Shemp wrote: ↑January 18th, 2020, 10:54 am
I don't agree that all sexual encounters of Gods with humans were forcible rape, that was mostly Zeus and Mars. For example, Satan/Snake in the Bible used game (words) to seduce Eve. That wasn't a sexual encounter, however I'm sure there are myths where gods tempted human women using promises of beautiful jewelry to get the sex they wanted, which amounts to using a combination of game and money.
I only have high school reminiscences of Greek/Roman mythology but all I can recalls are cases of Olympus gods and second-tier divinities like Priapus or spirits like Fauns preying on young woman for lust.
As you probably know, women had low or no status in those ancient societies. Those men - divine or human - who wanted to have sex with a beautiful girl would usually marry them, or have them with force or other form of abuse. I don't think most of these men ever needed to offer precious gifts or use sophisticated language to reach their purposes.
The first major literary accounts of men who used eloquence and deception to get the favours of girls, usually girls of high value (very pretty and young, high-society or both) were published in the 18th century. Google "Giacomo Casanova" or "Giuseppe Balsamo Cagliostro". Both these men were from modest origins and used their intellectual qualities to seduce women, although it has been proved that Casanova's memoirs are partly fictional. Both these men were familiar with alchemy and esoteric matters, which made them no less the charlatans they were, but made their "arts" more believable. Balsamo was basically a master forger and his reputation in Europe quickly plunged once his former sponsors started to realise the scams.
Shemp wrote: ↑January 18th, 2020, 10:54 am
Anyway, the important thing is that the gods didn't care if the woman loved them or not, they simply wanted sex with her, by fair means or foul. And that's how I feel about my sugar baby and other young women. I don't care if these girls feel no physical attraction towards me. What matters is that I feel physical attraction to her and that she lets me do what I want to her body.
I don't find anything objectionable about paying a woman for her company or sex. I am not a bigot and I know P2P has its place in society and in a man's life. If I was horny and with no other women in sight, than those who wouldn't want to be with me by any other means, hell I would open my wallet and stop caring if these women like me for me or for my cash.
It's just two things, one is personal, the other is a more general statement. Personally, I am still at that stage in my life when I don't need to pay to have sex with anyone. It never happened once and I think I will never happen for many years.
The second one is that I believe that sugar daddying isn't a good way to build a genuine relationship with a woman. Perhaps it's because I am from Italy, where we cannot conceive a life without someone who genuinely cares about us, whether a mother, a sister, a wife or a friend. If I could choose between having a stable and loving relationship with a woman who will still be attractive and good in bed in her late 40s, and ending up alone with a pocket full of cash, ready to give it to random younger women who are only interested in a transaction, I would choose the first one, any time!
Women are naturally possessive, they don't like the idea of caring for a man who will split himself between her and other women. If your sugar babe or
@Contrarian Expatriate's allows you guys to do that, either she's a real kink or, as it's more likely, she doesn't have any feeling beyond that of joy as she flips through the banknotes.
Shemp wrote: ↑January 18th, 2020, 10:54 am
Also, women who aren't focused on money bore me. To me, sex without cash exchange feels like talking to an idiot. When I was young and dumb, I had sexual "relationshits" not involving money, but not interested now in repeating such stupidity. Money is always what I wanted most in life, so I can only feel close to and respect for women who feel the same way.
I don't know how old you are now
@Shemp, I assume you're closer in age to CE than to me. Maybe when you were young you entered meaningless relationships with women, with lukewarm feelings and little or no passion. I would, too, regret entertaining those kinds of relationships. They are a waste of your time and hers.
Personally I would never compromise: either a girl has all of what I am looking for, or she would be just a f*ck buddy or a friend, or both.
Times have changed since your younger years and girls are now much more open to non-committal relationships. If they enjoy sex with you, they are usually the first to want both the fun and pleasure of sex and the freedom to walk away without any commitment.
In my 5 years between London and Malta, I never had to promise a girl a relationship to sleep with her. In fact most of the times, in London, I knew that posing as the serious man looking for eternal love would have just spoiled my chances to have fun with her. Maltese girls are very conservative but, fortunately, there is a vibrant expat scene including lots of seasonal workers from Eastern Europe, Italy and Greece, Morocco and Turkey, etc. These girls know they only have 6 months on the island and are open to having casual fun.
Finally, I think you are confusing women who are money savvy, or like making and managing money, with women who would only have sex for money. They are two completely different things. Finances are an important part of life and I, too, would be put off by a woman who, by her own admission, doesn't want to touch money, perhaps delegating everything to her man. I wouldn't like that, either.
Yet, saying that sex without cash exchange is the only thing that defines a smart woman, is frankly going too far. Are you implying that, if a girl is smart, she should always want some sort of "cashback" or reward for giving you sex? I would happily leave those "smarties" to someone else. I prefer a girl who is good looking and loves sex. Then, of course, if I feel particularly generous or attached I could always give her something, or take her to taste my cuisine, or someone else's...