you said) but then when people comment with intention to share their opinion or even offer positive advice to help him improve his situation he uses that as an excuse to target them. He is always provoking Marcos and Outcast. He is seen by many as a belligerent member with little contribution and only relentless insults.

This is the kind of reason I made a poll about the Hydra. If Mercer would chill the f**k out and stop insulting everyone people here would be fine with him. It isn't just about removing someone you don't like because of a personal thing. It's about doing what's best for the forum.

Do you think that kind of behaviour is moral or immoral? And does free speech extend to being an asshole?

There are plenty of people on this forum I really don't "vibe" with at all. In fact I think some users are outright assholes. In some cases I don't like certain people’s values or ideals, but I would never advocate for any of these people to be removed. Because even if I don't agree with them they are still adding content and are valuable as members here.

Is my position clearer now? Or do you still believe I am against free speech? Winston himself said something to this effect in the past. I can remember reading it when I had a browse through things that had happened before.
To me, supporting free speech means that banning is a last resort when there is no other solution. There have been cases in the past when someone just kept posting obnoxious garbage that everyone hated, and he just wouldn't stop. This is close to spam and him being banned was justified. But Mercer isn't doing this, he is responding to others. So there is another solution here which is to encourage people to ignore Mercer. This solves the problem without a ban.

I would never ban someone just for immoral behavior or because I don't like them. The only real reason to ban someone is if they are doing harm to the forum or other members that cannot be solved any other way. I guess I am an extreme free speech supporter because I have been banned almost everywhere. Free speech is what makes this forum special, so I would support free speech here even when the majority disagree.
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Outcast9428 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 2:02 pm
I checked out the forum you posted (MennoNet.com)… For me personally I think it’s not traditional enough. I like 4chan and Happier Abroad better. I saw a lot of people on that forum complaining about “people politicizing every issue.” A lot of people there don’t even vote and think they’re somehow being non-Christian by engaging in politics. I’m sick of people complaining about politics and trying to say that social/cultural issues are somehow separate from politics. Politics and social/cultural issues are the same topic and if you insist on drawing a distinction between the two then you will never succeed at winning when it comes to the cultural issue you are talking about. I also saw a weirdly large number of people saying they were worried about right wing authoritarianism or “conservative governments” and “far right regimes.” Why the hell should any Christian be worried about conservative governments or far right regimes unless they are a half assed traditionalist? I also saw a thread about men and womens place in life. Only 25% of the votes were in favor of patriarchal gender roles. I even saw a lot of people saying things like “this may make me sound sexist” and “I affirm the equality/superiority of women.” Which sounds very feminist. I’ve asked similar questions on 4chan and found that 70% of the users there support patriarchal gender roles. Happier Abroad is a lot like 4chan. Support for patriarchal gender roles is probably just as high on Happier Abroad.

It’s true that HA and 4chan have more degenerates but I’d still rather keep the minority of degenerates but a large number of true, patriarchal conservatives then to have a forum full of half assed, center right conservatives who think they are super traditional because they don’t drink alcohol (even though everybody drank in the traditional past). In my opinion that’s just being super abstinent, not really super traditional.
I don't judge a forum by how much it agrees with me. I judge forums by their support for free speech and the quality of the writing. MennoNet is the best by these criteria. The writing is incomparably better than on any other forum that I know of. And this is because MennoNet members are not modern scum, but are civilized Christians.
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fschmidt wrote:
December 10th, 2022, 11:15 am
Outcast9428 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 2:02 pm
I checked out the forum you posted (MennoNet.com)… For me personally I think it’s not traditional enough. I like 4chan and Happier Abroad better. I saw a lot of people on that forum complaining about “people politicizing every issue.” A lot of people there don’t even vote and think they’re somehow being non-Christian by engaging in politics. I’m sick of people complaining about politics and trying to say that social/cultural issues are somehow separate from politics. Politics and social/cultural issues are the same topic and if you insist on drawing a distinction between the two then you will never succeed at winning when it comes to the cultural issue you are talking about. I also saw a weirdly large number of people saying they were worried about right wing authoritarianism or “conservative governments” and “far right regimes.” Why the hell should any Christian be worried about conservative governments or far right regimes unless they are a half assed traditionalist? I also saw a thread about men and womens place in life. Only 25% of the votes were in favor of patriarchal gender roles. I even saw a lot of people saying things like “this may make me sound sexist” and “I affirm the equality/superiority of women.” Which sounds very feminist. I’ve asked similar questions on 4chan and found that 70% of the users there support patriarchal gender roles. Happier Abroad is a lot like 4chan. Support for patriarchal gender roles is probably just as high on Happier Abroad.

It’s true that HA and 4chan have more degenerates but I’d still rather keep the minority of degenerates but a large number of true, patriarchal conservatives then to have a forum full of half assed, center right conservatives who think they are super traditional because they don’t drink alcohol (even though everybody drank in the traditional past). In my opinion that’s just being super abstinent, not really super traditional.
I don't judge a forum by how much it agrees with me. I judge forums by their support for free speech and the quality of the writing. MennoNet is the best by these criteria. The writing is incomparably better than on any other forum that I know of. And this is because MennoNet members are not modern scum, but are civilized Christians.
By that standard, aren't /pol/ and Happier Abroad the best possible forums? /pol/ occasionally has shitty writing but I've discovered some amazing information on /pol/. And I'm not just talking about various conspiracy theories, I'm also referring to some really valuable advice on dating girls, how to live a traditional life, and keep a girl's affections. /pol/ and Happier Abroad are free speech absolutist forums. You cannot be banned from /pol/ for any kind of opinions.

I used to go on /pol/ all the time but nowadays I prefer HA because you can keep a username and get to know the other members. 4chan is so committed to free speech and anonymity that nobody even has a username. You don't even need to sign up for it, you can post without registering.
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Outcast9428 wrote:
January 6th, 2023, 12:50 am
This is the worst case of midlife crisis I've seen since Breaking Bad.
Is this your only takeaway? Dude, this is not a fcukin' joke! People need to wake the fcuk up and understand how serious the situation is!

Under the New World Order we as a species are literally being poisoned and biologically degraded every day. Most of the foods that people consume are laden with toxic crap that is destroying our bodies. So-called medications produced by big pharma are harming health or slowly killing people. The environment is becoming progressively polluted. The air that we breath is being rendered toxic through chemtrails. A global pandemic has just recently been created and potentially harmful vaccines are being forced upon us. And now many are being pushed into crippling poverty through a manufactured economic crisis. We are being slowly exterminated in this worldwide NWO dystopia. Things are only going to get worse. If we don't do anything to stop this, we as a species have no future! It's that fcukin' simple!

If we don't rise up in rebellion and oust from power the Jewish elite behind the NWO, we will soon be fcuked beyond all hope. Those psychopathic scumbags are literally killing us every day. This is about survival, not some silly ideological disputes! Anybody who wants to survive and ensure a future for their children needs to rebel in unison and remove the criminals and parasites from power. Idly standing by will achieve nothing else but our destruction!

You misunderstand the kind of resistance that we are talking about. When we say resistance, we mean more along the line of internal rebellions, coups, seizures of power by an anti-NWO faction. We don't need to invade some other country with tanks and planes like in conventional warfare. The enemy is already here!

The truth is that as of this moment there is NO viable resistance movement against the NWO. None whatsoever. There might be some national socialist groups in Europe who oppose the NWO and Jewish power but their ideologies appeal to very few people. The rest are just small pockets of unorganized conspiracy theorists on the internet. However, as people are plunged into ever greater economic desperation in the upcoming years, increasingly more people will wake up to what is going on and feel the need to resist. That is when a genuine resistance movement can gain a great deal of support and reach a critical mass. You see, most people will only wake up and take action when a situation affects them personally. Most people don't care about radical ideologies. They only care about the material conditions that surround them and will only act once they are materially desperate. I therefore believe that the most viable resistance movement against the NWO will take the form of a practical and rational movement with a focus on freedom from the NWO's increasingly conspicuous financial tyranny as well as people's material needs. It won't be about "traditionalism" or "theocracy" - especially not in countries historically based on Enlightenment values. People don't care much about moral or theological abstractions when their stomach is empty.

I therefore believe that a resistance movement should be as broad as possible and focused first and foremost on practical things that are relatable to many people. Narrow extremist ideologies appeal to few people.

Our views on Christianity and the other things that you mention are our private views which we express on HappierAbroad. We aren't going to be alienating anybody, and besides, we are not realistically going to be leading a resistance movement (I'm too socially awkward for that); I am simply opining on what forms I think that such a movement could or should take or what kind of movement we would consider joining (in a non-leadership capacity). We believe that religion is a private matter and shouldn't be mixed with politics and so we would therefore only support a secular resistance movement - which would be the most likely form in Western Europe and much of the West. We don't care about other people's religious beliefs as long as they don't try to impose them on us. We believe in freedom of religion and separation of religion and state.

Our views with regard to economics are more in line with those of national socialism since we believe that a genuine government must guide the economy in a positive direction and thereby guarantee the wellbeing and prosperity of the nation - as opposed to corporatocratic (((international capitalism))) or (((communism))), the latter being merely a contrived front for Jewish looting of entire nations -, but we also recognize from a futuristic perspective that at some point in this century the technological capacities of advanced nations will become so evolved that they will render the current capitalist arrangement or any semblance of it completely obsolete as automated systems and AI will be able to perform most tasks much more efficiently than any human could while advancements in production technology will likely bring about a condition of post-scarcity which would obviously make today's market economics obsolete. But this futuristic prediction is not really central to our idea of a resistance movement. It's just the way we foresee technology evolving. By the way, there are already videos about "techno-communism" on YouTube.

Yes, we don't like the Jews but we don't advocate for indiscriminate genocide. I don't claim to know the best solution to the JQ but I certainly advocate for the destruction of Jewish power, the execution and imprisonment of all of those behind the NWO and its perverse agendas, and the removal of all Jewish influence from finance and the media. Too many normies might not be redpilled on the JQ right now but that will probably change once desperation sets in and more people wake up and see who is behind the edifice of power.

Our desire to keep in shape, train with weapons and participate in a possible future armed rebellion against the NWO isn't cringe at all. It is completely logical to prepare oneself and to want to do one's bit should such an opportunity arise. It is also very natural to harbor such indignation and a desire to fight given that we are being literally poisoned and slowly exterminated by the hidden enemy. What is really cringe is your patent pussydom, your complete aversion to any form of the warrior spirit, your willingness to mock men who desire to violently rebel against a perverse tribal mafia that has been oppressing and enslaving us for centuries, just because you yourself have always been a weak and spineless dweebish guy who let himself be pushed around by stronger and more virile men and therefore hates strength and warlike masculinity! Your passivity and weakness are way cringier! Pixel--Dude and I on the other hand have always cultivated strength and martial virtue and had the courage to stand up for ourselves. It's just in our nature.

Those who don't do adequate exercise and live a bad lifestyle tend to decline in their 40s or 50s while those who do resistance training and martial arts and maintain a good diet tend to remain in much better shape for much longer. Cornfed is almost 50 and he's jacked. gsjackson is 70 and he's still doing weight training and intense workouts. My uncle (the baddass, primally masculine stud who I talked about before on this forum) is almost 60 and he's still built like Popeye and recently beat the shit out of a 20-something year-old musclehead who was harassing my female cousin. The senior wrestling instructor at my old wrestling club in Spain is 70 and he can still get on the mat and wrestle with the young guys. If a guy keeps himself in shape and eats well he can still be strong and fit into old age. Pixel--Dude is naturally a big strong guy and I'm obsessed with martial arts and have been doing physical training since I was 13. Even if the resistance against the NWO takes place in a few decades (although I believe that it will happen sooner in light of the urgency of the current situation) I'm sure that we'll do okay! :wink:
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