Hong Kong massive protests over China's extradition bill that violate human rights & democracy

[Winston]

Kudos to these Asians who finally have the guts to stand up for something they believe in against all odds, something which is very unAsian.

For anyone who wants to know what the massive Hong Kong protests are about, and the background history of Hong Kong and China, here is a great explanation.



What do you guys think?

These mass protesters have even stopped two days of flights at the HK airport, which greatly upset the system. Man they are making waves and rocking the boat!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc4UjBsVwNM

These democracy protesters even had the gall to take down China's flag and throw it in the harbor! Wow. I never seen Asians that gutsy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4RXBvtPBQY

Why China blames the US for these massive HK protests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz1TZej_uGY

To counteract the protests, China has now moved military vehicles and troops to the HK/Shenzhen border.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjTj1y6YB6Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4q1F5ua29U

Wow. I wonder how far this will escalate. What do you guys think?

[Cornfed]

Obviously legally HK should revert to being a UK possession, for whatever that's worth. If not, then it's China. I don't get the current position.

[Winston]

Some articles about the Hong Kong riots and protests.

Clashes at Hong Kong airport; U.N. urges restraint over protests. https://tiny.iavian.net/uhx8

Riot police clash with protesters at Hong Kong airport as Chinese forces mass at border. https://tiny.iavian.net/uhr1

Hong Kong protesters wave American flag, sing national anthem. https://tiny.iavian.net/uhxw

Riot police, protesters clash in unprecedented violence at Hong Kong airport. https://tiny.iavian.net/ui1j

Riot police storm Hong Kong Airport after second day of cancellations due to protests. https://tiny.iavian.net/uhwu

[Winston]

These asians are idiots though, for thinking that democracy is the opposite of authoritarianism or communism. All they have to go is google "John Birch Society" or "Edward G Griffin" to find out the truth - that democracy is a mere stepping stone toward communism and socialism, and always has been. Its been a trick by the NWO to subvert republics into socialist communist regimes and control people and hoard all the wealth into the elite. A total con.

Human rights, civil rights, democracy, liberalism, etc have always been used by communists to infiltrate a country under the banner of "social justice" and take control. Thats the new conquest mode since the 1700s.

If these Asians bothered to study a little real history theyd know that, rather than spout false cliches that attempt to link democracy and freedom. Democracy is tyranny of the majority or the most mediocre of the masses. Thats not a good thing. Its not freedom even.

[Winston]

Obviously legally HK should revert to being a UK possession, for whatever that's worth. If not, then it's China. I don't get the current position.

Why so? HK was legally given over to China in 1997. It was the last of the british empire to fall. The UK signed an agreement with China about this. So there is no legal dispute over that. Besides, Britain took HK by force in the late 1800s anyway, so its not like HK willingly submitted to the British empire.

The issue now is that under the HK / China treaty, HK is supposed to be allowed to retain its democracy, human rights laws, and system of government until 2047, when it will supposed to be fully merged with China. Thats why HK today has a border and different currency and passport than China does.

However, the new extradition bill violates that agreement. And the HK people feel that China wants to take down their democratic system and human rights laws now, rather than wait til 2047. They see that as a violation of the treaty and agreement they made with China long ago. See the first video above for a run down and background explanation.

[Winston]

@momopi what do you think? Which side are you on? You said before you are pro-authoritarian right? If so, why? On what basis?

[Contrarian Expatriate]

This video nicely describes what is going on in Hong Kong. China is an authoritarian state seeking to incrementally take over the liberal democracy that is Hong Kong and the Hong Kongers are not having it.

When I was in Hong Kong 9 months ago, I already tasted the tension and the China-hatred.



China would love to use this opportunity to reassert full dominance of Hong Kong and later Taiwan, but it has to use kid gloves so as to not experience an "Asian Summer" where they LOSE both.

My personal view is that China will let the fervor die down and maintain the status quo. If the protests worsen, China may have to implement a bloodbath in Hong Kong to reestablish order and control, and to send a message to Taiwan.

Worse case scenario is that bloodbaths in both Hong Kong and Taiwan occur but China ultimately loses both. China would likely then start a retaliatory war with the West involving Japan and South Korea because they know that Western liberal democracy is at the core of the current uprising.

[Moretorque]

At the center of all this who is there ?, the British Empire is always involved in all disputes. Reading all the real treaties that run the world currently would be nice and I believe you will find the Citi is sitting on them all. They need help in building and running the one world system and they need the illusion of democracy and that is the con of the elite who set all this up. Their democracies are just another name for a clever dictatorship designed to dupe and herd us all in the end....

Mr. Wu needs to show up there and kick some a$$.....

[flowerthief00]

If these Asians bothered to study a little real history theyd know that, rather than spout false cliches that attempt to link democracy and freedom. Democracy is tyranny of the majority or the most mediocre of the masses. Thats not a good thing. Its not freedom even.

Sure, if it's direct rule by the people. The word is often used as shorthand for representative democracy, which is as good as it gets for a system of government. Like Churchill said, "the worst form of government except for all the others".

[Moretorque]

If these Asians bothered to study a little real history theyd know that, rather than spout false cliches that attempt to link democracy and freedom. Democracy is tyranny of the majority or the most mediocre of the masses. Thats not a good thing. Its not freedom even.

Sure, if it's direct rule by the people. The word is often used as shorthand for representative democracy, which is as good as it gets for a system of government. Like Churchill said, "the worst form of government except for all the others".

The problem here is you are listening to Chuchill, just another stooge of the British empire. Everything the empire spits out is in fact lies. When will people finally figure this out, it's all just a word con and is usually 180 degrees opposite of what they claim. They are setting up a totalitarian dictatrship world wide calling it democracy and pefecting a system to where we are managed from cradle to grave as a # on a spread sheet. Stupid people are their ace in the hole.

The system at it's core is very clever....

[Taco]

Wow. I wonder how far this will escalate. What do you guys think?

This will escalate to every country in the world. This is just the opening act for WW3.

The real issue is China just devalued their currency to 7.1 Yuan = 1 USD. Some financial analysts think the global markets will start to implode when China's Yuan gets to 7.3.

[flowerthief00]

The problem here is you are listening to Chuchill, just another stooge of the British empire. Everything the empire spits out is in fact lies. When will people finally figure this out, it's all just a word con and is usually 180 degrees opposite of what they claim. They are setting up a totalitarian dictatrship world wide calling it democracy and pefecting a system to where we are managed from cradle to grave as a # on a spread sheet. Stupid people are their ace in the hole.

The system at it's core is very clever....

You're welcome to have your own opinion of Churchill, but um, something you may be forgetting: the British empire hasn't been an empire for half a century.

[Moretorque]

Reread what I wrote, it does not seem to be sticking. Alot of people in England don't even realize the CITI is a state inside a state. The financial district which is the CITI is the British empire that has foisted this web of debt world wide.

Break down who owns the US federal reserve and you will find they are from the CITI and they also own all controlling stocks in all central banks world wide and that is just the beginning of their portfolios....

[Taco]

Here's some video of the protests...



https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08- ... g-protests

[flowerthief00]

Reread what I wrote, it does not seem to be sticking. Alot of people in England don't even realize the CITI is a state inside a state. The financial district which is the CITI is the British empire that has foisted this web of debt world wide.

Break down who owns the US federal reserve and you will find they are from the CITI and they also own all controlling stocks in all central banks world wide and that is just the beginning of their portfolios....

Whatever is supposed to be sticking still ain't. You're talking another language. Sorry that I don't speak Conspirac-ese.