Japan's MGTOW: Hikikomori men locking themselves

[Adama]

Look at how a discussion about MGTOW quickly devolves into a discussion about having sex with inanimate objects. You thought women were screwed up with their dildos and toys. Men now want to have sex with dolls that resemble flesh and blood women? And for what cause? Because they're too afraid to interact with flesh and blood women. They're so afraid they'd prefer to interact with and have sex with some automaton.

That's not just admitting defeat. That is a whole nother level of downright creepiness. Somehow though this is seen as normal and proper. In reality it just shows you the mindset of the poor souls who would want to stick their private member in an electronic device that resembles a woman rather than in a woman.

And this is supposed to make women compromise how? The men who remain who like real women will simply sweep up the remainder of non ball busting, non-transgender women, while the stupid MGTOW will simply have sex with their dolls.

You guys don't see the bigger picture that 1 + 1 doesn't always equal two except for in mathematics. A + B doesn't lead to C when we are dealing with women. You will not force women to compromise by boycott. First because no boycott will harm a woman in this fashion today because the remainder men will sweep up the remainder women, but also because this is not a program foisted upon us by women but instead by the elites who own and control governments, Think Tanks, the media, the school system and the police.

First you'd have to reverse engineer society for 15 to 20 years starting with children in school to indoctrinate them back to the proper way of behaving. This is what the elites did over 100 years using the "education" system and the Prussian method of schooling children.

All of this is null and void though, if you realized that all you have to do is find a woman who is submissive towards you. She shows you this by her desire to please you as the man. Find a woman who is willing to please you and feminism will not affect your relationship. The whole world doesn't matter. You just have to concern yourself with your own personal needs and stop using society as an excuse to retreat. You also won't have to run off to Timbuktu. You can live anywhere if the woman is submissive and feminine. The man is in charge God said so. Look around you, unless the woman is an angry feminist or their man is a wuss, women are performing exactly as their husbands require.

Every relationship I had where the woman was ball busting and uncooperative, as soon as I called them out on it, they left on their own accord. And I will tell you that if you get the right woman who is submissive, she will literally bring other women to you, on her own accord. Learn which women to pick and they will do virtually all the work. That's what a woman does when she loves her man. You suckers just believe that women only do it for bad boys. The truth is, they only do it for the men they have resonance with.

[Yohan]

Look at how a discussion about MGTOW quickly devolves into a discussion about having sex with inanimate objects

It was you who was starting this thread claiming Japanese Hikikomori are the same as Western MGTOW. - Even claiming these Hikikomori are a sub-culture of the online community MGTOW, despite Hikikomori - these are children of financially well-off Japanese families, living as parasite singles - existed clearly long before the internet.

It was also you later on who was starting to talk about sex with inanimate objects. I told you already, most of these products, originally created in USA, is now made in Japan/China, but mainly for export - these sex-dolls are now a tiny part of the Japanese robot and design industry.

What is next?

Adama: The man is in charge God said so.

Maybe as MGTOW... but otherwise?

[NorthAmericanguy]

Look at how a discussion about MGTOW quickly devolves into a discussion about having sex with inanimate objects. You thought women were screwed up with their dildos and toys. Men now want to have sex with dolls that resemble flesh and blood women? And for what cause? Because they're too afraid to interact with flesh and blood women. They're so afraid they'd prefer to interact with and have sex with some automaton.

That's not just admitting defeat. That is a whole nother level of downright creepiness. Somehow though this is seen as normal and proper. In reality it just shows you the mindset of the poor souls who would want to stick their private member in an electronic device that resembles a woman rather than in a woman.

I completely agree with this. Some guys are just so afraid to interact with a real woman on any kind of level (i.e. PUA, Prostitution, ect) they feel they can just circumvent real women all together and use a doll.

Sorry guys, you're only going to dig yourself even further in the hole and become even more fearful around women. Furthermore, you're going to miss out on the mental and physical health benefits from blowing your hot load down a pretty woman's mouth/p***y.

[Yohan]

Look at how a discussion about MGTOW quickly devolves into a discussion about having sex with inanimate objects.

.....Some guys are just so afraid to interact with a real woman on any kind of level (i.e. PUA, Prostitution, ect) they feel they can just circumvent real women all together and use a doll.

It was Adama who created this thread and who was starting to mention sex-toys. As far as I know he is still single... Hmmm...Hmmm...

I think there are also women who are afraid of men so they are using sex-toys, and what about them?

[The_Adventurer]

I completely agree with this. Some guys are just so afraid to interact with a real woman on any kind of level (i.e. PUA, Prostitution, ect) they feel they can just circumvent real women all together and use a doll.

Sorry guys, you're only going to dig yourself even further in the hole and become even more fearful around women. Furthermore, you're going to miss out on the mental and physical health benefits from blowing your hot load down a pretty woman's mouth/p***y.

Seems to me you guys are completely missing, or wilfully ignoring, so many points made in this thread. You also seem unable to look at what is going on in Japan without your American/western glasses on. It seems you have already decided to paint these guys as overweight, pimple-faced, basement dwellers who clam up around women and have no social skills, as would be the case in America. That, however, is not Japan.

It has been mentioned already that many Herbivore men have female friends. They go to lunch and dinner with them. They work with them. They hang out with them. They have active social lives. But a large percentage, on both sides, male and female, have no interest in romantic entanglements, marriage, or starting a family in this day and age. The men don't want to be what their fathers were. Assuming it was even possible in the current unstable economy, they see no benefit to the man for following such a path. The women don't want to what their mothers were. Or did you forget the quote, from Yohan, which stated, "a whopping 59% of female respondents aged 16 to 19 said they were uninterested in or averse to sex."

I saw this documentary, which featured this old guy from Nintendo. Not the Mario creator, but a different guy, who still had some famous titles under his belt. He saw the writing on the wall long ago and created this virtual "girlfriend" game, which has already sold millions. Of course, the virtual girlfriend is a perfect girlfriend, who treats the guy great, and obviously doesn't nag etc. In the film, the herbivore men who play, were sitting down with their female friends and talking about why they like this game. The women didn't quite get it, but they didn't seem bothered by it either.

The fact is, this game exemplifies what these meant desire in a relationship. If a real woman can't provide that, they prefer the game. 20 years from now that may very well be a walking, talking, realistic looking robot.

BTW Japan has a thriving sex industry. Socially awkward guys who desire women, but don't know how to talk to them or get one, spend large portions of their income in BJ bars, hostess clubs, etc. But these are not Herbivore men....

[Yohan]

Seems to me you guys are completely missing, or wilfully ignoring, so many points made in this thread. You also seem unable to look at what is going on in Japan without your American/western glasses on.
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It has been mentioned already that many Herbivore men have female friends. They go to lunch and dinner with them. They work with them. They hang out with them. They have active social lives. But a large percentage, on both sides, male and female, have no interest in romantic entanglements, marriage, or starting a family in this day and age. The men don't want to be what their fathers were. Assuming it was even possible in the current unstable economy, they see no benefit to the man for following such a path. The women don't want to what their mothers were.
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BTW Japan has a thriving sex industry...

Thank you for your excellent summery of the situation here in Japan.

In the Japanese cities herbivore men and women do not have any problem to socialize, everybody who ever visited any Japanese city will agree that many Japanese are totally obsessed with restaurants and hot springs, clubs of any kind from golf to motorcycle/cars, or getting active in any student group, visiting any kind of sightseeing spot, or exhibition etc.

The Japanese domestic tourism for singles was always strong with plenty of sightseeing buses and train/rent-a-car arrangements, cheap domestic flights etc. and these single travelers are spending a lot of money.

During the last years this 'party-outgoing' is moving strongly also into international tourism, not only Hawaii as before, but also into China, Australia, Europe.... Whenever I sit in an airplane to abroad, next to me are single Japanese travelers.

Japanese young women are also known to spend a lot of money into cosmetics, beauty surgery, dental and skin services, clothes, shoes, jewelry and they can pay for that out of their own wallet.

This money must come from 'somewhere' and these herbivore men and women have a job - not a very stable job however - and some money which they spend for themselves and not for housing loans or educational fees for children.

This life-style for a single is now so strong in the cities in Japan that there are entire houses with small rooms for rent, only suitable for singles. There are large hotels with rooms only for singles etc. These herbivore young people want to enjoy a nice life NOW without thinking too much about tomorrow.

What is wrong with that? I also would think twice as a young man with insecure employment and less income than my father to sign a housing loan contract of USD 600.000,- over 30 years to start a family, when I have the alternative to pay USD 500,- rent for my room but stay alone free of obligations.

How to pay such debts back? Out of which income in case of troubles? Nobody is willing to answer this question.

And yes, if a Japanese man has a strong sexual desire, he can click on one of these many webpages of the Japanese sex-businesses with his i-phone, there are so-called love-hotels everywhere next to a railway station or highway-exit, and some real women will show up within a few minutes, there are also membership-clubs, even for women who want to be served by a man....

It is also not true that Japanese herbivore people remain single all their life. I can say it only from our office staff and my neighborhood - many are singles up to 35, 40, but not much longer, they start to live together - not with 20 or 25, but about 15 to 20 years later than their parents and grandparents.

[Adama]

Look at how a discussion about MGTOW quickly devolves into a discussion about having sex with inanimate objects. You thought women were screwed up with their dildos and toys. Men now want to have sex with dolls that resemble flesh and blood women? And for what cause? Because they're too afraid to interact with flesh and blood women. They're so afraid they'd prefer to interact with and have sex with some automaton.

That's not just admitting defeat. That is a whole nother level of downright creepiness. Somehow though this is seen as normal and proper. In reality it just shows you the mindset of the poor souls who would want to stick their private member in an electronic device that resembles a woman rather than in a woman.

I completely agree with this. Some guys are just so afraid to interact with a real woman on any kind of level (i.e. PUA, Prostitution, ect) they feel they can just circumvent real women all together and use a doll.

Sorry guys, you're only going to dig yourself even further in the hole and become even more fearful around women. Furthermore, you're going to miss out on the mental and physical health benefits from blowing your hot load down a pretty woman's mouth/p***y.

It's really the acceptance of limiting beliefs and fear. They don't believe they are worthy of female companionship because of some flaw, even as simple as being a man. They also deeply fear women, despite what they say. Most of the men like them are afraid to "conquer" women. Not in the sexual way but by being the man in the relationship (as opposed to the co-equal). That's why they fear women. They aren't aware that many women do like to submit to men. If they had ever had women submit to them, that would have eliminated much of their fear right there. So they haven't been "the man" and encountered those submissive women. Or if they have, their inner mangina caused them to reject such a relationship as dysfunctional.

Something these blind fools also do not understand is that a discussion of men doesn't also mean there must simultaneously be an equivalent discussion about women to maintain a sense of balance. That is just stupidity and shows what a "male feminist" (idiot who believes in philosophy rather than reality) a person is. Just because we're discussing the flaws of a toyota, it doesn't mean we have to start talking about ford or have it deemed unfair. This is just idiocy. If we're talking about toyotas, we should concentrate on toyotas. The fact that we're not discussing the flaws of the competitor is not a sign of any kind of bias, only that focus is on a different place. Neither does it deny that such flaws exist in fords. These people really are beyond stupid with their male feminism and their online social justice keyboard warrior-ing.

[Yohan]

.....It's really the acceptance of limiting beliefs and fear. They don't believe they are worthy of female companionship because of some flaw, even as simple as being a man. They also deeply fear women, despite what they say. Most of the men like them are afraid to "conquer" women. Not in the sexual way but by being the man in the relationship (as opposed to the co-equal). That's why they fear women. They aren't aware that many women do like to submit to men. If they had ever had women submit to them, that would have eliminated much of their fear right there. So they haven't been "the man" and encountered those submissive women. Or if they have, their inner mangina caused them to reject such a relationship as dysfunctional.

Something these blind fools also do not understand is that a discussion of men doesn't also mean there must simultaneously be an equivalent discussion about women to maintain a sense of balance. That is just stupidity and shows what a "male feminist" (idiot who believes in philosophy rather than reality) a person is. Just because we're discussing the flaws of a toyota, it doesn't mean we have to start talking about ford or have it deemed unfair. This is just idiocy. If we're talking about toyotas, we should concentrate on toyotas. The fact that we're not discussing the flaws of the competitor is not a sign of any kind of bias, only that focus is on a different place. Neither does it deny that such flaws exist in fords. These people really are beyond stupid with their male feminism and their online social justice keyboard warrior-ing.

This is really nothing but a very strange comment of a person, who has never been anywhere in Asia, and who has likely never been out of his little town in USA.

No man here in Japan is afraid to keep contact with a woman. Why should he?

I explained to you already, in Japanese cities herbivore men and women do not have any problem to socialize. In Japanese cities are many young women everywhere.

Problems in rural areas do exist however, but not because young men are afraid of women, it is because in Japanese rural area there are only plenty of elderly couples and a huge surplus of young men who continue working with farming or fishing etc. within the business of their parents, while young women are often moving away to the larger cities.

That's why they FEAR women? Adama, about what are you talking? You have no idea, really you have no idea about life away from the little place you are living now....

I also fail completely to understand what Toyota and Ford (Mazda) have to do with male feminists.... Please explain!

Did you take your medication today?