Could Covid-19 be a scam or hoax? Does anyone know anyone who has it?

[WisconsinMan82]

A poster here, who goes by the name "Neo," said that it was a hoax a long time ago.

But what do you mean by hoax? Do you mean:

1. The virus itself doesn't exist or is not much different from the normal flu?
2. The virus does exist but is exaggerated and lied about and taken out of proportion and not that deadly?
3. The virus does exist but the government is overreacting and taking advantage of it, and using it as an excuse to impose totalitarian control to satisfy control freaks at the top who dream of authoritarian dictatorship ala George Orwell?

I'm not Neo, but I believe 2 and 3 to be true.

[Winston]

Rock knows some people who got covid19 too.

[7/9, 6:40 PM] Rock Philippines: My uncle and aunt got COVID. Also some friend of my parents got it.
[7/9, 8:21 PM] Winston Wu: How do they know? Do the tests count any flu as covid19? Did they have any symptoms?
[7/9, 8:27 PM] Rock Philippines: They say it’s very painful and I don’t think they’ve recovered yet

@WorldTraveler how many people do you know who have it? Do you know their full names? Or are these second hand reports?

[Winston]

@flowerthief00
Those are valid points. However consider that:

1. Dr. Andrew Kaufman is a microbiologist and explained in his video presentation why Covid19 was never isolated or cultured. But of course his video was censored and banned. Did you see it before it was taken down? It was highly scientific. He was qualified in virology. Not a layman.

2. Of course if you are a doctor or scientist you have to agree with the consensus about covid19. If you dissent you lose your job or career and become blacklisted and ridiculed too. No professional can be a dissenter. We all know that. If you were them you would have to tow the line too. You have no choice. You also have to agree with global warming too, even if you don't, you have to pretend to for your careers sake. Professionals cannot say whatever they want without consequence.

Plus even if i found professional microbiologists like Dr. Andrew Kaufman who said otherwise, you'd simply call them a maverick and therefore not credible. Isn't that circular reasoning? Don't you understand that truth is not a democracy? Truth is determined by logic and evidence and reason. Not by authority or vote.

3. You don't understand how a conspiracy works. Not everyone has to be in on it. Only a few at the top do. Most people are just following orders or groupthink and going along with others in their field. They don't know the whole story and could be complying with a conspiracy without knowing it.

4. Since the 1960s we've all known that the government lies repeatedly about many things and has commit many crimes, both domestically and overseas. So isn't a government that lies and has committed conspiracies many times since the 1960s and prior too, capable of anything? How would u know what to believe anymore? How do you know when government is lying and when its telling the truth? Do you have a barometer to test when its lying and when its not? Or is government God and therefore always right and honest, even when it lies and covers up stuff? Remember the US government has been lying about the JFK assassination to this day even. Everyone knows that. And more people realize that they lied about 9/11 too. So if they have no credibility and have been proven to lie then how do you know what to believe?

If your friend lied to you, you would not believe him or her anymore. His or her credibility would be gone. So why is it that when government lies, people still believe everything it says? Isn't that odd? Isn't that proof of mind control?

Flowerthief00, I'm not saying you are wrong or that Covid19 doesn't exist. You may be right. But given all the above, how do you know? Who can you trust? Just something for you to consider.

[gsjackson]

You're nuts if you expect me to believe that the entire worldwide medical establishment is hoaxing us.

Yeah, that's how the current world works. People take their marching orders from those few at the top. If you got over your disbelief and looked at the data, that would make it plain. BTW, I do have scientific qualifications. The difference between me and the entire medical establishment is that I am not being paid by the bad guys. Same with a lot of people.

But Corny, to look at the data would be disobedience. The authorities have spoken, so what other course is there but to obey them?

Of course, anybody who did look at the data, even taking it at face value without discounting for the absurdly padded numbers, would see that covid 19 is ……... okay, let's not call it a hoax, let's call it the most bizarrely unjustified overreaction to events in the history of public policy.

[WorldTraveler]

@flowerthief00 I have to agree with you. The idea that millions of healthcare workers and politicians all over the would are able to work on one big hoax is stupid and for what reason? It is in no country's interest to have Covid-19.

They are not working on it - they are believing it and passively accepting it because they have been conditioned. And of course the scamdemic is in no country's interests. Do you think they know about or serve the country's interest though? It is in the global elite's interest.

The doctors see people dying from it. It is hardly a hoax. If it's a hoax go out and get and report back to us.

The only conspiracy is that the poster who is a travel blogger has made his video private. I have no clue why and hope he puts it back. Maybe because he said his manhood not working since he got Covid-19.

[WorldTraveler]

If your friend lied to you, you would not believe him or her anymore. His or her credibility would be gone. So why is it that when government lies, people still believe everything it says? Isn't that odd? Isn't that proof of mind control?

The reason the people believe what the government says is because they want to believe the government protects them, like their parents did when we were children. So if you don't believe that Covid-19 is deadly, why don't you fly back to Las Vegas and then hangout at the casinos for a week. Covid-19 is SARS. Wasn't SARS deadly?

Do you really believe all your conspiracy theories, or is it that you just enjoy arguing and the attention you get?

Yes, I know people in NYC that have had it. A friend knows someone in NJ who on a respirator. Friends know people in Florida that have had it, a family. They are very sick.

[Cornfed]

@flowerthief00 I have to agree with you. The idea that millions of healthcare workers and politicians all over the would are able to work on one big hoax is stupid and for what reason? It is in no country's interest to have Covid-19.

They are not working on it - they are believing it and passively accepting it because they have been conditioned. And of course the scamdemic is in no country's interests. Do you think they know about or serve the country's interest though? It is in the global elite's interest.

The doctors see people dying from it.

Of course people die of the common cold. People have to die of something, and if medical technology keeps them limping along to where their lives are having by a thread, it is more than likely that the common cold will finally put them out of their misery. This situation does not warrant shutting down society.

[Cornfed]

The reason the people believe what the government says is because they want to believe the government protects them, like their parents did when we were children.

Finally a sensible statement. Unfortunately in the current era, what the people want to believe and what they are getting are clearly two different things.

[Moretorque]

You know the thing that gets me about what is going on in the world today politically is don't people want to know who we owe all this money to ? I mean I was like when I went on the net and saying to myself who do we owe our national debt to so I typed in federal deficeit and it all and I mean all came right out. I takes you to the all seeing eye on top of the pyramid.

I do not get how people can be sooo dumb..... I didn't even have to look for it, it all just jumped out of the computer with those simple words done on a search. The Covid is just more of their BS is all period end of story....

[WorldTraveler]

You know the thing that gets me about what is going on in the world today politically is don't people want to know who we owe all this money to ? I mean I was like when I went on the net and saying to myself who do we owe our national debt to so I typed in federal deficeit and it all and I mean all came right out. I takes you to the all seeing eye on top of the pyramid.

I do not get how people can be sooo dumb..... I didn't even have to look for it, it all just jumped out of the computer with those simple words done on a search. The Covid is just more of their BS is all period end of story....

Countries don't try to ruin their economies. The rich get richer when there is a strong economy. Covid-19 is not a plot to destroy the country and the world economy. It is a black swan event. That has caused a tremendous about of human and economic damage to the world.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

A poster here, who goes by the name "Neo," said that it was a hoax a long time ago.

But what do you mean by hoax? Do you mean:

1. The virus itself doesn't exist or is not much different from the normal flu?
2. The virus does exist but is exaggerated and lied about and taken out of proportion and not that deadly?
3. The virus does exist but the government is overreacting and taking advantage of it, and using it as an excuse to impose totalitarian control to satisfy control freaks at the top who dream of authoritarian dictatorship ala George Orwell?

I'm not Neo, but I believe 2 and 3 to be true.

I 2nd that

[Cornfed]

You know the thing that gets me about what is going on in the world today politically is don't people want to know who we owe all this money to ? I mean I was like when I went on the net and saying to myself who do we owe our national debt to so I typed in federal deficeit and it all and I mean all came right out. I takes you to the all seeing eye on top of the pyramid.

I do not get how people can be sooo dumb..... I didn't even have to look for it, it all just jumped out of the computer with those simple words done on a search. The Covid is just more of their BS is all period end of story....

Countries don't try to ruin their economies. The rich get richer when there is a strong economy.

This might be an exception. You could think of it as a controlled demolition of a structure that was going to collapse anyway. To put it another way, the system was unsustainable, so the elite want to make sure that they are still in charge of what comes next. In the short term, that have managed to destroy lots of small businesses in favour of large corporations.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

This thread shows one of the dangers of falling prey to conspiracy theorists. At a certain point, some of these people cannot think objectively.

I do believe the pandemic is purposefully inflated to create chaos and fear in this election year. But anyone who believes that it is a worldwide hoax is divorced of reason.

[Cornfed]

I do believe the pandemic is purposefully inflated to create chaos and fear in this election year. But anyone who believes that it is a worldwide hoax is divorced of reason.

But the purposeful inflation to create chaos and fear over this latest common cold outbreak is in fact worldwide.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

I do believe the pandemic is purposefully inflated to create chaos and fear in this election year. But anyone who believes that it is a worldwide hoax is divorced of reason.

But the purposeful inflation to create chaos and fear over this latest common cold outbreak is in fact worldwide.

No. The purposeful inflation is an American thing that spread throughout the West as a consequence.

Other countries' governments overreact out of fear for being charged with not doing enough to protect their populations, not out of some Illuminati conspiracy to impose totalitarianism or to enrich elites.

Some countries have acted more rationally than others, but others acted out of an abundance of caution since so little is epidemiologically known about the virus, Covid-19, and the long term medical impact of the condition.

America still has enormous soft leadership in the world and many other countries take cues from us in crises. We also see this is the Leftist riots which started in the US. Those spread overseas and are continuing as of this writing in several places.