300 people dead after a Malaysian Airline Crash in Ukraine

[Jester]

1) This would be a dumb decision for Putin or the rebel forces to do. 2) USA and Ukraine have a lot more to gain from this incident. 3) It is easier to blame the russians for this travesty. 4) The fingers were being pointed at Russia as soon as the plane went down. 5) Mccain is crying war machine like he did with the false flag assad's army chemical weapon scandal.

This sums it up.

[Jester]

You mean they might have shot it down by accident, thinking it was a military transport?

OutWest, do you know any vets there in the Phils or elsewhere) who can review and give an opinion on this guy's analysis?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQ_8_KU ... dQ&index=4

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQ_8_KU ... dQ&index=4[/youtube]

[OutWest]

You mean they might have shot it down by accident, thinking it was a military transport?

OutWest, do you know any vets there in the Phils or elsewhere) who can review and give an opinion on this guy's analysis?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQ_8_KU ... dQ&index=4

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQ_8_KU ... dQ&index=4[/youtube]

Veterans of what? If you mean military vets as I assume, merely being a vet means little as far as ability as an analyst. The man in the video makes the statement "I don't believe in coincidences."
He thus brands himself as irrational from the get-go. He does not believe in coincidences? LOL
He is absurd. Most of human events are coincidence.

The job of an analyst is to winnow out those few events or patterns that set themselves subtly
apart from the overwhelming body of events that are in fact, mostly coincidence. The job of a conspirator is by nature to coordinate and execute events in such a way as to blend them within the camouflage afforded by the vast sea of coincidence.

The potential for this event is vastly overstated. Russia and the US are not going to war over such an event. This is not some kind of Gulf of Tonkin excuse to go to war with another nuclear power. This is most likely an accidental downing and at most, is a PR nightmare for Russia for a while.

[Jester]

OutWest, do you know any vets there in the Phils or elsewhere) who can review and give an opinion on this guy's analysis?

This is not some kind of Gulf of Tonkin excuse to go to war with another nuclear power.

You are assuming the answer without investigation.

The Donetsk rebels may have had the means to do the shootdown, but no motive, plus no criminal record.

The Ukrainians had both the motive and means to do the crime, but still no previous criminal record.

The U.S. had the motive, the means, PLUS a rap sheet of previous false flags, from Tonkin, to blaming the JFK assassination on a pro-Cuban lone shooter, to the (planned) Northwoods operation, to 9/11.

You don't get to ignore the prime suspect, skip examining the evidence, and just decide it was a coincidence.

[Cornfed]

On the bright side, apparently almost a third of the victims of the crash were HIV/AIDS researchers on their way to a conference. Since HIV and AIDS is of course a complete hoax, this is great news.

[Jester]

On the bright side, apparently almost a third of the victims of the crash were HIV/AIDS researchers on their way to a conference. Since HIV and AIDS is of course a complete hoax, this is great news.

Hunh?

Then why do people become skinny and die?

What kills off Africans, queers, and so many hemophiliacs back in the day?

[Cornfed]

What kills off Africans, queers, and so many hemophiliacs back in the day?

The usual stuff that kills off such people plus lethal poisons such as AZT.

[starchild5]

There is no such thing as coincidence...It was deliberate they choose MH17 on July17

Let's also remember TWA Flight 800 which also was blown up on July 17, 1996 off the coast of Long Island, NY. Numerous witnesses swore that they saw a missile come from the sea and bring the plane down. There are many videos online from eyewitnesses who describe in detail what they saw.

Yep..They have developed technologies that are so advance that things they do looks like Co-Incidence to humanity.

There is not a single human being on earth that did not had a co-incidence in his life...We all had it at some point in time...Which means as I write this...There are 1000s of co-incidences happening all over the world...for 7 billion humans to have a co-incidence in one life time..there must be 100s of co-incidences happening each day...which itself contradicts what Co-Incidences mean...

Man....People just do not realize who these guys really are....They could bend space, time travel...They Control CIA, Russia, Ukraine, world itself...Even the most out there "Conspiracy Theorist" is barely touching the surface of what THEY ARE....

[OutWest]

OutWest, do you know any vets there in the Phils or elsewhere) who can review and give an opinion on this guy's analysis?

This is not some kind of Gulf of Tonkin excuse to go to war with another nuclear power.

You are assuming the answer without investigation.

The Donetsk rebels may have had the means to do the shootdown, but no motive, plus no criminal record.

The Ukrainians had both the motive and means to do the crime, but still no previous criminal record.

The U.S. had the motive, the means, PLUS a rap sheet of previous false flags, from Tonkin, to blaming the JFK assassination on a pro-Cuban lone shooter, to the (planned) Northwoods operation, to 9/11.

You don't get to ignore the prime suspect, skip examining the evidence, and just decide it was a coincidence.

There are pockets of Ukrainian government control in Eastern Ukraine that can only be supplied
by air transport, as the Ukrainian government has been doing. If the rebels can cut off supply, they can to pressure these areas. Few things are totally positive, but the clearest and most obvious motive
would be for the rebels to down what they think is an air transport. I hear numerous accounts that the rebels were congratulating themselves for downing a military transport but reacted with horror when they learned of their mistake.

Here is a lucid and NOT DOGMATIC early analysis...always an intelligent sign early on with most events.

http://www.pecand.com/the-mh17-crash-ha ... ation-war/

You are assuming that it was a conspiracy. There is little evidence to evaluate at this point beyond informed speculation. The multiple component systems required to bring down a jet from this altitude
are not something that "operatives" can smuggle into a country. Rebel groups control this area and the "operatives" working there are from Russia, there to assist. Mistaken identity is the most likely suspect simply because all groups, even efficient ones, screw up on an ongoing basis. The urge to score a success against the Ukrainian government would be high, as Ukrainian forces have had a string of successes recently, obliterating large numbers of rebels. There is not evidence at this point that anyone wanted to down a civilian airliner.

[xiongmao]

I thought it was strange that my Air India flight flew over Afghanistan on the way back from Bangkok.

There are plenty of odd things about this new Malaysian crash. Like for such a long flight, it was flying at a fairly low altitude. When I've flown to Asia I'm pretty sure we fly at around 40,000ft.

[Mr.Darcy]

This is sickening! Our corrupt wall street government has just sacrificed 295 innocent civilians for a political crisis move. Yet, you have people falling for this lie and pointing fingers. Pointing fingers at russia is like throwing a person in a shark pit and blaming the the sharks for his death. They knew flying a plane directly over a war zone wasn't safe.

[Mr.Darcy]

I thought it was strange that my Air India flight flew over Afghanistan on the way back from Bangkok.

There are plenty of odd things about this new Malaysian crash. Like for such a long flight, it was flying at a fairly low altitude. When I've flown to Asia I'm pretty sure we fly at around 40,000ft.

I don't think the taliban posses advanced anti air craft weaponry.

[Jester]

This is sickening! Our corrupt wall street government has just sacrificed 295 innocent civilians for a political crisis move. Yet, you have people falling for this lie and pointing fingers. Pointing fingers at russia is like throwing a person in a shark pit and blaming the the sharks for his death. They knew flying a plane directly over a war zone wasn't safe.

This is the point.

[Jester]

There are pockets of Ukrainian government control in Eastern Ukraine that can only be supplied
by air transport, as the Ukrainian government has been doing. If the rebels can cut off supply, they can to pressure these areas. Few things are totally positive, but the clearest and most obvious motive
would be for the rebels to down what they think is an air transport. I hear numerous accounts that the rebels were congratulating themselves for downing a military transport but reacted with horror when they learned of their mistake.

Yes, of course, this makes sense.

Here is a lucid and NOT DOGMATIC early analysis...always an intelligent sign early on with most events.

Yes, good article, makes sense.

The actual shooting was PROBABLY done by the Donetsk rebels, probably as it should have been, since it was an apparently unauthorized (off-schedule) flight over their country in time of war.

Mistaken identity is the most likely suspect

You're right. When I suggested above that the US was a suspect in the shootdown, I mis-spoke. I should have said suggested that the U.S. DELIBERATELY SET UP the shootdown. And so we come back to this analysis, I would like any pilot or hobbyist reading this here to weigh in and tell us if this guy's analysis (below) makes sense. Was the Malaysian airliner positioned so as to draw fire?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQ_8_KU ... dQ&index=4
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQ_8_KU ... dQ&index=4[/youtube]

[C.J.]

Clearly a ploy for the satanist scum to try and out Russia, one of their biggest enemies to complete global saturation. The "investigation" and then having "clear evidence" that Russia was to blame was a clear giveaway, same trick they used in Libya. I doubt anyone important on their side even went to Ukraine.

History is becoming rather boring nowadays.