Completely Alone And Utterly Depressed

[Eric]

All I know is what Kradmelder says and tells me about South Africa. He still talks about it like there is good old-country folk still there, that it's f***ed, yes - but that there's still existing the traditional white European cultural roots there. I believe him too, because I've known some South African guys, and they are very cool.
I like them, they are real 'men' and their culture affords them that much. It seems on a level South Africa endures more violence and much more physical assaults and external things to the situation, but that America has endures such massive all-encompassing psychological assault(s). It's like an experiment to see in how many ways they can affect, alter or negatively- engineer it. It's like a lab experiment.

If you have to ask me, I think that latter is far more damaging and insidious - simply by the very damaging, stealth and subversive nature of it from all and many angles. And I'm not comparing the two, that's just what I think.

I mean look at it.

[yick]

I think the white South African experience is a really good indicator/warning of what's going to happen to working class people in our countries real soon. It was only 25 years ago working class white South Africans - didn't matter how stupid, untalented or useless they were - had well paid job security for life in the post office or the prison service or on the railways - they usually got to management and had black underlings doing the work.

Nowadays, most of those people are in squatter camps or are living in London, Australia or New Zealand hating their lives. How any Afrikaner manages to like London is beyond my comprehension but there you go - needs must I suppose.

I think if one is a working class person in our countries, the white South African reminder is a reminder/warning to get qualified, get educated and to get skills because we'll be put out to pasture and no-one will give a f**k. The days of having value of being an honest, hard toiler have long gone. Or they are disappearing fast. Krad will come on soon (I'm sure...) and give his opinions on these white people in squatter camps, he's not particulary sympathetic. Also with Krad, his views of white South African society come from a very middle class perspective - the middle class/upper middle class white people in our countries are always going to prosper and do well.

Basically, when it gets to that stage as it has with working class white South Africans, we're all on our own. And I believe it's coming to our countries, as for us, Eric. We have education and degrees, we are ahead of the pack even now, thankfully.

[Eric]

I have a lot of respect for Krad. I think he's a strong dude.

[Adama]

For some reason people think the measure of a man is how much money he makes. Even then though, there are laws in the USA that if you have an unfortunate circumstance happen to you, they can take away that engineering license, that physician's license or even that license for the electrician or the plumber. They can even refuse to renew your driver's license.

And if they take away that means to earn that income, what is to come of that man then?

And also the cost of entry now is quite steep, because it goes to the $90,000 a year plus salaries of the instructors and the greater salary for the administrators of the colleges and universities. Unless your parents are willing to pay those bills, a graduate can come out of school $60,000 to $150,000 in debt just for the undergraduate degree.

I have met some unemployed engineer graduates. One guy I know finally got a job working as a surgeon's assistant (handing the instruments to the surgeon), which probably doesn't pay as much as he expected he would earn in this life.

And for some reason people in the upper class with their advanced degrees think they are exempt from adversity. They are not. They just think they are, because for now they have been relatively untouched. The working classes also went untouched. Somehow though, these people think they will be passed over, when they are already being targeted.

[Adama]

All I know is what Kradmelder says and tells me about South Africa. He still talks about it like there is good old-country folk still there, that it's f***ed, yes - but that there's still existing the traditional white European cultural roots there. I believe him too, because I've known some South African guys, and they are very cool.
I like them, they are real 'men' and their culture affords them that much. It seems on a level South Africa endures more violence and much more physical assaults and external things to the situation, but that America has endures such massive all-encompassing psychological assault(s). It's like an experiment to see in how many ways they can affect, alter or negatively- engineer it. It's like a lab experiment.

If you have to ask me, I think that latter is far more damaging and insidious - simply by the very damaging, stealth and subversive nature of it from all and many angles. And I'm not comparing the two, that's just what I think.

I mean look at it.

There are different types of people wherever you go in any particular country. For example, if you got a job on Wall St and became successful and began to hung out with Wall St types, you might come to a vastly different conclusion about American society than a man who works overseas in Thailand or China teaching English.

[yick]

For some reason people think the measure of a man is how much money he makes. Even then though, there are laws in the USA that if you have an unfortunate circumstance happen to you, they can take away that engineering license, that physician's license or even that license for the electrician or the plumber. They can even refuse to renew your driver's license.

And if they take away that means to earn that income, what is to come of that man then?

And also the cost of entry now is quite steep, because it goes to the $90,000 a year plus salaries of the instructors and the greater salary for the administrators of the colleges and universities. Unless your parents are willing to pay those bills, a graduate can come out of school $60,000 to $150,000 in debt just for the undergraduate degree.

I have met some unemployed engineer graduates. One guy I know finally got a job working as a surgeon's assistant (handing the instruments to the surgeon), which probably doesn't pay as much as he expected he would earn in this life.

And for some reason people in the upper class with their advanced degrees think they are exempt from adversity. They are not. They just think they are, because for now they have been relatively untouched. The working classes also went untouched. Somehow though, these people think they will be passed over, when they are already being targeted.

You might be right (apart from infusing the class system into academic qualifications - do upper class people have any more advanced degrees than the middle class? I guess they don't) on most of what you said? So what - you don't go get yourself qualified as best as you can because it might not work out the way you want it?

And someone with education and degrees has more of a chance of getting on than someone without them. That is fact.

[yick]

All I know is what Kradmelder says and tells me about South Africa. He still talks about it like there is good old-country folk still there, that it's f***ed, yes - but that there's still existing the traditional white European cultural roots there. I believe him too, because I've known some South African guys, and they are very cool.
I like them, they are real 'men' and their culture affords them that much. It seems on a level South Africa endures more violence and much more physical assaults and external things to the situation, but that America has endures such massive all-encompassing psychological assault(s). It's like an experiment to see in how many ways they can affect, alter or negatively- engineer it. It's like a lab experiment.

If you have to ask me, I think that latter is far more damaging and insidious - simply by the very damaging, stealth and subversive nature of it from all and many angles. And I'm not comparing the two, that's just what I think.

I mean look at it.

There are different types of people wherever you go in any particular country. For example, if you got a job on Wall St and became successful and began to hung out with Wall St types, you might come to a vastly different conclusion about American society than a man who works overseas in Thailand or China teaching English.

Is that so? Would it be fair to say that everyone's opinion on a certain society is valid as long as they live somewhere that's comparable? What has it got to do with what someone does for a living.

I mean, even you can contribute Adama - on the dole/welfare over there in America, living with mum.

[Adama]

Not everything is under an individual’s control. There is a lot that goes into a decent social environment, and if it is not there or the society is actively hostile to it, then you are pretty much f***ed. In a situation I was in a few years ago I made great male friends and probably would have remained friends for life in some cases if we didn’t have to disperse. (Not so great with females, but I imagine there are places even in the West where things would be OK with them.) Other times things have sucked. How do we explain this? I am the same person, but situations change. A lot of times in life we have to make the best of what we are given, and that is not always so great.

Back when I was asleep, I made friends with a random guy and we went around his town and ran errands for him. Then he took me to his house and I met his family and we had dinner. He did not introduce me to his sister, and I didn't go back to see him again, but I wish I had. His sister was absolutely gorgeous and just a few years younger. She was blonde with blue eyes too. (They didn't eat at a dinner table but in their living room around their TV.)

If you can find a good friend (who isn't a back stabber or ravening wolf secretly hoping to destroy you), then it might be that he has a sister. True friendship seems to be rare though, cause many friends will laugh at your problems rather than trying to assist you through them.

[Adama]

I mean, even you can contribute Adama - on the dole/welfare over there in America, living with mum.

This is exactly what I am talking about. There are those who seek peace in this life. Then there are others who speak bitter words and who love strife.

[yick]

I mean, even you can contribute Adama - on the dole/welfare over there in America, living with mum.

This is exactly what I am talking about. There are those who seek peace in this life. Then there are others who speak bitter words and who love strife.

You're the one who started it, being snotty at people who teach English in Thailand or China as if they are the opposite spectrum of some megabucks Wall Street executive.

You didn't explain why someone who teaches English in Asia has an invalid opinion but let me just say as an English teacher with advanced degrees in the subject - I love my job, it's great and am able to be 'happier abroad' and make a living as well as give out valid opinions on social issues that affect us all, what do you do that's so great? No f***ing much I bet.

Have you ever lived abroad?

[Adama]

I mean, even you can contribute Adama - on the dole/welfare over there in America, living with mum.

This is exactly what I am talking about. There are those who seek peace in this life. Then there are others who speak bitter words and who love strife.

You're the one who started it, being snotty at people who teach English in Thailand or China as if they are the opposite spectrum of some megabucks Wall Street executive.

You didn't explain why someone who teaches English in Asia has an invalid opinion but let me just say as an English teacher with advanced degrees in the subject - I love my job, it's great and am able to be 'happier abroad' and make a living, what do you do that's so great? No f***ing much I bet.

Have you ever lived abroad?

You perceive an attack when there was none. You're so quick with your words of death. Keep up the evil work.

I was going to explain. It would be nice if you could make polite request, which evidently you'd shun and would rather speak evil.

And of course everything is about you personally and it must be a veiled attack. You were never even in my thoughts.


One person who is rich and working in elite circles will have one opinion of society. Another who is not rich and not working in elite circles will have a different opinion.

That is, if a person is a doctor and has made friends with doctors and has a full personally life, he will have a different opinion on society and how great it is compared to someone who works in another profession and who associates with different kinds of people.

In other words, the prosperity of the rich blinds them to certain aspects of life, just as the life of others blinds them to certain aspects of life.

So when someone is constantly saying MY COUNTRY IS GREAT, it doesn't necessarily mean their country is better than any other. It just means from their perspective it seems great and is great for them. But from the perspective of another person it may not seem so great.

[yick]

You perceive an attack when there was none. You're so quick with your words of death. Keep up the evil work.

That's because it was, you have a really feminine way of debating, like an embittered lesbian. I can only partake in evil if evil is around me.

I was going to explain. It would be nice if you could make polite request, which evidently you'd shun and would rather speak evil.

And of course everything is about you personally and it must be a veiled attack. You were never even in my thoughts.

Funny though, you keep replying to me - funny how you manage to do that and not be in your thoughts.

One person who is rich and working in elite circles will have one opinion of society. Another who is not rich and not working in elite circles will have a different opinion.

That is, if a person is a doctor and has made friends with doctors and has a full personally life, he will have a different opinion on society and how great it is compared to someone who works in another profession and who associates with different kinds of people.

In other words, the prosperity of the rich blinds them to certain aspects of life, just as the life of others blinds them to certain aspects of life.

So when someone is constantly saying MY COUNTRY IS GREAT, it doesn't necessarily mean their country is better than any other. It just means from their perspective it seems great and is great for them. But from the perspective of another person it may not seem so great.

Except you didn't do any of that.

You made a barbed, snidey, feminine attack - for some reason you picked English teachers in Asia - just out of thin air instead of - I don't know - post men or bin men - though I am of the opinion all honest work carries dignity, whatever it is.

Basically, an English teacher living in Asia is probably in a better position to compare than someone who works as a doctor who has never lived outside of America because they can compare their experiences of living in more than one country. I am in a better position to judge what my country does well in and what it doesn't based on my experiences of living in another country/ies - it gives me more than one dimensional view of my home country.

Again, have you ever lived abroad? You could offer these viewpoints if you had.

[Adama]

You perceive an attack when there was none. You're so quick with your words of death. Keep up the evil work.

That's because it was, you have a really feminine way of debating, like an embittered lesbian. I can only partake in evil if evil is around me.

I was going to explain. It would be nice if you could make polite request, which evidently you'd shun and would rather speak evil.

And of course everything is about you personally and it must be a veiled attack. You were never even in my thoughts.

Funny though, you keep replying to me - funny how you manage to do that and not be in your thoughts.

One person who is rich and working in elite circles will have one opinion of society. Another who is not rich and not working in elite circles will have a different opinion.

That is, if a person is a doctor and has made friends with doctors and has a full personally life, he will have a different opinion on society and how great it is compared to someone who works in another profession and who associates with different kinds of people.

In other words, the prosperity of the rich blinds them to certain aspects of life, just as the life of others blinds them to certain aspects of life.

So when someone is constantly saying MY COUNTRY IS GREAT, it doesn't necessarily mean their country is better than any other. It just means from their perspective it seems great and is great for them. But from the perspective of another person it may not seem so great.

Except you didn't do any of that.

You made a barbed, snidey, feminine attack - for some reason you picked English teachers in Asia - just out of thin air instead of - I don't know - post men or bin men - though I am of the opinion all honest work carries dignity, whatever it is.

Basically, an English teacher living in Asia is probably in a better position to compare than someone who works as a doctor who has never lived outside of America because they can compare their experiences of living in more than one country. I am in a better position to judge what my country does well in and what it doesn't based on my experiences of living in another country/ies - it gives me more than one dimensional view of my home country.

Again, have you ever lived abroad? You could offer these viewpoints if you had.

See, you're always involved in some strife. That's so sad. Insults just littered throughout your posts, and you're swift to take offense and cannot even overlook a supposed slight against yourself. You can't even let it go even now. You continue with yet more insults.

This is why I don't bother with people. They don't even attempt to understand that different people who live different lives have different perspectives, especially considering they have different lives, earn different amounts of money, etc. This is not difficult to grasp, except if the person is looking for a fight, online no less, for no reason, except they think they have been insulted in some feminine way.

Venom under their lips, speaking bitterness, swift to shed blood, unwilling to see perspective, no empathy. Just filled with hatred over nothing.

[Adama]

Again, have you ever lived abroad? You could offer these viewpoints if you had.

As if whatever I answered wouldn't just be ammunition for more insults. It's better not to bother giving you information. Certain types of people only use information to smear the characters of others. Shameful. They are just seeking an occasion to destroy another person. You've already demonstrated that you're filled with unkindness.

[yick]

See, you're always involved in some strife. That's so sad. Insults just littered throughout your posts, and you're swift to take offense and cannot even overlook a supposed slight against yourself. You can't even let it go even now. You continue with yet more insults.

I was just saying, you argue like a woman. I see you don't deny it.

This is why I don't bother with people. They don't even attempt to understand that different people who live different lives have different perspectives, especially considering they have different lives, earn different amounts of money, etc. This is not difficult to grasp, except if the person is looking for a fight, online no less, for no reason, except they think they have been insulted in some feminine way.

Venom under their lips, speaking bitterness, swift to shed blood, unwilling to see perspective, no empathy. Just filled with hatred over nothing.

I made the point that if someone lives abroad, even an English teacher, they might have more than a one dimensional view on how their home country stacks up based on real life experience.

It's not difficult, what has it got to do if someone works on Wall Street or cleans toilets?